how many folks here derrive majority of their

[Winetalk.com]

I see that more and more claims made on Oprano about significance of NON porn related income,
time to tally it up

[Vick]

Shamefully admiting

over 50%

[JoesHO]

under 50% at this point, :D

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 17 2004, 01:04 PM
under 50% at this point, :D
is that because
1) your porn income dropped
2) your non porn income have risen?

[Doctor Dre]

I have started a non porn business with my porn money ... I do printing / design and got couple guys now ... My porn icome is probably 10-15 % right now .

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre@Jul 17 2004, 01:22 PM
I have started a non porn business with my porn money ... I do printing / design and got couple guys now ... My porn icome is probably 10-15 % right now .
I have seen your work it is good.

[Mike AI]

It is still over 50% for me as well. Even with the growth of PureCash, it is still going down every year. I am fortunate to have made some nice investments that are paying off very well.

[Hell Puppy]

For me at least, it used to be that non-porn was fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things and merely there for diversification. It was funded by porn which was high growth and high return.

Porn is still the larger contributor, but the growth is a lot easier for non-porn although still nothing like the boom we saw with porn from 97-99. Meanwhile you have to work 10 times as hard as you used to just to maintain the porn income at the it's current level. To get any significant growth requires major time and money investment.

Now that's not to say porn is a dead business, far from it. However, the days of making huge money with little work or skill and huge margins are gone. Those who can manage it like a business will survive and probably ultimately flourish. Those who were here because they're basically unqualified to do much of anything else in the world, and those who got used to hellacious margins and failed to adjust will likely fail.

The shake out period we're in now is going to be toughest because you've got so many people scamming their ass off to try to get that last dollar of the easy money. Plus some of the big players are bound and determined to go out in a blaze of glory and see how much cash they can grab via any means possible before the music stops for them.

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 17 2004, 10:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 17 2004, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jul 17 2004, 01:04 PM
under 50% at this point, :D
is that because
1) your porn income dropped
2) your non porn income have risen? [/b][/quote]
Porn has never been the significant source of income for me yet.
The good news is though I keep steadily increasing.

[MissMinaBBW]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre@Jul 17 2004, 10:22 AM
I have started a non porn business with my porn money ... I do printing / design and got couple guys now ... My porn icome is probably 10-15 % right now .
Can I see some samples of your work please? Do you do logos and t shirts etc or what?

[cj]

It depends what is considered porn ....

I like the area in between porn and mainstream ... NAUGHTY

I'm not trying to get out of porn, I'm just trying to use the same skills to produce a higher quality product that can (has and will) be publicized in mainstream media, where the REAL traffic is.

Its the best of both worlds ... mainstream traffic and adult conversions ...

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 17 2004, 10:29 PM
I'm not trying to get out of porn, I'm just trying to use the same skills to produce a higher quality product that can (has and will) be publicized in mainstream media, where the REAL traffic is.

Its the best of both worlds ... mainstream traffic and adult conversions ...
/me puts duct tape over CJ

[XXXPhoto]

*giggles* watching drav try to pull a full roll of duct tape outta his ass...

/me tries different approach... "CJ, you look very nice today dear...
um... would you mind terribly if I put this cat back in the bag?"

[CuriousToyBoy]

115% porn. Well the sex industry anyway.

That includes the 15% on my investments across the board.

And before you hit "REPLY" Serge (or others) - YES, conservative investing these days, I have a family to consider :-)

As our Curious Cash business is growing so is our ROI, our per member yield and profit and our cost/profit indicators.

We are expanding constantly in different areas, but the sex/adult industry is what we know and we do it well.

In chaos there lies opportunity

:ph34r:

[cj]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Jul 18 2004, 04:18 AM
*giggles* watching drav try to pull a full roll of duct tape outta his ass...

/me tries different approach... "CJ, you look very nice today dear...
um... would you mind terribly if I put this cat back in the bag?"
yeah cause nobody ever thought of that before I mentioned it :rolleyes:

just like nobody ever thought of coming up with an 'alternative to credit cards' until someone said on a board 'oh my theres money in alternative processing and nobody else is doing it' - now look around at how many half assed billing solutions are available that think they are the answer to all of our billing problems. I can't tell you how many times I heard "We've got this great thing 'coming up' that we can't talk about but it will replace Visa." Blah blah blah

one thing i've learned about ideas is they don't mean dick ... a good idea implemented poorly will always lose to a bad idea implemented well.

If you need examples, look at Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw's entire business model.

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 18 2004, 09:11 PM
One thing i've learned about ideas is they don't mean dick ... a good idea implemented poorly will always lose to a bad idea implemented well.
Wise words those.

Funny thing CJ, I hit send on my email like 2 minutes before opening Oprano.

:ph34r:

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 18 2004, 03:11 AM
one thing i've learned about ideas is they don't mean dick ... a good idea implemented poorly will always lose to a bad idea implemented well.
Oprano needs a 'pearl' smilie... nicely put CJ... :okthumb:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto+Jul 18 2004, 10:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (XXXPhoto @ Jul 18 2004, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jul 18 2004, 03:11 AM
one thing i've learned about ideas is they don't mean dick ... a good idea implemented poorly will always lose to a bad idea implemented well.
Oprano needs a 'pearl' smilie... nicely put CJ... :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
Yeah definately a pearl....

[grimm]

I can say at this time, i have no direct adult income, except that derived from indirect sources. IE domains, hosting.

All of my income is of a non adult variety. Though that may change in the very near future.

[pushpills]

It's about an even 50/50 here.

[Jim_Gunn]

Almost 100% porn for me. Even the non-hardcore work I do like the men's penile health product commercial I am filming and editing next week is usually tangentially related to the sex biz.

[grimm]

How do you look at the results of the poll after you have already voted?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by grimm@Jul 18 2004, 06:28 PM
How do you look at the results of the poll after you have already voted?
It should just show up at top.

[grimm]

It was just that nobody was voting:)

[brand0n]

ive been making alot more off my non adult related sites here recently. :)

[JoesHO]

I am thinking about trying to find a way to sell images I have shot, when I hike and stuff, to like a clip art place or something, I mean I take the pics anyway, even for my own hobby, and enjoyment so why not look for a place to sell them too, does anyone know of such a place? or know anyone doing such a thing?

[Winetalk.com]

SSS, inc dividends this year: $15,000
very small %% compared to tax free municipals income
;-)))

I like 'em tax free
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 18 2004, 09:22 PM
I am thinking about trying to find a way to sell images I have shot, when I hike and stuff, to like a clip art place or something, I mean I take the pics anyway, even for my own hobby, and enjoyment so why not look for a place to sell them too, does anyone know of such a place? or know anyone doing such a thing?
There was a guy on PCBBS who was selling nature prints on Ebay. You could try there :) Or if your town has fairs or flea markets, those are popular places to sell also.

[cj]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 18 2004, 08:22 PM
I am thinking about trying to find a way to sell images I have shot, when I hike and stuff, to like a clip art place or something, I mean I take the pics anyway, even for my own hobby, and enjoyment so why not look for a place to sell them too, does anyone know of such a place? or know anyone doing such a thing?
yes ...

the big stock agencies are hard to get to accept pics though - every tom dick and harry with a digital camera thinks his/her pics are publishing quality .... but they aren't. with your internet marketing skills, you'd be just as well off building your own stock cd's and selling them.

interesting numbers in the poll - it looks like almost everyone has diversified into something non adult that they either were doing before porn or a hobby they have done on the side ...

maybe its just because we've learned it doesn't matter how much money a career can make you if you don't enjoy what you are doing on a daily basis ...

[masterp74]

Originally posted by cj+Jul 18 2004, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jul 18 2004, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jul 18 2004, 08:22 PM
I am thinking about trying to find a way to sell images I have shot, when I hike and stuff, to like a clip art place or something, I mean I take the pics anyway, even for my own hobby, and enjoyment so why not look for a place to sell them too, does anyone know of such a place? or know anyone doing such a thing?
yes ...

the big stock agencies are hard to get to accept pics though - every tom dick and harry with a digital camera thinks his/her pics are publishing quality .... but they aren't. with your internet marketing skills, you'd be just as well off building your own stock cd's and selling them.

interesting numbers in the poll - it looks like almost everyone has diversified into something non adult that they either were doing before porn or a hobby they have done on the side ...

maybe its just because we've learned it doesn't matter how much money a career can make you if you don't enjoy what you are doing on a daily basis ... [/b][/quote]
cj, I'm gonna be working on this for the next 48 hours and get it out. there are over 300 props I have to put up. I have 6 done. :matey:



http://celebrityprops.blogspot.com/


tell me what you think. it's gonna be big.

[cj]

:okthumb: :okthumb: :okthumb:

I think great concept!!!!

If I may make a suggestion while you are building, www.nudebritishcelebs.com is converting well and we have exclusive content of many page 3 girls ... much less hassle than the A list celebs, so if you need filler to make it look like a 'bigger' site, I recommend using these - ie, glamour models, nude models, fhm girls etc. You are welcome to take the pics from the tour, just let me know when you are done so I can make note of it.

similar concept using 'Will these wannabe models ever make it in the real celeb world ...'

or ...

how many boyfriends will Jordan have by 2005
how many magazine covers will Jodie Marsh appear on my 2005

that kinda thing ...

:okthumb:

[cj]

also ... http://www.hunkycelebs.com/hollywood_hunks

How much money will Johnny Depp's next movie, The Libertine or Finding Neverland, make at the box office?

How many different suits will George Clooney wear in the upcoming Oceans 12?

We get a lot of onset pics from movies that are filmed in Europe ... so stuff about movies is going to match really well

[kath]

Well.... mine is exactly 50/50 at this point, but I do have some other things "in the works" not-ready-for-prime-time yet that will hopefully catapult things to at least 75 (non-industry)/25 (industry-related) income.

Looking to build up that mainstream end of things again... I've forgotten my roots....

:blink:

[Almighty Colin]

Follow up question. Where are half of you earning your income?

Anyone into franchises?

[spazlabz]

100% porn income for both my wife and I.
Oh and for the record, I am proud of that fact even with the 'challenges' that go along with this business. Not only do I think the on line porn industry serves a very useful purpose (for hardons with credit cards), I also think it is the best medium ever created for educating the masses and opening eyes and minds about the entire realm of human sexuality. I also think if it could be used properly it could exspose those who wish to stiffle other peoples sexual freedom (meaning consenting adults here) for being the bigots that they are.
so there :P
LOL


spaz :matey:

[LadyMischief]

We've been making our income from porn for many years now full time... We are now diversifying a bit more, but the bulk always has been and probably will continue to be adult. I'd eventually like to go back to training horses, but at this point in time I'm too busy with kids and whatnot as well.

[Jesse_DD]

Was surprised to see the numbers fairly even. My goal over the next 5 years is to get my porn income = non porn income (and non Internet for that matter) - Mostly via real estate.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Jul 19 2004, 06:43 AM
100% porn income for both my wife and I.
Oh and for the record, I am proud of that fact even with the 'challenges' that go along with this business. Not only do I think the on line porn industry serves a very useful purpose (for hardons with credit cards), I also think it is the best medium ever created for educating the masses and opening eyes and minds about the entire realm of human sexuality. I also think if it could be used properly it could exspose those who wish to stiffle other peoples sexual freedom (meaning consenting adults here) for being the bigots that they are.
so there :P
LOL


spaz :matey:
Spaz, I think you missed the point....

let me quote Emperor Vespasian after he instigated tax for public toilets in Rome:
"Money don't smell"
;-)))

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 19 2004, 07:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 19 2004, 07:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-spazlabz@Jul 19 2004, 06:43 AM
100% porn income for both my wife and I.
Oh and for the record, I am proud of that fact even with the 'challenges' that go along with this business. Not only do I think the on line porn industry serves a very useful purpose (for hardons with credit cards), I also think it is the best medium ever created for educating the masses and opening eyes and minds about the entire realm of human sexuality. I also think if it could be used properly it could exspose those who wish to stiffle other peoples sexual freedom (meaning consenting adults here) for being the bigots that they are.
so there :P
LOL


spaz :matey:
Spaz, I think you missed the point....

let me quote Emperor Vespasian after he instigated tax for public toilets in Rome:
"Money don't smell"
;-))) [/b][/quote]
Serge, I don't doubt I missed the point. In fact I think sometimes its the rare occassion when i get the point heh heh.
So could someone hold my hand and tell me what I missed because i went blathering on and on about Freedom this and proud that and seemed to yet again make a rather sizeable ass of myself :yowsa:

getting used to it tho


spaz :matey:

[Nickatilynx]

spaz,

I am not here to spread the word of BDSM or any other lifestyle choice.

I am not a fucking crusader.

I am here for money.

If I can make more money selling , gambling , pharma , widgets , golf clubs , whatever , I am not going to be involved in adult at all.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 19 2004, 08:19 AM
spaz,

I am not here to spread the word of BDSM or any other lifestyle choice.

I am not a fucking crusader.

I am here for money.

If I can make more money selling , gambling , pharma , widgets , golf clubs , whatever , I am not going to be involved in adult at all.
OOOOHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh
that's the point i missed? Ok yeah, but welding, land clearing, factory work and adult is all i know...........and I have made much more money with fuck vids then anything else :D


spaz :matey:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Jul 19 2004, 10:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Jul 19 2004, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 19 2004, 07:06 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-spazlabz@Jul 19 2004, 06:43 AM
100% porn income for both my wife and I.
Oh and for the record, I am proud of that fact even with the 'challenges' that go along with this business. Not only do I think the on line porn industry serves a very useful purpose (for hardons with credit cards), I also think it is the best medium ever created for educating the masses and opening eyes and minds about the entire realm of human sexuality. I also think if it could be used properly it could exspose those who wish to stiffle other peoples sexual freedom (meaning consenting adults here) for being the bigots that they are.
so there :P
LOL


spaz :matey:
Spaz, I think you missed the point....

let me quote Emperor Vespasian after he instigated tax for public toilets in Rome:
"Money don't smell"
;-)))
Serge, I don't doubt I missed the point. In fact I think sometimes its the rare occassion when i get the point heh heh.
So could someone hold my hand and tell me what I missed because i went blathering on and on about Freedom this and proud that and seemed to yet again make a rather sizeable ass of myself :yowsa:

getting used to it tho


spaz :matey: [/b][/quote]
Spaz...

The message is always the same on Oprano ..[besides fuck you]
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!