Interesting article

[Peaches]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA...le.asp?ID=14249 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14249)

Discuss

[Winetalk.com]

I'll be flying 20 flights over the next 3 months...very unnerving, indeed.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 16 2004, 03:15 PM
I'll be flying 20 flights over the next 3 months...very unnerving, indeed.
Yes, this pussyfooting around because we don't want to "profile" anyone is just nuts. :unsure:

[PornoDoggy]

Unholy Trinity
By Lowell Ponte
A leftwing conspiracy is destroying black children

French Schools - Islamist Lessons
By Stephen Brown
Islamist offensive subverts France's education system

"Anti-Racism": the Mailed Fist of Multiculturalism
By Lawrence Auster
Radicals have created a lethal weapon with which to strike America -- and to perpetrate their own form of racist hate.

Yeah ... worries the fuck out of me too. Worries the fuck out of me that ANYONE could possibly take a piece published someplace like that remotely seriously.

Note - they let niggers, spics, wops, kikes, nips, gooks, and various and sundry other mud-people on airlines too.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 02:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Jul 16 2004, 03:15 PM
I'll be flying 20 flights over the next 3 months...very unnerving, indeed.
Yes, this pussyfooting around because we don't want to "profile" anyone is just nuts. :unsure: [/b][/quote]
this will be changed, but not before the next attack.
Half measures don't work.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jul 16 2004, 03:25 PM
Yeah ... worries the fuck out of me too. Worries the fuck out of me that ANYONE could possibly take a piece published someplace like that remotely seriously.

Note - they let niggers, spics, wops, kikes, nips, gooks, and various and sundry other mud-people on airlines too.
Actually, the article is from http://www.womenswallstreet.com/ but you knew that because you read the article, right? :awinky:

I must have missed all the times members of the groups you mentioned have stated publically the are going to kill Americans.
:unsure:

[PornoDoggy]

Yes, Mizz Peaches ma'am, I read the article.

I don't care where else she writes - the fact that her writing appears on such an obviously biased site tells me a great deal about the author. The news I listen to most days from "Reshet Alef" is less biased.

I found a number of things in it questionable (flight crew informing a passenger that Air Marshalls were aboard the plane; the illiteration that a law enforcement official was standing by with "14 Syrian passports in his hand", for example).

What proof, aside from the author's paranoia (if not bigotry), do you have that the 14 individuals are part of any group that "have stated publically the are going to kill Americans"?

The first thing I thought of as I read the article were the med students who scared the fuck out of some ignorant cracker (and managed to get onto the national news) when the woman wouldn't stop staring at them.

Really ... if you are going to post tripe like that, you shouild at least have put your original post in proper Oprano fahsion. Something like:

Fucking Ragheads
Scaring The White Women
Plotting With Anti-Zionists And McDonalds Too
Ariticle: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA...le.asp?ID=14249
Discuss.

[Weg Cory]

Before I'm labeled a racial profiler or -- worse yet -- a racist, let me add this. A month ago I traveled to India to research a magazine article I was writing. My husband and I flew on a jumbo jet carrying more than 300 Hindu and Muslim men and women on board. We traveled throughout the country and stayed in a Muslim village 10 miles outside Pakistan. I never once felt fearful. I never once felt unsafe. I never once had the feeling that anyone wanted to hurt me. This time was different.




I hate Mexican bus boys but I played basketball with a black guy today so it is all good.

I am not expressing an opinion over the "content," but I will say that the article was poorly written. She needs to make a commitment to an agenda.

You either are profiling or you are not. Her descriptions of people's demeanors seemed to leave unaccounted for the fact that a plane was flying them. Many people's perceptions change with additional anxiety.

Just my thoughts, and yes, I have taken into account the fact that I am not smart enough for Oprano.

[masterp74]

they were all doing lines of coke in the bathroom.



that's all

[Peaches]

Originally posted by WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 04:59 PM
I hate Mexican bus boys but I played basketball with a black guy today so it is all good.
More like "I have 100's of Mexican friends, but after one of them killed my best friend with an axe in a Pinto and his friends vowed THEY would kill me too, I'm a little suspicous of Mexicans with axes in Pintos". :awinky:

What would YOU have done if you were one of the people on that plane? Clearly she and her husband were NOT the only ones concerned.

I read an account of a situation, not any particular "agenda" except stating the simple fact that we're all aware of: America's Politial Correctness CAN be a dangerous thing. And from what I could tell, she wanted to alert people to be aware of their surroundings. Not a bad thing, IMHO.

Think about it - if ONLY white short pudgy middle aged blonde women were threatening in public to kill Americans with grocery carts AND had already done so, don't you think people would be eying me funny in the grocery stores? :D

[DrGuile]

Since, according to the article: "None of this was reported anywhere" The fact checking is obviously very limited.

The story offers good food for thoughts, but I wouldnt put the Vulcan DeathGrip on Islamic people who go to the bathroom on a plane as soon as I see them just yet...

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 01:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 04:59 PM
I hate Mexican bus boys but I played basketball with a black guy today so it is all good.
More like "I have 100's of Mexican friends, but after one of them killed my best friend with an axe in a Pinto and his friends vowed THEY would kill me too, I'm a little suspicous of Mexicans with axes in Pintos". :awinky:

What would YOU have done if you were one of the people on that plane? Clearly she and her husband were NOT the only ones concerned.

I read an account of a situation, not any particular "agenda" except stating the simple fact that we're all aware of: America's Politial Correctness CAN be a dangerous thing. And from what I could tell, she wanted to alert people to be aware of their surroundings. Not a bad thing, IMHO.

Think about it - if ONLY white short pudgy middle aged blonde women were threatening in public to kill Americans with grocery carts AND had already done so, don't you think people would be eying me funny in the grocery stores? :D [/b][/quote]
Two things come to mind for me:

1) I was actually commenting on her piece of writing. She made that statement, yet tried to sell an idea that was in conflict of that statement. I never gave my opinion on what she "tried" to say. Maybe I agree? How could you interpret that I did not? But you can't all out say it then make a declaration that she is somehow detached from a tainted belief.

Have guts, say it.

Her Thesis seems to be inspired by a challenge on Civil Liberties vs. US Safety, by selecting men of arabic decent and searching them more frequently / thoroughly. Yet she is not suggesting racial profiling? She is somehow cleansed?

C+

2) This is a far deeper issue than most people realize. We seem to simplify it by saying "pat down those arabs" and the world is naturally safer. The skewing of civil liberties is a slippery slope that includes the potential for disaster. History has taught us a lot.

Now, before I am attacked, please keep in mind that I am simply raising points that should not be interpreted as my opinion either way on an agenda, but more an opinion over the concept of thinking things through. Some changes could send waves through our civil liberties. That change could effect your rights.

She told a story that seemed to reveal that she is possibly uptight, more than it did to indict Arabs.

[DrGuile]

What the extremist really need, is a few white or asian people.

Boy, with all the profiling done, seems crackers like me dont get much attention going on planes.

Next time you see that 8 year old white kid playing a gameboy, try and see if he's really playing a game, or if the screen is actually displaying a timer... slowly ticking down to zero


tik...


tik...


tik...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jul 16 2004, 06:10 PM
Since, according to the article: "None of this was reported anywhere" The fact checking is obviously very limited.

The story offers good food for thoughts, but I wouldnt put the Vulcan DeathGrip on Islamic people who go to the bathroom on a plane as soon as I see them just yet...
Who would have reported it? The airline certainly isn't going to do it! Seems to me if these men felt they were unfairly detained and treating wrong, they would have been all over the media crying "foul". They weren't. THAT'S what strikes me as odd..........

[Rolo]

Reminds me of 3 months after 9/11, I was flying with two of our programmers from the US to Europe, and there were alot of arabic people with the flight... now at first we joked that we better prepare - in a good tone, but the more we talked about it, the more likely it seamed... one of the programmers was getting a bit paranoid, and started to count how many they were and where they went... it seamed like it was a large group of 16 males aged 20-40, and they were not seated close to eachother, so they would go back and forward to talk.
Now the paranoid thoughts started to spread to all three of us, and we were seriously talking about when they would make their move, and what we should do... between the US and Europe there is just water, and with 9/11 still fresh in our minds, then we were sure that they would take over the plane, once we got to the UK, and then crash the plane into London. The monitor in the flight showed our route, and the closer we came to the UK, the more our thoughts started playing with us... and just with 5 mins away from London 6-8 of the arabic guys did another round of going back/forward between their seats - I remember in that moment I was fully convinced that this was it, but something unexpected happen - they just did the same as before - they didn´t turn into terrorists, they just did as they had done many times before. We got off the plane, and have laughed about since, however I´m not sure that my mind won´t play tricks with me in a similar situation.

Sure their actions were odd, however most of the things going on in our heads were made by ourself, inspired by 9/11... that was when I learned that terror is message, which will always be with us, and that Osama had made me loose faith in young arabic males - the ones he needs to recruit... and my thoughts would only make it more easy for Osama, because the young arabic males would feel alienated from me and the rest of us, if we started to listen to all of our thoughts - even when they got paranoid.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 06:22 PM
She told a story that seemed to reveal that she is possibly uptight, more than it did to indict Arabs.
"My husband immediately walked to the first class section to talk with the flight attendant. "I might be overreacting, but I've been watching some really suspicious things.…" Before he could finish his statement, the flight attendant pulled him into the galley. In a quiet voice she explained that they were all concerned about what was going on. The captain was aware. The flight attendants were passing notes to each other. She said that there were people on board "higher up than you and me watching the men." "

"I have since learned that the representatives of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), the Federal Air Marshals (FAM), and the Transportation Security Association (TSA) met our plane as it landed. Several men -- who I presume were the federal air marshals on board -- hurried off the plane and directed the 14 men over to the side."

Lot of "uptight" people on that plane and in the airport! :awinky:

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 02:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 06:22 PM
She told a story that seemed to reveal that she is possibly uptight, more than it did to indict Arabs.
"My husband immediately walked to the first class section to talk with the flight attendant. "I might be overreacting, but I've been watching some really suspicious things.…" Before he could finish his statement, the flight attendant pulled him into the galley. In a quiet voice she explained that they were all concerned about what was going on. The captain was aware. The flight attendants were passing notes to each other. She said that there were people on board "higher up than you and me watching the men." "

"I have since learned that the representatives of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), the Federal Air Marshals (FAM), and the Transportation Security Association (TSA) met our plane as it landed. Several men -- who I presume were the federal air marshals on board -- hurried off the plane and directed the 14 men over to the side."

Lot of "uptight" people on that plane and in the airport! :awinky: [/b][/quote]
What type of jet was this?

I wonder if there were any other passengers?

If you speak to Gabe, can you tell him to bring his bus tray down to my office? I have some trash that needs taken out.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 06:42 PM
What type of jet was this?

I wonder if there were any other passengers?

If you speak to Gabe, can you tell him to bring his bus tray down to my office? I have some trash that needs taken out.
It was a 757: In Detroit no one checked who we were or what we carried on board a 757 jet liner bound for American's largest metropolis.Seriously, did you READ the article?? :unsure:

You're 20 feet from Gabe and I'm more than 2000 miles from him - tell him yourself :awinky:

[PornoDoggy]

Lawdy, Mizz Peaches, I haz no doubts dat some o de white womens be skeered. Why Lawdamitey, I jest don unerstand why the biasedliberalmedia wouldn't be all over a story like that, no ma'am I don.

'Course, Mizz Peaches, you change a plane to a bus and dem sand niggers to some good ole fashioned 'merikin niggers, you can hear de same ting. Change de bus to a streetcorner and change de niggers to some bean-eaters, and again, you got de same ting.

Some day us mud people gotta git educated on howz not to upsets de white folks. Yes ma'am ... dats just what wez gotta do.

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 03:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 06:42 PM
What type of jet was this?

I wonder if there were any other passengers?

If you speak to Gabe, can you tell him to bring his bus tray down to my office? I have some trash that needs taken out.
It was a 757: In Detroit no one checked who we were or what we carried on board a 757 jet liner bound for American's largest metropolis.Seriously, did you READ the article?? :unsure:

You're 20 feet from Gabe and I'm more than 2000 miles from him - tell him yourself :awinky: [/b][/quote]
It was sarcasm, think about the fact that the plane had more passengers on it than were interviewed. Not everyone requires xanax to fly. I realize that I am not Oprano smart, but some of you may well be surprised to know that with all my dumb ole' support of civil liberties, I have read a few books in my time.

I need to figure out the cost of this trade show for Mike, does anyone know of a good asian?

[Weg Cory]

I love the fact that a woman wrote this.

The awe inspiring.

I hope her husband buys her a brand new mop for her birthday.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jul 16 2004, 07:11 PM
Lawdy, Mizz Peaches, I haz no doubts dat some o de white womens be skeered. Why Lawdamitey, I jest don unerstand why the biasedliberalmedia wouldn't be all over a story like that, no ma'am I don.

'Course, Mizz Peaches, you change a plane to a bus and dem sand niggers to some good ole fashioned 'merikin niggers, you can hear de same ting. Change de bus to a streetcorner and change de niggers to some bean-eaters, and again, you got de same ting.

Some day us mud people gotta git educated on howz not to upsets de white folks. Yes ma'am ... dats just what wez gotta do.
Yeah, PD, I'm sure there aren't ANY places in this world you won't go to or send your daughters to because of who lives there. :awinky:

I know you'd be more than happy if one of your daughters said she was going for a stroll alone in the middle of the night like I do many times in my neighborhood, but on a street in the slums filled with prostitutes, pimps and crackhouses. No need to be careful or carry protection because not EVERYONE there is bad and it's just not fair to paint them all with the same brush. Of course you'd let her because there are some GOOD people who live there too and it's a shame to profile a neighborhood like that! :lol:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 07:15 PM
It was sarcasm, think about the fact that the plane had more passengers on it than were interviewed. Not everyone requires xanax to fly. I realize that I am not Oprano smart, but some of you may well be surprised to know that with all my dumb ole' support of civil liberties, I have read a few books in my time.

I need to figure out the cost of this trade show for Mike, does anyone know of a good asian?
You made a silly comment saying she was uptight and I gave you facts that showed if she was uptight, so were a whole slew of other people :) I like facts, not innuendos - so sue me :P

Greg's usually available if you're looking for an AZN twink, but he might under contract with Brad and MFM for this show. :(

[Peaches]

Originally posted by WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 07:21 PM
I love the fact that a woman wrote this.

The awe inspiring.

I hope her husband buys her a brand new mop for her birthday.
Would that be the husband who seems to be even more "uptight" than his wife?: When I returned to my seat I was unable to assure my husband that all was well. B)

What's funny is the board I read this link on is having a similar debate, but the liberals are at least using facts and the article itself for their arguments. :( They're still getting reamed though :awinky:

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 16 2004, 03:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 16 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-WEGCashCory@Jul 16 2004, 07:21 PM
I love the fact that a woman wrote this.

The awe inspiring.

I hope her husband buys her a brand new mop for her birthday.
Would that be the husband who seems to be even more "uptight" than his wife?: When I returned to my seat I was unable to assure my husband that all was well. B)

What's funny is the board I read this link on is having a similar debate, but the liberals are at least using facts and the article itself for their arguments. :( They're still getting reamed though :awinky: [/b][/quote]
Seriously?

Women have long been discriminated against. Her writing this is hypocritical. But funny all the same.

Liberals are getting torn up because you do not agree with them. This is a low level article that undermines everything our country was built on. She is telling a story. It is a decent story. You attacked me for attacking her writing style more than anything, but if you want to bump this up to the level that she should be nominated for some journalism award, go ahead.

If you want to do some reading for learning, I suggest this.

In fact, please tell me how you feel about this.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is not time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.

Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy.

Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice.

Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

Now is the time to make justice a reality to all of God's children.

[Peaches]

OK, Smartypants, just for shits and grins let's say she wrote like a 4 year old :) That doesn't make the event go away.

At this point, young middle eastern men, traveling together, with foreign passports, have flown planes into buildings and killed people. And they are saying they will do it again. WHY NOT check them more strigently at the airport? Please explain to me why going through this group's bags, checking their passports against lists we all know the feds keep, checking their person more carefully BEFORE they got on the plane is such a violation of these non-citizen's rights. :awinky:

[PornoDoggy]

Sigh.

Where did I say that I think everyone is nice? Where did I say that think I think my daughters would be safe in any given neighborhood?

On airliners in particular, Arabs have ALWAYS made people nervous since the 70s. Haven't had to fly anywhere since 9/11, but I have no doubt that I would be aware of every [remotely] Arabic looking person on the plane myself. The fact of the matter is that a group of young male [insert any random ethnic group here] makes certain people nervous as hell. Everything I read in the article suggests that this was exactly what took place.

What makes you think they AREN'T doing a better job of screening people on airlines today, aside from the fact that this author and her husband were worried by the conduct of a bunch of Arabs armed with, from the sounds of things, a McDonalds bag, some flutes, and 14 Syrian passports that the FBI let her see (along with, apparently, their ticket information)?

You posted a link to an piece that, IMHO, contains less factual information than a typical cut & paste by Meni. It may have been from another publication, but the original site you linked to is about as unbiased toward Arabs as "The History Of The Jewish Race" by Heinrich Himler and Joseph Gobels.

Besides ... I doubt very serioulsy the next attack will be in the air. While the government and half the people in America are studying the skies, I suspect they'll jam it up our asses.

[OldJeff]

On airliners in particular, Arabs have ALWAYS made people nervous since the 70s. Haven't had to fly anywhere since 9/11

I guess since I never really paid attention, prior to 9/11 I could not have told you if there were purple people on any flight I have been on. (I am always too busy worrying about good old fashion mechanical failure.)

But after 9/11 I absolutely look, almost ashamed to admit it, but the fact remains the hijackers were Arab, the people dancing in the streets on 9/11 were Arab.

Of course we sure as hell showed those Afghannis and Iraqies whats what for what those Saudis did on 9/11 huh

What makes you think they AREN'T doing a better job of screening people on airlines today

For me it would be what I see when I fly, since you stated that you have not flown since 9/11 I would say go to the airport.

Lets see - you have to take off your shoes unless your wearing sneakers because explosives could not possibly be hidden in a sneaker :blink:

ID and tickets are checked when going into the gates area, but not when boarding the flights, because no one could possibly enter any of the 200 doors in a couple hundred thousand square foot area, nor could they switch tickets with anyone else, or steal them from other passengers. After all ther are at least 2 or 3 security guards patroling :unsure:

Al Queda has publicly stated they would make more airline attack attempts, since they are an almost all Arabic, Muslim groups, and since all the Hijackers of 9/11 were Arabic. It makes perfect sense that there should be no suspicion cast on Arabic people flying in large groups.

If you tell the average person (read airport screener) that they need to be careful to not racially profile anyone under threat of losing their job and or being sued. That average person will take great measure to AVOID looking with suspicion at anyone of the ethnicity that they are fearfull will claim profiling.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Jul 17 2004, 07:10 AM
On airliners in particular, Arabs have ALWAYS made people nervous since the 70s. Haven't had to fly anywhere since 9/11

I guess since I never really paid attention, prior to 9/11 I could not have told you if there were purple people on any flight I have been on. (I am always too busy worrying about good old fashion mechanical failure.)

But after 9/11 I absolutely look, almost ashamed to admit it, but the fact remains the hijackers were Arab, the people dancing in the streets on 9/11 were Arab.

Of course we sure as hell showed those Afghannis and Iraqies whats what for what those Saudis did on 9/11 huh

What makes you think they AREN'T doing a better job of screening people on airlines today

For me it would be what I see when I fly, since you stated that you have not flown since 9/11 I would say go to the airport.

Lets see - you have to take off your shoes unless your wearing sneakers because explosives could not possibly be hidden in a sneaker :blink:

ID and tickets are checked when going into the gates area, but not when boarding the flights, because no one could possibly enter any of the 200 doors in a couple hundred thousand square foot area, nor could they switch tickets with anyone else, or steal them from other passengers. After all ther are at least 2 or 3 security guards patroling :unsure:

Al Queda has publicly stated they would make more airline attack attempts, since they are an almost all Arabic, Muslim groups, and since all the Hijackers of 9/11 were Arabic. It makes perfect sense that there should be no suspicion cast on Arabic people flying in large groups.

If you tell the average person (read airport screener) that they need to be careful to not racially profile anyone under threat of losing their job and or being sued. That average person will take great measure to AVOID looking with suspicion at anyone of the ethnicity that they are fearfull will claim profiling.
I'm glad SOMEONE else finally feels the same way I do :) Which is odd because you and I are usually on opposite ends of things like this :awinky:

[Weg Cory]

There is a large difference between profiling someone as a supsect to a potential crime and destruction of civil liberties.

Read the article again. That is her point is it not?

[Torone]

This is gonna pi** off a few people; but I seem to remember that the people trying to kill us pretty generally all come from the same place and practice the same religion...

I say search them, instead of Caucasian grannies and little Caucasian kids. You might be surprised what they would find.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jul 16 2004, 07:29 PM
OK, Smartypants, just for shits and grins let's say she wrote like a 4 year old :) That doesn't make the event go away.

At this point, young middle eastern men, traveling together, with foreign passports, have flown planes into buildings and killed people. And they are saying they will do it again. WHY NOT check them more strigently at the airport? Please explain to me why going through this group's bags, checking their passports against lists we all know the feds keep, checking their person more carefully BEFORE they got on the plane is such a violation of these non-citizen's rights. :awinky:
ahem, civil rights and liberties extend only to American citizens in this country, the last time i heard.

The authorities have the right to detain anyone they like without proof of permanant or temporary american citizenship, to a degree. This degree extends to a much larger level than the one we are operating at. If we want to detain passengers for suspicious activity, we have the right to. There is no international law against it. The only fallout would be the same action taken by foreign governments to American citizens traveling abroad. Which, in essence, is a very god thing. Tighten security worldwide, even if out of spite, and you are doing the citizens of the world a favor.


Civil liberties, when boiled down, are a joke. An ill defined, constantly morphing set of guidelines to control standards and practices of the actions of one human against another outside the bounds of criminality. Sandbox rules, in other words. Nebulous codes of ethics without borders. The time for civil liberties is over, especially inside of your own countries borders.


As a caveat.. Civil Liberties are not CIVIL RIGHTS. Civil rights are bound by doctrine, legislation, constitution and statute, both domesticaly and internationaly.

[Torone]

Originally posted by grimm+Jul 18 2004, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jul 18 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jul 16 2004, 07:29 PM
OK, Smartypants, just for shits and grins let's say she wrote like a 4 year old :) That doesn't make the event go away.

At this point, young middle eastern men, traveling together, with foreign passports, have flown planes into buildings and killed people. And they are saying they will do it again. WHY NOT check them more strigently at the airport? Please explain to me why going through this group's bags, checking their passports against lists we all know the feds keep, checking their person more carefully BEFORE they got on the plane is such a violation of these non-citizen's rights. :awinky:
ahem, civil rights and liberties extend only to American citizens in this country, the last time i heard.
[/b][/quote]
Actually, according to Judge William Wayne Justice, the 14th Amendment extends such protections to anyone within our borders...that's why our schools are being financially destroyed educating illegals.

According to som pols, our Constitution is in effect whereever we go. They keep complaining about the 'Constitutional rights' of foreign nationals on foreign soil.

Personally, I feel that most people are blissfully unaware that Senators, Congressmen, and Federal judges (including the SCOTUS justices) can be impeached. Many should be!

[kath]

Originally posted by Torone@Jul 18 2004, 01:35 PM
This is gonna pi** off a few people; but I seem to remember that the people trying to kill us pretty generally all come from the same place and practice the same religion...

I say search them, instead of Caucasian grannies and little Caucasian kids. You might be surprised what they would find.
You must fly out of the same airports as we do because that's about the only groups of folks that I've ever seen pushed around and searched. When we flew into Ft. Lauderdale last year for Internext, some poor granny was being made to stand with her arms up and she was literally crying that it hurt to keep her arms up. The security staff ignored her and kept on scanning her and going through her stuff. She was clean... she got on the plane... but she looked like she was going to pass out and the flight attendants all swarmed around her getting her ice water and a cool compress for her forhead - she looked THAT bad. :(

How is that doing a better job?

Oh... and when we got back into Las Vegas airport a few months ago, they were tearing apart some family's suitcase while the mom watched in horror as the security staff held up the family's dirty vacation underwear for the whole check-in line to see.... and yet some really, nasty stinky taped up box that was headed for Korea didn't get opened because security said that it stunk too much already closed up!

I guess that's how they should get the bomb on the plane... just slap some foreign writing on the box and surround the inner core with the bomb inside with some really smelly fishy stuff - fish eyes, squid, something really gagging... and don't worry, the Americans will be too busy debating racial/religious profiling and hassling grandmothers to have time to even bother searching anything further.

:rolleyes:

[Torone]

Oh, well! This one has slowed down. Time to put it to bed...www.snopes.com. It was all BS!

[PornoDoggy]

Not suprised at all.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Torone@Jul 23 2004, 06:34 AM
Oh, well! This one has slowed down. Time to put it to bed...www.snopes.com. It was all BS!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

doesnt say it was all BS, just that the woman was indeed profiling and paranoiac

[DrGuile]

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/0...ot95/index.html (http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/07/21/askthepilot95/index.html)

This article by a pilot is great. Anybody (*cough*peaches*cough*) that got caught up in the original story, should be honest enough to take the time to read this one.

[Sharpie]

"Want to read the whole article? You have two options: Subscribe now, or watch a brief ad and get a free day pass."

It is not a problem of taking the time to read the article - it is giving out my email address one more time to be spammed forever....

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Sharpie@Jul 23 2004, 10:31 AM
"Want to read the whole article? You have two options: Subscribe now, or watch a brief ad and get a free day pass."

It is not a problem of taking the time to read the article - it is giving out my email address one more time to be spammed forever....
Uhhhh .... it didn't ask you for your email address.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jul 23 2004, 11:13 AM
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/0...ot95/index.html (http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/07/21/askthepilot95/index.html)

This article by a pilot is great. Anybody (*cough*peaches*cough*) that got caught up in the original story, should be honest enough to take the time to read this one.
I read it and I still don't see what did that was wrong. :( IMHO, she merely relayed what happened and brought up a valid argument - yes, they might have been musicians, but if terrorist can learn how to fly planes to commit terroristic acts, why couldn't they learn to play instruments? :unsure: She also showed how they were NOT thoroughly checked out and wondered if our stance against racial profiling will end up doing us more harm than good.

Her SECOND article, however, went over the top to me.