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Meni
07-05-2004, 10:44 PM
Anyone on oprano, you right wing fuckers wanna debate me about the 2000 FL election?
thank god 2004 it won't happen again, well not as BAD
ORLANDO -- A Florida Circuit Court judge said Thursday that a list of felons to be purged from Florida's voter rolls must be made available to anybody that wants a copy, handing a victory to media organizations that had sought copies from the state but were refused.

The ruling by Judge Nikki Clark came in a lawsuit filed by CNN in May. The news network said it wanted the list in order to verify its accuracy and to prevent the disenfranchisement of thousands of voters. Critics suspect many legitimate voters were not allowed to vote in the 2000 presidential election because of inaccuracies in these lists.

Today's the Day. "The Division of Elections is hereby ordered to immediately open the suspected felons list for public inspection and permit the plaintiff and interveners to copy and photograph the list," Clark wrote in a summary judgment. State officials said they would not appeal the ruling.

Department of State officials previously said anybody in the public could look at the list, but only political entities such as candidates or political parties could obtain a copy, and those who had the list could only use it for campaign purposes. After being denied a list, CNN filed suit and was joined by the First Amendment Foundation, ACLU and numerous Florida media outlets.

The list contains the names of 47,000 felons who are registered to vote, but may not be eligible to have that right. Florida is among seven states where felons released from prison don't automatically have voting rights restored upon completion of sentence. They still must re-register to vote, according to state law.

In the lawsuit, the state cited a 2001 law that protects the state's Central Voter Database from being copied. State lawmakers said the list should not be public because it would violate the state constitution's privacy clause.

But Clark said that law was unconstitutional, and the Florida Legislature illegally passed the 2001 statute without showing any public benefit.

"The court cannot and will not speculate what the public necessity might be, nor can the court construe or imply the public necessity from the language of the statute itself," Clark wrote.

CNN attorney Gregg Thomas said the ruling would make the felon list available to anybody, but was unsure if the rest of the database would be public as well. Secretary of State Glenda Hood said the entire statute, which also protects voter registration information and other election-related materials, may be void because of the ruling.

"We caution all those who view this information that this is a list of potential matches, not a final list," Hood said. "The Department of State has worked closely with the NAACP to develop a redundant and rigorous process to protect the rights of all eligible voters."

Ralph Neas, president of People for the American Way, said it was important the list be made available for verification, especially considering Florida's election history.

"There's a primary election coming up in just two months in Florida, and of course, the general election in November," Neas said. "We want to help every voter in Florida cast a vote that counts this election year."

George Bush won Florida's 25 electoral votes in 2000 by just 537 votes over Democrat Al Gore. That year, then-Secretary of State Katherine Harris hired a private firm to purge felons from voting. Hundreds of voters claimed to have been wrongfully removed from the rolls, possibly altering the outcome of the election.

Mike AI
07-05-2004, 10:48 PM
I bet you support the UN sending poll watchers as well!

:lol: :lol:

JoesHO
07-05-2004, 11:14 PM
Kerry in 04, THE ANTI BUSH!
Michale Moore, gave a push!

Winetalk.com
07-06-2004, 12:02 AM
Meni, yopu ARE an idiot...convicts as a majority vote Democratic and now 47.000 of themn can't vote...

how hard have you bumped your head when you had fallen off the tree?
;-))

SykkBoy
07-06-2004, 02:03 AM
None of it would have been an issue i the old people knew how to punch a ballet

maybe we should stop allowing anyone over 80 to vote? ;-)

Winetalk.com
07-06-2004, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jul 6 2004, 01:04 AM
None of it would have been an issue i the old people knew how to punch a ballet

maybe we should stop allowing anyone over 80 to vote? ;-)
..and drive!
;-)))

Meni
07-06-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 5 2004, 11:03 PM
Meni, yopu ARE an idiot...convicts as a majority vote Democratic and now 47.000 of themn can't vote...

how hard have you bumped your head when you had fallen off the tree?
;-))
convicts? convicts
in 2000 those lists were 95% inaccurate in some counties
so shut the fuck up ruskie
you don't know jack shit about FL 2000 and IDT DO YOU?

Meni
07-06-2004, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Jul 5 2004, 09:49 PM
I bet you support the UN sending poll watchers as well!

:lol: :lol:
Mike stick to my thread ok?
i'm talking about FL
how Katherine Harris delivered FL to Bush
and how we dont want that to happen again
you wanna tell me
Harris asking for MORE names removed
so just make up last name and bday is ok?
eliminating thousands of BLACK VOTERS

Mike AI
07-06-2004, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Meni+Jul 6 2004, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Jul 6 2004, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jul 5 2004, 09:49 PM
I bet you support the UN sending poll watchers as well!

:lol: :lol:
Mike stick to my thread ok?
i'm talking about FL
how Katherine Harris delivered FL to Bush
and how we dont want that to happen again
you wanna tell me
Harris asking for MORE names removed
so just make up last name and bday is ok?
eliminating thousands of BLACK VOTERS [/b][/quote]


Meni I undderstand if you are not aware of the issue of some democrat congress people writing a letter to the UN secretary general asking for the UN to monitor US elections.

I guess Stern has not taken the time to go over the issue.

It is pretty amusing - though I doubt you would understand the irony of it.

Meni
07-06-2004, 12:39 PM
Mike go read ABCNews interview with Greg Palast ok?
and it was over 90,000 names removed in 2000 and the NAACP sued FL and Katherine Harris and won
did the US media talk about that?
The rest of the world knows about FL,and is outraged and the US isn't? (http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=216&row=2)

Winetalk.com
07-06-2004, 12:40 PM
Meni,
I smile every time I look at your name,
because regardless who wins the elections,
you will always be a MORON and a WHINER with no clue.

thank you for the entertaintment and a visual.

;_)))

Meni
07-06-2004, 01:15 PM
FINALLY i am recognized for the clown I am
thank you Serge
finally its in black and white
and america loves the zany political homo erotic meni character
praise the lord
woohoooooooo
i'm on top of a mountain

Winetalk.com
07-06-2004, 01:49 PM
idiot.............

Meni
07-06-2004, 01:59 PM
America's favorite Idiot
oh wait
that GW

grimm
07-06-2004, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Meni+Jul 6 2004, 08:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Jul 6 2004, 08:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jul 5 2004, 09:49 PM
I bet you support the UN sending poll watchers as well!

:lol: :lol:
Mike stick to my thread ok?
i'm talking about FL
how Katherine Harris delivered FL to Bush
and how we dont want that to happen again
you wanna tell me
Harris asking for MORE names removed
so just make up last name and bday is ok?
eliminating thousands of BLACK VOTERS [/b][/quote]
Meni is right, Katherine Harris did deliver FL to Bush. But not by disallowing convicts.

I was more concerned with the lack of counting of absentee ballots, especially those from soldiers abroad, who are NOT republicans in the majority (young kids, black males, hispanics, etc)


Serge is right, i would say 60% of convicts vote Dem. a lot of reform happens in fed prison, and a move to the right usually goes hand in hand with that.

Either way, the system did not work, it was handled horribly. Any conspiracy theory is there to discuss.


But there is one way to solve the problems, get more people to vote. 2000 proved every vote counts. I imagine turnout will be a lot higher in November.


stop pointing fingers, and start punching vote cards;)

Meni
07-06-2004, 11:28 PM
i'm voting
i'm driving serge to the polls

Mike AI
07-06-2004, 11:50 PM
http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a291/a291.gif

I need to get this shirt!

Meni
07-07-2004, 12:45 AM
no mike
get the Faith +1 tour shirt
that rules