Is Brad a lier?

[Winetalk.com]

Yesterday Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw made a claim that he is a self made man and made $1,000,000 in 1997. I called it a lie and offered $50,000 if he can prove it.

What is YOUR opinion? Who is now $50,000 lighter, me or Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw?

[Nickatilynx]

1997 wasn't he and a guy that he bribed on the inside at Infoseek doing SE's?

Wasn't that the time when he was BRAT Shaw whining like a lil bitch on YNOT ?

I think your 50k is safe.

:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 5 2004, 11:11 AM
1997 wasn't he and a guy that he bribed on the inside at Infoseek doing SE's?

Wasn't that the time when he was BRAT Shaw whining like a lil bitch on YNOT ?

I think your 50k is safe.

:)
good memory, Nick!
word!

[Nickatilynx]

word!

WTF!!!!

Is everyone turning black!!!! Fuck!!

;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 5 2004, 11:15 AM
word!

WTF!!!!

Is everyone turning black!!!! Fuck!!

;-))))
actually, I am turning GREEN,
not every dat $50 fall in my lap
;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

A gambling debt is a debt of honour.

Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw has no honour.

You will never get your money.

[Meni]

Serge we all lie

[Nickatilynx]

True....

But over what a man lies about is an indication of his characxter.


;-)))


****************************


Lies are usually caused by undue fear of men. - Hasidic proverb

Little dogs bark from fear.

We seem to have a common thread here

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Meni@Jul 5 2004, 11:47 AM
Serge we all lie
Meni,
the Church and me recognises only ONE type of lie to be acceptable:
The lie for the sake of salvation.

I NEVER lie,
back in 1998 I posted:
I SHAVE and that wasn't a lie
;-))))

[RawAlex]

What year did he sell the teen-mail thing to FM?

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jul 5 2004, 12:18 PM
What year did he sell the teen-mail thing to FM?

Alex
he did it in 98-99 as he had no money to keep up his buisness and needed software FM was selling

[Vick]

If I recall correctly (and could be wrong) 1997 would have been when Brad was just starting Teen Goddess and begining to expand to a few other sites

Don't remember if the piss between Serge and Brad on Ynot (which had all sorts of weird paranoid shit including threats to call the police) was in 1997 or 1998 but I think early 1998

So I don't think Brad did 1,000,000 USD in 1997

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 5 2004, 09:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 5 2004, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RawAlex@Jul 5 2004, 12:18 PM
What year did he sell the teen-mail thing to FM?

Alex
he did it in 98-99 as he had no money to keep up his buisness and needed software FM was selling [/b][/quote]
Fast Cash 2 which I believe was 25k ??

Written , I believe , by BobX ?

[Evil Chris]

Brad's not a lier.

But he might be a liar. :P

[BradShaw]

Serge when I need $50k, I will revisit this thread. Right now $50k would hardly cover my hair care products.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 5 2004, 12:43 PM
Serge when I need $50k, I will revisit this thread. Right now $50k would hardly cover my hair care products.
_________
Ask GonZo what I promote
Cocksucking

[JFK]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jul 5 2004, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jul 5 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw@Jul 5 2004, 12:43 PM
Serge when I need $50k, I will revisit this thread. Right now $50k would hardly cover my hair care products.
_________
Ask GonZo what I promote
Cocksucking [/b][/quote]
Ouch :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by JFK+Jul 5 2004, 12:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JFK @ Jul 5 2004, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Jul 5 2004, 09:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw@Jul 5 2004, 12:43 PM
Serge when I need $50k, I will revisit this thread. Right now $50k would hardly cover my hair care products.
_________
Ask GonZo what I promote
Cocksucking
Ouch :biglaugh: :biglaugh: [/b][/quote]
Well it is a gay program.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 5 2004, 12:43 PM
Serge when I need $50k, I will revisit this thread. Right now $50k would hardly cover my hair care products.
weasel,
you've been caught red handed on another lie,
you owe me $50k and no amout spent on hair products will help your receding hair line or growing nose

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 5 2004, 09:43 AM
Serge when I need $50k, I will revisit this thread. Right now $50k would hardly cover my hair care products.
Yeah, I have been told getting the back waxwed, and inplants for the balding scalp, can really get into the guys with egos pockets pretty deep...

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 5 2004, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 5 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 5 2004, 09:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-RawAlex@Jul 5 2004, 12:18 PM
What year did he sell the teen-mail thing to FM?

Alex
he did it in 98-99 as he had no money to keep up his buisness and needed software FM was selling
Fast Cash 2 which I believe was 25k ??

Written , I believe , by BobX ? [/b][/quote]
High Rollers actually... That was his first package that counted signups instead of just clicks.

[confucy]

Oh Shit!!!

A thread of liars who are calling a guest a liar. Serge, you lost your credibility years ago. I won bets and you never paid. You are a BULLSHITTER, and only other bullshitters like Nick will back you up.

Get with it, furball. You are more boring than I am. :P

[Evil Chris]

haha... this is getting funnier all the time.

I knew I came here for a reason. :lol:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by confucy@Jul 5 2004, 03:36 PM
Oh Shit!!!

A thread of liars who are calling a guest a liar. Serge, you lost your credibility years ago. I won bets and you never paid. You are a BULLSHITTER, and only other bullshitters like Nick will back you up.

Get with it, furball. You are more boring than I am. :P
confucy ,

wibble...blah whooop woop way hay!!!!

I'm king of the penquins!!!!

eeeecccch!!!!

[RawAlex]

Nick, those are my penguins... leave them alone!

Alex :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jul 5 2004, 04:21 PM
Nick, those are my penguins... leave them alone!

Alex :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well you keep them , Alex! LOL

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 5 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 5 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-confucy@Jul 5 2004, 03:36 PM
Oh Shit!!!

A thread of liars who are calling a guest a liar. Serge, you lost your credibility years ago. I won bets and you never paid. You are a BULLSHITTER, and only other bullshitters like Nick will back you up.

Get with it, furball. You are more boring than I am. :P
confucy ,

wibble...blah whooop woop way hay!!!!

I'm king of the penquins!!!!

eeeecccch!!!! [/b][/quote]
Serenity now with the Penguin cam.
http://www.montrealcam.com/en-biodome.html

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Jul 5 2004, 06:36 PM
Oh Shit!!!

A thread of liars who are calling a guest a liar. Serge, you lost your credibility years ago. I won bets and you never paid. You are a BULLSHITTER, and only other bullshitters like Nick will back you up.

Get with it, furball. You are more boring than I am. :P
bitch,
haven't you learned yet that you are no under circumstances to mention my name in vain? For you I am GOD.

you are so banned......fuck off and stay there.


And stop begging me to unban you.

[Nickatilynx]

awww come on!!!

Dont ban her til we have all told her what think of her!!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 5 2004, 08:10 PM
awww come on!!!

Dont ban her til we have all told her what think of her!!
she knows it already,
and I am tired of a stupid bitch
;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 5 2004, 07:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 5 2004, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RawAlex@Jul 5 2004, 04:21 PM
Nick, those are my penguins... leave them alone!

Alex :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well you keep them , Alex! LOL [/b][/quote]
:ph34r: When the revolotion comes, all your penguins belong to us. :ph34r:

[JoesHO]

does weasel Flambe' taste like chicken?

and should you get the red or the white ?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by confucy@Jul 5 2004, 06:36 PM
Oh Shit!!!

A thread of liars who are calling a guest a liar. Serge, you lost your credibility years ago. I won bets and you never paid. You are a BULLSHITTER, and only other bullshitters like Nick will back you up.

Get with it, furball. You are more boring than I am. :P


Speaking of, where is the photo you promised for me sending you the Oprano shirt?

B)

[lindy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 5 2004, 08:09 AM
Yesterday Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw made a claim that he is a self made man and made $1,000,000 in 1997. I called it a lie and offered $50,000 if he can prove it.

What is YOUR opinion? Who is now $50,000 lighter, me or Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw?
I don't know. A million in 97. What's the big deal? Do you guys have short memories? Sorry, I have been lurking but this seems quite possible. I did it and I thought you guys did too.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by lindy+Jul 5 2004, 10:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy @ Jul 5 2004, 10:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Jul 5 2004, 08:09 AM
Yesterday Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw made a claim that he is a self made man and made $1,000,000 in 1997. I called it a lie and offered $50,000 if he can prove it.

What is YOUR opinion? Who is now $50,000 lighter, me or Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw?
I don't know. A million in 97. What's the big deal? Do you guys have short memories? Sorry, I have been lurking but this seems quite possible. I did it and I thought you guys did too. [/b][/quote]
confucy,
which part of
FUCK OFF and stay there you don't understand?

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Jul 5 2004, 02:37 PM
Brad's not a lier.

But he might be a liar. :P
I heard he was a lyre. :)

And that Serge plucks his strings all the time.

[slavdogg]

i dont remember if Brad was on ynot in 97, maybe late 97
i'm pretty sure from my memory that 98 was when he started making bank with Pam Anderson promos and than released teengoddess with CTC stats

PureHardcore was launched around Sep of 97 and PlayGal at around the same time, dont remember Brad being around than.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 04:55 AM
i dont remember if Brad was on ynot in 97, maybe late 97
i'm pretty sure from my memory that 98 was when he started making bank with Pam Anderson promos and than released teengoddess with CTC stats

PureHardcore was launched around Sep of 97 and PlayGal at around the same time, dont remember Brad being around than.
Salv, your memory is correct,
I helped both programs and I barely crossed 1 mil mark in 97....

do you remember what was the price per click in:
the begining of 97? end of 97?
;-)))

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 6 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 6 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 04:55 AM
i dont remember if Brad was on ynot in 97, maybe late 97
i'm pretty sure from my memory that 98 was when he started making bank with Pam Anderson promos and than released teengoddess with CTC stats

PureHardcore was launched around Sep of 97 and PlayGal at around the same time, dont remember Brad being around than.
Salv, your memory is correct,
I helped both programs and I barely crossed 1 mil mark in 97....

do you remember what was the price per click in:
the begining of 97? end of 97?
;-))) [/b][/quote]
Serge,

Not off hand mate. Before my time. But I can ring Dean and find out!

:P

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but from my research and knowing many who had exceeded the mil per year on those days, I don't remember Brad being mentioned in those conversations. You, Ron, Dean, JB (?) and some of the others, but not Brad.

Shit I don't think even the original PB had hit that mark in 97, but I could be wrong there (was it 96), although I am almost sure PG did it first.

Would that be a correct assumption?

What can I say - I am a student of history, and the subject is fascinating.

BTW.. waiting for your call on the vino shipment :huh:

[masterp74]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 01:55 AM
i dont remember if Brad was on ynot in 97, maybe late 97
i'm pretty sure from my memory that 98 was when he started making bank with Pam Anderson promos and than released teengoddess with CTC stats

PureHardcore was launched around Sep of 97 and PlayGal at around the same time, dont remember Brad being around than.
I was at www.ragingbull.com 24/7 in 97 and 98. :matey:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy+Jul 6 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CuriousToyBoy @ Jul 6 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 6 2004, 09:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 04:55 AM
i dont remember if Brad was on ynot in 97, maybe late 97
i'm pretty sure from my memory that 98 was when he started making bank with Pam Anderson promos and than released teengoddess with CTC stats

PureHardcore was launched around Sep of 97 and PlayGal at around the same time, dont remember Brad being around than.
Salv, your memory is correct,
I helped both programs and I barely crossed 1 mil mark in 97....

do you remember what was the price per click in:
the begining of 97? end of 97?
;-)))
Serge,

Not off hand mate. Before my time. But I can ring Dean and find out!

:P

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but from my research and knowing many who had exceeded the mil per year on those days, I don't remember Brad being mentioned in those conversations. You, Ron, Dean, JB (?) and some of the others, but not Brad.

Shit I don't think even the original PB had hit that mark in 97, but I could be wrong there (was it 96), although I am almost sure PG did it first.

Would that be a correct assumption?

What can I say - I am a student of history, and the subject is fascinating.

BTW.. waiting for your call on the vino shipment :huh: [/b][/quote]
ScottPB was there BEFORE FM, before Dean, even though they both worked for the same outfir at different times
;-))

Dean, ScottPB, I praise Australians for their guts, business ethics and their iron clad word and sense of honor.

They made me and I NEVER forget good things done for me and return a favor every time I have a chance.

as for vino-
hold it,
and your intention has been noted with a big
:okthumb:

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 6 2004, 06:41 AM
do you remember what was the price per click in:
the begining of 97? end of 97?
;-)))
Early 97, it was still 2-3 cents depanding on the program
IEG, babenet, WebPower, CE's FastCast was closed to new webmasters at that time.

Late 97 is harder to pin down, thats when conversion ratios started to matter
PH was at around 4 cents a click, CE and Intergal invented conversion tables.
SergesCash was around 4.5 cents i think

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Meni@Jul 5 2004, 08:47 AM
Serge we all lie
Sorry Meni, but Brad is a shithead.... IMHO

look at it this way, clinton lied about a BJ no harm done ...

Bush lied about WMD, and tens of thousands of people died, and are still diying

point is, some liars are worse than others...and the effect of the lie can be very troubling if not kept in perspective....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 07:25 PM

SergesCash was around 4.5 cents i think
no it wasn't.....I was paid myself 3.25 cents per click back than
;-)

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 6 2004, 07:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 6 2004, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 07:25 PM

SergesCash was around 4.5 cents i think
no it wasn't.....I was paid myself 3.25 cents per click back than
;-) [/b][/quote]
you're right, your payout was about 3 cents in 97
i should have remembered, cuz that was the last time i sent you traffic :)

and i think PH started at 3.5 cents a click than
that sounds more accurate now

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 6 2004, 07:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 6 2004, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 07:25 PM

SergesCash was around 4.5 cents i think
no it wasn't.....I was paid myself 3.25 cents per click back than
;-) [/b][/quote]

3.25 ... haha.. I had forgotten about that.. I remember logging in at the end of the day to see the stats in the text file. :-)

I see Confucy got the boot.. it is so much more peaceful when she isn't here.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Bishop+Jul 6 2004, 08:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Jul 6 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 6 2004, 07:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Jul 6 2004, 07:25 PM

SergesCash was around 4.5 cents i think
no it wasn't.....I was paid myself 3.25 cents per click back than
;-)

3.25 ... haha.. I had forgotten about that.. I remember logging in at the end of the day to see the stats in the text file. :-)

I see Confucy got the boot.. it is so much more peaceful when she isn't here. [/b][/quote]
yeah,
I was watching first season of Sopranos and she reminds me of Lidia way too much
;-)))

[JoesHO]

In some circles I hear that pay per click will make a come back? what do you oprano's think?

[grimm]

Originally posted by Vick@Jul 5 2004, 09:25 AM
If I recall correctly (and could be wrong) 1997 would have been when Brad was just starting Teen Goddess and begining to expand to a few other sites

Don't remember if the piss between Serge and Brad on Ynot (which had all sorts of weird paranoid shit including threats to call the police) was in 1997 or 1998 but I think early 1998

So I don't think Brad did 1,000,000 USD in 1997
I think 1997 is a little early. more like 98-99.


how come it seems that every time one of these arguments pop up, the year everyone got started goes back a year.


There were very few legitimate adult millionaires in 1997, maybe 1-2% of those that made it in the years that followed.

[grimm]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jul 6 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jul 6 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Meni@Jul 5 2004, 08:47 AM
Serge we all lie
Sorry Meni, but Brad is a shithead.... IMHO

look at it this way, clinton lied about a BJ no harm done ...

Bush lied about WMD, and tens of thousands of people died, and are still diying

point is, some liars are worse than others...and the effect of the lie can be very troubling if not kept in perspective.... [/b][/quote]
Not sure what you are referring to, but BRad has always been up front and honest with me. He is also a good friend, and all around decent guy, a lot more tha i can say for some of his detractors, thats for sure.

[grimm]

Seriously, you want to compare Nick to Brad when it comes to honesty, truthfulness, and dignity? Nick is funny, a fun guy to be around, and damn well knows how to earn a buck, but ive seen a lot in my days. He's very intelligent, but would fuck a snake if you held it;)

But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm+Jul 7 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jul 7 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 6 2004, 04:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Meni@Jul 5 2004, 08:47 AM
Serge we all lie
Sorry Meni, but Brad is a shithead.... IMHO

look at it this way, clinton lied about a BJ no harm done ...

Bush lied about WMD, and tens of thousands of people died, and are still diying

point is, some liars are worse than others...and the effect of the lie can be very troubling if not kept in perspective....
Not sure what you are referring to, but BRad has always been up front and honest with me. He is also a good friend, and all around decent guy, a lot more tha i can say for some of his detractors, thats for sure. [/b][/quote]
Grimm,
Goerbbels likes animals, was good to them,
should we sing praises to Goebbels too?

If you have problem me ripping Brad second asshole and would rather have me rip you one,
just wink and I'll do it in no time. I've got your number too, putz.

[grimm]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 6 2004, 08:21 PM
In some circles I hear that pay per click will make a come back? what do you oprano's think?
History always repeats itself. You learn from past mistakes, and build a better model of what got you where you are, plug the leaks, eliminate the greed, settle for smaller immediate margins, and you can make anything work again, just in different form or substance.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:12 PM


But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 7 2004, 01:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 7 2004, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:12 PM


But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars. [/b][/quote]


Grimm has been out of the loop. I do not think he is up on all current events that have taken place in this industry.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 7 2004, 10:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 7 2004, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 6 2004, 04:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Meni@Jul 5 2004, 08:47 AM
Serge we all lie
Sorry Meni, but Brad is a shithead.... IMHO

look at it this way, clinton lied about a BJ no harm done ...

Bush lied about WMD, and tens of thousands of people died, and are still diying

point is, some liars are worse than others...and the effect of the lie can be very troubling if not kept in perspective....
Not sure what you are referring to, but BRad has always been up front and honest with me. He is also a good friend, and all around decent guy, a lot more tha i can say for some of his detractors, thats for sure.
Grimm,
Goerbbels likes animals, was good to them,
should we sing praises to Goebbels too?

If you have problem me ripping Brad second asshole and would rather have me rip you one,
just wink and I'll do it in no time. I've got your number too, putz. [/b][/quote]
Serge it is best to keep your friends out of your checkbook, or at least seperate the two wholly.

Think of how our relationship blossomed after we got out of that nasty click business, ya old dog;)

One of the problems with the adult industry, is too many people think the people they meet at parties and start doing business with are their friends. In doing business and being successful, there is a certain amount of bullshit and backbiting that needs to be done. Survival of the fittest. Thats why it is best not to get ones feelings hurt over business transactions.

If the man who fucks you is a theif and a friend, just go out to lunch after you take him for all he's worth in court;)


Brad's a nice guy, neer had a problem with him. Went to his wedding, along with MikeAI, and many others. Had a wonderful time. Never made much with his programs, but never really tried them.





as for assholes, sure, rip me a new one, for old times sake;) but be gentle!

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 7 2004, 10:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 7 2004, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:12 PM


But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars. [/b][/quote]
Seems i hit a nerve;)

And yes, i have been out of the adult loop, not sure where all this venom was coming. Last time i saw we were all friends;)

[Winetalk.com]

Serge it is best to keep your friends out of your checkbook, or at least seperate the two wholly.

Think of how our relationship blossomed after we got out of that nasty click business, ya old dog;)


hey,
I'd take BAD relations and $50k a week in business over good relations and zilch any time
;-))))
I kept you for money, not your good look
;-))))

as for ripping you the asshole,
you right, ain't worth it,
I see no benefits for me whatsoever and I am tired today,
I just finished ripping a second asshole to my doctor's receptionist/office manager.
One asshole per day is my new limit
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm+Jul 7 2004, 01:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jul 7 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 10:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:12 PM


But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars.
Seems i hit a nerve;)

And yes, i have been out of the adult loop, not sure where all this venom was coming. Last time i saw we were all friends;) [/b][/quote]
we are, but weasel and me are not. Your taking his side is throwing our friendship out of the window.

do YOU have a proof/belief that he made over 1mil in 1997?

YES or NO?

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 7 2004, 10:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 7 2004, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:12 PM


But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars. [/b][/quote]
What did Brad do to raise such venom, serge? I honestly don't know.

He's still my friend i don't take them and drop them depending on my mood. a friend is a friend is a friend, until such friend oes something to damage that friendship.

Its a way of living that has worked for me. Friendhsip is hard to earn, and should be equally hard to lose.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 02:29 PM
as for ripping you the asshole,
you right, ain't worth it,
I see no benefits for me whatsoever and I am tired today,
I just finished ripping a second asshole to my doctor's receptionist/office manager.
One asshole per day is my new limit
;-))))
Tell the truth - you have a pass to Mina's site and you're going to be there for the rest of the day! :P

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 7 2004, 01:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 7 2004, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 02:29 PM
as for ripping you the asshole,
you right, ain't worth it,
I see no benefits for me whatsoever and I am tired today,
I just finished ripping a second asshole to my doctor's receptionist/office manager.
One asshole per day is my new limit
;-))))
Tell the truth - you have a pass to Mina's site and you're going to be there for the rest of the day! :P [/b][/quote]
I didn't get it yet, but as soon as I do,
I'd rather study her ass hole than Grimm's or weasel's, that's for sure
;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by grimm@Jul 7 2004, 10:12 AM
Seriously, you want to compare Nick to Brad when it comes to honesty, truthfulness, and dignity? Nick is funny, a fun guy to be around, and damn well knows how to earn a buck, but ive seen a lot in my days. He's very intelligent, but would fuck a snake if you held it;)

But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
Why do I always have to used as the "example" ?

;-)))

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 7 2004, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 7 2004, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 10:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:12 PM


But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars.
Seems i hit a nerve;)

And yes, i have been out of the adult loop, not sure where all this venom was coming. Last time i saw we were all friends;)
we are, but weasel and me are not. Your taking his side is throwing our friendship out of the window.

do YOU have a proof/belief that he made over 1mil in 1997?

YES or NO? [/b][/quote]
no but as i said before, if i had to wager a guess, i would say know, that was very early. he is younger than I, and i certainly didnt make 1 million in 1997, in fact, i was a junior in college. which would have put him alongside me. I do know h made more than i did coming out of the gate, or at least converation fodder back thn indicted so.

so if i were to wager a guess, i would say no.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jul 7 2004, 10:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jul 7 2004, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 10:12 AM
Seriously, you want to compare Nick to Brad when it comes to honesty, truthfulness, and dignity? Nick is funny, a fun guy to be around, and damn well knows how to earn a buck, but ive seen a lot in my days. He's very intelligent, but would fuck a snake if you held it;)

But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
Why do I always have to used as the "example" ?

;-))) [/b][/quote]
Its your birthright, you earned it;)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:32 PM

What did Brad do to raise such venom, serge? I honestly don't know.


why don't you ask your friend? Seems like what I say doesn't mater to you anyway,
he knows the answer and you should hear it from his mouth.

Ahhh, I envy you so much, friends like Brad are hard to find.....

[grimm]

hey,
I'd take BAD relations and $50k a week in business over good relations and zilch any time
;-))))
I kept you for money, not your good look
;-))))

--


you mean, you, *gasp* were shaving?;)


youd have done good to keep both, i bet i draw more attention in a speedo;)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by grimm+Jul 7 2004, 10:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jul 7 2004, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 7 2004, 10:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 10:12 AM
Seriously, you want to compare Nick to Brad when it comes to honesty, truthfulness, and dignity? Nick is funny, a fun guy to be around, and damn well knows how to earn a buck, but ive seen a lot in my days. He's very intelligent, but would fuck a snake if you held it;)

But who amongst business men (and women) Do not have a few skeletons.
Why do I always have to used as the "example" ?

;-)))
Its your birthright, you earned it;) [/b][/quote]
LOL

Fair enough.....just wondered...

[Winetalk.com]

grimm, your right, no sense crossing spears over weasel

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 7 2004, 10:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jul 7 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:32 PM

What did Brad do to raise such venom, serge? I honestly don't know.


why don't you ask your friend? Seems like what I say doesn't mater to you anyway,
he knows the answer and you should hear it from his mouth.

Ahhh, I envy you so much, friends like Brad are hard to find..... [/b][/quote]
Well, you really havent said anything at all, other than to call him a weasel. What did he or is he doing?

Come on, be specific for me, boytchik :D

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 10:41 AM
grimm, your right, no sense crossing spears over weasel
Indeed, ill figure it all out on my own.


Its been a while since i was up on the scoop in the everyday drama that is being a webmaster;)

Too busy dealing with the everyday drama in other areas;)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm+Jul 7 2004, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jul 7 2004, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 10:38 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:32 PM

What did Brad do to raise such venom, serge? I honestly don't know.


why don't you ask your friend? Seems like what I say doesn't mater to you anyway,
he knows the answer and you should hear it from his mouth.

Ahhh, I envy you so much, friends like Brad are hard to find.....
Well, you really havent said anything at all, other than to call him a weasel. What did he or is he doing?

Come on, be specific for me, boytchik :D [/b][/quote]
grimm,
ASK HIM, you don't beleive me, why would I bother under those circumstances?

he is YOUR friend and HIS word trumps mine
;-)))

I'm POSITIVE he won't hide it from you

[grimm]

hah!;) words.

actions, not words, friend

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm@Jul 7 2004, 01:49 PM
hah!;) words.

actions, not words, friend
grimm,
your right once again,
I am enjoying Mina's actions more than lots of words put together and acomplishing NOTHING
;-))))

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 03:15 PM
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars.
This thread keeps making me think of a Jim Stratford song. :)

... Not to mention an old Cher one too. :D

[Vick]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Jul 7 2004, 02:48 PM
This thread keeps making me think of a Jim Stratford song. :)

... Not to mention an old Cher one too. :D
Stratford - "and that ain't what it takes to love me, like I wanna be loved by you"

Cher - "We'd hear it from the people of the town"

??????


B)

[Dravyk]

Vick, bingo.

[JoesHO]

Who is Mina?

[Nickatilynx]

Ok , we know who the first bit is...but who is the tramp and the thief?

;-)))

[JoesHO]

Hey Nick, are you going to do any belly flopping in florida?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jul 7 2004, 05:31 PM
Hey Nick, are you going to do any belly flopping in florida?
Too far a drive for Mr. Skeerdy Cat B)

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Jul 7 2004, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Jul 7 2004, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Jul 7 2004, 03:15 PM
...and I'll be delighted to bring YOUR sceletons to life,
just to teach you a lesson how to keep your mouth shut when I talk of sneakes, weasles and liars.
This thread keeps making me think of a Jim Stratford song. :)

... Not to mention an old Cher one too. :D [/b][/quote]
Dravyk!

YOU FUCKING BASTARD!

That damned "Spiders and Snakes" song is stuck in my fucking head now.


http://uploads.ungrounded.net/166000/166521_bananaphone.swf

[brand0n]

gonz that avatar is a fucking riot.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by brand0n@Jul 8 2004, 10:27 PM
gonz that avatar is a fucking riot.
Im still looking for some weasel gum to scrape off my shoe for the next one.

Mark does great work if your interested in getting one!