What is Kerry's stance on porn?

[Almighty Colin]

I am very interested in Kerry's stance on the law and porn. I know Bush's stance. It's not good. The first thing I thought of is to see how Kerry voted on the Communications Decency Act. Here are the votes.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll...on=1&vote=00263 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00263)

It was bill S. 652

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c104...45Eyuj:e253573: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c104:1:./temp/~c10445Eyuj:e253573:)

I am disappointed to find out Kerry voted for it. Anyone else have any other info on other bills or any comments he may have made over the years?



Last edited by Colin at Jun 20 2004, 07:52 AM

[JoesHO]

Kerry is a yes man unfortunatly....

I believe once he is in power that will change, but I am disheartened by his willingness to say what he believes is what the people want to hear as an answear rather than what he fells is the right answear!

but I still believe he is the better overall choice to lead us out of the problems we are facing today.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jun 20 2004, 10:11 AM
Kerry is a yes man unfortunatly....

I believe once he is in power that will change, but I am disheartened by his willingness to say what he believes is what the people want to hear as an answear rather than what he fells is the right answear!

but I still believe he is the better overall choice to lead us out of the problems we are facing today.
Come on, wake up. To get another 10 votes, Kerry would round up every pornographer and throw them into jail. He is a lifetime politician who beleives in nothing but trying to secure himself more power and money.

This industry is no safer with Kerry then it is with Bush. To think otherwise is wishful thinking or ignorance.

All politicians would scape goat this industry in a second if it meant getting more votes, or covering up other embarassing issues.

[Manny Z]

I don't think it matters. Love him or hate him, get ready for 4 more years of W.

Manny Z :purpdance:

[RawAlex]

Generally, the democratic party is not specifically anti-porn, seemingly more oriented towards going after KP and such. The republican party by it's own definition is anti-porn.

The differences between the noises made with Janet Reno and John Ashcroft should tell you everything you need to know.

No Mike, I don't think ANY politician is pro-porn, that would be foolish... but there is a difference between "anti-porn" and "neutral". I also think there is a difference between "all porn people should be shot" and "get after illegal material and KP". Assclown has shown that he has little interest in making and distinctions between legal and illegal, it is all up to his personal level of disgust (he covered a freaking statue... enough said!)

Alex

[Mike AI]

Alex I think you give the far right christian conservatives way to much credit when it comes to policy and power.

Colin, can you post the numbers of obscenity prosecutions over the past 10 years. I saw you posted them on another board, I think the facts speak volumes.

[PornoDoggy]

Now, lemme see here.

Starting in about 1997 then-Senator John Ashcroft put together an exploratory committee to evaluate the possibility of running for higher office.

He was, for some time, the darling of the Rev. Pat Robertson, the Rev. Jerry Fallwell, and various and sundry other mullahs of the Religious Right, which of course, according to Mike from his vantage point neck deep in De Nile, doesn't really exist.

The exploratory committee was enough to convince him not to run. After being defeated in his last Senate race by a dead man, what interest group do you suppose his appointment was designed to please?

(Hint ... it ain't P.E.T.A. or the Log Cabin Republicans).

Anybody with a SHRED of objectivity and a mere TOUCH of common sense knows that the "stand" of a politician on porn is about as relevant as the stand of a politician on dog biting mailmen.

It's the judges, stupid.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Jun 20 2004, 11:12 PM

[Vick]

Welcome back PD

The exploratory committee was enough to convince him not to run. After being defeated in his last Senate race by a dead man, what interest group do you suppose his appointment was designed to please?


The Grave Diggers Union?? :biglaugh:

[Almighty Colin]

Sure, Mike. This is what I have. Have to look some more for more recent numbers.

According to EOUSA:

Federal Prosecutions of Obscenity Cases

Cases prosecuted
1992 44
1993 25
1994 28
1995 26
1996 18
1997 20
1998 13
1999 11
2000 20

Source: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/inspection...107/results.htm

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[slavdogg]

i just happened to find this article while searching for Obscenity Prosecution cases.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.ob...-home-headlines (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
Administration wages war on pornography
It gives a us an idea of what the justice dep is doing

[slavdogg]

Colin, from the #s i've seen in the past
the #s you posted seems really inflated and most likely include child porn cases.

As far as i remember there were only few cases durring Clinton years dealing with Obscenity

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jun 21 2004, 03:36 AM
Colin, from the #s i've seen in the past
the #s you posted seems really inflated and most likely include child porn cases.

As far as i remember there were only few cases durring Clinton years dealing with Obscenity
I'm interested in them if you have them.

Also, Bush declared a "Protection From Pornography Week" last year.

[RawAlex]

Also Colin, those numbers of obscenity cases, how many of them involved online commercial pornography, or commercial (ie: mainstream) videos or magazines?

Remember, obscenity can be as little as Bono saying "fuck" on TV.

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 21 2004, 07:44 AM
Also Colin, those numbers of obscenity cases, how many of them involved online commercial pornography, or commercial (ie: mainstream) videos or magazines?

Remember, obscenity can be as little as Bono saying "fuck" on TV.

Alex
Why do I need to "remember" anything? I posted the statistics in reply to a question made at GFY. Mike asked for me to repost the stats here.

Just for the record, though Ashcroft's hiring of obscenity prosecutors and Bush's declaring a "Protection from Pornography" week have unnerved me on the issue, I see little evidence that his actions are any worse than Kerry's yeah vote and Clinton's signing of an unconstitutional CDA. Thankfully the ACLU was there to press our case and the Supreme Court saw our point of view.

We have to go back to Jimmy Carter to find a real friend.



Last edited by Colin at Jun 21 2004, 08:20 AM

[Biggy]

its not kerry that im worried about.

its not bush that im worried about.


its ashcroft, and to be honest, i don't know how many people are more extreme than ashcroft is.

bush or kerry will never wake up one day and say "hey, its time to stop pornography." the president has too many things on his mind to worry about porn.

but ashcroft will. I'd like to know who Kerry would appoint as Attorney General.

[RawAlex]

Colin, I think that had 9/11 not occured, most of us would be out of business or up to our eyes in legal costs. In a very weird way, our industry has been saved because Ashcroft and his cronies have enough prisoners to bash on and supposed terrorist cells to dismantle. Had this not come to the front, I am confident that we would have been his #1 target.

When Bush finally gets the troops out of Iraq (and I think it will be Kerry getting the out, but that is another story), and when things calm down a bit, I think you will see the domestic issues come to the surface, and ashcroft's merry men will be out looking at websites and viewing videos and getting all pissed off.

Giving Bush a second term is like poking a sleeping bear with a sharp stick.

As for "remember", it is because while numbers don't lie, without backing they are just meaningless numbers.

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 21 2004, 09:06 AM
Colin, I think that had 9/11 not occured, most of us would be out of business or up to our eyes in legal costs. In a very weird way, our industry has been saved because Ashcroft and his cronies have enough prisoners to bash on and supposed terrorist cells to dismantle. Had this not come to the front, I am confident that we would have been his #1 target.

When Bush finally gets the troops out of Iraq (and I think it will be Kerry getting the out, but that is another story), and when things calm down a bit, I think you will see the domestic issues come to the surface, and ashcroft's merry men will be out looking at websites and viewing videos and getting all pissed off.

Giving Bush a second term is like poking a sleeping bear with a sharp stick.

As for "remember", it is because while numbers don't lie, without backing they are just meaningless numbers.

Alex
That may be so. I have no idea. By the same token, what would have happened IF the Supreme Court had not ruled CDA unconstitutional?

I don't disagree with you that Bush and Ashcroft are a threat to the industry. Just how much of a threat though is really anyone's guess. Whether we would be "out of business or up to our eyes in legal costs" is completely conjectural. I have to say, overall, I don't disagree with the basic premise. Conservatism is bad for porn. There is some anti-porn momentum and another term of Bush might really bring it out. I'm voting Kerry - depending on how the world looks in November.

I don't think it's realistic though that the average pornographer is going to come under fire.

[Almighty Colin]

I think the topic is mutating. Other than the vote I showed, anyone have any further evidence on Kerry's position on porn, free speech, etc?

[Mike AI]

This is pretty funny.

Between quotes from Ashcroft in 1997 before he was Attorney General, to saying the numbers reported by the gov't are wrong and must including KP. You people will say ( or beleive) anything.

Ashcroft is a wierd guy, but he has done NOTHING in 3 years to effect this industry.

What has the "porn czar" in Utah done the past few years? I have read nothing.

You liberals have plenty of reason to support Kerry, and hate Bush - but there is not valid facts that prove the Bush administration is cracking down on pornographers. Could this merel be because of 9-11 and terrorism?? Possibly. But the reality is Bush has done no more then Clinton in this area.

It is amazing how liberals cannot argue facts, they have to go with emotional rants to try and prove a point.

[Almighty Colin]

Bush backed COPA, created a "protection from pornography week" and the Justice Department created 32 positions with the intent of prosecuting anti-obscenity cases. The statements coming lately and recently from those at the Justice Department are fair warning. The Conservatives are at the gates.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Colin@Jun 21 2004, 09:53 AM
Bush backed COPA, created a "protection from pornography week" and the Justice Department created 32 positions with the intent of prosecuting anti-obscenity cases. The statements coming lately and recently from those at the Justice Department are fair warning. The Conservatives are at the gates.
I support COPA. The less free porn that was on the net, the more money we would all make.

"protection for pornography week" sounds like something that has been done every year by every President. It is like Flag Day, or Secretaries Day.

The prosecutors they have hired is the only legitimate sign. Myabe the are going to be tasked with getting KP? There are some things being produced now that do cross the line. How many federal prosecutors are there in the US? What percentage is 32?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 21 2004, 10:02 AM
I support COPA. The less free porn that was on the net, the more money we would all make.

"protection for pornography week" sounds like something that has been done every year by every President. It is like Flag Day, or Secretaries Day.

The prosecutors they have hired is the only legitimate sign. Myabe the are going to be tasked with getting KP? There are some things being produced now that do cross the line. How many federal prosecutors are there in the US? What percentage is 32?
Both Bush and Clinton backed COPA and it is telling that federal courts found the bill to be unconstitutional. Certainly, there is hardly a politician who is a friend of porn. Some of the legislation like this has been proposed by democrats and some by republicans.

The 32 prosecutors were only very recently hired and there are more funds proposed for 2005. I don't think Bruce Taylor was hired for no reason at all.

We've been stuck with this pathetic definition of obscenity for 3 decades. It's absurd. One doesn't even know when one is breaking the law. That to me is where a change needs to be made.

[RawAlex]

Can anyone say "meese commission".

The average pornographer can be put on the spot so quickly it would make you sick.

http://eserver.org/cultronix/califia/meese/

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 21 2004, 11:17 AM
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Alex
Are you advocating a march on Washington?

[sarettah]

The million pornographer march !!!!!

:yowsa:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 21 2004, 11:26 AM
The million pornographer march !!!!!

:yowsa:
:ph34r: :rokk: :zoinks:

[RawAlex]

Nope, just pointing out the last time you had a republican president, a religeous AG, and a national cold spell against sex / porn / adult stuff, you got meese, and many many people got screwed over.

He didn't have the staff that Assclown has.

Alex

[Mike AI]

There will be no Meese Commission version 2. The first one was a failure.

Porn is out of the bottle, never is going to be put back. Only thing Gov't can do is got after kiddie, and extreme stuff, and maybe pick off little guys who do not have their acts together. ( 2257 and such)

[RawAlex]

Mike, I am sure they won't go the meese route, but they are planning an attack... and they are more likely to make that attack during a second mandate (less to lose, a president can do most of the unpopular things at the start of that mandate).

Mike, if you think "legal porn" will get a pass, your kidding yourself. They will almost certainly use any possible means to get to the movers and shakers of this industry. Zoning (do you have a business permit for your home office? Are home based businesses legal in your area?) retail licensing, model releases, payroll, taxes, whatever. Assclown hates porn, and will use any tool he has to try to squish all of us.

Obscenity is just the front door way... there are so many windows, backdoors, and skylights they can some through.

Alex

[Rolo]

I agree that they will overall try (some will say continue?) and hit the supply chain instead of trying the obscenity argument...

They want to control the size, content, practices etc. of the industry - I think they will fail, but that will probably not stop them for trying.

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jun 20 2004, 07:04 AM
Kerry is a yes man unfortunatly....

I believe once he is in power that will change, but I am disheartened by his willingness to say what he believes is what the people want to hear as an answear rather than what he fells is the right answear!

but I still believe he is the better overall choice to lead us out of the problems we are facing today.
Cummon man, almost every politician says what he believes the people want him to say, otherwise he'd have no use for 'advisers'.