More Hooper spyware drama.

[Mike AI]

Apparently Hooper is do desperate to get more tool bars installed, he is trying to do it to webmasters from his progam.

Here is a screen cap. Notice how he is trying to pass it off as a windows media update? I wonder what microsoft would think about that?

http://64.226.213.48/temp/quickscam.gif

[Edd]

Things That Make You Go....... COCKSUCKER!!!

[mojobill]

ya.. thats getting slammed pretty hard at the moment, on that OTHER board.....


.....sad....

[RawAlex]

I am surprised the government is on this one - that ain't no freaking media player - it's scumware.

Alex

[pushpills]

Scandelous.


who's his search partner?

[chodadog]

That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. I remember a while ago, MS sued a bunch of spammers for sending out emails with a microsoft.com return address. This is worse, in my opinion.

[gonzo]

Its a feature laden windows upgrade. THey are taking over the internet last Friday....didnt you hear Wiseman bragging in San Diego?

I guess Hooper got bored again and he decided to make some more moeny off of his mule webmasters.

[BradShaw]

Gonzo, are you still looking for work? Send me your resume.


The internet police are hiring!

[spanno]

anyone that uses MSIE deserves a toolbar!

thats my 15cents an install

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 17 2004, 02:29 PM
Gonzo, are you still looking for work? Send me your resume.


The internet police are hiring!
I already do police work.
But you should address that to Mike...he found it not me.
Hows Hoopers cock taste today?

Ive got a job ap in Canada right now....if all goes well Ill be able to tell you about it firsthand!

[wiseman]

We in no way are Chicken of popping our heads up here..
We just don't like it here...
Mike is having fun trying to make things up about us stealing traffic and what have you.
We are stealing nothing from anyone..
Fact of the matter is yes we do have a tool bar which is pretty laid back tool bar.
Fact if you have a problem with the tool bar please lobby your congress.
Other wise we will continue to do buisness as we do..
***Matter of fact is no way in hell are you advertiing this here...***

Aslo we are looking for some more people to send some quantity traffic to.. so let me know!

[Vick]

Originally posted by wiseman@Jun 17 2004, 05:55 PM
We in no way are Chicken of popping our heads up here..
We just don't like it here...

That's good as no one cares about you

ah ha ha ha

:D


and from my understanding your toolbar is scumware

Scum is as Scum does

[Mike AI]

Wiseman, nice post but you are wrong.

Gonzo broke down Hooper toolbar with Kevin Mitnick ( maybe you recognize the name) and it was evaluated to be scumware.


Does your toolbar check back to your servers?
Can it be updated with new features on the fly?
Why do you try and trick people into thinking it is a microsoft windows media update?
The screen cap above fake? or were you guys trying to install on webmaster computers? ( fake media update)


Hypothetically, even if your toolbar is not stealing clicks and viewers, it certainly could turn into that pretty quickly and on the fly.

So when you hit a certain amount of installs you flip a swtich and start playing games then.

As far as laws, I have seen Utah's new one. You may want to start geofiltering people from Utah out, because you are breaking the law there.

Other states will follow suit.

[masterp74]

90% of computers don't know crap about their computer. fooling the common folk is just wrong.

[cj]

Originally posted by wiseman@Jun 17 2004, 05:55 PM
Aslo we are looking for some more people to send some quantity traffic to.. so let me know!
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

'we are looking for more people to send some quantity traffic to'

LMAO

quantity traffic anyone?!? anyone?!?!

its quantity!!!! you know, the thing people do when they can't do quality!!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh:


I just found an affiliate of celebrity bling who is installing toolbars ... the traffic is QUANTITY, the email I send him telling him to fuck off will be QUALITY :okthumb:

[RawAlex]

Okay, here is a challenge (and a good business) for anyone inclined:

Write an autodownloading toolbar remover.

Time to go to war. Take the traffic, don't pay for it, and remove the toolbars at the same time.

:agrin:

Alex

[cj]

Gonzo, I think Alex just created a job for Kevin's crew ;-)

Get them to make it and i'll market it packed with all of my sites - buy a membership and we'll clean up your pc for free :yowsa:

the trick is, can he get it microsoft endorsed as the solution for the world's toolbar problems!? :groucho:

[Vick]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 17 2004, 06:56 PM
I just found an affiliate of celebrity bling who is installing toolbars ... the traffic is QUANTITY, the email I send him telling him to fuck off will be QUALITY :okthumb:
Good one CJ


Sweet idea Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 17 2004, 07:16 PM
Gonzo, I think Alex just created a job for Kevin's crew ;-)

Get them to make it and i'll market it packed with all of my sites - buy a membership and we'll clean up your pc for free :yowsa:

the trick is, can he get it microsoft endorsed as the solution for the world's toolbar problems!? :groucho:


I would distribute this as well!!

Free the Internet!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by masterp74@Jun 17 2004, 07:41 PM
90% of computers don't know crap about their computer. fooling the common folk is just wrong.
:unsure:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jun 17 2004, 08:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jun 17 2004, 08:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Jun 17 2004, 07:41 PM
90% of computers don't know crap about their computer. fooling the common folk is just wrong.
:unsure:[/b][/quote]
...I figured you was going to tell us Hooper was right.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jun 17 2004, 08:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jun 17 2004, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jun 17 2004, 07:16 PM
Gonzo, I think Alex just created a job for Kevin's crew ;-)

Get them to make it and i'll market it packed with all of my sites - buy a membership and we'll clean up your pc for free :yowsa:

the trick is, can he get it microsoft endorsed as the solution for the world's toolbar problems!? :groucho:


I would distribute this as well!!

Free the Internet![/b][/quote]
I will see what it I can do... they are motivated to get rid of this shit as much as we are....

I heard an interesting stroy about one of these toolbars with Wiseman lurking wearing that same Quickbucks wifebeater he was in all damn week
[I may be broke and unemployeed but youd think with all that money those boys could get a decent haircut and a change of clothes] I think it was Sykk telling me that he got one of those toolbars but unlike Hoopers there was full instructions on how to remove it...and at the end when it was all gone it gave you a morality message on NOT to surf internet porn again if you didnt want another toolbar.

Or dont go check your quickbucks stats.

Hey Brad...you can pay for all those Louis Vitton purses you had to buy...add your cocksucking buddy Hoopers toolbar on the front of your program.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 17 2004, 07:01 PM
Okay, here is a challenge (and a good business) for anyone inclined:

Write an autodownloading toolbar remover.

Time to go to war. Take the traffic, don't pay for it, and remove the toolbars at the same time.

:agrin:

Alex
The trace buster buster...


I'm thinking it's time to give Firefox a serious look. This week's release is supposed to be pretty hot, though I haven't tried it yet.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by wiseman@Jun 17 2004, 05:55 PM
We in no way are Chicken of popping our heads up here..
We just don't like it here...
Mike is having fun trying to make things up about us stealing traffic and what have you.
We are stealing nothing from anyone..
Fact of the matter is yes we do have a tool bar which is pretty laid back tool bar.
Fact if you have a problem with the tool bar please lobby your congress.
Other wise we will continue to do buisness as we do..
***Matter of fact is no way in hell are you advertiing this here...***

Aslo we are looking for some more people to send some quantity traffic to.. so let me know!
wiseman....now there's a misnomer if i ever saw one.

dont know you, but based on this message, stupidfuck seems to fit better.

i mean come on, you're caught red handed here, we're not stupid. it's like you farted and the whole room smells like shit and everyone saw you raise up and actually heard you blow the butt bugle. he who denied it, supplied it!

your laid back toolbar is scumware, it's been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

and how the fuck can you deny that download prompt in mike's screenshot is anything but totally misleading?

i dont care what you say, that warm water running down our back that smells like stale coffee and asparagus is NOT rain....

you and your boss are fucking scum who have become so addicted by the almighty dollar that you have lost all sense of right and wrong. you're worse than the common criminal on the street because you already have money and the means to make a more honest living. but instead you fuck up people's computers for a few extra pennies.

it's sad really.



Last edited by Hell Puppy at Jun 17 2004, 09:24 PM

[cj]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

oh my god that was so spot on

*standing ovation*

[Vick]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Jun 17 2004, 09:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Jun 17 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wiseman@Jun 17 2004, 05:55 PM
We in no way are Chicken of popping our heads up here..
We just don't like it here...
Mike is having fun trying to make things up about us stealing traffic and what have you.
We are stealing nothing from anyone..
Fact of the matter is yes we do have a tool bar which is pretty laid back tool bar.
Fact if you have a problem with the tool bar please lobby your congress.
Other wise we will continue to do buisness as we do..
***Matter of fact is no way in hell are you advertiing this here...***

Aslo we are looking for some more people to send some quantity traffic to.. so let me know!
wiseman....now there's a misnomer if i ever saw one.

dont know you, but based on this message, stupidfuck seems to fit better.

i mean come on, you're caught red handed here, we're not stupid. it's like you farted and the whole room smells like shit and everyone saw you raise up and actually heard you blow the butt bugle. he who denied it, supplied it!

your laid back toolbar is scumware, it's been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

and how the fuck can you deny that download prompt in mike's screenshot is anything but totally misleading?

i dont care what you say, that warm water running down our back that smells like stale coffee and asparagus is NOT rain....

you and your boss are fucking scum who have become so addicted by the almighty dollar that you have lost all sense of right and wrong. you're worse than the common criminal on the street because you already have money and the means to make a more honest living. but instead you fuck up people's computers for a few extra pennies.

it's sad really.[/b][/quote]
I agree with that post but Funny thing ......

... but we posted things to the same effect about spam and some billing practices about 4 years ago

Hmmmmm

[BradShaw]

Funny, a few of those whinging about toolbars here are the same people looking to have toolbars designed.

Hooper is just ahead of you guys. You have already sold your sould long ago, stop trying to look clean.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 17 2004, 10:00 PM

I agree with that post but Funny thing ......

... but we posted things to the same effect about spam and some billing practices about 4 years ago

Hmmmmm
The only saving grace is the government moves very slow and doesn't understand the internet.

However, you make a good point. Spam is now so out of control that email is virtually unusable and people are actually wanting the government to get involved and do something about it. And billing has been raped so hard that we're clinging to the ability to sell a user a membership via credit card by the skin of our teeth.

Yet, we as an industry still haven't learned the lesson as we still tolerate fuckers who push the envelope too far instead of sending them out of town tied to the back of the same mule we'd send a kiddie porn peddler out on.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 18 2004, 12:03 AM
Funny, a few of those whinging about toolbars here are the same people looking to have toolbars designed.

Hooper is just ahead of you guys. You have already sold your sould long ago, stop trying to look clean.
Not like you to be timid Brad, name names....

[wiseman]

I didnt wear a quickbuck shirt the hole time!
And my fat ass wouldnt be caught in a tank top of any sort!!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 18 2004, 12:03 AM
Funny, a few of those whinging about toolbars here are the same people looking to have toolbars designed.

Hooper is just ahead of you guys. You have already sold your sould long ago, stop trying to look clean.
nah nobody here would copy anyones idea...

[Soul_Rebel]

too risky thing to do its not even funny

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 18 2004, 12:03 AM
Funny, a few of those whinging about toolbars here are the same people looking to have toolbars designed.

Hooper is just ahead of you guys. You have already sold your sould long ago, stop trying to look clean.
Brad, glad to see you follow my foot steps and finally starting traveling, but....I NEVER involved myself with business on vacation, even in 2 mils a montrh years.

go enjoy IOtaly you putz,
Hooper's dick will always be here when you return, carnutto
;-)))

[cj]

Originally posted by wiseman@Jun 18 2004, 12:42 AM
I didnt wear a quickbuck shirt the hole time!
And my fat ass wouldnt be caught in a tank top of any sort!!
of all the things to defend yourself against ........

:rolleyes:

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 17 2004, 11:29 AM
Gonzo, are you still looking for work? Send me your resume.


The internet police are hiring!
Weasle sucks :rokk:

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Vick+Jun 17 2004, 07:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jun 17 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Hell Puppy@Jun 17 2004, 09:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--wiseman@Jun 17 2004, 05:55 PM
We in no way are Chicken of popping our heads up here..
We just don't like it here...
Mike is having fun trying to make things up about us stealing traffic and what have you.
We are stealing nothing from anyone..
Fact of the matter is yes we do have a tool bar which is pretty laid back tool bar.
Fact if you have a problem with the tool bar please lobby your congress.
Other wise we will continue to do buisness as we do..
***Matter of fact is no way in hell are you advertiing this here...***

Aslo we are looking for some more people to send some quantity traffic to.. so let me know!
wiseman....now there's a misnomer if i ever saw one.

dont know you, but based on this message, stupidfuck seems to fit better.

i mean come on, you're caught red handed here, we're not stupid. it's like you farted and the whole room smells like shit and everyone saw you raise up and actually heard you blow the butt bugle. he who denied it, supplied it!

your laid back toolbar is scumware, it's been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

and how the fuck can you deny that download prompt in mike's screenshot is anything but totally misleading?

i dont care what you say, that warm water running down our back that smells like stale coffee and asparagus is NOT rain....

you and your boss are fucking scum who have become so addicted by the almighty dollar that you have lost all sense of right and wrong. you're worse than the common criminal on the street because you already have money and the means to make a more honest living. but instead you fuck up people's computers for a few extra pennies.

it's sad really.
I agree with that post but Funny thing ......

... but we posted things to the same effect about spam and some billing practices about 4 years ago

Hmmmmm[/b][/quote]
I am with you a 100% on this one Vick!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jun 18 2004, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jun 18 2004, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Brad "little weasel" Shaw@Jun 17 2004, 11:29 AM
Gonzo, are you still looking for work? Send me your resume.


The internet police are hiring!
Weasle sucks :rokk:[/b][/quote]
http://www.awrats.com/weaselsignal.jpg

[Brad Mitchell]

All I have to say on the subject is Karma's a bitch, guys.

:nyanya:

Brad

[Nickatilynx]

Look , some of us are lovable rogues , OK? I could market this and get applauded for it ;-)))

And , as a student of history , I look back on the heat I took for allowing members of CONDOM to have console pop ups (shock horror probe) , then for allowing blind links , then for mailing a lil bit......etc etc etc

all the moral majority ( or as I refer to them , "poor people") came out swinging ;-))))

half the people bitching here about hooper's "scumware" will be doing the same thing soon is my guess.

Not saying I think its a great thing or whatever , just stating what history has taught me.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 18 2004, 11:04 AM
Look , some of us are lovable rogues , OK? I could market this and get applauded for it ;-)))

And , as a student of history , I look back on the heat I took for allowing members of CONDOM to have console pop ups (shock horror probe) , then for allowing blind links , then for mailing a lil bit......etc etc etc

all the moral majority ( or as I refer to them , "poor people") came out swinging ;-))))

half the people bitching here about hooper's "scumware" will be doing the same thing soon is my guess.

Not saying I think its a great thing or whatever , just stating what history has taught me.
The reality is, if the federal gov't does not step in, or some major companies start sueing ( microsoft) it may become a neccessity to create andd distribute scumware just to stay in busniess.

DirectNIC gets at least a dozen e-mail a day dealing with scumware, people are getting redirected all the time.

It is going to be a major issue. I think it is much more invasive then spam and pop-ups ever were.

[DrGuile]

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-523...0.html?tag=e019 (http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-5239000.html?tag=e019)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jun 18 2004, 08:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jun 18 2004, 08:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jun 18 2004, 11:04 AM
Look , some of us are lovable rogues , OK? I could market this and get applauded for it ;-)))

And , as a student of history , I look back on the heat I took for allowing members of CONDOM to have console pop ups (shock horror probe) , then for allowing blind links , then for mailing a lil bit......etc etc etc

all the moral majority ( or as I refer to them , "poor people") came out swinging ;-))))

half the people bitching here about hooper's "scumware" will be doing the same thing soon is my guess.

Not saying I think its a great thing or whatever , just stating what history has taught me.
The reality is, if the federal gov't does not step in, or some major companies start sueing ( microsoft) it may become a neccessity to create andd distribute scumware just to stay in busniess.

DirectNIC gets at least a dozen e-mail a day dealing with scumware, people are getting redirected all the time.

It is going to be a major issue. I think it is much more invasive then spam and pop-ups ever were.[/b][/quote]
I agree Mike , and I see you have already interjected your own caveat

it may become a neccessity to create andd distribute scumware just to stay in busniess.


in case YOU have/decide too ;-))))))

gov't or megacorps taking action?

We both know they will take action , BUT by the time they do the cream will have been scooped. Again history shows us this.

[gonzo]

Looks like govt has taken notice....Wiseman was right....

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-523...0.html?tag=e019 (http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-5239000.html?tag=e019)

[JoesHO]

What about a class action civil suit? I am sure many people are harmed business wise by these actions.....

[cj]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 18 2004, 11:04 AM
Look , some of us are lovable rogues , OK? I could market this and get applauded for it ;-)))

And , as a student of history , I look back on the heat I took for allowing members of CONDOM to have console pop ups (shock horror probe) , then for allowing blind links , then for mailing a lil bit......etc etc etc

all the moral majority ( or as I refer to them , "poor people") came out swinging ;-))))

half the people bitching here about hooper's "scumware" will be doing the same thing soon is my guess.

Not saying I think its a great thing or whatever , just stating what history has taught me.
Nick, notice how few of the webmasters on this board (or any other) *actually* do business with you?

You only get applauded because you are amusing, not for your business ideas.

[gonzo]

Jayman of Netpond said this last week...

...the perfect adult webmaster would have

1. The charm of Nick
2. The tounge of Serge
3. The business sense and integrity of Mike AI

[RawAlex]

4. and a wife like MikeAI. :-)

Alex

[Dravyk]

Just to keep it going ...

5. FM's money
6. RB's looks
7. Shemp's traffic
8. Nick's "lists"

:D

[sarettah]

You too can be a cockholster and have your own toolbar.

http://www.webtoolbars.com/signup.asp

They even have an affiliate program......... :blink:

[cj]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 18 2004, 07:08 PM
Jayman of Netpond said this last week...

...the perfect adult webmaster would have

1. The charm of Nick
2. The tounge of Serge
3. The business sense and integrity of Mike AI
:wnw:

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 18 2004, 09:06 PM
You too can be a cockholster and have your own toolbar.

http://www.webtoolbars.com/signup.asp

They even have an affiliate program......... :blink:
That aint a toolbar, that's a glorified floater....

[grimm]

Originally posted by sarettah+Jun 18 2004, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Jun 18 2004, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JoesHO1@Jun 18 2004, 09:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Brad "little weasel" Shaw@Jun 17 2004, 11:29 AM
Gonzo, are you still looking for work? Send me your resume.


The internet police are hiring!
Weasle sucks :rokk:
http://www.awrats.com/weaselsignal.jpg[/b][/quote]
"I go to sleep each night to the sound of my screams...I wake up each morning to the sound of my screams...."


is that from "House of Leaves"?

[grimm]

Originally posted by cj+Jun 18 2004, 06:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jun 18 2004, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Jun 18 2004, 07:08 PM
Jayman of Netpond said this last week...

...the perfect adult webmaster would have

1. The charm of Nick
2. The tounge of Serge
3. The business sense and integrity of Mike AI
:wnw:[/b][/quote]
LOL:)

Integrity of MikeAI i can vouch for!

I am unable to comment on serge's toungue:)

And charm is one quality i can acknowledge with nick, could charm the painkillers off of a burn victim;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 18 2004, 05:17 PM
4. and a wife like MikeAI. :-)

Alex
Don't be fooled, shes a rental, the wedding was staged;)


seriously though, Mike landing happily married with such a great girl boggles the mind. the rumors must be true!:) LOL

[Mike AI]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Grimm I am getting into NO this thursday for the weekend. Lets get together for dinner and drinks!!

[Buff]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 18 2004, 07:17 PM
4. and a wife like MikeAI. :-)

Alex
Mike is a little too hairy for me. I'd rather have a wife like Colin.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 18 2004, 11:14 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Grimm I am getting into NO this thursday for the weekend. Lets get together for dinner and drinks!!
<--- chopped liver?

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 18 2004, 05:30 PM
Just to keep it going ...

5. FM's money
6. RB's looks
7. Shemp's traffic
8. Nick's "lists"

:D
9. (tie) MikeFold's and Bangwang's friendliness (must be a worn out asshole thing)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by grimm@Jun 18 2004, 11:30 PM
"I go to sleep each night to the sound of my screams...I wake up each morning to the sound of my screams...."


is that from "House of Leaves"?
Nopers....

It's from South Park :yowsa:

[Nickatilynx]

And charm is one quality i can acknowledge with nick, could charm the painkillers off of a burn victim;)

awww shucks. LOL

But you are no slouch yoursellf.

I believe that you wrote back to my lawyers concerning an offer I made you once , which obviously you considered too low, the following.

"Tell Nick to fuck off"

charming , succinct and to the point ;-)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto+Jun 19 2004, 04:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (XXXPhoto @ Jun 19 2004, 04:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Jun 18 2004, 05:30 PM
Just to keep it going ...

5. FM's money
6. RB's looks
7. Shemp's traffic
8. Nick's "lists"

:D
9. (tie) MikeFold's and Bangwang's friendliness (must be a worn out asshole thing)[/b][/quote]
I thought you were going to say mustaches

:D

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by Vick+Jun 19 2004, 06:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jun 19 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -XXXPhoto@Jun 19 2004, 04:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Jun 18 2004, 05:30 PM
Just to keep it going ...

5. FM's money
6. RB's looks
7. Shemp's traffic
8. Nick's "lists"

:D
9. (tie) MikeFold's and Bangwang's friendliness (must be a worn out asshole thing)
I thought you were going to say mustaches

:D[/b][/quote]
Depends...

[*KK*]

OMG Grimmster!!!!

On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...

[cj]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 19 2004, 10:22 PM
On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...
and look where that got us

[Vick]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto+Jun 19 2004, 09:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (XXXPhoto @ Jun 19 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Vick@Jun 19 2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by -XXXPhoto@Jun 19 2004, 04:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Jun 18 2004, 05:30 PM
Just to keep it going ...

5. FM's money
6. RB's looks
7. Shemp's traffic
8. Nick's "lists"

:D
9. (tie) MikeFold's and Bangwang's friendliness (must be a worn out asshole thing)
I thought you were going to say mustaches

:D
Depends...[/b][/quote]
Do I dare ask ....

... what size

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 19 2004, 09:14 PM

Do I dare ask ....

... what size
No clue... would give Bang the shirt off my back but damned if going to change his drawers... lol

[*KK*]

Originally posted by cj+Jun 19 2004, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jun 19 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jun 19 2004, 10:22 PM
On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...
and look where that got us[/b][/quote]
I'll ask some of your old bosses about it ;)

At the end of the day, the cats out of the bag. As with most things, once the fools at the bottom of the food chain start doing something, the money's all gone out of it.

Look at spam. I know how many people bought processor lists and everything else to start spamming once the word got out about how much you could make and times started getting tight in other revenue areas.

Look at crazy cross sells. Once you give them to everyone, it's all over. I don't mean decent ones that a surfer might actually enjoy, I mean people selling shit that comes with a 5%+ chargeback rate.

Look at tgps, mgps, circle jerks, blind links, pop ups, popunders, exit consoles and anything else that ever made money to the first few people who were doing it big and doing it right.

Spyware's been around for at least 3+ years that I know of, and when it was just a few people experimenting with it, it wasn't all that bad. Now that everyone and their brother is doing it, I figure that a good 30% of the traffic out there is being diverted to other places, and the battle is between the people writing the programs, to try and keep theirs the dominant one.

Toss a few fools into the mix that have no clue what they are doing and you end up with a total clusterfuck and boxes that don't work, governments stepping in and a bunch of frustrated surfers. The reality of it is that if Microsoft themselves do not step up the pace against all the crap out there, they will lose market share to other companies at a rate that will become alarming when it picks up speed.

As a legitimate business person today, I'd be looking at DRM for my content and keeping an eye on my processing. The first one is what, imo, might actually create a situation where people can make money again. The second one is of course the Achilles heel in any enterprise and with all the crap going on right now with investigations here, banks pulling out there and the like, it's going to get better before it gets worse.

Of course every product I deal with these days is either a DRM or a processing related situation, and my best consulting customers are the ones who are looking at the future from this angle...

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 19 2004, 10:22 PM


On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...
...anything for a buck eh?
Look at it this way... when a surfer wont click on ANYTHING that smells like adult for fear of spam, double charges, and scumware.....what you going to process then?

[Hell Puppy]

I can hardly wait to see who the first "clever" person to figure out a way to abuse the shit out of DRM is, rape himself a fortune from it and render the technology unviable for the long term.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Jun 20 2004, 07:00 PM
I can hardly wait to see who the first "clever" person to figure out a way to abuse the shit out of DRM is, rape himself a fortune from it and render the technology unviable for the long term.
I think Epassport does DRM styled transactions!

[cj]

Originally posted by *KK*+Jun 20 2004, 06:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Jun 20 2004, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -cj@Jun 19 2004, 09:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jun 19 2004, 10:22 PM
On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...
and look where that got us
I'll ask some of your old bosses about it ;)
[/b][/quote]
that should be easy, I hear you have kept in touch with them all - a lot more than I have :okthumb:

some of us learn from our mistakes, some of us reminisc about what came before and keep trying to replicate it ...

While your employers are making money currently from processing for spyware traffic, and you are defending this technology at every possible opportunity, it will be the little clients who pay for it when epoch falls on their ass from the problems it causes. Shit on the little guys so you can have that 30% of traffic.

Its good that you are all working together though, makes it easier for the ftc to see what you are up to :okthumb:

Of all the people who should have learned caution, you publicly support programs manipulating a users computer to be almost unusable for the programs financial gain ... who exactly is going to surf your DRMed content you are working so hard with your clients to provide if 30%+ of computers don't work properly?

like you said, a few fools come along and ruin a potentially good business model. hooper & the current generation of spyware makers are the fools. this is what we've been saying all along ...

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by cj+Jun 20 2004, 07:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jun 20 2004, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -*KK*@Jun 20 2004, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by -cj@Jun 19 2004, 09:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jun 19 2004, 10:22 PM
On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...
and look where that got us
I'll ask some of your old bosses about it ;)

that should be easy, I hear you have kept in touch with them all - a lot more than I have :okthumb:

some of us learn from our mistakes, some of us reminisc about what came before and keep trying to replicate it ...

While your employers are making money currently from processing for spyware traffic, and you are defending this technology at every possible opportunity, it will be the little clients who pay for it when epoch falls on their ass from the problems it causes. Shit on the little guys so you can have that 30% of traffic.

Its good that you are all working together though, makes it easier for the ftc to see what you are up to :okthumb:

Of all the people who should have learned caution, you publicly support programs manipulating a users computer to be almost unusable for the programs financial gain ... who exactly is going to surf your DRMed content you are working so hard with your clients to provide if 30%+ of computers don't work properly?

like you said, a few fools come along and ruin a potentially good business model. hooper & the current generation of spyware makers are the fools. this is what we've been saying all along ...[/b][/quote]


:wnw: :wnw:

CJ Speaks with the passion of the converted!!

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

Keep telling it baby!!!

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

I see lawsuits in the near future. Once the sharks smell
some blood - this could become the next tabacco suit!

[JR]

funny how this industry is driven by scams and not by offering value to users like any normal business person should be striving to do.

[PeerPatrick]

i hate spam, spammers, except the ones who I hang out with, know (of) or the ones who send me traffic and that goes doubly for the scumware folk.

:inlove: :salute:

[grimm]

Originally posted by Buff+Jun 18 2004, 10:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Jun 18 2004, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Jun 18 2004, 11:14 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Grimm I am getting into NO this thursday for the weekend. Lets get together for dinner and drinks!!
<--- chopped liver?[/b][/quote]
more like catfood;)


you can have an appetizer if you wash and park our cars during the main course;)


Mike... Saturday night is set.

[grimm]

Originally posted by cj+Jun 20 2004, 04:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jun 20 2004, 04:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -*KK*@Jun 20 2004, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by -cj@Jun 19 2004, 09:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jun 19 2004, 10:22 PM
On the topic, I dont see how this is any different than anything else that's come before...
and look where that got us
I'll ask some of your old bosses about it ;)

that should be easy, I hear you have kept in touch with them all - a lot more than I have :okthumb:

some of us learn from our mistakes, some of us reminisc about what came before and keep trying to replicate it ...

While your employers are making money currently from processing for spyware traffic, and you are defending this technology at every possible opportunity, it will be the little clients who pay for it when epoch falls on their ass from the problems it causes. Shit on the little guys so you can have that 30% of traffic.

Its good that you are all working together though, makes it easier for the ftc to see what you are up to :okthumb:

Of all the people who should have learned caution, you publicly support programs manipulating a users computer to be almost unusable for the programs financial gain ... who exactly is going to surf your DRMed content you are working so hard with your clients to provide if 30%+ of computers don't work properly?

like you said, a few fools come along and ruin a potentially good business model. hooper & the current generation of spyware makers are the fools. this is what we've been saying all along ...[/b][/quote]
cj Posted: Jun 20 2004, 04:38 PM



NO, you can NOT marry me





Really?:) That's ok, marriage wasn't in the cards, but there are a lot of cards;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 19 2004, 01:44 PM
And charm is one quality i can acknowledge with nick, could charm the painkillers off of a burn victim;)

awww shucks. LOL

But you are no slouch yoursellf.

I believe that you wrote back to my lawyers concerning an offer I made you once , which obviously you considered too low, the following.

"Tell Nick to fuck off"

charming , succinct and to the point ;-)))
Im as smooth as sandpaper, have the charm of a railroad tie...thats the best i can come up with i guess;)


My mother taught me "if you don;t have anything nice to say. don't say anything at all"


fortunately i figured out how to be nice in four letter words;)

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by grimm+Jun 21 2004, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jun 21 2004, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Jun 18 2004, 10:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Jun 18 2004, 11:14 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Grimm I am getting into NO this thursday for the weekend. Lets get together for dinner and drinks!!
<--- chopped liver?
more like catfood;)


you can have an appetizer if you wash and park our cars during the main course;)


Mike... Saturday night is set.[/b][/quote]


Cool - we need to work on the details!

[pushpills]

Hooper isn't the only one doing spyware. Alot of what he does is just as bad as other peoples practice. Quite a few mailers hit 10 year olds with Tranny spam every day.


But when you wan't to send traffic to these types, remember, they are looking to fuck people hard, so if you are a webmaster, think about if you'd really be on the un-fucked list.

And I don't like hooper one bit, just saying, his scumware is on a long list of surfer fucking tactics. He worships the same god as all of us, the almighty dollar.

[gonzo]

http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.p...threadid=315539 (http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=315539)

[BradShaw]

Mr. Internet Police, Hooper is hiring. I know you need a job. Oprano does not pay you enough to make an ass out of yourself online and at shows?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jun 21 2004, 02:21 PM
Hooper isn't the only one doing spyware. Alot of what he does is just as bad as other peoples practice. Quite a few mailers hit 10 year olds with Tranny spam every day.


But when you wan't to send traffic to these types, remember, they are looking to fuck people hard, so if you are a webmaster, think about if you'd really be on the un-fucked list.

And I don't like hooper one bit, just saying, his scumware is on a long list of surfer fucking tactics. He worships the same god as all of us, the almighty dollar.


Hooper is one amoung many. Lot of deep pockets. Since the Feds are taking too long to regulate, it maybe time for the sharks to get involved.

Once they smell blood, it could get ugly. Combining Class Action with RICO could be devistating.

Best thing about this is an enterprising person could raise an army of sharks and not have to put out any $$$. Sometimes contingency can work.

[Winetalk.com]

weasel,
WHY are you so dumb?

you don't have to answer this,
it's a retorical question.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 21 2004, 04:41 PM
Mr. Internet Police, Hooper is hiring. I know you need a job. Oprano does not pay you enough to make an ass out of yourself online and at shows?
Dearest "future" daddy---

Im so glad that your worried about my well being. I was afraid that after you said you wouldnt piss on me if I was on fire it meant the love affair was over.

But honestly you have more pressing things to worry about than my current unemployment. Make sure that your legal staff is well rounded and your accountant is very trustworthy.

BTW whens the SICCASH toolbar coming out?

[Vick]

Hmmmm .....

Is there $ to be made in anti-toolbar software

Kind of like spam blockers?

Don't think the returns will be as high as toobars but interesting to consider

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 21 2004, 05:52 PM
Hmmmm .....

Is there $ to be made in anti-toolbar software

Kind of like spam blockers?

Don't think the returns will be as high as toobars but interesting to consider
Hey Vick,

There could be money to be made. Unfortunately, much like spyware, toolbars come in many shapes and flavors and whoever does a tool for them has to manage to keep up with them (Like the viruses and the antiviruses).

Known toolbars would not be that hard to write against.

In response to the rest of the thread, unfortunately, it is hard to get action taken when Microsoft and AOL are two of the loudest voices AGAINST spyware and toolbar legislation. They use the technology that makes these things possible extensively throughout their products and tahy are not, anytime soon change that direction.

[*KK*]

I'm still trying to figure out how I'm supporting spyware and who actually might be my employer. I thought you all realized by now I'm such a bitch in the office that no one wants me to come in all day.

My comment is, and was in my last post, very simple. I will make it even more so.

It will be funny as hell to see who's got their own toolbar or whatever distribution for their own spyware shortly that has been crying like a girl now.

It's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 21 2004, 07:18 PM

It will be funny as hell to see who's got their own toolbar or whatever distribution for their own spyware shortly that has been crying like a girl now.

It's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
Yup, every program fucking up surfers machines to the point of making them unusable....it's gonna be hysterical!

:yowsa: :cdance: :bjump: :bwave: :bdance: :rokk:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Jun 21 2004, 05:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Jun 21 2004, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jun 21 2004, 07:18 PM

It will be funny as hell to see who's got their own toolbar or whatever distribution for their own spyware shortly that has been crying like a girl now.

It's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.
Yup, every program fucking up surfers machines to the point of making them unusable....it's gonna be hysterical!

:yowsa: :cdance: :bjump: :bwave: :bdance: :rokk:[/b][/quote]
Absolutely in agreement!!!

LOL

You just have to study the history of the adult internet...

KK,

:okthumb:

[Mike AI]

KK, this is Oprano - home of the no spin zone.

Name a name.

[RawAlex]

Vick, there is money in making a "browser help object" manager, something that can pop up before a new BHO is installed and say "hey, do you want to install what is probably a piece of shit spyware?" Something that checks things like the hosts file, the DNS servers being used, etc, and points on when they are being changed from the originals to keep people on the straight and narrow.

I think there might also be a market in creating false files that make the spyware people think their shit is already installed, so they won't install it again.

Looking at how fast (in political terms) the US house and senate are coming to terms with this, I think this has made top of mind awareness all over, which makes it a very short lived situation.

Alex

[cj]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 21 2004, 07:18 PM
It will be funny as hell to see who's got their own toolbar or whatever distribution for their own spyware shortly that has been crying like a girl now.
I think you have us mixed up with Brad!!!!!

This is the no bullshit zone ... the place where people don't talk out of both sides of their face at the same time. I don't think that many people *here* spoke out against consoles, cross sells or spam - because we were all doing it first.

Who *exactly* of those of us who have spoken out against toolbars do you think will be distributing their own spyware soon?

Its not like you to sit on the fence :groucho: :P

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 22 2004, 04:24 AM


Its not like you to sit on the fence :groucho: :P
if fence is wooden and wide,
rubbing against it while sitting on it might produce very pleasant results
;-)))

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 22 2004, 04:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 22 2004, 04:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jun 22 2004, 04:24 AM


Its not like you to sit on the fence :groucho: :P
if fence is wooden and wide,
rubbing against it while sitting on it might produce very pleasant results
;-)))[/b][/quote]
....Im sure some dollar bills fall off if you rub it hard enough.
Once them splinters start poping out its gonna be quite painful.

[cj]

yeah see splinters was the FIRST thing that came to my mind ... I don't think pleasure would enter into it :unsure:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 22 2004, 04:38 AM
yeah see splinters was the FIRST thing that came to my mind ... I don't think pleasure would enter into it :unsure:
you sissy boys and girls,
what do you know about splinters and pleasures??????

The BIGGEST pleasure is when all splinters are removed
;_))))

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 22 2004, 04:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 22 2004, 04:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jun 22 2004, 04:38 AM
yeah see splinters was the FIRST thing that came to my mind ... I don't think pleasure would enter into it :unsure:
you sissy boys and girls,
what do you know about splinters and pleasures??????

The BIGGEST pleasure is when all splinters are removed
;_))))[/b][/quote]
Wheres Colin? Thats a pearl!

[cj]

the older he gets, the freakier he gets

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 22 2004, 01:24 AM

I think you have us mixed up with Brad!!!!!


Of course Brad will be coming out with a toolbar.

He is deperate.

Look at the traffic to his program.

It don't buy many LV' purses!!!

Factor in a random anal probe from one of a number of countries tax offices and of course its coming.

He may try and disguise his involvement. But he will be involved.

The birds are singing.....

:)

[*KK*]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 22 2004, 01:24 AM
I don't think that many people *here* spoke out against consoles, cross sells or spam - because we were all doing it first.

Who *exactly* of those of us who have spoken out against toolbars do you think will be distributing their own spyware soon?

Its not like you to sit on the fence :groucho: :P
If I had time I'd be glad to go thru the web archive and point out a few anti-spam posts from people who ended up spamming for awhile...

I worry about myself these days, my comments are simply comments.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*+Jun 22 2004, 10:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Jun 22 2004, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jun 22 2004, 01:24 AM
I don't think that many people *here* spoke out against consoles, cross sells or spam - because we were all doing it first.

Who *exactly* of those of us who have spoken out against toolbars do you think will be distributing their own spyware soon?

Its not like you to sit on the fence :groucho: :P
If I had time I'd be glad to go thru the web archive and point out a few anti-spam posts from people who ended up spamming for awhile...

I worry about myself these days, my comments are simply comments. [/b][/quote]
There heres some more for you to comment on about your cocksucker friend Hooper.

http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/forums/sho...ead.php?t=35694 (http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35694)

Dont matter as long as it gets billed I suppose.

[wiseman]

WOW!!!! This new design kinda sucks!!!!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by wiseman@Jun 22 2004, 09:36 PM
WOW!!!! This new design kinda sucks!!!!
Kinda like quickbucks eh?
So youll be coming around more often with your cocksucking pals Brad and Hooper?

Whens the SICCASH toolbar coming out?

[wiseman]

sure..

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by wiseman@Jun 22 2004, 09:36 PM
WOW!!!! This new design kinda sucks!!!!
so? your moma sucked but still managed to give birth to a genious

[gonzo]

While Im rebuilding the database on Mo and killing of the new Sloth Toolbar heres some interesting reading.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/24/sp...e_crosses_line/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/24/spyware_crosses_line/)

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 24 2004, 07:15 PM
While Im rebuilding the database on Mo and killing of the new Sloth Toolbar heres some interesting reading.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/24/sp...e_crosses_line/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/24/spyware_crosses_line/)
That's just clever marketing! It's the next big thing. That guy's gonna make a fortune and be laughing at our self righteous fat asses by this time next year!