after the porn gig is over,

[Winetalk.com]

what are you going to do wiht your life?

[OldJeff]

Jeff's Bait and Tackle :D

[RawAlex]

Television and movie production.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.[/b][/quote]
how old are you?

everything what you envisioned will keep you busy for 12 months....what's next?

[gilgy]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 06:19 AM
Television and movie production.
If you are going to do that one, get a good early start. Its a killer business. I know it well. I have a t shirt collection in my basement.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 06:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 06:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.
how old are you?

everything what you envisioned will keep you busy for 12 months....what's next?[/b][/quote]
Probably older than you. And I can stretch it for years. Peace and serenity has a certain charm, don't you think? Oh yeah, maybe I will get a dog.

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 10 2004, 12:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 10 2004, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.
how old are you?

everything what you envisioned will keep you busy for 12 months....what's next?
Probably older than you. And I can stretch it for years. Peace and serenity has a certain charm, don't you think? Oh yeah, maybe I will get a dog.[/b][/quote]
The clatter of the lawnmower ......

Mid afternoon hangovers ......

Punctuated by the barking dog .....

Ahhh the serenity.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.



:yowsa: :agrin: :blink:

[RawAlex]

gilgy, this is an interesting time of transition for the television business, as they move to high def. There is so much potential, so much need.

Serge, got a spare million lying around? :-)

Alex

[gilgy]

Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy+Jun 9 2004, 06:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CuriousToyBoy @ Jun 9 2004, 06:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 10 2004, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.
how old are you?

everything what you envisioned will keep you busy for 12 months....what's next?
Probably older than you. And I can stretch it for years. Peace and serenity has a certain charm, don't you think? Oh yeah, maybe I will get a dog.
The clatter of the lawnmower ......

Mid afternoon hangovers ......

Punctuated by the barking dog .....

Ahhh the serenity.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.



:yowsa: :agrin: :blink:[/b][/quote]
You gotta learn kid, you just keep drinking. You need more experience. Don't worry, practice makes perfect.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 06:34 AM
gilgy, this is an interesting time of transition for the television business, as they move to high def. There is so much potential, so much need.

Serge, got a spare million lying around? :-)

Alex
I first saw High Def in Brighton in 1986. It has been around a long time. It has all been about politics. The thing with High Def is that it is just a format. Nothing more. The software (ie: programming) remains the same. Hell I predicted the death of betacam 5 or six years ago and its still going strong. You can pick up a decent betacam for about 20 grand and you are in business. Most have no vision or budget and all they will do is someday upconvert the 525 program. There are more visionary productions doing high def. I have a colleague that has about 10 hi def cameras and they are all busy. If you are thinking of jumping on that bandwagon, you are probaly too late. The money is in place and good luck to you if you can shake a little off the tree.
BTW, what would a million do for you in that world. Hi def wildlife doc?
I am not busting your chops, and you might just have a line on something, but just "hi def" will not make you rich.

[RawAlex]

Hi Def in and of itself won't change much (except the sets have to be built better, because people can actually see how bad they look otherwise), but the US government's move to force broadcasters to move to Hi Def only in the next 18 months or so certainly does create issues.

If there was no government mandate, I don't think there would be any rush, and there wouldn't be any potential. Because of the rush, well...

Who knows, right? :-)

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 09:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.
how old are you?

everything what you envisioned will keep you busy for 12 months....what's next?
Probably older than you. And I can stretch it for years. Peace and serenity has a certain charm, don't you think? Oh yeah, maybe I will get a dog.[/b][/quote]
I am 47....you?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 09:34 AM
gilgy, this is an interesting time of transition for the television business, as they move to high def. There is so much potential, so much need.

Serge, got a spare million lying around? :-)

Alex
nope
;-)))

[Jesse_DD]

Serge, The Porn Gig will never be over! :rokk:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Jesse_DD@Jun 9 2004, 09:56 AM
Serge, The Porn Gig will never be over! :rokk:
yeap, that's what guys said about:
black and white pics,
video rentals,
phone sex,
etc, etc, etc....

it won't be over as an institution, but it WILL BE over for the most webmasters

[wig]

Speaking of retirement... I always liked this story.



A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman. "But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family. The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"

[Bishop]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.[/b][/quote]

Sounds like my life today only I'm still working.. hahaha

I bought his and hers riding lawn mowers so my wife and I can have races. Also makes mowing more fun when I have someone to help me draw figure 8's in the pasture.

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 06:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 06:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Jesse_DD@Jun 9 2004, 09:56 AM
Serge, The Porn Gig will never be over! :rokk:
yeap, that's what guys said about:
black and white pics,
video rentals,
phone sex,
etc, etc, etc....

it won't be over as an institution, but it WILL BE over for the most webmasters[/b][/quote]
I got stuck with a betamax

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 06:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 06:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 09:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Not sure, retire gracefully. Travel. What does one normally do when they retire? Cut the grass. Drink beer in the morning. Buy lots of great toys.
how old are you?

everything what you envisioned will keep you busy for 12 months....what's next?
Probably older than you. And I can stretch it for years. Peace and serenity has a certain charm, don't you think? Oh yeah, maybe I will get a dog.
I am 47....you?[/b][/quote]
54

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 06:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 06:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Jesse_DD@Jun 9 2004, 09:56 AM
Serge, The Porn Gig will never be over! :rokk:
yeap, that's what guys said about:
black and white pics,
video rentals,
phone sex,
etc, etc, etc....

it won't be over as an institution, but it WILL BE over for the most webmasters[/b][/quote]
The trick then is to not be "most webmasters". But that is the trick of making money in the first place. So I guess the point is moot.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 06:50 AM
Hi Def in and of itself won't change much (except the sets have to be built better, because people can actually see how bad they look otherwise), but the US government's move to force broadcasters to move to Hi Def only in the next 18 months or so certainly does create issues.

If there was no government mandate, I don't think there would be any rush, and there wouldn't be any potential. Because of the rush, well...

Who knows, right? :-)

Alex
You gotta point. But the real winners manufacture the hardware. Samsung will make millions. Jumping into high def at the production end is no different than jumping into tv and film production. In film they just call it digital and it is happening now. The same folks are doing the lighting and operating with the addition of a video engineer to shade and track levels. There could be a future in that, but it will still only pay you 80 to a hundred grand a year and you got to live in a production center where they make lots of movies. If you jump into high def in a smaller market, you could get creamed. I know folks who jumped in too early and failed big time. And where I live we make tons of movies, documentaries and tv series. So it is a dodgy future unless you been to broadcasting school and know what you are up against. Just an informed opinion if you are intereste. Not rainin in your parade at all.

[Winetalk.com]

gilgy, I like your train of thought...where have you been? what took you so long to join the "think tank" called Oprano?

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 07:29 AM
gilgy, I like your train of thought...where have you been? what took you so long to join the "think tank" called Oprano?
I have been around since about 98. I keep my websites under wraps on boards because they are all off in their own little world far removed from the mainstream. But they are very successful. I have a long background in entertainment which I put to use in this business because I no longer have to work for anyone but myself. I just observe and watch em come and go and my little business steadily grows. There was, of course, the phenomenal 99 to 2002 growth, but now it has settled into a 20 per cent a year kind of thing, depending if I open more websites. I now hire people to do a lot of the drudgery and travel more and more. Its a good life. I am half way retired. Apart from a little grief over the past two weeks, life and business are good and getting better.

[Winetalk.com]

ahhh...fellow traveler!

where have you been lately?

[RawAlex]

gilgy, funny enough I am just in the last bit of school for this year, currently working on a feature film as DOP, and continuing to work on my own projects. The after adult part of the world is already starting to form up for me (so much that I will likely have a ton of domains and stuff for sale in the very near future, as I slim down this side of things a bit).

The production end is good if you are NOT working for the man, but are the man. The billion channel universe means there is almost always demand for new programming, as these outlets attempt to grow their audiences, and they want it for a good price. I am based in Canada, so I have some economic advantages over the US market place.

Where are you based?

Alex

[gilgy]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 08:07 AM
gilgy, funny enough I am just in the last bit of school for this year, currently working on a feature film as DOP, and continuing to work on my own projects. The after adult part of the world is already starting to form up for me (so much that I will likely have a ton of domains and stuff for sale in the very near future, as I slim down this side of things a bit).

The production end is good if you are NOT working for the man, but are the man. The billion channel universe means there is almost always demand for new programming, as these outlets attempt to grow their audiences, and they want it for a good price. I am based in Canada, so I have some economic advantages over the US market place.

Where are you based?

Alex
I hope you are in Toronto or Vancouver. Busy as stink right now. IA is running out of people at the moment and I assume nabet as well. You might want to contact them. I am in T.O.eh.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 07:43 AM
ahhh...fellow traveler!

where have you been lately?
Not a lot lately. Asia over the winter. London in the fall. New England in the Spring and NYC for awhile in the summer last year. Driving to the west coast in a couple of days...wine tour of BC. Then off to Paris to eat then down to Provence and maybe Tuscany to eat and drink some more for a few weeks in September October. Then time to regroup and move west. Peace and serenity, remember?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 11:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 07:43 AM
ahhh...fellow traveler!

where have you been lately?
Not a lot lately. Asia over the winter. London in the fall. New England in the Spring and NYC for awhile in the summer last year. Driving to the west coast in a couple of days...wine tour of BC. Then off to Paris to eat then down to Provence and maybe Tuscany to eat and drink some more for a few weeks in September October. Then time to regroup and move west. Peace and serenity, remember?[/b][/quote]
good choices to get fershtukken
;-))))

how did you like Thailand?

[Vick]

Already working in the next career ....

Illusionist

Don't talk about it here much but I've been working the past 5+ months as an illusionist (which was a hobby for 3+ years)

This past weekend played for over 20,000 people in 3 days (still a warm up act but getting a lot of positive exposure).

Also the Baltimore Sun Newspaper was where I am working Friday night doing a story and snapped a lot of pics that included me so hoping to get some newspaper coverage soon

Still have one foot in the on line porn business but it's nothing like is was up until 2002, commitment or revenue wise

[VooMan]

Originally posted by wig@Jun 9 2004, 09:59 AM
Speaking of retirement... I always liked this story.



A boat docked in a tiny foreign village. A business tourist complimented the fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the fisherman. "But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The fisherman explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family. The tourist asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a nap with my wife. In the evenings I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs. I have a full life."

The tourist interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you. You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat. With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant. You can then leave this little village and move to a big city. From there you can direct your huge enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the fisherman.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the tourist.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? That's when it gets really interesting," answered the tourist, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?"

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a nap with your wife, and spend your evenings playing the guitar with your friends!"
That is so true, Wig. :okthumb:

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 08:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 11:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 07:43 AM
ahhh...fellow traveler!

where have you been lately?
Not a lot lately. Asia over the winter. London in the fall. New England in the Spring and NYC for awhile in the summer last year. Driving to the west coast in a couple of days...wine tour of BC. Then off to Paris to eat then down to Provence and maybe Tuscany to eat and drink some more for a few weeks in September October. Then time to regroup and move west. Peace and serenity, remember?
good choices to get fershtukken
;-))))

how did you like Thailand?[/b][/quote]
I have always loved Thailand. I have been going there on and off since the 80's when Pat Pong and Pattaya really rocked. Its toned down somewhat, but still fun. They make the best Pizza's in the world there.
I used to go to Khatmandu as well, but passed on it this time around.

[Vick]

About Drinking - To quote Humphrey Bogart

"The problem with the rest of the world is they're always a few drinks behind"

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 11:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 07:43 AM
ahhh...fellow traveler!

where have you been lately?
Not a lot lately. Asia over the winter. London in the fall. New England in the Spring and NYC for awhile in the summer last year. Driving to the west coast in a couple of days...wine tour of BC. Then off to Paris to eat then down to Provence and maybe Tuscany to eat and drink some more for a few weeks in September October. Then time to regroup and move west. Peace and serenity, remember?
good choices to get fershtukken
;-))))

how did you like Thailand?
I have always loved Thailand. I have been going there on and off since the 80's when Pat Pong and Pattaya really rocked. Its toned down somewhat, but still fun. They make the best Pizza's in the world there.
I used to go to Khatmandu as well, but passed on it this time around.[/b][/quote]
have you been to Ankor Wat?

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 08:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 11:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 07:43 AM
ahhh...fellow traveler!

where have you been lately?
Not a lot lately. Asia over the winter. London in the fall. New England in the Spring and NYC for awhile in the summer last year. Driving to the west coast in a couple of days...wine tour of BC. Then off to Paris to eat then down to Provence and maybe Tuscany to eat and drink some more for a few weeks in September October. Then time to regroup and move west. Peace and serenity, remember?
good choices to get fershtukken
;-))))

how did you like Thailand?
I have always loved Thailand. I have been going there on and off since the 80's when Pat Pong and Pattaya really rocked. Its toned down somewhat, but still fun. They make the best Pizza's in the world there.
I used to go to Khatmandu as well, but passed on it this time around.
have you been to Ankor Wat?[/b][/quote]
I have. I love Siem Repp. Great place to sit and drink Angkor and Lao beer and eat German food. I actually preferred Bang Melia to Angkor Wat. Its safe to go there now. It is eery because it really is overgrown.

[Winetalk.com]

gilgy, when were you in Russia the last time?

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:10 AM
gilgy, when were you in Russia the last time?
Never been there.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 12:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:10 AM
gilgy, when were you in Russia the last time?
Never been there.[/b][/quote]
oh good, for a second I thought you were somebody else who was posting on this board under the different aliases
;-)))

Have you been to Singapore?

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 12:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:10 AM
gilgy, when were you in Russia the last time?
Never been there.
oh good, for a second I thought you were somebody else who was posting on this board under the different aliases
;-)))

Have you been to Singapore?[/b][/quote]
I have been to Changi airport many times en route to KL, KK or BKK. But never actually set foot in the place. Da Da is Death.

[Winetalk.com]

I liked Singapore....most "unAsian" Asian city....anmd the food is out of this world

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:19 AM
I liked Singapore....most "unAsian" Asian city....anmd the food is out of this world
I would like to go someday. But there are just so many other places I would like to go. I really want to go to Patagonia. Just don't know if I have the energy. I usually make spur of the minute decisions. Hell, I could be there this winter for all I know. My travel plans usually take all of two weeks, bottle to throttle.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:19 AM
I liked Singapore....most "unAsian" Asian city....anmd the food is out of this world
I would like to go someday. But there are just so many other places I would like to go. I really want to go to Patagonia. Just don't know if I have the energy. I usually make spur of the minute decisions. Hell, I could be there this winter for all I know. My travel plans usually take all of two weeks, bottle to throttle.[/b][/quote]
there is a good trip to Patagonia with Brendan,
we might go there in December/January:

http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpa...sp?id=6&PID=185 (http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpage.asp?id=6&PID=185)

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 09:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 12:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:19 AM
I liked Singapore....most "unAsian" Asian city....anmd the food is out of this world
I would like to go someday. But there are just so many other places I would like to go. I really want to go to Patagonia. Just don't know if I have the energy. I usually make spur of the minute decisions. Hell, I could be there this winter for all I know. My travel plans usually take all of two weeks, bottle to throttle.
there is a good trip to Patagonia with Brendan,
we might go there in December/January:

http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpa...sp?id=6&PID=185 (http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpage.asp?id=6&PID=185)[/b][/quote]
That is way cool. Its got my mind ticking over. I have to read it again with my wife.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 01:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 12:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:19 AM
I liked Singapore....most "unAsian" Asian city....anmd the food is out of this world
I would like to go someday. But there are just so many other places I would like to go. I really want to go to Patagonia. Just don't know if I have the energy. I usually make spur of the minute decisions. Hell, I could be there this winter for all I know. My travel plans usually take all of two weeks, bottle to throttle.
there is a good trip to Patagonia with Brendan,
we might go there in December/January:

http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpa...sp?id=6&PID=185 (http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpage.asp?id=6&PID=185)
That is way cool. Its got my mind ticking over. I have to read it again with my wife.[/b][/quote]
I hope I won't overload you two:
http://www.affordabletours.com/

it lists 90% of ALL tours available out there in the world
;-)))

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 10:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 12:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 09:19 AM
I liked Singapore....most "unAsian" Asian city....anmd the food is out of this world
I would like to go someday. But there are just so many other places I would like to go. I really want to go to Patagonia. Just don't know if I have the energy. I usually make spur of the minute decisions. Hell, I could be there this winter for all I know. My travel plans usually take all of two weeks, bottle to throttle.
there is a good trip to Patagonia with Brendan,
we might go there in December/January:

http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpa...sp?id=6&PID=185 (http://www.brendanvacations.com/maintourpage.asp?id=6&PID=185)
That is way cool. Its got my mind ticking over. I have to read it again with my wife.
I hope I won't overload you two:
http://www.affordabletours.com/

it lists 90% of ALL tours available out there in the world
;-)))[/b][/quote]
No all information is good information. Tours are not something I have ever considered so it needs a little thought. I have never taken one. I usually book a flight, train or whatever, a couple of nights in a nice hotel, then rock on. I like the lonely planet a lot. It helps, but gets heavy to carry. The thorntree on the lonely planet site is a great current resource. There are a few things you should book ahead...like a nile cruise or you can be fucked. I learned the hard way. Almost wound up on the romantic faluka cruise drinking nile water. But it is something to consider. Thanks for that.

[Winetalk.com]

gilgy,
I make tons of decissions EVERY FUCKING DAY
(when market is open ;-)

on vacation I like to be a vegatable with NOTHING to think or worry about.

but......everybody have preferences about travel

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 11:09 AM
gilgy,
I make tons of decissions EVERY FUCKING DAY
(when market is open ;-)

on vacation I like to be a vegatable with NOTHING to think or worry about.

but......everybody have preferences about travel
Yeah I know. Even as we speak I am making tons of decisions, writing copy and blah blah blah. When I travel, I try and spend longer periods of time in a few places. I used to be frenetic. Had to see everything. Now I am more selective and more relaxed. I plan ahead if I am going on a diving holiday, because that is a group thing. Small groups on boats in the middle of nowhere like PNG or Borneo. That makes it fun, paid for and all inclusive. The only worry is my bar bill which is usually immense. Hey compressed air makes you thirsty. Drinking perrier jouet at thirty feet is also fun. I usually rent cars and drive. I am thinking of gettin a gps to make that even more fun.

[Winetalk.com]

after renting the car in Italy and being robbed in Naples,
I avoid this mode of transportation
;-)))

you seem to be much more adventourous type than me
;-)))

Living in USSR robbed me of my "zest for adventures"
;-)))

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 11:27 AM
after renting the car in Italy and being robbed in Naples,
I avoid this mode of transportation
;-)))

you seem to be much more adventourous type than me
;-)))

Living in USSR robbed me of my "zest for adventures"
;-)))
No, I am an adventure woos really. I have seen a lot more than most. I have lived behind barbed wire and am not in the mood for that in my dotage. But hey, your first clue should have been the insurance regs on rental cars in italy. I was going to fly into Marco Polo and rent a car and drive to Provence. My inlaws have a place there for us. But the charges were outrageous (mostly for theft). So instead I am flying into Marseilles and renting a car at half the price and I might drive to Venice.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 11:07 AM
gilgy, funny enough I am just in the last bit of school for this year, currently working on a feature film as DOP, and continuing to work on my own projects.
NICE

Alex, got any plans for some anti-American films ?

[aeon]

Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:32 PM
Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.
I love vodka. Vodka...Zhbrovka (i know its Polish)....whiskey( Scotch...the only whiskey)... and Tequila (Cuervo Gold...I know my taste is pedestrian but I love it).

[pushpills]

find inner peace.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jun 9 2004, 02:37 PM
find inner peace.
I think PP clocked it.

[aeon]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 02:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:32 PM
Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.
I love vodka. Vodka...Zhbrovka (i know its Polish)....whiskey( Scotch...the only whiskey)... and Tequila (Cuervo Gold...I know my taste is pedestrian but I love it).[/b][/quote]
Tequila and myself just don't mix well - very, very bad things happen when I drink tequila...very bad things.

[Vick]

Originally posted by gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 05:35 PM
Scotch
:stout: :stout: :hic: :okthumb:

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Vick+Jun 9 2004, 02:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jun 9 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 05:35 PM
Scotch
:stout: :stout: :hic: :okthumb:
[/b][/quote]
laohphroig

[RawAlex]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Jun 9 2004, 04:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Jun 9 2004, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 11:07 AM
gilgy, funny enough I am just in the last bit of school for this year, currently working on a feature film as DOP, and continuing to work on my own projects.
NICE

Alex, got any plans for some anti-American films ?[/b][/quote]
Nahh, that niche is already pretty full. I was thinking of making a movie on how the Bush family has a tradition of one term presidents, but I figure I would have to wait until November to get started.

I am all for suggestions, ya know? :-)

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 9 2004, 04:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 9 2004, 04:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 11:27 AM
after renting the car in Italy and being robbed in Naples,
I avoid this mode of transportation
;-)))

you seem to be much more adventourous type than me
;-)))

Living in USSR robbed me of my "zest for adventures"
;-)))
No, I am an adventure woos really. I have seen a lot more than most. I have lived behind barbed wire and am not in the mood for that in my dotage. But hey, your first clue should have been the insurance regs on rental cars in italy. I was going to fly into Marco Polo and rent a car and drive to Provence. My inlaws have a place there for us. But the charges were outrageous (mostly for theft). So instead I am flying into Marseilles and renting a car at half the price and I might drive to Venice.[/b][/quote]
ahhh...Marcellis...the crime capital of Francve which makes Naples look like a child playground.
Best of luck,
you have no idea what you are in the store for
;-)))

my car wasn't stolen, BTW, only ...
oh well,
I'd rather hear your story when you get back from Marcellis
;_))

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by RawAlex+Jun 9 2004, 06:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RawAlex @ Jun 9 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -slavdogg@Jun 9 2004, 04:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Jun 9 2004, 11:07 AM
gilgy, funny enough I am just in the last bit of school for this year, currently working on a feature film as DOP, and continuing to work on my own projects.
NICE

Alex, got any plans for some anti-American films ?
Nahh, that niche is already pretty full. I was thinking of making a movie on how the Bush family has a tradition of one term presidents, but I figure I would have to wait until November to get started.

I am all for suggestions, ya know? :-)

Alex[/b][/quote]
well if Moore can make 2, there is room for 3rd ,4th.. 5 more
just think you could be the next big shot at Canes :)

actually "how Bushs lost the white house" is not a bad idea
but you better start filing NOW, its all about timing

and i just want my name in the credits :)

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 04:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 11:27 AM
after renting the car in Italy and being robbed in Naples,
I avoid this mode of transportation
;-)))

you seem to be much more adventourous type than me
;-)))

Living in USSR robbed me of my "zest for adventures"
;-)))
No, I am an adventure woos really. I have seen a lot more than most. I have lived behind barbed wire and am not in the mood for that in my dotage. But hey, your first clue should have been the insurance regs on rental cars in italy. I was going to fly into Marco Polo and rent a car and drive to Provence. My inlaws have a place there for us. But the charges were outrageous (mostly for theft). So instead I am flying into Marseilles and renting a car at half the price and I might drive to Venice.
ahhh...Marcellis...the crime capital of Francve which makes Naples look like a child playground.
Best of luck,
you have no idea what you are in the store for
;-)))

my car wasn't stolen, BTW, only ...
oh well,
I'd rather hear your story when you get back from Marcellis
;_))[/b][/quote]
I was in Naples and there were needles in every gutter. My driver hired someone to sleep in the car because his engine had been stolen the last time he was there. He had driven us down from Rome and he said Naples was the worst. Great food, great people and good times. I have never seen so many hookers in my life....well maybe Milano at night around the 45 gallon drums burning wood.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 9 2004, 02:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 9 2004, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 02:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:32 PM
Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.
I love vodka. Vodka...Zhbrovka (i know its Polish)....whiskey( Scotch...the only whiskey)... and Tequila (Cuervo Gold...I know my taste is pedestrian but I love it).
Tequila and myself just don't mix well - very, very bad things happen when I drink tequila...very bad things.[/b][/quote]
Try absinthe.....


(shudders)


;-)))

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 9 2004, 04:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 9 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 02:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:32 PM
Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.
I love vodka. Vodka...Zhbrovka (i know its Polish)....whiskey( Scotch...the only whiskey)... and Tequila (Cuervo Gold...I know my taste is pedestrian but I love it).
Tequila and myself just don't mix well - very, very bad things happen when I drink tequila...very bad things.
Try absinthe.....


(shudders)


;-)))[/b][/quote]
I would love to try absinthe nick. I am in Canada, can I get it here?

[Hell Puppy]

Repo service.

When porn dries up, I know locations of several very expensive toys that the bank is gonna want back.

[Nickatilynx]

Yes indeed you can golgy :)

About $100 a throw.



Check this out (http://hillsabsinth.com/)

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 9 2004, 04:27 PM
Yes indeed you can golgy :)

About $100 a throw.



Check this out (http://hillsabsinth.com/)
cool, I will be in vancouver in a couple of weeks and I can get a bottle. Thanks, man

[JoesHO]

be sure to try JEKEL vinyards out of the Monterrey bay area...

let me know what you think of it...

[aeon]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 9 2004, 04:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 9 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 02:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:32 PM
Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.
I love vodka. Vodka...Zhbrovka (i know its Polish)....whiskey( Scotch...the only whiskey)... and Tequila (Cuervo Gold...I know my taste is pedestrian but I love it).
Tequila and myself just don't mix well - very, very bad things happen when I drink tequila...very bad things.
Try absinthe.....


(shudders)


;-)))[/b][/quote]
That just doesn't look safe.
Two conditions:

1. put the bail money in a safe place before the bottle is opened.
2. have a pillow ready by the toilet.

[juliansosa]

Fix spyware

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 9 2004, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 9 2004, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Jun 9 2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by -aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 9 2004, 02:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jun 9 2004, 02:32 PM
Eastern Europe...vodka, lots of vodka, and finishing my graduate studies.
I love vodka. Vodka...Zhbrovka (i know its Polish)....whiskey( Scotch...the only whiskey)... and Tequila (Cuervo Gold...I know my taste is pedestrian but I love it).
Tequila and myself just don't mix well - very, very bad things happen when I drink tequila...very bad things.
Try absinthe.....


(shudders)


;-)))
That just doesn't look safe.
Two conditions:

1. put the bail money in a safe place before the bottle is opened.
2. have a pillow ready by the toilet.[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

[AM Jeff]

After my porn gig is over.

I'm gonna become a professional lawn boy and come and mow Gonzos grass.

[Nickatilynx]

When its over?????

You mean people are STILL making money with Internet porn????

[Jesse_DD]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 9 2004, 06:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 9 2004, 06:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Jesse_DD@Jun 9 2004, 09:56 AM
Serge, The Porn Gig will never be over! :rokk:
yeap, that's what guys said about:
black and white pics,
video rentals,
phone sex,
etc, etc, etc....

it won't be over as an institution, but it WILL BE over for the most webmasters[/b][/quote]
Hey - I still do all of these things!!!

[BradShaw]

To some of us, this is more than a gig, or a joke. This is a business. Believe it not, there are people still around from the old days. A few of us are not one hit wonders who hang on.

Hard to walk away from a biz when the $ flows in, with minimal hours of work. Just a little brain power here and there.

I just wish I was like Gonzo though, and could give people shit, yet beg for work in this industry! Too bad I do not need a job from anyone.

[Vick]

You may be missing the points Brad

1st - on-line porn doesn't make the same $$$$ it did just a few years ago so to maintain the income level there is a need to diversify

2nd - do you want to do porn your entire life?
Do you get bored with it?
Do you desire new vistas to conquer?
It's time for new challenges and successes
Many of the old timers are stale as it's gotten old over 7+ years

3rd - I don't see any begging going on

4th - So you don't need a (blow) job? Guess you're asexual

[BradShaw]

I make more $ than ever. I travel the world and the $ flows in faster than my hair falls out. I just log on for a few hours a day. I should get an infomercial.

People should stop whining, and realize they are washed up and look offline. Wendy's is hiring.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 10 2004, 02:40 PM
To some of us, this is more than a gig, or a joke. This is a business. Believe it not, there are people still around from the old days. A few of us are not one hit wonders who hang on.

Hard to walk away from a biz when the $ flows in, with minimal hours of work. Just a little brain power here and there.

I just wish I was like Gonzo though, and could give people shit, yet beg for work in this industry! Too bad I do not need a job from anyone.
I'm in san diego right now doing tap dances for quarters. While your bored and uncultured in paris.

ill stick to my po pan handlling and asking questions like meat and aga do about low preforming programs.

Live high and mighty off your vast empire built on gay websites.

Your not an old timer in my book.

[Winetalk.com]

and I am making bets on the timing when Weasel gets served.

buying stolen goods is a bitch
;-))))

[LadyMischief]

I am probably going to go back to training horses, which is my first love. Open up a training facility and train for shows maybe. Spend my free time eventing and travelling the world.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 9 2004, 06:16 AM
what are you going to do wiht your life?
Honestly, this is something I hope to do until I retire, I don't plan on waiting to "live" until after I retire...hoping to get some good living in on this path to death.




Last edited by eroswebmaster at Jun 11 2004, 05:45 AM

[gilgy]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jun 11 2004, 01:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jun 11 2004, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Brad "little weasel" Shaw@Jun 10 2004, 02:40 PM
To some of us, this is more than a gig, or a joke. This is a business. Believe it not, there are people still around from the old days. A few of us are not one hit wonders who hang on.

Hard to walk away from a biz when the $ flows in, with minimal hours of work. Just a little brain power here and there.

I just wish I was like Gonzo though, and could give people shit, yet beg for work in this industry! Too bad I do not need a job from anyone.
I'm in san diego right now doing tap dances for quarters. While your bored and uncultured in paris.

ill stick to my po pan handlling and asking questions like meat and aga do about low preforming programs.

Live high and mighty off your vast empire built on gay websites.

Your not an old timer in my book.[/b][/quote]
That is an interesting remark. What do you think an "oldtimer" is? The net as a viable business proposition hasn't been around very long and oldtimer seems a little inapprpriate to me. In most business, you would barely be out of apprenticeship. The net has settled into a "rhythm" now of real business and it seems to me some of the so called old timers were never actually very good, just very lucky and the new wave of entrepreneurs have the skills. I try to react and not dwell on a past that is so immature to begin with. Just my observation.

BTW, I made my first nickel off of the internet in 1997



Last edited by gilgy at Jun 11 2004, 07:31 AM

[Vick]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 11 2004, 03:26 AM
I make more $ than ever. I travel the world and the $ flows in faster than my hair falls out. I just log on for a few hours a day. I should get an infomercial.

People should stop whining, and realize they are washed up and look offline. Wendy's is hiring.
You still just don't get it
Sorry to hear you think Porn is all you can do

Pretty limiting

The business should be the means to an end
not the ends to a mean

What would you do if the bottom fell out of on line porn?
Got to keep that income level increasing or at the very least where it is now

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Vick+Jun 11 2004, 08:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jun 11 2004, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Brad "little weasel" Shaw@Jun 11 2004, 03:26 AM
I make more $ than ever. I travel the world and the $ flows in faster than my hair falls out. I just log on for a few hours a day. I should get an infomercial.

People should stop whining, and realize they are washed up and look offline. Wendy's is hiring.
You still just don't get it
Sorry to hear you think Porn is all you can do

Pretty limiting

The business should be the means to an end
not the ends to a mean

What would you do if the bottom fell out of on line porn?
Got to keep that income level increasing or at the very least where it is now[/b][/quote]
Why is that Vick? Why should the business not be a career? It seems that it is as viable as any other. It is profitable, substantial, and has a pretty bright future. Its like any other business.

[Vick]

gilgy - while some may disagree and others won't admit it/don't like it the big easy money in on line porn is gone

and it's to everyone's best interest to have a few other things generating revenue (If I recall and I may be wrong you posted you got in around 1999 - if so you missed the gold rush and might not understand what I'm saying)

Also just from a personal view point - porn after 7 years has gotten boring

Always good to have new challenges and new success

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 11 2004, 08:55 AM
gilgy - while some may disagree and others won't admit it/don't like it the big easy money in on line porn is gone

and it's to everyone's best interest to have a few other things generating revenue (If I recall and I may be wrong you posted you got in around 1999 - if so you missed the gold rush and might not understand what I'm saying)

Also just from a personal view point - porn after 7 years has gotten boring

Always good to have new challenges and new success
I agree to a a point. But opportunities like the gold rush of a few years ago do not really come along too often in any field of endeavour (well maybe more often in real estate). The trick is to make a solid reliable business out of the opportunity. It shouldn't be boogie nights. I don't think its boring. I have made a shit pot of money doing this. What I find fascinating is "business" not the product. So it has not become boring but a new challenge almost monthly. Its an interesting game. The product is fun too. The internet is still brand new. In twenty years, these first few years will be of less significance and those that hang in will undoubtedly prosper from their wealth of experience. At that point, they will literally be old timers on the internet. I see it in the professionalism of everyone I deal with from financial people, to server providers. They are all more mature and businesslike. It is a great place to be and unless you have a burning desire to do something else, I see no reason to bail if you are successful and your business is growing. My year ends have always improved. The work load is a little heavier, but the bottom line still goes up. So I have no intention of leaving for something else. Just leaving someday like most people do in any occupation.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 11 2004, 08:55 AM
gilgy - while some may disagree and others won't admit it/don't like it the big easy money in on line porn is gone

and it's to everyone's best interest to have a few other things generating revenue (If I recall and I may be wrong you posted you got in around 1999 - if so you missed the gold rush and might not understand what I'm saying)

Also just from a personal view point - porn after 7 years has gotten boring

Always good to have new challenges and new success
I agree with everything you have said.

I am not bored with the internet , it is still the easiest marketing tool available but frankly on mail traffic , sending to adult is no way as profitable as others.

Why?

A.) Oversaturation
B.) most affilate programs ,especially as they watch there margins shrink,have become so fucking crooked they make me look like a saint .

I believe taking the tricks learned in the gold rush days of adult into non-adult is where the futre is.

jmho

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 11 2004, 09:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 11 2004, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Jun 11 2004, 08:55 AM
gilgy - while some may disagree and others won't admit it/don't like it the big easy money in on line porn is gone

and it's to everyone's best interest to have a few other things generating revenue (If I recall and I may be wrong you posted you got in around 1999 - if so you missed the gold rush and might not understand what I'm saying)

Also just from a personal view point - porn after 7 years has gotten boring

Always good to have new challenges and new success
I agree with everything you have said.

I am not bored with the internet , it is still the easiest marketing tool available but frankly on mail traffic , sending to adult is no way as profitable as others.

Why?

A.) Oversaturation
B.) most affilate programs ,especially as they watch there margins shrink,have become so fucking crooked they make me look like a saint .

I believe taking the tricks learned in the gold rush days of adult into non-adult is where the futre is.

jmho[/b][/quote]
That sounds like a good call to me.

[BradShaw]

People who whine about over saturation and bottoms falling out are living in 1999. There are still a handful of wise ones making record amounts of $. Survival of the fittest, and do not put all your eggs in one basket.

When people stop looking at porn online I will retire.

[gilgy]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 11 2004, 01:08 PM
People who whine about over saturation and bottoms falling out are living in 1999. There are still a handful of wise ones making record amounts of $. Survival of the fittest, and do not put all your eggs in one basket.

When people stop looking at porn online I will retire.
The bottom never fell out. The market just corrected and the losers lost. The competition got greater. That is not a falling sky, it is an opportunity to build a solid business if you are better than the rest. Quality is more important than ever in all aspects of retail. The public is demanding it in everything from burgers to appliances. There does seem to be an attempt by those with resources to corner the market, but I think that will ultimately fail. They are all using the same tactics under different disguises. Usually webmaster "resources" and they are a nickel a dozen. Its a brave new world that is an opportunity for anyone with imagination to make a high end living without massive investment nor training. Where else to you get it offered to you on a plate like this?

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Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 11 2004, 04:08 PM
People who whine about over saturation and bottoms falling out are living in 1999. There are still a handful of wise ones making record amounts of $. Survival of the fittest, and do not put all your eggs in one basket.

When people stop looking at porn online I will retire.
spoken like a truly player wanna be who was crying in 1999 on FM's shoulder!

it will take you 10 life times, cretin, to make what players were making in 1999 alone
;-))))

but.....explaining the fool that he is a fool is exercize in futility.

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Originally posted by gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 04:50 PM

The bottom never fell out. The market just corrected and the losers lost. The competition got greater. That is not a falling sky, it is an opportunity to build a solid business if you are better than the rest. Quality is more important than ever in all aspects of retail. The public is demanding it in everything from burgers to appliances. There does seem to be an attempt by those with resources to corner the market, but I think that will ultimately fail. They are all using the same tactics under different disguises. Usually webmaster "resources" and they are a nickel a dozen. Its a brave new world that is an opportunity for anyone with imagination to make a high end living without massive investment nor training. Where else to you get it offered to you on a plate like this?
high end living my ass.

the bottom DID fell. We were not talking high end living back than,
we were talking "in and out and set for life"

try to do it nowadays with all your "wises" and well calculated plans.....

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 11 2004, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 11 2004, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 04:50 PM

The bottom never fell out. The market just corrected and the losers lost. The competition got greater. That is not a falling sky, it is an opportunity to build a solid business if you are better than the rest. Quality is more important than ever in all aspects of retail. The public is demanding it in everything from burgers to appliances. There does seem to be an attempt by those with resources to corner the market, but I think that will ultimately fail. They are all using the same tactics under different disguises. Usually webmaster "resources" and they are a nickel a dozen. Its a brave new world that is an opportunity for anyone with imagination to make a high end living without massive investment nor training. Where else to you get it offered to you on a plate like this?
high end living my ass.

the bottom DID fell. We were not talking high end living back than,
we were talking "in and out and set for life"

try to do it nowadays with all your "wises" and well calculated plans.....[/b][/quote]
But serge, a few well calculated real estate deals can do that for you today. I have seen way too many people who are set for life come and go. I was in a business in the 60's and seventies that had way more potential profit and I saw a lot of people make a lot of money and I wonder where they are today. Of course, it was not quite as legal an enterprise.
A few of the smart guys will be set for life but I would assume that they are not posting on the boards like you and I. Why would they? They are rich, we, I guess are not.

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Originally posted by gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 05:56 PM

But serge, a few well calculated real estate deals can do that for you today. I have seen way too many people who are set for life come and go. I was in a business in the 60's and seventies that had way more potential profit and I saw a lot of people make a lot of money and I wonder where they are today. Of course, it was not quite as legal an enterprise.
A few of the smart guys will be set for life but I would assume that they are not posting on the boards like you and I. Why would they? They are rich, we, I guess are not.
hmmmm.....rich do not post on the boards????

what gave you this idea????

I saw Sysco president, CEO and owner posting on RagingBull invetment chat board, and he is not exactly poor. Need more names of BILLIONAIRS for me to throw at you as an examples of posters?

I see Aga posting, Lensman posting,
and those guys are not exactly poor either.

Posting is fun and a good time killer bet ween the trades
;-)))

as for "calculated real estate deals"
I saw Harry Grant losing his shirt and declaring bancrupcy on 250,000,000 project in Newark, NJ,
I saw Reichman brothers (Olympia York) going the same route in London project....

there is NO such a thing as a "safe real estate investment with no possibility to lose"

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P.S. I used those names only because I know those people personally,
I'm sure there are LOTS of other stories when real estate deals went titty up

http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam92/1992...tml/s920409.htm (http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam92/1992html/s920409.htm)
(Olympia York disaster)

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P.P.S.
http://www.transalt.org/press/media/2000/0...528nytimes.html (http://www.transalt.org/press/media/2000/000528nytimes.html)

Harry Grant's last triumph and fall

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re: Olympia York..
it failed despite the book wwritten about them with title:
"Too Big to fail"
;-)))

http://www.beardbooks.com/too_big_to_fail.html

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 03:55 PM
re: Olympia York..
it failed despite the book wwritten about them with title:
"Too Big to fail"
;-)))

http://www.beardbooks.com/too_big_to_fail.html
Yeah, I know who the Reichmans are. Local boys make good. Guess they should have quit while they were ahead. Don't know who aga or lensman are, but I haven't seen the Reichmans posting lately. Since you know the Reichmans personally, didn't they ever steer you into great real estate? But the point is a lot of people lose what they got because they never really earned it in the first place. They just made it. I am making an argument for quitting while you are on top. That's all.

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Originally posted by gilgy+Jun 11 2004, 07:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gilgy @ Jun 11 2004, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 03:55 PM
re: Olympia York..
it failed despite the book wwritten about them with title:
"Too Big to fail"
;-)))

http://www.beardbooks.com/too_big_to_fail.html
Yeah, I know who the Reichmans are. Local boys make good. Guess they should have quit while they were ahead. Don't know who aga or lensman are, but I haven't seen the Reichmans posting lately. Since you know the Reichmans personally, didn't they ever steer you into great real estate? But the point is a lot of people lose what they got because they never really earned it in the first place. They just made it. I am making an argument for quitting while you are on top. That's all.[/b][/quote]
...and I did exactly that, in 1999....you are preaching to the quire.

I was working for them at World Financial Center project and I learned from their mistakes.
(it's MUCH cheaper than learn from your own ;-)

ok, you don't know Aga and Lensman...let me ask you a stupid question,
whom do you KNOW in the business?

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 11 2004, 04:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 11 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 07:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 03:55 PM
re: Olympia York..
it failed despite the book wwritten about them with title:
"Too Big to fail"
;-)))

http://www.beardbooks.com/too_big_to_fail.html
Yeah, I know who the Reichmans are. Local boys make good. Guess they should have quit while they were ahead. Don't know who aga or lensman are, but I haven't seen the Reichmans posting lately. Since you know the Reichmans personally, didn't they ever steer you into great real estate? But the point is a lot of people lose what they got because they never really earned it in the first place. They just made it. I am making an argument for quitting while you are on top. That's all.
...and I did exactly that, in 1999....you are preaching to the quire.

I was working for them at World Financial Center project and I learned from their mistakes.
(it's MUCH cheaper than learn from your own ;-)

ok, you don't know Aga and Lensman...let me ask you a stupid question,
whom do you KNOW in the business?[/b][/quote]
I know all the people that I do business with. My server guys. My billing people. My bankers and merchant account folks. And a ton of girls. Why?

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Originally posted by gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 07:53 PM
Why?
why???

Because I have a feeling that you have no idea what are the real money were made in this industry.

no wonder you use terms like "upscale living"

what do you think the take was in 1999?
1 mil? 2 mils? 10 mils? 20 mils?

...and to make this quiz more fun,
you gotta say if I talk yearly or monthly
;-))))

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 11 2004, 05:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 11 2004, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 07:53 PM
Why?
why???

Because I have a feeling that you have no idea what are the real money were made in this industry.

no wonder you use terms like "upscale living"

what do you think the take was in 1999?
1 mil? 2 mils? 10 mils? 20 mils?

...and to make this quiz more fun,
you gotta say if I talk yearly or monthly
;-))))[/b][/quote]
I am not quite sure what your point is or why I should care. In every business there are those who do extremely well, those that do well, those that bump along and those who fail. In the film business, for instance, those numbers you quote are not huge, but at the low end they are massive. Then there are tons who do well, raise their families, drive two cars, belong to the country club and live well making their little docs and films.
I for instance choose to travel the world and live in a fine place with nice art on the walls. Drive a couple of cars. Am about to buy a couple more houses and eat at any restaurant I choose. I am not wealthy, but I am not poor. I have been known to drop a grand on dinner for two and on a whim fly to Europe. I will be in France, Spain and Tuscany this year and am about to take a month off...well not really...but travel for a month driving across the continent and do a minimum of work.
I am not making millions...but cumumtively have made more than most and will continue to do so. I am also old enough to have seen a lot of bullshit so those amounts really don't impress me. I don't mean any of this in an adversarial way, just telling you how I feel from one who does very well out of the internet and all it has to offer. Your friends lensman and aga I am sure made a shitpot and I say good luck to them. I wish most people the best unless they fuck with me and give me grief. That's all.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 08:36 PM
what do you think the take was in 1999?
1 mil? 2 mils? 10 mils? 20 mils?

...and to make this quiz more fun,
you gotta say if I talk yearly or monthly

I know I know I know.......

But due to certain legal issues I probably shouldn't answer....... :yowsa:

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Originally posted by sarettah+Jun 11 2004, 08:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Jun 11 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 08:36 PM
what do you think the take was in 1999?
1 mil? 2 mils? 10 mils? 20 mils?

...and to make this quiz more fun,
you gotta say if I talk yearly or monthly

I know I know I know.......

But due to certain legal issues I probably shouldn't answer....... :yowsa:[/b][/quote]
I know that YOU know
;-))))

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gilgy,
my point is:
it's EASY to enjoy your growth every year,
because you don't have the top to look at, the top which was made in 1999.

IF you made millions in 1999,
your today's "growth" would look very pigmeish to you. Therefore,
all your talk about "bottom hasn't fell",
"making upsacel living" is a bit funny to us who saw the "Everest" in 1999.

I am not dissing you,
(I told you the other day I like your train of thought and I don't post to you in controversial way, just making observation and point to the flaws of your posts)

..and to quote another fellow Jew:
"Everything is Relative in this world"

(--Einstein)


I wish you the best, and wish your gig in internet porn to last forever and most of all....to BE on "Everest",
lots of things look different from above and...make kick ass memories to recall on the death bed
;-)))))

[gilgy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 05:57 PM
gilgy,
my point is:
it's EASY to enjoy your growth every year,
because you don't have the top to look at, the top which was made in 1999.

IF you made millions in 1999,
your today's "growth" would look very pigmeish to you. Therefore,
all your talk about "bottom hasn't fell",
"making upsacel living" is a bit funny to us who saw the "Everest" in 1999.

I am not dissing you,
(I told you the other day I like your train of thought and I don't post to you in controversial way, just making observation and point to the flaws of your posts)

..and to quote another fellow Jew:
"Everything is Relative in this world"

(--Einstein)


I wish you the best, and wish your gig in internet porn to last forever and most of all....to BE on "Everest",
lots of things look different from above and...make kick ass memories to recall on the death bed
;-)))))
You have to understand something, Serge. I have been on Everest in my past career. I have no need to retrace my footsteps. If I kacked tomorrow, I would have achieved more than most and would die content. This is a good living with a good future. My goal is peace and contentment. I have lived a life that others could only dream of. The bottom never fell out for me because I was thrilled when I realized half a million dollars a year was an easy nut to crack. I never cared to go through the agro to make the big bucks. I am content, so the bottom has not fallen out of my market and I am sure there are thousands out there like me that normally fly below the radar and are content to do so. I also like the way you and your buddy Einstein think. I guess to be fair the bottom did fall out of their market. I see your point.



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gilgy, and where we BOTH agree, and I bet we BOTH seen it:
one can be content AND HAPPY with $500,000,
while others are DISCONTENT AND NEVER BE HAPPY with 50 mils, 500 mils and even bils.

We ALL saw Wall Street big wigs going to jail,
and those poor souls had more than ALL of us combined.

You have a WISE attitude which comes with age and I wish all the youngsters out there to have 1/10th of your attitude and...just be content and happy.

I know I am
;-))))

[RyanLanane]

I haven't read through all this thread, but I will... eventually when it dies down.

My reply will be interesting enough.. Please keep this thread going in the meantime. I find some of the answers such as "Invest in HDTV!" as pure brilliance that will lead you to a point in your life very few of you can imagine sitting where you are now :)

Fighting to get back to where you were, let me leave what I have to say at that... And yes I "was" on top of this world we call internet porn at one point of time.. More on top of it then 95% of you will ever be. But I made mistakes, alot of them. Those of you that think you are impervious of making the same mistakes, think twice... And stay focused.

Don't make the same mistakes I did, and that is all I can say.... I will find this a very interesting read once this thread dies down I am sure many of you... if you are WISE will have LEARNED something. Potentially what could have been THE most important lesson in your life!

"Never count on what is working in the present, ALWAYS plan for the future"

That's just my take on it all though, and 99.99% of you don't know me.

[cj]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 11 2004, 05:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 11 2004, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Brad "little weasel" Shaw@Jun 11 2004, 04:08 PM
People who whine about over saturation and bottoms falling out are living in 1999. There are still a handful of wise ones making record amounts of $. Survival of the fittest, and do not put all your eggs in one basket.

When people stop looking at porn online I will retire.
spoken like a truly player wanna be who was crying in 1999 on FM's shoulder!

it will take you 10 life times, cretin, to make what players were making in 1999 alone
;-))))

but.....explaining the fool that he is a fool is exercize in futility.[/b][/quote]
serge, don't pick on Brad

he's made enough money to buy a wife AND a new set of breasts!!!! :yowsa:

imagine if he hadn't spent the first few years slagging everyone for doing the things he now relies on, he might have been able to retire! :rolleyes:

[cj]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 11 2004, 09:17 PM
gilgy, and where we BOTH agree, and I bet we BOTH seen it:
one can be content AND HAPPY with $500,000,
while others are DISCONTENT AND NEVER BE HAPPY with 50 mils, 500 mils and even bils.

We ALL saw Wall Street big wigs going to jail,
and those poor souls had more than ALL of us combined.

You have a WISE attitude which comes with age and I wish all the youngsters out there to have 1/10th of your attitude and...just be content and happy.

I know I am
;-))))
and while that sounds like the most simple thing in the world, we raise our children in a way that achieves totally the opposite

child cries ... gets icecream
child hits another child ... gets a 'talk'
child smashes new toy ... gets another one
child demands mcdonalds ... child gets mcdonalds

I observe parents all the time, and I can't believe how often they give in to their children to save argument, or say things to them like 'stop crying and i'll get you a treat'. everything we teach them is to want more but to never be satisfied for long when they get it. school, college etc, all to work towards a goal that most people will never achieve and those that do feel disappointed with ... teaching us to desire & reach for more material posessions we live in a state of 'i will be happy when ........'

the absence of the things we desire is the cause of unhappiness ... so why do we have to spend the first 25 years of our life being pushed in the wrong direction because the voice of happiness speaks quieter than desire created by TV commercials?

I just spent the day with children :headwall:
BRING BACK SPANKING AND WOODEN SPOONS!!!!!!!!!

Ryan, your story sounds familiar ;-) Ya know what they say though, the only place to go from the bottom is up & the only place to go from the top is .................

[Lisa]

Aww bugger...there goes my plans to send the kids to Auntie CJ's for a sleepover in the holidays. :D :P

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Originally posted by cj@Jun 12 2004, 04:55 AM


imagine if he hadn't spent the first few years slagging everyone for doing the things he now relies on, he might have been able to retire! :rolleyes:
hahahhahahahahahaha,
very good point and right on the money
;-))))

[cj]

its ok, i'm in training :D

it feels like boot camp ... but i'm told that's good for you <_<

when is the holidays? i was going to see if alex wanted to do the markets with me one weekend. kez moved out so i almost have rooms for all the kids now :biglaugh:

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Originally posted by cj@Jun 12 2004, 05:15 AM
the only place to go from the bottom is up & the only place to go from the top is .................
cj,
not necesserally:

we all know where one went from the top of the mountain called Golgofa
;-))))

[Lisa]

Hols start June 26...Actually Alex might like to go with you that weekend. We have Jordie's bday party on the 25th and we're going to the Test on the 26th so she needs to sleep elsewhere both of those nights. She'll prolly go to her dad's one of them, but you can have her the other. :)

[cj]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 12 2004, 05:57 AM
we all know where one went from the top of the mountain called Golgofa
;-))))
no we don't, but go ahead and tell us .... i tried google but its late and i need the condensed version :P

Lisa, she can stay here both nights
i will see if i can book a stall for that weekend ;-)

[Lisa]

Cool...feel free to bring out the wooden spoon when required. :D

[cj]

yeah she'd piss herself laughing if i tried that one :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by cj@Jun 12 2004, 06:11 AM

no we don't, but go ahead and tell us .... i
The Crucifixion
Mk. 15.21-41 · Lk. 23.26-49 · Joh. 19.17-30
32 ¶ And as they came out, they found a man of Cyre'ne, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.

33 And when they were come unto a place called Gol'gotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,


http://www.paintingofrussia.com/images_b/b1437.jpg

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by gilgy@Jun 11 2004, 08:47 AM
Why should the business not be a career? It seems that it is as viable as any other. It is profitable, substantial, and has a pretty bright future. Its like any other business.
that's the way i'm looking at it. slowly but surely i'm using my mainstream online income to finance my ventures in adult. there is no end to the opportunities i see.