Kerry rejected by his comrades!

[Mike AI]

http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2.htm

Senator Kerry
We write from our common heritage as veterans of duty aboard Swift Boats in the Vietnam War. Indeed, you should note that a substantial number of those men who served directly with you during your four month tour in Vietnam have signed this letter.

It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us). Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.

We believe you continue this conduct today, albeit by changing from an anti-war to a "war hero" status. You now seek to clad yourself in the very medals that you disdainfully threw away in the early years of your political career. In the process, we believe you continue a deception as to your own conduct through such tactics as the disclosure of only carefully screened portions of your military records. Both then and now, we have concluded that you have deceived the public, and in the process have betrayed honorable men, to further your personal political goals.

Your conduct is such as to raise substantive concerns as to your honesty and your ability to serve, as you currently seek, as Commander-in-Chief of the military services.

It is vital that the American public have as much information as possible about candidates for President of the United States. In various ways, you have rightly called upon President Bush to be fully accountable and to provide full disclosure. In the same spirit, now that you are the presumptive nominee of your Party, we believe it is incumbent upon you to make your total military record open to the American people.

Specifically, we the undersigned formally request that you authorize the Department of the Navy to independently release your military records (through your execution of Standard Form 180), complete and unaltered, including your military medical records. Further, we call upon you to correct the misconceptions your campaign seeks to create as to your conduct while in Vietnam. Permit the American public the opportunity to assess your military performance upon the record, and not upon campaign rhetoric.

Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the truth. We have been silent long enough. The stakes are too great, not only for America in general but, most importantly, for those who have followed us into service in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you to provide a full, accurate accounting of your conduct in Vietnam.

Respectfully

[RawAlex]

Mike, reads to me like the personal campaign of one or two people to agressively distort the situation.

MANY of the people who fight in wars come back and hate war. In Vietnam (and Korean) wars, soldiers saw and did things that would make your stomach turn. It is enough to make the most hawkish amoungst us to have some dovish days.

I think it much better that the US is lead in battle by someone with enough experience to know both the good and the bad, rather than just sending good boys and girls off to die in questionable situations.

Why doesn't this website ask questions about Bush's missing year? About how he used his family contacts to avoid real service, while Kerry was actually out fighting in the field?

Nah, that would be partisan, now wouldn't it?

:agrin:

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Alex, I agree with you for once....

[JoesHO]

I will third, that one....

Mike, come on, you don't believe drudge, but you listen to sour grapes?
:awinky:

[Vick]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 2 2004, 11:19 AM
reads to me like the personal campaign of one or two people to agressively distort the situation.


You could say the exact same thing about any Micheal Moore Satire

Funny how that works isn't it

[PeerPatrick]

At least Kerry went to war...ol' GDub was prob off somewhere snorting coke through his rolled up draft card while his lesser connected peers were fighting and dying in the jungles of Vietnam.

As an intellectual elitist and rabid Classist, I wholly applaud his actions. The rich and powerful should be privileged. All men(women) are created equal, it's just that some should be more equal than others. :salute:

GDub should never feel embarrassed for sending kids off to war even though he never fought in one. He is not a morally corrupt puppet dictator. Aloha Gas? That was just an accounting error.

The Cheney Junta never financially profited from any of their political/police actions. I don't know why anyone would say that they're all a bunch of criminals.
:headwall:

[Almighty Colin]

Party politics. Not much of a case either.

[SykkBoy]

Odd, this past weekend, we made a very quick trip to Boulder City for a celebration and the talk there seemed more supportive of Kerry than Bush amongst the Vets (especially the Vietnam vets). Maybe those guys just don't have Internet access or web hosting to voice their support.....

[Mike AI]

Actually many of the people who signed that document are Democrats and independants. Many voted for Gore in the last election.

No doubt it is meant to hurt Kerry..... but look at Kerry's record in Vietnman, then the way he returned and testified in congress exagerating and out right lying about the actions of American Soldiers. Tie that in with throwing the medals to the ground, and I think it speaks volumes about the man.

Now if you want to compare that to Bush' partying while in National Guard, that is fine - but I am saying look at the actions on its on weight.

[PornoDoggy]

Wow ... welcome to February.

[RawAlex]

Mike, it shows that:

1 - he had the balls to go and fight, while others stayed at home thanks to dad and friends.
2 - he had the balls to be upset about the things that happened in vietnam
3 - he had the balls to admit that he was against that war
4 - he had the balls not to want to be part of it
5 - he had the balls to try to find a way to stop it
6 - he had the balls to show he had feelings and second thoughts

It takes a big man to admit that he has had second thoughts about an important issue. Make me comfortable to know that he probably isn't 100% decided on war issues before they come up.

Bush, let's see. Stayed home, hid out for a year, closest he got to a woudned soldier was probably someone with a hangnail. When the issue of war came up, he hasn't hesitated to send troops in again and again, even when best interests are not clear.

Yeah, weight the actions.

Alex

[JoesHO]

Kerry, fought, and led, while earning medals and accomidations for his actions (those action you place so much weight on , mike)

he did nothing subversive, quite the opposite, he fulfilled his duty, and stayed and fought to the best of his ability, followed orders with distinction, was granted an honorable discharge, then decided that he would fight for what he believed to be the right thing.

how exactly did his ACTIONS cause him to be any less of a patriot that did his duty instead of calling his daddy?

[Mike AI]

Kerry went to be the next JFK from Mass. He has been planning out his life in politicas and running for President since he was 12.

I do not trust people who are that calculating....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 2 2004, 02:47 PM
Kerry went to be the next JFK from Mass. He has been planning out his life in politicas and running for President since he was 12.

I do not trust people who are that calculating....
Gore was calculating the same thing and ...he invented the Internet!

Maybe Kerry will come up with something cool too?
;-)))

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 2 2004, 02:47 PM
Kerry went to be the next JFK from Mass. He has been planning out his life in politicas and running for President since he was 12.

I do not trust people who are that calculating....
I guess I'm better off grooming my son to be the next Angus Young as opposed to being the next President?

well, my son can play "Iron Man" all the way through and can play the major riff to "Back In Black" and "Highway To Hell", so he'll probably be better off (and make more money) as a guitar god than the leader of the most powerful nation in the world.

So, you're saying it's bad for kids to dream about being President of the United States when they grow up?

[Almighty Colin]

Attacking the president or a presidential candidate on their military record (or lack thereof) has sure become the norm. Kerry, Bush, Clinton. Wonder how long it's been this way.

That's what I mean by party politics. The people and the websites promoting the attacks have party agendas and loyalties.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Jun 2 2004, 03:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Jun 2 2004, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Jun 2 2004, 02:47 PM
Kerry went to be the next JFK from Mass. He has been planning out his life in politicas and running for President since he was 12.

I do not trust people who are that calculating....
I guess I'm better off grooming my son to be the next Angus Young as opposed to being the next President?

well, my son can play "Iron Man" all the way through and can play the major riff to "Back In Black" and "Highway To Hell", so he'll probably be better off (and make more money) as a guitar god than the leader of the most powerful nation in the world.

So, you're saying it's bad for kids to dream about being President of the United States when they grow up?[/b][/quote]
Not bad to dream about it, but to live your life manipulating events to build up a record to run on, I personally find distasteful.

I want a person who has his own life, and does his own thing - then decide to become a politican.

People who have never had real jobs who go from college to lawschool interning for senators, to running for political office are what is killing this country. ( This is for both liberals and conservatives)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 2 2004, 03:17 PM
Not bad to dream about it, but to live your life manipulating events to build up a record to run on, I personally find distasteful.
So you really DON'T like politicians? :groucho:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Colin+Jun 2 2004, 03:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Jun 2 2004, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Jun 2 2004, 03:17 PM
Not bad to dream about it, but to live your life manipulating events to build up a record to run on, I personally find distasteful.
So you really DON'T like politicians? :groucho:[/b][/quote]
I despise them.

Honestly one of the things I liked about Bush was he was a good old boy. He was a good-off when he was young, he was a normal person. He made his fair share of mistakes, and learned from them.

People who live their lives just to put things on resumes DRIVE ME UP A WALL! I remember people in undergrad and lawschool who did this, you could see right through them!!

[dig420]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jun 2 2004, 03:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jun 2 2004, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Jun 2 2004, 03:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Jun 2 2004, 03:17 PM
Not bad to dream about it, but to live your life manipulating events to build up a record to run on, I personally find distasteful.
So you really DON'T like politicians? :groucho:
I despise them.

Honestly one of the things I liked about Bush was he was a good old boy. He was a good-off when he was young, he was a normal person. He made his fair share of mistakes, and learned from them.

People who live their lives just to put things on resumes DRIVE ME UP A WALL! I remember people in undergrad and lawschool who did this, you could see right through them!![/b][/quote]
yeah, ol' Georgie was just a good ol' silver spoon millionaire's son cokehead draft dodging alcoholic. He shore is jest a reg'lar fella, way smarter than them hippies from the uneeeeeeeeversiteh... a pure-d country boah from Yale by way of Kennebunkport!

this whole organization's credibility has been blown out of the water, this has been covered on many many websites, don't know how anyone interested could have missed it. One of the main guys in it was handpicked by Nixon during Kerry's anti-war period to be the 'anti-Kerry', and he was rewarded with a cushy legal career.

How in the world have you managed not to do any research at all on these guys before posting what they say as gospel? You're obviously a smart guy Mike, but you only see what you want to see.

http://archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2...04/05/04/swift/ (http://archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift/)

http://archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2...4/05/14/gannon/ (http://archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/14/gannon/)



Last edited by dig420 at Jun 3 2004, 12:25 AM

[RawAlex]

dig, one thing you learn about republican hacks is that they don't let facts get in the way of a good hatchet job.

Bush has no military record, just some time passed with the help of his family. His party should be talking about his amazing record, rather than bad mouthing kerry for having one.

Alex