Michael Moore wins at Cannes

[RawAlex]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/...e.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/22/cannes.finale.ap/index.html)

Could this movie be THAT powerful?

Alex

[JR]

as powerful as chanting "I hate niggers" at a KKK rally.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@May 22 2004, 03:28 PM
as powerful as chanting "I hate niggers" at a KKK rally.
e-xactly!

I wonder if Alex don't really see it or if he pretends that he doesn't

[SykkBoy]

Actually, I think Kathleen Turner and Quentin Tarrantino are both republicans and they were on the jury....

[pushpills]

one sided stories are for mules, fools, and the unbathed french.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by pushpills@May 22 2004, 04:09 PM
one sided stories are for mules, fools, and the unbathed french.
thats the smartes thing you've ever said

[RawAlex]

JR, Serge, you would be more correct if the jury in this thing was nothing but french nationals, but alas, that is not the case:



There are actually three juries at Cannes, but the one that counts is the one that decides who will receive the prestigious Palme d'Or for best feature film. This year's panel will be chaired by Quentin Tarantino, who won the Palme ten years ago for Pulp Fiction and returns to the Croisette hot from the success of Kill Bill Volume 2. "It's a dream come true to be the President of the Cannes jury," he says. "I've always considered Cannes the pinnacle of world film-making, and to go there ten years after winning the Palme d'Or is terrific." Quentin will be joined by a trio of actresses from the US, France and Britain (Kathleen Turner, Emmanuelle Béart and Tilda Swinton), plus Belgian director Benoît Poelvoorde and Hong Kong action supremo Tsui Hark. British actor Tim Roth will chair the Camera d'Or panel, which recognises the best first film screened at the festival.

So you have two brits, two americans, a chinese, a belgian and one single french actress.

Location may cause the effect, I guess...

One sided chat boards are for.... you know the rest ;-)

Alex

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 22 2004, 04:34 PM

So you have two brits, two americans, a chinese, a belgian and one single french actress.

and the chinese director was a huge influence on Tarrantino ;-)
I'm going to have to break out Tsui Hark's "Chinese Ghost Story" and watch it again.



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[Joe Sixpack]

It's funny that everyone here is judging a film that they haven't seen.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@May 22 2004, 05:41 PM
It's funny that everyone here is judging a film that they haven't seen.
hey,
I am from USSR,
I was taught to do that for 22 years
;-))))

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 22 2004, 02:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 22 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@May 22 2004, 05:41 PM
It's funny that everyone here is judging a film that they haven't seen.
hey,
I am from USSR,
I was taught to do that for 22 years
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Serge you actually made me laugh!

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by slavdogg+May 22 2004, 04:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ May 22 2004, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@May 22 2004, 04:09 PM
one sided stories are for mules, fools, and the unbathed french.
thats the smartes thing you've ever said[/b][/quote]
When you consider the size of the brain of a parrot, "Polly wants a cracker" is pretty profound, too ...

[RawAlex]

Joe, no judgement here. I am only looking at the reactions and the comments made by people who have seen it, and I am commenting on those things. The Palm d'or is a pretty big prize in the movie business worldwide, one of the few truly international / multicultural / multilingual contests.

Mr Moore's film certain seems to be evoking very strong reactions on all sides, which is VERY interesting.

Alex

[Meni]

I can't wait to see this film
and when it shows how Bush took care of the Saudi's and Bin Laden's family, after 9/11
maybe some of you right wingers will reconsider your BUSH

[Evil Chris]

Why are people afraid of Michael Moore?

He's just telling it like it is.

[dig420]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 22 2004, 04:34 PM
JR, Serge, you would be more correct if the jury in this thing was nothing but french nationals, but alas, that is not the case:



There are actually three juries at Cannes, but the one that counts is the one that decides who will receive the prestigious Palme d'Or for best feature film. This year's panel will be chaired by Quentin Tarantino, who won the Palme ten years ago for Pulp Fiction and returns to the Croisette hot from the success of Kill Bill Volume 2. "It's a dream come true to be the President of the Cannes jury," he says. "I've always considered Cannes the pinnacle of world film-making, and to go there ten years after winning the Palme d'Or is terrific." Quentin will be joined by a trio of actresses from the US, France and Britain (Kathleen Turner, Emmanuelle Béart and Tilda Swinton), plus Belgian director Benoît Poelvoorde and Hong Kong action supremo Tsui Hark. British actor Tim Roth will chair the Camera d'Or panel, which recognises the best first film screened at the festival.

So you have two brits, two americans, a chinese, a belgian and one single french actress.

Location may cause the effect, I guess...

One sided chat boards are for.... you know the rest ;-)

Alex
The rest of the world hates Bush for no good reason. He's done nothing to deserve this global and domestic contempt. They only say bad things about George Bush because....


They hate Freedom.

:lol:

[Vick]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@May 22 2004, 08:30 PM
Why are people afraid of Michael Moore?

He's just telling it like it is.
Do we have to rehash this old debate AGAIN?

:( :zzz:

You either like Moore or not

You either believe Moore or not

and I think we know where most regular posters stand on the issue

[RawAlex]

You will be free. Bush will make you be free. They will force you at gunpoint to be free. Or else!

:rokk: :rokk: :rokk: :rokk: :rokk:
:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

Alex

[Buff]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@May 22 2004, 07:30 PM
Why are people afraid of Michael Moore?

He's just telling it like it is.
His last film was proven to be filled with lies. Don't be a sheep.

[RawAlex]

Hey Buff, Bush & his intelligence team have been shown to be full of lies too (you like all those WMD that got taken in Iraq?).

Don't be a sheep.

Alex

[Opti]

Deja Vu America...

Anyone remember this film?

The Panama Decpetion (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105089/)

http://www.webslingerz.com/eclauset/mediasouth/project/panama/helpget.gif

Here is a website that has the film online.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/a...article4078.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4078.htm)

This film isn't like Moore's.... it may present a political viewpoint like Moore does.. but this film backs what it alleges up with a lot of facts.. facts that haven't been disputed that I am aware of... Just covered up.

Anyone that sees the entire thing.. American or not.. can't help but be left open mouthed... it isn't hype at all.... and it's far more shocking than anything I have ever seen or heard from Moore.

When I first saw it my first impulse was to try and get a copy of it to every American I knew... I hope a few of you Buy It and watch it (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6302779545/qid=1085327852/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-0776280-1180924?v=glance&s=video&n=507846)



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[Mike AI]

Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.

It is all about targeting to your audience.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 01:31 AM
Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.

It is all about targeting to your audience.
It is hard to argue it is the type of film normally picked for the Palm Dor.. but at least winning that award will ensure Disney's attempt at politcal censorship is well and truely stifled.

Like his film or not.. it has to bad for America that anyone in power thinks it is "right" that Moore's film should not be shown.

[Mike AI]

I am not debating the right if the movie should be shown or not. The gov't certainly should not make that decision.

If a private company decides not to show it, that is NOT censorship that is business. We all make these type of decisions every day.

What plays big to liberal & european elites does not always score well with US audiences.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 01:44 AM
If a private company decides not to show it, that is NOT censorship that is business. We all make these type of decisions every day.
I don't think this washes when it comes to a large corporate distributing a film.

Particularly when the motivation appears to be fear of consequences from government.

Anyway, like you say thats not the point of your thread..

Did you know of that Panama Deception film? The way the media worked to mis-inform the population in that war should alert any American to take great care with gagging anyone wanting to put a view forward at a time like this.. it's too late to say "we were deceived" and stop the errors later.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 23 2004, 10:31 AM
Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.

It is all about targeting to your audience.
You have got to be kidding me.

Do you think the only people in that audience were liberel elite and dirty european scum who want to rule the United States?

So when do you go to work for the Bush administration in their public relations department?

[Meni]

9/11 boom
crash
tell bush
he keeps reading and listening to 5 years for 7 more minutes
oh boy, ok
whats up boys
oh al quaida? bin laden
hold on
bin laden family is in US
ok fly them out
all planes grounded?
get them off US soil
ok, now lets go after SADDAM
he might have wmds?
really?
ok use that
go with it
get the marketing chick from NYC

anyone see the fingerbang episode on south park?
bush reminds me of the mall manager
confused, 'what?" oh "what?"

[RawAlex]

Sykky, you have to fogive Mike, not only does he appear to have drunk the koolaid, I suspect he is making a fresh batch... just to make sure.

Mike, read back up the page. two americans, two brits, an asian, a belgian, and a french national were the jury for this award. Come on, come up with a better answer than that sorry "liberal" tag you like to toss on everything.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+May 23 2004, 12:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ May 23 2004, 12:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@May 23 2004, 10:31 AM
Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.

It is all about targeting to your audience.
You have got to be kidding me.

Do you think the only people in that audience were liberel elite and dirty european scum who want to rule the United States?

So when do you go to work for the Bush administration in their public relations department?[/b][/quote]


What world do you live in???

The European elite has been anti-US for years. These are the people who sit in cafes and discuss why communism failed, and how they can improve it next time.

Sykk how do you think the people at the cannes film festival would react to you? :D

Think about it sport.

[dig420]

Mike, who exactly are you referring to when you say 'elites'?

I hear this word from right-wingers a lot, and all I can infer from it is that you mean educated people. Are right-wingers opposed to education? If 'elite' isn't referring to educated people, who is it referring to?

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI+May 23 2004, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ May 23 2004, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -SykkBoy@May 23 2004, 12:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@May 23 2004, 10:31 AM
Of course he won. The only chance he would have lost is if they would have released a movie of a group of 15 arabs urinanting and deficating on photos of Bush dressed in Nazi garb.

It is all about targeting to your audience.
You have got to be kidding me.

Do you think the only people in that audience were liberel elite and dirty european scum who want to rule the United States?

So when do you go to work for the Bush administration in their public relations department?


What world do you live in???

The European elite has been anti-US for years. These are the people who sit in cafes and discuss why communism failed, and how they can improve it next time.

Sykk how do you think the people at the cannes film festival would react to you? :D

Think about it sport.[/b][/quote]
I live in a world where Cannes is very prestigous film festival that draws people from all around the world.

I live in a world where differing opinions doesn't mean someone is better or worse than someone who has a different opinion.

This wasn't just a movie theater where they brought in a bunch of Frenchies to watch a movie. This is one of the largest film festivals in the world.

If this standing ovation had been done at the Blue Sky festival or Sundance or Toronto Film Festival or South By Southwest festival, would you have considered those a bunch of elitists?

Your hatred for the french and anything other than the red, white and blue has blinded you to anything but a conditioned response.

[RawAlex]

Mike, what an amazing series of postings. Jingoism at it's finest. Down with everyone else, up with us. Everyone else is wrong, we are right.

Come on. You gotta have something more than empty slogans and backhanded dismissals.

Alex

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 23 2004, 12:55 PM
Sykk how do you think the people at the cannes film festival would react to you? :D

After I create my masterpiece of cinema, I would hope they would welcome me with open arms ;-)

Not sure which script I want to try to get produced: the World War II soldiers trapped in a bunker with ghosts or the hasbeen musician trying to get his career back on track and finding out he has a daughter he didn't know about

[JR]

you guys keep ignoring a simple fact...

is there a political message to what is being called a "documentary"?

yes?
no?

If yes, how would any normal person expect that political message to be recieved in Cannes, France?

Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?

I think it is quite ok to agree with the movie and its content. I think it is retarded to play stupid and act as if it is just "one more movie" with no particular message that was chosen for top honors because... uhm... hmmm... now that i think about it... why exactly was it chosen? Tremendous directing? What makes a "documentary" the best film of the year? cool re-inactments? great sets? perfect costumes?

Were you guys making the same rediculous arguments when Wag The Dog was given the Best Film Of The Year honors in Yugoslavia at the time NATO was bombing Serb troops in Kosovo? You did not see a "possible" connection? It was not maybe... possibly... just maybe somehow politically motivated? Maybe people were likely to agree because it sent a message they believed in? maybe? is it possible?

[RawAlex]

JR, none of us have seen the movie, so no idea. It's moot anyway. Mike has dismissed the cannes award as basically a bunch of stupid anti-american french communist cafe sitting losers thumbing their noses at Bush.

What can I say?

Alex

[Opti]

From Mike's mailing list today..

*******
"Fahrenheit 9/11" Wins Top Prize in Cannes

May 23, 2004



Friends,



Hello from Cannes! I’m sure by now many of you have heard the good news—“Fahrenheit 9/11” has won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival. It is the first time in nearly 50 years a documentary has won the Palme d’Or (the Golden Palm).



Myself and twenty-six members of our crew are here in Cannes and we are in a state of shock. None of us expected this. First came the critics’ reviews on Monday (The New York Times called it my best film ever), then the audience reaction at our premiere (a 20-minute standing ovation, a new all-time record for the festival), the International Federation of Film Critics Award on Friday, and then the best film prize last night. It’s all been an incredible week for us and I can’t wait to get back home and show you all this wonderfully powerful film we’ve made.



No, we still don’t have a distributor in America as I write this but after winning the world’s top film prize I’d give it about one more day (if that) before we have someone brave enough (and smart enough) to show Americans what the world can already see (Albania, this week, became the final country—other than the U.S.—to sign on with a distributor).



I am still hoping for a July release (4th of July weekend?) both in the U.S. and around the world.



I fully expect the right wing and the Republican Party to come at me and this film with everything they’ve got. They will try, as they have unsuccessfully in the past, to attack me personally because they cannot win the debate on the issues the film raises—namely, that they are a pack of liars and the American people are on to them. And, if the early screenings of “Fahrenheit 9/11” are any indication, those who see this movie will never view the Bush administration in the same way again. Even if you already can’t stomach George W. Bush & Co., I think this movie will take you to places you haven’t gone before, with laughter and with tears.



I will let you all know—as soon as we have a distributor—the date the film is opening. Until then, check out some of the articles that have been written, and check out the awards ceremony from Cannes.



Thanks everyone for your support.



Yours,

Michael Moore

mmflint@aol.com

www.michaelmoore.com



P.S. When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere refer to this prize as coming from “the French,” please know that of the nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the jury (four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American (Quentin Tarantino). But this fact won’t stop the O’Reillys or the Lenos or the Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, that’s how their simple minds function.


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[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 23 2004, 01:25 PM
JR, none of us have seen the movie, so no idea. It's moot anyway. It's moot anyway. Mike has dismissed the cannes award as basically a bunch of stupid anti-american french communist cafe sitting losers thumbing their noses at Bush.

you are probably right to evade a losing argument and pass it off to Mike

[JR]

Originally posted by Opti@May 23 2004, 01:27 PM

P.S. When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere refer to this prize as coming from “the French,” please know that of the nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the jury (four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American (Quentin Tarantino). But this fact won’t stop the O’Reillys or the Lenos or the Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, that’s how their simple minds function.


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you know, i watched Fox News a few times recently and i was a little shocked by the fact that a lot of what they say and how they say it borders on hate speech.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JR+May 23 2004, 04:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ May 23 2004, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@May 23 2004, 01:25 PM
JR, none of us have seen the movie, so no idea. It's moot anyway. It's moot anyway. Mike has dismissed the cannes award as basically a bunch of stupid anti-american french communist cafe sitting losers thumbing their noses at Bush.

you are probably right to evade a losing argument and pass it off to Mike[/b][/quote]


:lol:

Alex, I would have said this about Cannes anytime.... I am just a simple Southern Boy who does not understand all the red carpet, and golden palm stuff.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by JR@May 23 2004, 04:15 PM
you guys keep ignoring a simple fact...

is there a political message to what is being called a "documentary"?

yes?
no?

If yes, how would any normal person expect that political message to be recieved in Cannes, France?

Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?

I think it is quite ok to agree with the movie and its content. I think it is retarded to play stupid and act as if it is just "one more movie" with no particular message that was chosen for top honors because... uhm... hmmm... now that i think about it... why exactly was it chosen? Tremendous directing? What makes a "documentary" the best film of the year? cool re-inactments? great sets? perfect costumes?

Were you guys making the same rediculous arguments when Wag The Dog was given the Best Film Of The Year honors in Yugoslavia at the time NATO was bombing Serb troops in Kosovo? You did not see a "possible" connection? It was not maybe... possibly... just maybe somehow politically motivated? Maybe people were likely to agree because it sent a message they believed in? maybe? is it possible?
JR
of course the movie was political, but a point you seem to miss, is this showing at Cannes has fuckall to do with how France as a whole feels about us. If this had recieved the same ovation at Sundance, would you have said "well, of course, Utah hates the US, of course they loved it there"?

The location had little to do with it. Hell, maybe the film was actually good and fired people up. That's what good movies do. They get people talking and start dialog and conversations. Maybe this is why it won moreso than a bunch of fatcat liberal elite judges trying to piss of MikeAI an Bill O'Reilly?

[dig420]

Originally posted by JR@May 23 2004, 04:15 PM


Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?

where is Bush popular then? The deep south?

JR, what do you think the southern states know that east coast USA, west coast USA and the rest of the world doesn't? What is it about Bubba in Alabama that makes you trust his judgement more than the collective opinion of the rest of the globe?

Is it his education? His extensive world travel and appreciation for other cultures? Maybe the shining progressive history of the southern man and how he's always been proven right in the course of time :hic:

Let me ask you again Mike: Who are the elites? What defines that term?

[JR]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@May 23 2004, 01:46 PM

JR
of course the movie was political, but a point you seem to miss, is this showing at Cannes has fuckall to do with how France as a whole feels about us.
OK... lets be realistic here. I am not saying that people ONLY like it because of France and how France feels but i think it would be extremely ignorant to say it plays ZERO role. What role would the fact that it is Iran if we show "I hate Isrealies, an objective look at Jewish History" at their film festival? zero? I think thats a little naive.

It has to play a role. Politics plays a role. Partisan politics plays a role. European/US politics plays a role. Liberal/Conservative plays a role. We are not robots you know.

I fail to see how any objective look at the situation could not suggest that the deck might be stacked against US/Conservative/President Bush/War in Iraq/War on Terror politics at Cannes, France

[JR]

Originally posted by dig420+May 23 2004, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dig420 @ May 23 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@May 23 2004, 04:15 PM


Is Bush popular in Europe? In France? The US? Is Bush popular in Hollywood?

where is Bush popular then? The deep south?

JR, what do you think the southern states know that east coast USA, west coast USA and the rest of the world doesn't? What is it about Bubba in Alabama that makes you trust his judgement more than the collective opinion of the rest of the globe?

[/b][/quote]
would an anti-Bush film in Cannes France stand a better than average chance of success than say an anti-Frech film?

thought so.

thanks for playing.

[dig420]

Originally posted by JR@May 23 2004, 04:54 PM

I fail to see how any objective look at the situation could not suggest that the deck might be stacked against US/Conservative/President Bush/War in Iraq/War on Terror politics at Cannes, France
why? why is the deck stacked against the conservatives and Bush? Why is this administration hated all over the world?

Is it because Bush is so beautiful and the rest of the world is jealous?

[Opti]

Someone's got to give JR half an inch here.... the bloody film is obviously a strange choice for that award... I agree the award is a political statement of sorts.. but does it matter? People have been moved to make a statement either way.

[dig420]

Originally posted by Opti@May 23 2004, 05:00 PM
Someone's got to give JR half an inch here.... the bloody film is obviously a strange choice for that award... I agree the award is a political statement of sorts.. but does it matter? People have been moved to make a statement either way.
I've given JR plenty of rope, and so far I've found out that educated people are nefarious evil 'elites', I should shut up and trust the government not to abuse their police power, everybody the world over hates George Bush for no reason, and truck drivers from Alabama are the best, brightest and smartest people in the world.



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[Mike AI]

Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.

If Moore made a comedy about cops, or a romance movie based in Africa, he would not have won anything. Infact what happened the past 20 year's in Cannes for other Moore films?

[dig420]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 23 2004, 05:05 PM
Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.

If Moore made a comedy about cops, or a romance movie based in Africa, he would not have won anything. Infact what happened the past 20 year's in Cannes for other Moore films?
and the world is against you? They were all waiting to stick it to Bush and award Michael Moore because Moore is better looking?

Why are they so anti-Bush?

[Opti]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 08:05 AM
Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.
I agree... and Moore will look very anti-American this time if it is shown he messes with the truth the way he did with Bowling for Columbine. Either way he is going to make a small fortune out of it now.. By 4th of July the expectation could make it the biggest opening film ever.

I wonder if cedibility of the story was a factor in the panel's award decison.

It will be interesting to hear the outcry if a Tarantino connected company picks up US distribution now :)

[dig420]

Originally posted by Opti+May 23 2004, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ May 23 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@May 24 2004, 08:05 AM
Giving the film an award helps to embarass Bush, the US and give Moore some credibility. It is simple as that. I promise you this is a huge reason it won the award.
I agree... and Moore will look very anti-American this time if it is shown he messes with the truth the way he did with Bowling for Columbine. Either way he is going to make a small fortune out of it now.. By 4th of July the expectation could make it the biggest opening film ever.

I wonder if cedibility of the story was a factor in the panel's award decison.

It will be interesting to hear the outcry if a Tarantino connected company picks up US distribution now :)[/b][/quote]
Moore understands this country's history and purpose better than Bush does, and he's worked harder and longer for his country than Bush has. Bush is a silver spoon underachieving rich boy, Moore is the son of an auto factory worker. Bush got into politics for self-aggrandizement, Moore got into politics because he loves his country and didn't like the direction he saw it moving in.

Who's the patriot?

[RawAlex]

Actually, Bowling for Columbine got an award when it was shown at cannes as well, not the palme d'or, but something of note. That had nothing to do with Bush, and still it got noticed. You might not agree with the message, but I can tell you from all I have learned in the last year at school, Michael Moore sure knows how to make a movie, tell a story, and keep everything solidly on course. Not matter how absurd the situation, it is easy to relate to the situations and easy to follow his logic.

Giving awards for making good films is different from agreeing with the content of the film.

It's just one of those things.

Alex

[JR]

Originally posted by dig420@May 23 2004, 02:04 PM

I've given JR plenty of rope, and so far I've found out that educated people are nefarious evil 'elites', I should shut up and trust the government not to abuse their police power, everybody the world over hates George Bush for no reason, and truck drivers from Alabama are the best, brightest and smartest people in the world.
i have never said anything like that. you make these sorts of remarks because you cannot make a real argument with any defensible points. you are confusing me with Mike

[Buff]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 23 2004, 04:59 PM
Actually, Bowling for Columbine got an award when it was shown at cannes as well, not the palme d'or, but something of note. That had nothing to do with Bush, and still it got noticed. You might not agree with the message, but I can tell you from all I have learned in the last year at school, Michael Moore sure knows how to make a movie, tell a story, and keep everything solidly on course. Not matter how absurd the situation, it is easy to relate to the situations and easy to follow his logic.

Giving awards for making good films is different from agreeing with the content of the film.

It's just one of those things.

Alex
You know for a fact that a film that ripped Stalin or Lenin or Mao a new asshole would never win shit at that leftard film festival. It would probably get burned.

Those who worship French culture and/or seek French validation are obviously going to be leftists and will always be a great source of amusement to those of us who know we're superior to those assclowns.

[RawAlex]

Buff, you and Mike are both not understanding: The Cannes festival happens in France, but the jury was made up mostly of people from countries that went to Iraq to fight.

It ain't a "leftard" thing.

When it comes to politics, you and Mike are bum buddies! :-)

Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 24 2004, 09:01 AM
Buff, you and Mike are both not understanding: The Cannes festival happens in France, but the jury was made up mostly of people from countries that went to Iraq to fight.

It ain't a "leftard" thing.

When it comes to politics, you and Mike are bum buddies! :-)

Alex


Alex, I bet you think the media is non-biased as well....

Come on, look who is at Cannes.... run a poll, I bet the majority of the people who are there, who are participating and are judges are liberals.
It is no big deal. Most people in the ARTS tend to be liberal.

Just like at an NRA meeting, you could presume most of the people there are conservative. If Moore played his movie there, do you think it would have got a standing ovation?

Buff and I are just small cogs in the vast right wing conspiracy....

:D

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 09:06 AM
Buff and I are just small cogs in the vast right wing conspiracy....

When I was at Barnes and Noble the other day I noticed a book called
"The Official Handbook of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 09:06 AM
Just like at an NRA meeting, you could presume most of the people there are conservative. If Moore played his movie there, do you think it would have got a standing ovation?

Um, I'm an NRA member and have several family members who are lifetime NRA members and we all got a kick out of "Bowling For Columbine"

[Buff]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+May 24 2004, 08:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ May 24 2004, 08:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@May 24 2004, 09:06 AM
Just like at an NRA meeting, you could presume most of the people there are conservative. If Moore played his movie there, do you think it would have got a standing ovation?

Um, I'm an NRA member and have several family members who are lifetime NRA members and we all got a kick out of "Bowling For Columbine"[/b][/quote]
Please scan in your membership card and post it for us.

[RawAlex]

Mike, each and every media outlet is biased in some way. There are humans involved at each level who have opinions, prejudices, and preconceived notions about how the world works.

From the reporter to the editor to the producer to the presenter to the owner of the station / network, each of them has some influence as to what parts of the story will be presented, and what parts won't.

However, because you sit so far to one side, you will see more of the media being biased because almost everyone is left of you (I think Rush and O'Reilly are left of you, really), and as a result, you will see the media as being very heavily "leftard". That is because what you are seeing in the media does not match up to the opinions, prejudices and preconcieved notions that you have about the world and how it works.

NRA sure wouldn't applaud MM movies mostly because MM made Charlton Heston look like a nimrod in his last movie. I suspect he wouldn't get a big round of applause at the national gun dealers meeting either, nor probably not a GM board meeting. Mostly because he revealed too much to the world about each of those groups, and made them look foolish.

Alex

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Buff+May 24 2004, 03:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ May 24 2004, 03:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@May 23 2004, 04:59 PM
Actually, Bowling for Columbine got an award when it was shown at cannes as well, not the palme d'or, but something of note. That had nothing to do with Bush, and still it got noticed. You might not agree with the message, but I can tell you from all I have learned in the last year at school, Michael Moore sure knows how to make a movie, tell a story, and keep everything solidly on course. Not matter how absurd the situation, it is easy to relate to the situations and easy to follow his logic.

Giving awards for making good films is different from agreeing with the content of the film.

It's just one of those things.

Alex
You know for a fact that a film that ripped Stalin or Lenin or Mao a new asshole would never win shit at that leftard film festival. It would probably get burned.

Those who worship French culture and/or seek French validation are obviously going to be leftists and will always be a great source of amusement to those of us who know we're superior to those assclowns.[/b][/quote]
Oh I see only left wingers enjoy cannes....

is that the equivelant of only Rednecks enjoy Nascar?


look at the issues, the circumstances, the context in wich things are done as to the totality of the action.

if this was such a shitty film, and would not have appealed to a broad audience , then how come in a free AMERICA people were strong armed by bush to not produce it? or distribute it?

all the anti clinton coverage, ( and endorsement, along with participation from the other side) for being " A lying piece of shit blow job getting no good son of bitch was warrented?

but yet anyone that wants to see or agrees with this film, are just left wing liberal idiots? I think the word was Leftard....

do you even know what the number one underlying principle the constitution of the United States was based on?

FREEDOM of choice... and to get out from under the rule of the arristocrates!!!!

if Bill Orielly made a movie you would be shouting from the roof tops, how true it was... shit lok at when he attacked bob franken for speaking the truth..... ((sure was a lot of hippie liberals buying that book to read....)

[Mike AI]

Alex I just choose the NRA randomly, you could plug in any conservative group....

To say the award is not a political thing give no credibility at all. We all live in the real world.

I read on Drudge how the judges keep trying to explain that it was not political, that it was best film. And to some of them that may be true. But if it was not political why do they keep having to explain why. ( Apparenlty this if the first time ever....)

IN the big scheme of things, it's a non-issue. I think most people could care less what the people at the Cannes film fest think. I doubt it leads to many more ticket sales anywhere in the world.

[RawAlex]

Yeah Mike, Cannes ain't important at all...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/...reut/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/24/film.moore.reut/index.html)

haha.

Alex

[RawAlex]

Oh yeah, Mike, every study film making? Ever wonder why some films you never hear about win awards?

It is because there is a difference between a well made "best film" and a film that you agree to the content of. Agreeing or disagreeing with the content of the film doesn't make it a better or worse movie, just a movie you don't personally agree with.

MM techniques over the last 10 years have advanced very far, and his overall approach in movie making is entertaining, to the point, and yet very comfortable to watch. You might not agree with the content, but if you studied film making even slightly you would see where MM's whole technique and style are very special.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Alex, I am not debating if Moore's skills have gotten better. They have, I remember seeing his first movie and thinking it was boring - there were a few good parts.

I never said Moore was a poor filmmaker, I said he was a great propagandist.... an he is. He also found a niche of pandering to a core group of people,and he will continue to milk it for as long as he can.

Nothing moore, nothing less! :D

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 24 2004, 09:44 AM
Yeah Mike, Cannes ain't important at all...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/...reut/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/24/film.moore.reut/index.html)

haha.

Alex
The title says it all.

HOLLYWOOD HOT FOR FILM!

That is like saying, Grogan hot for new guicci wallet!

HAHAHA

Of course Hollywood is hot for it..... just like they were anti-Passion, and anti-Gibson.

Wonder which move will make more and which will get wider distribution??

Wake up Alex.

[RawAlex]

Mike, I am wide awake. Hollywood is hot for the film because (1) they will make money from it (docs like this are cheap as chips to make, net money very large) and (2) it supports a point of view many of INDIVIDUALS in the hollywood world hold.

Careful Mike you are getting so close to that cliff at the end of rightsville, the one that drops you into kooksville.

Alex

[RawAlex]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 10:07 AM
Alex, I am not debating if Moore's skills have gotten better. They have, I remember seeing his first movie and thinking it was boring - there were a few good parts.

I never said Moore was a poor filmmaker, I said he was a great propagandist.... an he is. He also found a niche of pandering to a core group of people,and he will continue to milk it for as long as he can.

Nothing moore, nothing less! :D
Yes, and he got an award at Cannes for film making.

What part of this are you not grasping?

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

I haven't seen the movie but I'm willing to speculate that the 20 minutes or so ovation was more about the politics of the film than the technique and style. It's a political film in a political year.

Is Michael Moore's technique and style so amazing as to warrant the longest ovation at Cannes in 25 years? If so he will have come a long, long way from his last movie.

Now maybe I'm wrong and Fahrenheit 911 really does make cinematographic history. Maybe with the extra budget and improvements Moore really is as good a filmmaker as a Roberto Benigni.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Buff+May 22 2004, 11:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ May 22 2004, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Evil Chris@May 22 2004, 07:30 PM
Why are people afraid of Michael Moore?

He's just telling it like it is.
His last film was proven to be filled with lies. Don't be a sheep.[/b][/quote]
A sheep? LOL that's a good one.
Coming from a card carrying member of the Republican Woolco Party.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+May 24 2004, 10:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ May 24 2004, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@May 22 2004, 11:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Evil Chris@May 22 2004, 07:30 PM
Why are people afraid of Michael Moore?

He's just telling it like it is.
His last film was proven to be filled with lies. Don't be a sheep.
A sheep? LOL that's a good one.
Coming from a card carrying member of the Republican Woolco Party.[/b][/quote]
I vote Libertarian, Chris, and his last movie was stock full of bullshit as documented all over the place. The guy is a bullshitter, and not a good one at that.

[dantheman]

Originally posted by Colin@May 24 2004, 10:23 AM
It's a political film in a political year.


this says is all.


nice job though, he and a few folks will make bank B)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Buff+May 24 2004, 09:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ May 24 2004, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -SykkBoy@May 24 2004, 08:24 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@May 24 2004, 09:06 AM
Just like at an NRA meeting, you could presume most of the people there are conservative. If Moore played his movie there, do you think it would have got a standing ovation?

Um, I'm an NRA member and have several family members who are lifetime NRA members and we all got a kick out of "Bowling For Columbine"
Please scan in your membership card and post it for us.[/b][/quote]
I don't have a scanner handy, how about I bring it to San Diego? Maybe I'll bring the latest newsletter if I can find it around here (when my wife "cleans things up" I end up losing shit forever...)

I've been a member since I was 13. I started shooting in local NRA tournaments at 14.

The whole gun control issue is what's kept me from becoming a full on liberal ;-)
well, that and the whole affirmative action bunk...

[PornoDoggy]

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interestink. But so stupid.

Ummmm ... has it occurred to anyone that MAYBE the film community is at least as disturbed by the (business decision to withhold)(attempt to suppress) this film as they fond of its anti-Bush character? That kinda hits close to home to those folks, you know?

I have to admit that denying that the anti-Bush nature of Moore's films probably played a role in the 20-minute ovation puts you squarely in the middle of De Nile in a pair of concrete boots.

And Sykboy ... be kind to our neo-con friends. Pull the string, the dolly talks. Mention film and France in the same sentence and the Pavlovian repsonse has GOT to include the word "elite." It's how they are wired. (Mike gets bonus points for making Hollywood anti-Jesus, btw.)



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[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@May 24 2004, 01:58 PM
Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interestink. But so stupid.

Ummmm ... has it occurred to anyone that MAYBE the film community is at least as disturbed by the (business decision to withhold)(attempt to suppress) this film as they fond of its anti-Bush character? That kinda hits close to home to those folks, you know?

I have to admit that denying that the anti-Bush nature of Moore's films probably played a role in the 20-minute ovation puts you squarely in the middle of De Nile in a pair of concrete boots.

And Sykboy ... be kind to our neo-con friends. Pull the string, the dolly talks. Mention film and France in the same sentence and the Pavlovian repsonse has GOT to include the word "elite." It's how they are wired. (Mike gets bonus points for making Hollywood anti-Jesus, btw.)
PD I did not say all movie fests nor all things french are elitist. I was specificly refering to Cannes.

I missed an opportunity to go a few years ago with some friends. I have first hand reports that it is indeed an elitist event. Want proof? Go there next year.... see how much it costs you.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 24 2004, 02:48 PM
I missed an opportunity to go a few years ago with some friends. I have first hand reports that it is indeed an elitist event. Want proof? Go there next year.... see how much it costs you.
Actually, all of the film fests have priced themselves out of reach of the common man ;-)

Hell, even the festival they have here is pricey for such a new fest.

Does that make it elitist? Maybe, but that doesn't mean their opinion of films is any greater or lessor than anyone else.

If anyone wants to see a good documentary that is just as political, though probably better researched ;-), watch "Fog Of War".

[RawAlex]

Mike, you use "elitist" instead of "expensive"... are you suggesting you are elitist because you can afford to go to the Cannes festival?

Nope.

Nor is cannes filled with nothing but Bush hating french nationals.

Your logic is fractured.

Alex