Welcome To BushWorld

[Meni]

Dowd: Welcome to Bushworld, where things aren't what they appear to be





Maureen Dowd
THE NEW YORK TIMES

WASHINGTON -- It's their reality. We just live and die in it.
In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home.
In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror.
In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power.
In Bushworld, we can win over Fallujah by bulldozing it.
In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis could express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down.
In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9-11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you are insisting you are not planning.
In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes.
In Bushworld, it's OK to run for re-election as the avenger of 9-11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9-11 hijackers came from.
In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations.
In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity.
In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about al-Qaida's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush.
In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America.
In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day.
In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections.
In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away.
In Bushworld, the CIA says it can't find out whether there are WMD in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are WMD.
In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft.
In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.
In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war.
In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9-11 commission like the Olsen twins.
In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements.
In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops.
In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information.
In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld.
-----
New York Times News Service

[Mike AI]

Maureen Dowd is a shrew... and that is being generous.

Glad you keep up with Drudge Meni!

[Vick]

The cops are well-groomed,
with muscled physiques in Butt Town
Their tan uniforms are tailored in chic
In Butt Town

Any young Black male who walks down the street
Is gonna get stopped by a car full of meat
But the girl with the hair
Flies by in her underwear-
She's done nothing so far to deserve that car

When you live in Butt Town
You gotta get down
But in Butt Town I'm learnin'
In Butt Town I'm earnin'
In Butt Town I'm turnin'
Into my worst nightmare

I'm tellin' you, it's a motley crew in Butt Town
Monday you're new, and Friday you're through
In Butt Town
The producer is wily, and owns what he sells
The talent is eager to go straight to hell
The tits are amazing, and everyone's gazing
At some body part-
That's the nature of art in Butt Town

All over Butt Town dreams have a show down
All over Butt Town values are thrown down
But in Butt Town I'm learnin'
In Butt Town I'm earnin'
In Butt Town I'm turnin'
Into my worst nightmare

In Butt Town baby
I'm gonna be a star
I'm gonna shake my butt far
Now here we go
I'm gonna shake my butt
Shake my butt shake my butt
In Butt Town



Iggy Pop

[Meni]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 19 2004, 10:33 PM
Maureen Dowd is a shrew... and that is being generous.

Glad you keep up with Drudge Meni!
CAll her anything you want
but Mike she hit the nail on the head
please pick her statement apart
bush voter

welcome to Bushworld

[Buff]

Originally posted by Meni@May 19 2004, 09:25 PM
Dowd: Welcome to Bushworld, where things aren't what they appear to be





Maureen Dowd
THE NEW YORK TIMES

WASHINGTON -- It's their reality. We just live and die in it.
In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home.
In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror.
In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power.
In Bushworld, we can win over Fallujah by bulldozing it.
In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis could express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down.
In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9-11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you are insisting you are not planning.
In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes.
In Bushworld, it's OK to run for re-election as the avenger of 9-11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9-11 hijackers came from.
In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations.
In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity.
In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about al-Qaida's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush.
In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America.
In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day.
In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections.
In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away.
In Bushworld, the CIA says it can't find out whether there are WMD in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are WMD.
In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft.
In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.
In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war.
In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9-11 commission like the Olsen twins.
In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements.
In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops.
In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information.
In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld.
-----
New York Times News Service
Meni, your being uneducated doesn't make me a redneck.

[Meni]

Buff, how does that post, make ME uneducated?
I'm listening
lets go sally, tell me where there are LIES in that post
ha
and buffy get rid of the stupid punisher icon

[Buff]

Originally posted by Meni@May 19 2004, 10:12 PM
Buff, how does that post, make ME uneducated?
I'm listening
lets go sally, tell me where there are LIES in that post
ha
and buffy get rid of the stupid punisher icon
Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.

That's the zenith of stupidity in that mountain of drivel.



Last edited by Buff at May 19 2004, 10:21 PM

[XXXPhoto]

Meni,

You can kiss my hairy redneck ass right on the pucker with your pompus dreamworld drippin lips... I've grown weary of your pathetic posturing, thinking in your deluded head that anyone here is impressed you are 'rated hot', can lift a few freeweights and have had your penis in a pornstars snatch... Was it a matter of getting beat up too much as a kid or just not beaten on enough?

I've no love for Buff's opinions on several topics but for you and your I'm so special cause I've got my wittle strong sholder in my avatar to up and suggest he change his 'tough guy' icon is fucking bullshit... opranos a forum, gfy is the playground... toddle off and go steal some lunchmoney ya fruitcake.

[Dravyk]

BushWorld .... eeeesh, I think I'd actually rather go to DollyWood. :P

[PornoDoggy]

Buff ... have you ever woken up with both a black eye and a hickey?

Has your entire family headed straight to the shooting range after opening your [insert religious holiday here] presents?

Do you have more than one living relative is named after a southern civil war general?

Do you think that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food groups?

Does Jack Daniels make your list of "most admired people"?

Do you think the Mountain Men in deliverance were just "Misunderstood"?

Does a sign that says "Say No To Crack!" remind you to pull up your jeans?

Does your parakeet knows the phrase "Open up, Police!"?

Have you ever hit on somebody in a VD clinic?

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@May 19 2004, 11:12 PM
Buff ... have you ever woken up with both a black eye and a hickey?

Has your entire family headed straight to the shooting range after opening your [insert religious holiday here] presents?

Do you have more than one living relative is named after a southern civil war general?

Do you think that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food groups?

Does Jack Daniels make your list of "most admired people"?

Do you think the Mountain Men in deliverance were just "Misunderstood"?

Does a sign that says "Say No To Crack!" remind you to pull up your jeans?

Does your parakeet knows the phrase "Open up, Police!"?

Have you ever hit on somebody in a VD clinic?
hahaha

Pornofoxworthy

[PornoDoggy]

Are you avoiding the questions, Buff? :D

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@May 20 2004, 12:10 AM
Are you avoiding the questions, Buff? :D
I can honestly say yes to the JD question

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@May 20 2004, 12:12 AM
Buff ... have you ever woken up with both a black eye and a hickey?

Has your entire family headed straight to the shooting range after opening your [insert religious holiday here] presents?

Do you have more than one living relative is named after a southern civil war general?

Do you think that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food groups?

Does Jack Daniels make your list of "most admired people"?

Do you think the Mountain Men in deliverance were just "Misunderstood"?

Does a sign that says "Say No To Crack!" remind you to pull up your jeans?

Does your parakeet knows the phrase "Open up, Police!"?

Have you ever hit on somebody in a VD clinic?
Shit......


Most of them fit

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 19 2004, 07:33 PM
Maureen Dowd is a shrew... and that is being generous.

Glad you keep up with Drudge Meni!
What exactly would you classify, Ann coulter?

do you think that woman has EVER said something true?

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Buff+May 19 2004, 11:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ May 19 2004, 11:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@May 20 2004, 12:10 AM
Are you avoiding the questions, Buff? :D
I can honestly say yes to the JD question[/b][/quote]
I always thought rednecks were Jim beam drinkers, ( at least thats what bocephus says)

hank wants to boogie woogie.......

[RawAlex]

Guys, get use to it. You have had your nice run of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk for the last 10 years or so... but the liberal crowd has started to develop it's own little line of "truth benders" and "spin info-talk-news-not-all-true" radio hosts and book writers.

Michael Moore, Maureen Dowd, Al Franken... the message of the center to liberal message is getting out...

This election is going to be the death of people like Rush...

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 20 2004, 09:16 AM
Guys, get use to it. You have had your nice run of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk for the last 10 years or so... but the liberal crowd has started to develop it's own little line of "truth benders" and "spin info-talk-news-not-all-true" radio hosts and book writers.

Michael Moore, Maureen Dowd, Al Franken... the message of the center to liberal message is getting out...

This election is going to be the death of people like Rush...

Alex
You're right. The left is catching up in that department. And fast.

I think the Rushes of the world will still thrive though. In fact, if Kerry wins the next election we might see more of them. These guys need someone to attack and the current administration is always the easiest target to get everyone fired up about. What does one say when "on the same side" as the current administration? Either argue that the current administration isn't going far enough or start arguing with the other side.

At this point, the two sides seem to both thrive on the antagonism between each other anyway. Each side claims the other has an agenda, fires barbs at the other and even goes so far as to attempt lawsuits which only seems to fuel the fire and increase the expanding market. Franken thrives because of guys like Rush Limbaugh. "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot ". What would he do without him?

What do you see happening that is going to change all this?

[RawAlex]

Actually, I think it all about rebalancing the system. The "apparent center" based on what was on the air and seen for the most part was very far to the conservative side. Bush was seen when elected as "middle ground" on many of the issues that split democrat and republican, he has moved away from those views just as the center has moved away from him to a more liberal point of view. These newer voices are helping that happen, and a sort of balance is restored.

At the end of the day, the opposing voice can only grow when there is space to grow in, and Bush's policies have made that possible. Rush LImbaughs well known issues of drugs and such have more than likely also hurt him with the marginal listeners as well. There is erosion on all sides on these issues.

The public mood is changing, not sure it if it will change enough to make a big enough difference in November, but I am really starting to feel it.

if it goes too much the other way, well, it will swing back. The closer the President is to that 'apparent middle ground', the hard it is for effective opposing voices to get heard and grow.

Alex

[Vick]

The end is near

Raw Alex is making sense (while posting) and I'm inclined to agree with him :D (isn't perspective a wonderful and selective thing)

Now can you see why I have a crush on XXXPhoto :P

[Almighty Colin]

Alex,

I agree with you that there is a "rebalancing of the center". Certainly many moderates in the US feel that there has been too much of a right-shift and now a left-shift is needed. Me included.

[RawAlex]

Vick, what can I say... what was strident and far left last year is maybe a bunch closer to the middle today... it's all how you look at it.

Colin, the biggest problem is that desire to move the other way can become a mob mentality, and everyone ends up running to the extreme end of the scale, and we end up with the need to rebalance again, which means we have a rush BACK to the other end.

There are two trick to this: 1 - will it happen fast enough to get Kerry elected in November, and 2 - will it move slow enough that once Kerry gets elected, that the public doesn't over react and go back the other way within 4 years?

it is the question of 4 year versus 8 year presidents. I am starting to see that the Bush family legacy will likely be maintained (1 term presidents).

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 20 2004, 10:39 AM
Colin, the biggest problem is that desire to move the other way can become a mob mentality, and everyone ends up running to the extreme end of the scale, and we end up with the need to rebalance again, which means we have a rush BACK to the other end.

There are two trick to this: 1 - will it happen fast enough to get Kerry elected in November, and 2 - will it move slow enough that once Kerry gets elected, that the public doesn't over react and go back the other way within 4 years?
It doesn't matter to me. I don't see it as a problem. I am not intentionally in the middle of these two parties. I just happen to have preferences about the way the world should be which sometimes coincides with Republicans and on other issues with Democrats. More importantly, there are some things that I really don't like in each party's respective platform. It is those things that I'd prefer not to get to.

I no more want 12 years of Democrats than 12 years of Republicans.

Oh yeah, and the presidential election isn't the only thermostat. There is also congress. That will be interesting too.

[Mike AI]

Dowd has been writing for a long time. She should thank Drudge for getting her prime time viewing.

Rush's numbers will go up if Kerry is elected. He is much more interesting when Dems are in power. He is too partisan to blast Bush when he needs to ( and there are many reason why Bush should be blasted).

[Mike AI]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertn...n20040520.shtml (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20040520.shtml)

Bush's shaky base



May 20, 2004


WASHINGTON -- During George W. Bush's keynote address to the 40th anniversary black-tie banquet of the American Conservative Union (ACU) last week, diners rose repeatedly to applaud the president's remarks. But one man kept his seat through the 40-minute oration. It was no liberal interloper but conservative stalwart Donald Devine.

As ACU vice chairman, Devine was privileged to be part of a pre-dinner head-table reception with President Bush. However, Devine chose not to shake hands with the president. Furthermore, he is one of about 20 percent of Republicans that polls classify as not committed to voting for Bush's re-election.

The conventional wisdom portrays the latest Zogby Poll's 81 percent of Republican voters committed to Bush as reflecting extraordinary loyalty to the president by the GOP base. Actually, when nearly one out of five Republicans cannot flatly say they support Bush, that could spell defeat in a closely contested election. When Don Devine is among those one out of five, it signifies that the president's record does not please all conservatives.

In a time of crisis in Iraq, Bush spent more than an hour at the J.W. Marriott Hotel Thursday night to celebrate the ACU's anniversary and woo his conservative base. His speech was crafted to evoke the maximum response from that audience. There was no mention of either "compassionate conservatism" or "no child left behind "

Why, then, did Devine dismiss a consciously conservative speech as "long and boring"? At age 67, Devine has spent a lifetime as a party regular and faithful conservative. I first encountered him some 30 years ago when, as a University of Maryland political science professor, he was adviser and strategist for conservatives in rules fights at Republican national conventions. Directing President Reagan's Office of Personnel Management, he was one senior administration official who took seriously the Reagan Revolution. He was a political adviser in Bob Dole's presidential campaigns and ran himself for Congress and statewide office in Maryland.

So, the question remains: Why would Devine stay seated at the ACU dinner when everybody else was standing and clapping? To begin with, he shares concern with many Republicans about what the U.S. is doing in Iraq and where it is going. Businessmen I have talked to recently exercise limited patience in how long they will tolerate the bloodshed and confusion.

What most bothers Devine and other conservatives is steady growth of government under this Republican president. If Devine's purpose in devoting his life to politics was to limit government's reach, he feels betrayed that Bush has outstripped his liberal predecessors in domestic spending. A study by Brian Riedl for the conservative Heritage Foundation last December showed government spending had exceeded $20,000 per household for the first time since World War II. Riedl called it a "colossal expansion of the federal government since 1998."





Curbing this expansion surely has not been on the top of Bush's agenda for much of his time in the White House. Until recently, when a presidential political aide heard conservative complaints about runaway spending, he predictably would point to the partial-birth abortion ban and tax cuts rather than address the grievance. In the last few months, the president's men have talked a better game about spending. Nevertheless, it is too late to satisfy Republicans such as Devine who care deeply about governmental growth.

Bush is also under pressure from his conservative base to speak more clearly and more frequently against same-sex marriage. At the ACU dinner, he drew one of his many standing ovations by declaring: "We stand for institutions like marriage and family, which are the foundations of our society." That was all he said on the subject in a speech that went on at length about the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq.

Bush's saving grace for the 2004 election may be John Kerry. In the end, I am sure Don Devine will cast his ballot for George W. Bush, if only because the alternative is noxious. How many of the rest of that 19 percent of non-Bush voting Republicans in the Zogby Poll will fall in line may determine the outcome Nov. 2. That is the importance of Devine's little sit-down strike.

[Dravyk]

Nice article, Mike!

And Bush's popularity rating continues to plummet:
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectI...9BF81B37C393105 (http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=6F39C129-1A35-46B8-B9BF81B37C393105)

Now times that by two and you'll be close to Clinton's popularity rating DURING the (cough) impeachment proceedings!! LMAO!

God Bless America! :salute:

[Meni]

Originally posted by Buff+May 19 2004, 11:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ May 19 2004, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@May 19 2004, 10:12 PM
Buff, how does that post, make ME uneducated?
I'm listening
lets go sally, tell me where there are LIES in that post
ha
and buffy get rid of the stupid punisher icon
Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.

That's the zenith of stupidity in that mountain of drivel.[/b][/quote]
Buf, if you think you are smarter than Dowd, hahahahahaha

[Meni]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@May 20 2004, 12:07 AM
Meni,

You can kiss my hairy redneck ass right on the pucker with your pompus dreamworld drippin lips... I've grown weary of your pathetic posturing, thinking in your deluded head that anyone here is impressed you are 'rated hot', can lift a few freeweights and have had your penis in a pornstars snatch... Was it a matter of getting beat up too much as a kid or just not beaten on enough?

I've no love for Buff's opinions on several topics but for you and your I'm so special cause I've got my wittle strong sholder in my avatar to up and suggest he change his 'tough guy' icon is fucking bullshit... opranos a forum, gfy is the playground... toddle off and go steal some lunchmoney ya fruitcake.
Mark, who are you?

[Meni]

Will anyone distribute Moore's new movie?
I heard it rocks

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Meni@May 20 2004, 02:30 PM
Mark, who are you?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Meni]

Is that a stupid question?
Sorry I don't know the guy
should I?
does he make me money?
does he support me?
does he go drinking with me?
do we cyber?
does he babysit for me?
I don't know the guy

is he a redneck?