bullshit in business

[Winetalk.com]

Talking to Joesho, interesting thought came into my mind:
the role of BULLSHIT in this business.

I wonder, would this business survived without bullshit? I see huge piles of it behind every success story on the adult net
(some non adult too!)

Bullshit became such an integral part of internet business life,
we practically don't even notice we swim in the bullshit ocean.

...and if you wanna tell me, you, your proggy, your product uses bullshit which doesn't smell, or doesn't use it at all-
allow me to retort with:
B U L L S H I T ! ! !

[Vick]

Takes some fertilizer to grow roses B)

[JoesHO]

This Post has some serious shit in it, everybody should pay attention.

[Mike AI]

This industry was built on bullshit and scamming.

Being able to survive will come down to sifting through bullshit, recognizing what is bullshit and what is reality, and then acting upon it.

[sarettah]

All business is built on bullshit. period.

[JoesHO]

Yeah, I agree learning how to wade through bullshit, can be very distracting too many at times .

and frustrating to say the least for many others.

People that understand, that there must be the necassary bullshit, and can seperate the necassary from the non necassary, sure seem to make it a lot farther in life, no matter what businees they are in

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sarettah@May 1 2004, 01:05 PM
All business is built on bullshit. period.
hahahahahahahaha,
stock brokerage is one of them, that's for sure
;-))))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 1 2004, 01:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 1 2004, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@May 1 2004, 01:05 PM
All business is built on bullshit. period.
hahahahahahahaha,
stock brokerage is one of them, that's for sure
;-))))[/b][/quote]
They are among the best :yowsa:

[Dravyk]

No wonder this biz goes well with Poker.

Was, not for the first time, watching the World Poker Tour the other night. When it got down to the last four in the four million dollar final, the announcer kept saying "These guys don't even need cards." It was just all down to pure gambit, postering, bluffs, counter-bluffs, and who could best bullshit and rattle the other guy.

Yep, just like here in adult land!. B)




Last edited by Dravyk at May 2 2004, 07:11 AM

[masterp74]

Originally posted by sarettah@May 1 2004, 10:05 AM
All business is built on bullshit. period.
bullshit


:matey:

[LadyMischief]

This business would still be in the dark ages without bullshit. Myself, I keep it all aboveboard, but I can't totally condemn those who've bullshitted their way to the top and then managed to stay there. A lot of bullshitters are also innovators.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 03:07 PM
Myself, I keep it all aboveboard,
LM, c'mon, you never ever cut the corners? I was waiting for the line like that to take the lips apart
;-)))

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 1 2004, 12:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 1 2004, 12:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 03:07 PM
Myself, I keep it all aboveboard,
LM, c'mon, you never ever cut the corners? I was waiting for the line like that to take the lips apart
;-)))[/b][/quote]
I've never cut corners that would take from another honest person :)

[APTour]

Originally posted by Dravyk@May 1 2004, 03:54 PM
No wonder this biz goes well with Poker.
:agrin:

[cj]

Originally posted by LadyMischief+May 1 2004, 06:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyMischief @ May 1 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 1 2004, 12:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 03:07 PM
Myself, I keep it all aboveboard,
LM, c'mon, you never ever cut the corners? I was waiting for the line like that to take the lips apart
;-)))
I've never cut corners that would take from another honest person :)[/b][/quote]
and there's some bullshit right there!

LadyMischief, I don't mean you are bullshitting so don't take this as an insult - but your statement equals bullshit ... its cryptic, worded to say that you wouldn't bullshit someone unless they bullshitted you first. Your response to the subject of bullshit is bullshit - even though you have the best of intentions in business, you don't always keep it 'above board' because 'above board' is relative depending on who is holding the board ...

For example - you are in the porn industry - that's not exactly 'above board' to most of this planet ... the terrorists who flew the plane into WTC thought what they were doing was 'above board' because Americans are evil ....

And besides, the question wasn't 'how much do you bullshit' or
'when is it ok to bullshit' - but that's what you answered :awinky:

Humans need food & shelter ... EVERYTHING else is bullshit - but life would be pretty dull without it ;-)

[nlphoto]

Originally posted by cj+May 1 2004, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ May 1 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 1 2004, 12:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 03:07 PM
Myself, I keep it all aboveboard,
LM, c'mon, you never ever cut the corners? I was waiting for the line like that to take the lips apart
;-)))
I've never cut corners that would take from another honest person :)
and there's some bullshit right there!



Humans need food & shelter ... EVERYTHING else is bullshit - but life would be pretty dull without it ;-)[/b][/quote]
Food, Shelter and SEX... (Thank god... :P )

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by sarettah+May 1 2004, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ May 1 2004, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 1 2004, 01:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@May 1 2004, 01:05 PM
All business is built on bullshit. period.
hahahahahahahaha,
stock brokerage is one of them, that's for sure
;-))))
They are among the best :yowsa:[/b][/quote]
Do not forget , about Lawyers, or Real Estate brokers... or them damn Politicians!!! They rank in the top percentile that is for certain!

[XXXPhoto]

Bullshit- The most plentiful product produced by a life spent primarily eating, sleeping, fighting and fucking...

:purpdance: :gbounce: :purpdance: :gbounce: :purpdance:

[jimmyf]

I had a main stream business for over 20 years, the internet and main stream bullshit wise running about neck and neck, internet ahead by a nose. :blink:

[RawAlex]

I actually think the bullshit factor is getting lower in this business now, as more and more of the cards are played and less and less cards remain to be seen.

If something comes along to really reshuffle the deck, you will see the bullshit factor go much higher again on that new situation.

Alex

[Vick]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 03:07 PM
This business would still be in the dark ages without bullshit. Myself, I keep it all aboveboard, but I can't totally condemn those who've bullshitted their way to the top and then managed to stay there. A lot of bullshitters are also innovators.
LadyMischief - Sorry I don't know you personally and you seem like a nice sort

But here we go for the BS factor, found in 6 seconds or less

I see you promote Legendary Lars in your sig, can you say that progam has no BS?

I see it on this page http://webmasters.legendarylars.com/fronte...nd/programs.jsp (http://webmasters.legendarylars.com/frontend/programs.jsp) , you can call it good marketing but boil it down it's still BS

Nothing actually harmful but still candywrapping BS

[sarettah]

I repeat ALL BUSINESS (and I mean ALL BUSINESS) is based on bullshit.

All business relies on sales.

Sales is always based on BULLSHIT.

therefore ALL BUSINESS IS BASED ON BULLSHIT.

:blink:

[slavdogg]

every industry and biz is built on some sort of bullshit

getting fucked is also part of biz,

something i learned at age 10 from my dad

:stout:

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 2 2004, 09:33 AM
I actually think the bullshit factor is getting lower in this business now, as more and more of the cards are played and less and less cards remain to be seen.
my bullshit detector just went off :D

[KC]

Originally posted by slavdogg@May 2 2004, 05:32 PM
getting fucked is also part of biz,

something i learned at age 10 from my dad

That just didn't come out right, Slav. ;)


Where's George Carlin to teach us about BULLSHIT? He belongs in this thread.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by KC+May 2 2004, 05:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KC @ May 2 2004, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--slavdogg@May 2 2004, 05:32 PM
getting fucked is also part of biz,

something i learned at age 10 from my dad

That just didn't come out right, Slav. ;)


Where's George Carlin to teach us about BULLSHIT? He belongs in this thread.[/b][/quote]
Bullshit is what your competitor Porngraph pulled last week.

Least I know that our surfers arent being made into someones bitch by logging on to sites that I use Paycounter for...

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by KC@May 2 2004, 05:49 PM
That just didn't come out right, Slav. ;)
ahh now thats what i call selective bullshit reading :)


i'm jetlagged, thats my excuse

[KC]

Originally posted by gonzo+May 2 2004, 05:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ May 2 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -KC@May 2 2004, 05:49 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--slavdogg@May 2 2004, 05:32 PM
getting fucked is also part of biz,

something i learned at age 10 from my dad

That just didn't come out right, Slav. ;)


Where's George Carlin to teach us about BULLSHIT? He belongs in this thread.
Bullshit is what your competitor Porngraph pulled last week.

Least I know that our surfers arent being made into someones bitch by logging on to sites that I use Paycounter for...[/b][/quote]
Thanks Gonzo,

We've been around for too long to fuck it up in a single week.

[Julene]

OH, I don't know about bull shit but I got a bunch of horse shit in the pasture. :nyanya:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by KC+May 2 2004, 05:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KC @ May 2 2004, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--slavdogg@May 2 2004, 05:32 PM
getting fucked is also part of biz,

something i learned at age 10 from my dad

That just didn't come out right, Slav. ;)[/b][/quote]
:zoinks:

[Jesse_DD]

I don't think business would survive without BS. Look at Microsoft when they first started - Gates and Allen (I think) selling their software as complete before they had anything. I think that every business sells BS.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by cj+May 1 2004, 08:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ May 1 2004, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 1 2004, 12:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 1 2004, 03:07 PM
Myself, I keep it all aboveboard,
LM, c'mon, you never ever cut the corners? I was waiting for the line like that to take the lips apart
;-)))
I've never cut corners that would take from another honest person :)
and there's some bullshit right there!

LadyMischief, I don't mean you are bullshitting so don't take this as an insult - but your statement equals bullshit ... its cryptic, worded to say that you wouldn't bullshit someone unless they bullshitted you first. Your response to the subject of bullshit is bullshit - even though you have the best of intentions in business, you don't always keep it 'above board' because 'above board' is relative depending on who is holding the board ...

For example - you are in the porn industry - that's not exactly 'above board' to most of this planet ... the terrorists who flew the plane into WTC thought what they were doing was 'above board' because Americans are evil ....

And besides, the question wasn't 'how much do you bullshit' or
'when is it ok to bullshit' - but that's what you answered :awinky:

Humans need food & shelter ... EVERYTHING else is bullshit - but life would be pretty dull without it ;-)[/b][/quote]
Exactly :) I believe the word is sophistry.



Last edited by LadyMischief at May 3 2004, 03:45 PM

[Brad Mitchell]

Poker face... self confidence... those are necessary in business, I think. I'd pretty much argue till I was blue in the face about never bulshitting anybody with my hosting company, former phone sex program, new billing company, paysites or anything else in my whole adult experience.

Perhaps that's why we've only got three vehicles at home instead of legions of exotic cars.... those are going to take a few more years! Never made an easy buck, unfortunately, but I do sleep well at night. Work hard, be persistent, smarter than the other guy or gal if you can be..

:yowsa:

Brad



Last edited by SinEmpire at May 3 2004, 10:55 PM

[Playful Melissa]

Okay okay - Bullshit Bullshit

Big Dick Sydrome, blah blah blah

Yeah this business has evolved it....

But - This business was really built on trust - trust that you are going to count my sales correctly, trust that whatever affiliate program is going to actually pay me.

Now - that trust has been tempered in the last few years significantly but there is still a lot of trust required.. Granted we all base on trust on bullshit but hey........ Its till trust.

[Sharpie]

There is a whole lot of difference between blowing your own horn, about accomplishments - and embellishing or making up lies. I have always considered the first to be bragging & the latter bullshit. Maybe everyone definition of BS is not the same.

It is just too bad that 75% or more, of what everyone does everyday; is to create a favorable perception of them or thier product or services. It is just biz..... and I guess necessary.

But, did you realize how much of everyday (even in your personal life) is spent trying to impress or please OTHER people, and not what YOU really want to say or do? It comes out often in what you wear, how you fix your hair, the car you drive, insincere compliments (because it is expected) and the list goes on......

It is a whole lot less stressful, when you finally can come to the conclusion that in your personal life - some of those things just 'don't matter.... It is more important that you like yourself & other people like you for 'who you really are.

[LittleC]

money making bullshit !!! Love it !!! :yowsa:

[masterp74]

Originally posted by KC+May 2 2004, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KC @ May 2 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@May 2 2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by -KC@May 2 2004, 05:49 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--slavdogg@May 2 2004, 05:32 PM
getting fucked is also part of biz,

something i learned at age 10 from my dad

That just didn't come out right, Slav. ;)


Where's George Carlin to teach us about BULLSHIT? He belongs in this thread.
Bullshit is what your competitor Porngraph pulled last week.

Least I know that our surfers arent being made into someones bitch by logging on to sites that I use Paycounter for...
Thanks Gonzo,

We've been around for too long to fuck it up in a single week.[/b][/quote]
Don't jinx yourself JayC ....http://www.uploadit.org/freepic1/16_5_2.gif










see sig big timer

[slavdogg]

"Behind every great fortune there is a crime. " - Honore de Balzac

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 2 2004, 02:50 AM
Bullshit became such an integral part of internet business life,
we practically don't even notice we swim in the bullshit ocean.
Serge is so right.

This board says no BS or spin posts, but that is pretty much 95% of what is here and any other board.

And so what?

These boards would be worthless without it.

:stout:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy+May 8 2004, 02:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CuriousToyBoy @ May 8 2004, 02:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@May 2 2004, 02:50 AM
Bullshit became such an integral part of internet business life,
we practically don't even notice we swim in the bullshit ocean.
Serge is so right.

This board says no BS or spin posts, but that is pretty much 95% of what is here and any other board.

And so what?

These boards would be worthless without it.

:stout:[/b][/quote]
glad you were able to read the entire board in the last 7 mins since your registered!

adding more bullshit on a pile of bullshit?
;-))))

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 8 2004, 05:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 8 2004, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -CuriousToyBoy@May 8 2004, 02:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@May 2 2004, 02:50 AM
Bullshit became such an integral part of internet business life,
we practically don't even notice we swim in the bullshit ocean.
Serge is so right.
This board says no BS or spin posts, but that is pretty much 95% of what is here and any other board.
And so what?
These boards would be worthless without it.
:stout:

glad you were able to read the entire board in the last 7 mins since your registered!
adding more bullshit on a pile of bullshit?
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Hey Serge,

Nice pickup my friend!

New nick for our new program - been around for a while.. maybe the ToyBoy part could be a giveaway.

Must admit that I have never been a big time poster on Oprano, more the jerk who lurks.

Looking to change that.....

5 years in the biz helps in recognising BS, but like you said, and what I posted back on, it is PART of the business.

Gives a nice insight into the characters you are dealing with also.

How's the art collection btw?


:nyanya:

[PeerPatrick]

only 50% of the things i say or post are bullshit, the trouble comes with figuring out which half is the shit laden.

[GoodChris]

I believe nothing that I hear and only 50% of what I see.

[Vick]

I believe very little of what I see, nothing of what I hear and nothing of what I read

Basically I'm a non-believer

[PBucksLauren]

knowing how to BS is a handy tool in life-

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PBucksLauren@May 10 2004, 02:26 PM
knowing how to BS is a handy tool in life-
in life??? nope,
in business, mostly YES
;-)))

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 11 2004, 05:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 11 2004, 05:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PBucksLauren@May 10 2004, 02:26 PM
knowing how to BS is a handy tool in life-
in life??? nope,
in business, mostly YES
;-)))[/b][/quote]
But Serge,

Would you not agree that FAR too many people blur the lines between business and personal ?

For some people there is no line.. it's just straight BS all the way.

In fact they are the people I like most - so MUCH easier just to write someone off when the internal bullshit recognition meter hits the red zone immediately.

I might bullshit around from time to time, but NOT about anything of note.

Business is business and personal is personal, but ask me a question to my face and you ALWAYS get a straight answer.



:okthumb:

[cj]

>Business is business and personal is personal

Lindsay, from page 32 of The Mafia Manager ...

Some would advise: Do not go into business with friends or their children. Some would advise: Do not lend friends money or borrow it from them. We urge the opposite, however, but with all due caution. Why should a little friendship stand in the way of business? And if you ever have to deal harshly with a friend, you'll know his hangouts and habits, the bettter to facilitate any action against him you may want to take. Nothing personal, just business.

:groucho:

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by cj@May 11 2004, 09:23 AM
>Business is business and personal is personal
Lindsay, from page 32 of The Mafia Manager ...
Some would advise: Do not go into business with friends or their children. Some would advise: Do not lend friends money or borrow it from them. We urge the opposite, however, but with all due caution. Why should a little friendship stand in the way of business? And if you ever have to deal harshly with a friend, you'll know his hangouts and habits, the bettter to facilitate any action against him you may want to take. Nothing personal, just business.

:groucho:
Dayum you have a bug up your ass about me girl :rolleyes:

So let me get this straight, first a nobody, then a thief, then a homophobe, now some mafia figure.

OK, so that makes me a unknown homophobic kleptomaniac sociopath who eats lots of pasta :zoinks: :yowsa: :blink:

Oh damn, I gotta go and lie down, this laughing is killing me.

:lol:

btw.. NEVER go against the family.

:lol: :lol:



Last edited by CuriousToyBoy at May 11 2004, 09:47 AM

[Winetalk.com]

take MY family, please, what a bunch of whining morons!
;_)))

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 11 2004, 09:54 AM
take MY family, please, what a bunch of whining morons!
;_)))
Serge,

Can do ! :okthumb:

Do you want them stolen or rubbed out?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy+May 10 2004, 07:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CuriousToyBoy @ May 10 2004, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@May 11 2004, 09:54 AM
take MY family, please, what a bunch of whining morons!
;_)))
Serge,

Can do ! :okthumb:

Do you want them stolen or rubbed out?

:lol: :lol: :lol:[/b][/quote]
NOBODY hurts you more than the family, they KNOW how to push your buttons better thsan anybody...
leave tehm alone, I did
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

...but there is a good part,
I am separated from them by 1200 miles
;-)

god bless time space continuum
;-))))

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 11 2004, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 11 2004, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -CuriousToyBoy@May 10 2004, 07:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@May 11 2004, 09:54 AM
take MY family, please, what a bunch of whining morons!
;_)))
Serge,
Can do ! :okthumb:

Do you want them stolen or rubbed out?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

NOBODY hurts you more than the family, they KNOW how to push your buttons better thsan anybody...
leave tehm alone, I did
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Ain't that the truth.

I reckon your family INSTALLS most of the buttons, so they are VERY well equipped to know EXACTLY which buttons to press, when to press them and in what order works best :hic:

Your distance factor brought an old song to mind...

I'm gonna walk 1200 miles, and I'm gonna walk 1200 more, just the be the man who gets as far away from your fucking door as possible

I sure hope the Proclaimers will forgive the liberties taken there with their lyrics. :lol:

[cj]

Lindsay ya fucktard

that had nothing to do with you it was to do with the 'business is business' line.

I've been reading paragraphs from The Mafia Manager handbook on oprano radio

quit your whinging, i've been nice to you so far :P

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by cj@May 11 2004, 11:36 AM
Lindsay ya fucktard
that had nothing to do with you it was to do with the 'business is business' line.
I've been reading paragraphs from The Mafia Manager handbook on oprano radio
quit your whinging, i've been nice to you so far :P
Oooopppsss.

Guess I deserved that :headwall:

I had better get my paranoia in check....

hits speed dial setting #1... Mulder, is that you?

:unsure:

[Feynman]

Mmmm.... Bullshit...

Fact of life. As ubiquitous as air.

As Morpheus once said to Neo

Bullshit is everywhere. It is the wool that they pulled over your eyes to prevent you to realise that you're a sucker...

So I got into the industry because I'd rather put out my own than having to suffer that of someone else...

At least, I can control how much I put out, and make sure I stay in good terms with myself.

[Winetalk.com]

Feynman, your avatar is one of my favorite paintings
;-)))