Well, Noone can call Kerry a pussy......

[sarettah]

28 FEB 1969 Bay Hap River

Three PCFs were traveling up the Bay Hap River with 70 South Vietnamese Militia investigating an area where the boats were ambushed the previous night. During the patrol, the boats came under heavy fore from the shore. Kerry, serving as the Officer in Tactical Command of the mission, ordered the units to turn toward the fire and beach. As the boats approached shore, more than 20 Viet Cong troops stood up and ran. They were quickly overrun when the Marines troops reached the shore. While the Militia searched the area, PCFs 23 and 94 left to investigate another site where an Army advisor reported gunshots. Returning from the site, a B-40 rocket exploded close to PCF94, blowing out one of the windows. Kerry again ordered the units to turn into the fire and charge the ambush site. PCF 94 landed in the center of ambush and a man jumped up holding a B-40 rocket launcher and started to run. The forward M-60 gunner on PCF94 wounded him in the leg as Kerry jumped off the boat and chased him inland behind a hooch and shot him. Marines swept the area, and received fire from snipers and small arms that was suppressed with the assistance of mortars and gunfire from the swiftboats. The landing parties found vast stores of rice, ammunition and clothing. The boats were fired on one additional time as they were heading back down the river. The site of the second ambush was believed be a major Viet Cong supply point. Kerry received the Silver Star for this operation.


13 MAR 1969 Bay Hap River; Dong Cung Canal

Four swiftboats were engaged in moving Mobile Strike Force troops on the Bay Hap River and the Dong Cung Canal. Moving down the river in the afternoon following a day of heavy fighting, a mine detonated underneath PCF 3, lifting it 2-3 feet out of the water and, at the same time, a second mine detonated near PCF94, wounding Kerry ad knocking an Army advisor on PCF94 into the water. Meanwhile the boats began receiving heavy fire from both sides of the river. Kerry, who had received shrapnel wounds and hurt his right arm, directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire while he pulled the Army advisor back into his boat. PCF 94 then returned to aid PCF 3 and towed the boat down the river to safety. Kerry received the Bronze Star for this action.

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/combat_reports.html

[sarettah]

And fuck, you talk about releasing records. When Bush released his records to try to prove that he showed up for duty, he released a dental record and a couple of pay stubs. Kerry released everything from his enlistment contract to his discharge.....

Picking on Kerry's military record will be a loser, I can't believe that noone in the White House has told the folks questioning the purple hearts to shut the fuck up, it will just make Bush look worse in the end.

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

Military Service Awards [pdf: 1.3MB]
This file contains documents on the awarding of John Kerry's military service awards: 3 Purple Hearts, 1 Bronze Star, and 1 Silver Star.

Acceptance of Discharge Naval Reserve [pdf: 101kb]

Background Information [pdf: 354kb]

Bronze Star [pdf: 301kb]

Bupers Orders To Gridley [pdf: 109kb]

Change of Duty [pdf: 507kb]

DD214 [pdf: 361kb]

DD215 (correction to DD214) [pdf: 113kb]

Duty Recommendation [pdf: 163kb]

Emergency Data [pdf: 1.22MB]

Enlistment Contract [pdf: 217kb]

Enlistment Photo [pdf: 223kb]

Fitness Reports [pdf: 4.68MB]

Honorable Discharge From Reserve [pdf: 111kb]

Leave Record [pdf: 319kb]

National Defense Service Medal [pdf: 97.6kb]

Naval Messages [pdf: 470kb]

Naval OCS Report [pdf: 108kb]

Nuclear Weapons Training Certificate [pdf: 340kb]

Office Order Memos [pdf: 594kb]

Officer Candidate Agreement [pdf: 263kb]

Order to Officer Candidate [pdf: 149kb]

Pay Entry Base Date [pdf: 113kb]

Personnel Casualty Report [pdf: 577kb]

Presidential Unit Citation [pdf: 141kb]

Purple Heart #1 Citation [pdf: 98.3kb]

Purple Heart #2 Citation [pdf: 98.3kb]

Purple Heart #3 Citation [pdf: 103kb]

Qualifications Questionnaire [pdf: 350kb]

Recommendations For Next [pdf: 238kb]

Record of Discharge [pdf: 165kb]

Release From Active Duty [pdf: 537kb]

Report of Home of Record [pdf: 252kb]

Request For History of Service [pdf: 136kb]

Request For Swiftboat Duty [pdf: 122kb]

Research Sheet F4-15 [pdf: 187kb]

Reserve Office Appointment [pdf: 268kb]

Security Clearances [pdf: 1.10MB]

Service_Record [pdf: 98.9kb]

Servicemans Life Insurance [pdf: 183kb]

Silver Star [pdf: 311kb]

Statement of Service 1967 [pdf: 144kb]

Temporary Orders and Ranks [pdf: 1.73MB]

Thrice Wounded Reassignment [pdf: 112kb]

Top Secret Clearance [pdf: 483kb]

Training School Record [pdf: 138kb]

Transfer To Standby Reserve [pdf: 230kb]

Travel Payment Order [pdf: 86.3kb]

Vietnam Service Medal [pdf: 174kb]

[sarettah]

Anyone know if the records the Bush campaign released back in February ever actually made an appearance on line ?

I have searched and scoured and found all sorts of commentary on the records and all sorts of new stories, but not the actual records...hmmm

[PornoDoggy]

You do realize, of course, that THEY have now opend a file on you in Washington, complete with 8x10 color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one to explain what each one is to be used as evidence against you.

Commie Pinko ... you even live on the left side of Missouri. Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO .....

[Buff]

I am unconvinced Kerry's wounds were deserving of Purple Hearts. That being said, he's hardly the only person with questionable medals. JFK should have been court martialed, not awarded medals for his PT boat disaster. In Grenada, more medals were awarded than there were soldiers who participated.

That being said, I would not call Kerry a pussy. He may well have deserved all his medals. I do not approve of his conduct after his return to the states, but in no way do I think he acted dishonorably in combat. He fought, he chased down the enemy, and he killed the enemy. That's more than we can say for Bush or most people in government.



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[pushpills]

that was 30 some years ago, whos to say he's not a pussy now?

[Vick]

You are what you eat


:P

[Trev]

Kerry's a pussy!!!




















what happens now? do I get taken out by the secret service or something? :D

[PattyeCake*]

Doesn't Kerry remind you of Herman Munster?

[TheEnforcer]

Oh man.. you should see the shit that people say about Kerry in some of the politics forums I like to post at. It's insane the hatred they show for the man. They try and discount everything he's ever done in regards to the military.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Buff@Apr 22 2004, 01:03 AM
I am unconvinced Kerry's wounds were deserving of Purple Hearts.
But the Navy decides who to award medals and ribbons to, not the individual receiving them.

And pretty much the only way to avoid getting the medal is to leave the wound untreated so that it doesn't show up in the medical records. Anyone who was in SE Asia would tell you, you don't leave even the tiniest scrape untreated because jungles are rampant with little nasty bacterias and shit. Leaving a scrape untreated in that environment could very easily lead to losing a limb or some such.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Trev@Apr 22 2004, 08:55 AM
Kerry's a pussy!!!

Didnh't you hear what I said dammit... I said that Noone can call him a pussy, I said it, therefore it is so......

:yowsa:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 22 2004, 02:16 AM
that was 30 some years ago, whos to say he's not a pussy now?
When you get fired upon in the ghetto and turn your Camaro towards the bullets and go take out the gangbangers shooting at your ass, let me know... :okthumb:

[Trev]

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 22 2004, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 22 2004, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Apr 22 2004, 08:55 AM
Kerry's a pussy!!!

Didnh't you hear what I said dammit... I said that Noone can call him a pussy, I said it, therefore it is so......

:yowsa:[/b][/quote]
You're sounding like Captain Pickard now... You'll be telling me to "make it so" next :D

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Trev+Apr 22 2004, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Apr 22 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -sarettah@Apr 22 2004, 05:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Apr 22 2004, 08:55 AM
Kerry's a pussy!!!

Didnh't you hear what I said dammit... I said that Noone can call him a pussy, I said it, therefore it is so......

:yowsa:
You're sounding like Captain Pickard now... You'll be telling me to "make it so" next :D[/b][/quote]
Well Number 2.................... :okthumb:

[dantheman]

the only problem I have (I think it's a big one) is the way kerry acted after he got back to the states. He pretty much turned on his comrades in arms. DO we really want a leader that does that. I'm not a real political(sp) type person, BUT I do know we're in a major war all across the globe and I dont know if Kerry can lead us:/

that's my first and last post on this issue.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by dantheman@Apr 22 2004, 11:26 AM
the only problem I have (I think it's a big one) is the way kerry acted after he got back to the states. He pretty much turned on his comrades in arms. DO we really want a leader that does that. I'm not a real political(sp) type person, BUT I do know we're in a major war all across the globe and I dont know if Kerry can lead us:/

that's my first and last post on this issue.
I think I would have more confidence in a person who said "I don't like it, but I'm here and I'll kick some ass as I need to and bitch about it later" Then I would in someone who says "Yeah, let's go kick some ass, if you need me, I'll be somewhere in Alabama hiding out"

[dantheman]

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 22 2004, 11:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 22 2004, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--dantheman@Apr 22 2004, 11:26 AM
the only problem I have (I think it's a big one) is the way kerry acted after he got back to the states. He pretty much turned on his comrades in arms. DO we really want a leader that does that. I'm not a real political(sp) type person, BUT I do know we're in a major war all across the globe and I dont know if Kerry can lead us:/

that's my first and last post on this issue.
I think I would have more confidence in a person who said "I don't like it, but I'm here and I'll kick some ass as I need to and bitch about it later" Then I would in someone who says "Yeah, let's go kick some ass, if you need me, I'll be somewhere in Alabama hiding out"[/b][/quote]
if he turned on the soldiers then what keep him from turning on them again as chief?


ok, now I have posted twice on this issue:)

[dig420]

Originally posted by dantheman@Apr 22 2004, 11:26 AM
the only problem I have (I think it's a big one) is the way kerry acted after he got back to the states. He pretty much turned on his comrades in arms. DO we really want a leader that does that. I'm not a real political(sp) type person, BUT I do know we're in a major war all across the globe and I dont know if Kerry can lead us:/

that's my first and last post on this issue.
yes do we REALLY want a President who speaks out after learning firsthand that we're fighting an unwinnable, corrupt war? It's the USA right or wrong, isn't it? I prefer my leaders to shut the fuck up and toe the party line. No matter what they think they know.

Obviously he turned on our soldiers and wanted all his comrades-in-arms to die in Vietnam as soon as he got back to the states. We caught him in the same area code as Jane Fonda more than once.

HE HATES OUR SOLDIERS!!!!! HE HATES AMERICA!!! HE HATES GOD!!!



Last edited by dig420 at Apr 22 2004, 12:15 PM

[PornoDoggy]

Nobody - I mean NOBODY - who served on riverboats in Vietnam is a pussy, then or now. Quite often a replacement on a crew saw more combat in their first week than he would have experienced in the hottest zone during all of Gulf War I.

Dan ... suffice it to say that I don't agree with you that he "turned on his comrades in arms." I've said it before and I'll say it again - Kerry, Bush, Gore, and Clinton and their individual relationships to the war in Vietnam are all very typical of their generation. It's really hard to understand even if you lived through it.

The tragedy of it all is that so much attention has been focused on who's lying about what that not nearly enough attention has been paid to the real problem - how the Chain of Command in Vietnam, particularly that of the Army, completely and totally lost control. It wasn't the draftees that caused the problems - it was the "Best and The Brightest" who were supposed to be running the show.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Apr 22 2004, 12:26 PM

[sarettah]

Originally posted by dantheman@Apr 22 2004, 12:04 PM
if he turned on the soldiers then what keep him from turning on them again as chief?


He didn't turn on his comrades in any way that I saw or have seen.

He spoke his mind about why he thought the war was wrong after he went and experienced it first hand.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 22 2004, 02:16 AM
that was 30 some years ago, whos to say he's not a pussy now?
Grogan, you need to find a liberal do-gooder to set up a website soliciting PayPal contributions to buy you a clue.

Gee. He's running for President of the United States.

People are going to be looking at every aspect of his life. People are going to be looking at every aspect of the lives of every member of his family. People are going to be looking at every aspect of the sex life of his fucking dog.

People are going to be calling him nasty names. People are going to be calling every member of his family nasty names. People are going to be calling his dog nasty names, and if he doesn't have a dog, people are going to be saying nasty things about HIM because of it.

These are not the sort of things a pussy would willingly undergo. It's not like he can run a vanity popularity poll someplace to reassure himself that he's cool after going through that.

[dantheman]

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 22 2004, 12:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 22 2004, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--dantheman@Apr 22 2004, 12:04 PM
if he turned on the soldiers then what keep him from turning on them again as chief?


He didn't turn on his comrades in any way that I saw or have seen.

He spoke his mind about why he thought the war was wrong after he went and experienced it first hand.[/b][/quote]
IF you can find it and dont have a problem paying about a grand check out his book "new soldier" looks like kerry and company dont wont this book in to many hands :yowsa:


again, I'm not bashing kerry, I'm trying to decide which would be a better commander and chief of the 2 I know what bush has done, and I know what needs to be done. I just dont know if Kerry has the balls to follow though with the war we're in and we're going to be in for many years to come.

That my friends IS my last post on this.....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by dantheman@Apr 22 2004, 01:52 PM
That my friends IS my last post on this.....
Wanna bet ?

:yowsa:

[Torone]

Originally posted by PattyeCake*@Apr 22 2004, 08:03 AM
Doesn't Kerry remind you of Herman Munster?
Actually, if you put a beard and a turban on him, he and OBL could have been separated at birth... :salute:

[pushpills]

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 22 2004, 09:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 22 2004, 09:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 22 2004, 02:16 AM
that was 30 some years ago, whos to say he's not a pussy now?
When you get fired upon in the ghetto and turn your Camaro towards the bullets and go take out the gangbangers shooting at your ass, let me know... :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
I could do this and 30 years later be a pussy.

didn't kerry renounce his vietman contributions and join the ranks of the medal throwing we-shouldnt-of-gone-to-war peacefull vets?