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Mike AI
04-19-2004, 10:00 PM
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,20...2091498,00.html (http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2091498,00.html)

Adult film scare could alter rules
New anti-HIV measures considered


By Beth Barrett and Gregory J. Wilcox
Staff Writers



The HIV outbreak in the San Fernando Valley-based adult film industry last week raised concerns about risky sex practices to an unprecedented level among performers, producers and health experts with some advocating the need for government regulation.

Dozens of production companies in the multibillion-dollar adult film industry shut down after actor Darren James tested positive for HIV on Monday. Actress Lara Roxx, 22 -- one of the 14 women he worked with after March 17 when he tested negative -- subsequently tested positive as well and about 55 people have been quarantined because of potential exposure.

Sharon Mitchell, a founder and executive director of The Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation in Sherman Oaks, said the industry's spectacular profits aided by the Internet and cable television's reach into mainstream America have led to increasingly risky sexual practices, without using condoms. The industry's annual revenues are estimated to be in the $9 billion to $13 billion range.

"It's the Wild West cowboy. It's the last frontier to escape regulation," Mitchell said. "It's chic to be a porn star."

Mitchell, herself a former adult film star who helped bring regular testing for HIV, AIDS and venereal diseases into the industry after an outbreak six years ago, said safer sex practices are necessary but government regulation might drive the industry underground, where it would be harder to get voluntary compliance.

Dr. Peter Kerndt, director of the sexually transmitted disease program for the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services, said regulations won't drive "the big boys" underground.

"You don't live in fear of what could be driven underground."

Kerndt said officials take the outbreak seriously and see unsafe practices in the adult film industry as posing health dangers to the general population.

"We're concerned about this, because it has the potential, unchecked, to spread rapidly to their partners apart from their industry partners," he said.

Kerndt said a state-county task force has drafted a plan that would make condom use mandatory by forcing production companies to comply with a California Occupational Safety and Health Administration injury and illness prevention plan or face closure.

"We want to bring this industry into the mainstream by putting it under the regulations that currently exist for Cal-OSHA. This would be a model for the rest of the country."

There are about 200 adult film producers -- most of them in the Valley -- and about 75 percent of them have stopped making films, including industry giant Vivid Entertainment LLC in Van Nuys.

No one knows how long the stoppage will last or what its financial impact will be.

"As of now we have stopped making movies, for at least a week, perhaps two, as AIM puts together the list of people who have been affected by the HIV scare," company co-chief executive officer Steven Hirsch said Friday.

"We feel that with condoms and mandatory testing people will be safe on our set."

Performers, in order to work in the adult industry, have to be tested every three weeks -- but often have multiple partners onstage in the weeks between. James, for example, filmed scenes with five women on March 8, AIM's records show.

There is wide agreement that condoms are the best answer to preventing HIV, but condoms also drive down profits because they limit the kind of sex practices that consumers will pay to see.

With fear running high in the industry, many performers were streaming into the AIM clinic on Ventura Boulevard. The clinic has performed about 500 tests since James' positive reading Monday. AIM normally sees about 1,200 adult film workers a month.

Dino Bravo, 34, of Studio City said one of his shoots was canceled Thursday because it involved one of the quarantined women. But two others are set for next week.

"There's risk in everything," said Bravo. "I put my clothes on in the morning, and could get hit by a truck. I got bills to pay."

Ayako, 36, of Sherman Oaks said that after just three months in the industry, her main concern is safety.

Because her specialty is fetishes and other acts for private collections, she said she focuses on working with people she trusts. "There's a lot more (work) these days. It's everywhere. People want something different."

Mitchell spends much of her time counseling young men and women on the pitfalls of the industry and shows them safe sex videos warning that HIV is an occupational hazard.

"This is an addiction about money, sex and fame," she said. "People get into it for the money, and have a plan of action, like in five years they'll get out and run their own company or Web page or sell real estate.

"They think it's the back door to Hollywood ... they get stuck here on this side of the hill."

Carrie
04-20-2004, 03:31 AM
The numbers keep fluctuating.
9, 15, 55 people are being tested for HIV, and suddenly the gov't wants to get involved.

There are plenty of things causing thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of deaths and the gov't isn't stepping in... but oh no, let a couple of people who fuck on film for money get a VD and we've gotta do something about it. :rolleyes: :headwall:

*KK*
04-20-2004, 01:37 PM
Smartest thing they could do would be make everyone retest -- if I were a performer I wouldn't think about filming, condom or not, unless the other people I was coming into contact with had fresh results they could show.

Winetalk.com
04-20-2004, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Apr 20 2004, 12:45 PM
if I were a performer I wouldn't think about filming, condom or not, unless the other people I was coming into contact with had fresh results they could show.
if I were a performer and you were performer
I'd do you with or without the test
;-)))

thanks god we are not the performers ....
;-)))

amacontent
04-21-2004, 09:59 AM
Well I will continue performing without a condom. I will wait a bit to see everyone retest in allotted time in LA , which is why im in Miami and Tampa shooting now.
But like I said on another board... if a plane crashes, and people die, will you not ever fly again. Some people wont but most will. You may be nervous getting on a plane knowing the potential risks, but you STILL get on.

Mike AI
04-21-2004, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 09:07 AM
Well I will continue performing without a condom. I will wait a bit to see everyone retest in allotted time in LA , which is why im in Miami and Tampa shooting now.
But like I said on another board... if a plane crashes, and people die, will you not ever fly again. Some people wont but most will. You may be nervous getting on a plane knowing the potential risks, but you STILL get on.


This is pretty ignorant thing to say Joe!!

:wacko:

gonzo
04-21-2004, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by *KK*@Apr 20 2004, 12:45 PM
Smartest thing they could do would be make everyone retest -- if I were a performer I wouldn't think about filming, condom or not, unless the other people I was coming into contact with had fresh results they could show.
I reiterate...ever seen a fat guy with AIDS?

Fat fucking Nobodys....our time has cum!

Vick
04-21-2004, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 09:07 AM
Well I will continue performing without a condom.
So you're putting performing ahead of the well being, health (and life) of others and yourself

Well that makes a statement ...

RawAlex
04-21-2004, 10:23 AM
Story made the local radio news today... in Montreal.

Can you imagine workplace rules for porn? Always wear condoms, no facial shots, no unprotected blowjobs...

The porn industry will be out of California so fast...

Alex

Peaches
04-21-2004, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 10:07 AM
Well I will continue performing without a condom. I will wait a bit to see everyone retest in allotted time in LA , which is why im in Miami and Tampa shooting now.
But like I said on another board... if a plane crashes, and people die, will you not ever fly again. Some people wont but most will. You may be nervous getting on a plane knowing the potential risks, but you STILL get on.
The chances of being killed in a plane crash are a low lower than getting HIV from an infected sex partner. That's an ignorant comparison, IMHO.

RawAlex
04-21-2004, 10:49 AM
Government regulation: the result of repeated ignorant actions. (see amacontent)

Alex

amacontent
04-21-2004, 11:05 AM
OH Give me a fucking break, there was HIV incident in 1999. Why didnt all non condom shoots stop then. Im careful , I test everytuime I go to LA. And I make everyone show me tests. Geez, gimme a break with all your guys hippocriticsal shit as most your guys sites out there are non condom, BUFF excluded.
If this hadnt happened, would you be saying the condom only thing.. Well I know you would have Mike as youve said it in the past.. but all you others wwould not have. Im gonna continue to work non condom , but just be bit more careful... I wonder how many of you guys have had unprotected sex before with girl u just mmet but wont admit it.

amacontent
04-21-2004, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 21 2004, 06:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 21 2004, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 10:07 AM
Well I will continue performing without a condom. I will wait a bit to see everyone retest in allotted time in LA , which is why im in Miami and Tampa shooting now.
But like I said on another board... if a plane crashes, and people die, will you not ever fly again. Some people wont but most will. You may be nervous getting on a plane knowing the potential risks, but you STILL get on.
The chances of being killed in a plane crash are a low lower than getting HIV from an infected sex partner. That's an ignorant comparison, IMHO.[/b][/quote]
In this industry , 10 people have been infected with HIV in last 25 years or so I believe, how many people died in plane crashes in that same period, Im sorry but I think its valid comparison.
Now I dont go to Brazil and fuck some whore without a condom, thats crazy, but in LA... well I dont do anal, well only twice...and I generally dont work with new girls, so if you say its crazy well then Im sorry.. thats how I feel

Vick
04-21-2004, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 10:13 AM
I wonder how many of you guys have had unprotected sex before with girl u just mmet but wont admit it.
I did .....

.... in the 80's


You're saying the no condom thing it is a badge to wear on your sleeve, it's almost like you're parading ignorance

That may be why you're getting a little grief here

Vick
04-21-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 10:19 AM
In this industry , 10 people have been infected with HIV in last 25 years or so I believe, how many people died in plane crashes in that same period, Im sorry but I think its valid comparison.

If you take into account the number of people who fly as opposed to the number of people who work in the adult film industry


and yes the talent in the adult film industry has a lower rate of AIDS than the general populace

But you're still got an attitude about working no condom

Basically no one gives a damn on a personal level, we're just responding to your statements here

amacontent
04-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Vick , I understand where you are coming from, my point is why are people saying all this condom only stuff now.. there was incident in 1999. You know as well as I do that considering all the work that goes on, this industry is pretty safe.. I mean there are THOUSANDS of non condom scenes shot every month.

I mean , i wont stick my dick in anyone.. ive met some girls Ive refused to work with , even with test... and Laura Rxxx was one of them as I saw her pics.

You know as well as I do non condom shoots will never cease. Im just not giving a line of bullshit like everyone else saying I wont do non condom shoots anymore. 1st of all most my scenes are POV BJ anyway.

Peaches
04-21-2004, 11:28 AM
Logic tells me if a female is willing to have unprotected sex with you then she's having it with others. In all honesty, if you want to set yourself up and roll the dice like that, that's between you and your partners, not us. And no, unless I was in a long term (3 or more months - tested) relationship, I have not had unprotected sex since the 80's.

amacontent
04-21-2004, 11:45 AM
You consider 3 months LONG TERM.

So what if 3 months pass, then you will start doing non condom.. guess you better hope he dont cheat on you. But I guess after 3 months, thats long enough to know your man inside and out with total guarentee of loyalty

gonzo
04-21-2004, 11:55 AM
:popcorn:

Peaches
04-21-2004, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 11:53 AM
You consider 3 months LONG TERM.

So what if 3 months pass, then you will start doing non condom.. guess you better hope he dont cheat on you. But I guess after 3 months, thats long enough to know your man inside and out with total guarentee of loyalty
LOL, where I did I say I KNEW them 3 months :lol: :lol: :lol: The last 5 guys I've slept with I've known a minimum of 2+ years before I even went out with them - I'm a bit picky :awinky:

And yes, based on medical information I've read, if someone tests negative then 90 days test negative again, I've not seen ANY proof they can have HIV. :unsure: Maybe you MISSED where I said "tested"? And HE better hope "he don't cheat on" me. :okthumb:

Peaches
04-21-2004, 12:23 PM
In case any relative of mine ever reads this post, let me clarify that those 5 men were over a period of 20+ years :)

(Sadly, that's very close to the truth.... :( )

amacontent
04-21-2004, 02:22 PM
By the sound of it , if anyone cheats on you Peaches, HIV least of thier worries

OldJeff
04-21-2004, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 21 2004, 11:31 AM
In case any relative of mine ever reads this post, let me clarify that those 5 men were over a period of 20+ years :)

(Sadly, that's very close to the truth.... :( )
I might have you beat Peaches, 2 partners since 1986 (not a whole hell of a lot before then either)

Fucking around just ain't my style

Buff
04-21-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 08:07 AM
Well I will continue performing without a condom. I will wait a bit to see everyone retest in allotted time in LA , which is why im in Miami and Tampa shooting now.
But like I said on another board... if a plane crashes, and people die, will you not ever fly again. Some people wont but most will. You may be nervous getting on a plane knowing the potential risks, but you STILL get on.
A better analogy, Joe, could be constructed if you isolated the cause of the plane crash and determined only to fly on planes or with airlines who can prevent similar crashes in the future.

For instance, if the plane crashed because the pilots were drunk, maybe it would be a good idea only to fly airlines which made the pilots take a breathalizer test in front of the passengers before he started the engines up.

Flying isn't the problem... drunk pilots might be.

So it is with sex.

You're playing with fire, Joe.

amacontent
04-21-2004, 05:18 PM
Buff , youre playing with fire when you get out of bed.

Like I said, condom or no condom.. you say your playing with your life with out using a condom... so what youre saying is that you will risk your life on a .0001 mm piece of rubber. Condoms break , have holes, also are made by the lowest bidder. If its in the cards for something to happen to you, its gonna happen, no matter what

Peaches
04-21-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 05:26 PM
Buff , youre playing with fire when you get out of bed.

Like I said, condom or no condom.. you say your playing with your life with out using a condom... so what youre saying is that you will risk your life on a .0001 mm piece of rubber. Condoms break , have holes, also are made by the lowest bidder. If its in the cards for something to happen to you, its gonna happen, no matter what
SOME people die in car accidents when they wear their seatbelts. Enough survive accidents because of wearing them to make me weigh the odds and buckle up every time I get in the car. :) I know for a fact wearing one makes me safer than not wearing one and it's not a big deal to me, so I do. :) Same with condoms. :okthumb:

amacontent
04-21-2004, 07:53 PM
Sorry Peaches, if its youre turn, dont matter what youre wearing

eatapeach
04-21-2004, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 21 2004, 06:31 AM
The porn industry will be out of California so fast...

that's the first thing i thought.

this will be just another example of globalization in action; when government restrictions on business become a burden in one country there is little to keep the businessman from moving his business to another country.

when you can't shoot condom-free porn in the US and the customer wants condom-free porn the industry in the US will either wither and die, move underground, or move offshore.

eroswebmaster
04-21-2004, 09:20 PM
bidness will be good in nevada :)

Peaches
04-21-2004, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 08:01 PM
Sorry Peaches, if its youre turn, dont matter what youre wearing
So if it's NOT my turn, I can jump off a 20 story building and just kinda bounce? :rolleyes:

amacontent
04-21-2004, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 21 2004, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 21 2004, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--amacontent@Apr 21 2004, 08:01 PM
Sorry Peaches, if its youre turn, dont matter what youre wearing
So if it's NOT my turn, I can jump off a 20 story building and just kinda bounce? :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
Yep, go to the building and see if you got the balls to jump.. if you do.. it was meant to be, but you know you wont do it , so its not your time

Playful Melissa
04-22-2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Carrie@Apr 20 2004, 03:39 AM
The numbers keep fluctuating.
9, 15, 55 people are being tested for HIV, and suddenly the gov't wants to get involved.

There are plenty of things causing thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of deaths and the gov't isn't stepping in... but oh no, let a couple of people who fuck on film for money get a VD and we've gotta do something about it. :rolleyes: :headwall:
Okay its a pretty thought to believe we live in the land of the free- free speech, free expression, etc.

Its a lie -----accept and move on.....

As far as Government involvement - this is the same government that created crack and distributed it? Which was one of the contributing factors to the increase in the HIV infections in lower class America....

As far as Government involvment - this is the same Government that delared everyone involved in the ADULT industry "Bad Guys".... Did you really think that they weren't going to get involved and try and shut down the industry?

Wake up we have no stinking rights. The Soviet Union at its most powerful and controlling citizens had more rights then we do now.

Apathy - you let it happen.........


So because I'm a bad guy does that mean I can wear the black hat? I look good in black!!

LittleC
04-23-2004, 07:02 PM
I think the companies who produce the porn movies should be obligated to have the performers use condoms..

Why the responsibility is with the performers only ?