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Uri
04-18-2004, 12:07 PM
For those of you that are interested. It just hit the news over here and is on every TV station that the police are investigating whether the money transferred to Gilad Sharon's account in Israel came from casino owners in Jericho who are associated with Schlaf.

Gilad Sharon is the son of our Prime Minister who our government is investigation for illegal bribes.

The owner of that Casino in Jericho is none other than Ze'ev Rosenstein who just happens to be the partner of Stephen Michael Cohen.

Channel 2 is reporting that Rosenstein and Cohen who own 39 casinos through out Europe were just granted a new gambling license in Macau of which they are building a new hotel and casino. The reporters tried to contract Rosenstein and Cohen who were both unavailable for comment.

It looks like Rosenstein (godfather of our mafia) has had a one to one relationship with our PM Sharon. The tax authority here in Israel claims that Rosenstein’s casino interest is worth more than 3 billion dollars a year in revenue which is subject to Israel taxes.

For more, check the news over here or read the following:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1082094454282 (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1082094454282)



Uri

XXXManager
04-18-2004, 12:43 PM
hehe.
And the plot thickens.
Though Sharon's suspected ties with the underworld are not new ;) Even closer than that, his ties with David Apel are well known.

Uri
04-18-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by XXXManager@Apr 18 2004, 07:51 PM
hehe.
And the plot thickens.
Though Sharon's suspected ties with the underworld are not new ;) Even closer than that, his ties with David Apel are well known.
You are so correct. Everyone here in Israel believes that our PM has unclean hands but no ones believes that our attorney General will prosecute the PM. He is too well connected everywhere and most think he is the best PM that Israel has ever had.

Their is no doubt that he is a crook but maybe a good crook for Israel.


Uri

Rolo
04-18-2004, 05:06 PM
Uri, XXXManager - A little off topic, however I´m curious, who do you think can bring peace to the conflict? Or prehaps peace is too much to aim for now?

Uri
04-18-2004, 07:01 PM
My opinion is mine only. I think both sides are wrong and both sides are right. This is a little history of the problem.

When Israel became a country approved by the United Nations and the world it had a so called defined area. The country of Israel was to have a defined area that was for the Palestinians. The Arab world declared War against Israel and Israel won the war taking additional property from the arabs.

To make a long story short, the Arab world went to war with Israel 5 times and each time, they lost and Israel kept on taking more and more land that belonged to the Arab’s.

The Arab’s want their property back now that they have lost it years ago. I understand that, but it’s not realistic.

Israel also took property from Syria known as the Northern Galilee and Golan Heights area. Syria will only make peace if Israel gives back this property. At this point in time, due to the security of Israel, this will never happen. The Ba'th Party which controls Syria has declared war against Israel because of the property issue and because Israel is not a Muslim country.

Most of the Palestinians are good people that only care about their families and love ones. They just want peace. The conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are worse than anything you can imagine.

The PLO has elected Arafat as their leader. He had done very well for himself. He is worth about 6 billion dollars that he has stolen from his people. It is in Arafat’s interest to see that Hamas is destroyed because they have become a very serious threat to Arafat..

Where Israel screwed up was not building good schools, streets and hospitals for the Palestinian people and seeing that they were employed so they could support their families.

Hamas is a group that is very intelligent. Where Israel failed, they started to provide these things to the average Palestinian. The problem with Hamas is they hate anyone that is not a Muslim. They believe that no Jew, Christian or anyone other than a Muslim should be on the holy land. Most people do not realize on your side of the world that the Muslim’s are killing the Christians every day.

The whole Christian government in Lebanon was killed and replaced by a Muslim government supported by Syria on one night several years ago.

Every day there are killing between the Muslim’s and the Christians in Egypt, Iran and parts of Jordan and Saudi Arabia. This problem is not only a Jewish problem it is a problem with the WHOLE WORLD exclusive of the Muslim world.

What is funny is the Arab’s hate each other. Jordan, Lebanon and Syria have installed camps for the Palestinian’s in their country so the Palestinian's can't socialize with their people.

The Muslim people hate others that are not of their own kind. If you are a Shiite and the other Muslim is a Sunni, there exists a problem that could result in death of one depending on where you live and what is going on in your area. Some Shite’s and Sunni’s do live in peace again depending on where they are located.

Now how to solve the problem. Very simple, kill the leaders of all the groups that want to stop the peace process until both parties can come to the table and make peace that will last.



Now how to stop the war in Iraq. Very simple, “Start Public Executions on prime time television” with lots of torture and pain that last for hours,

Make sure everyone watching has popcorn and drinks. Don’t forget to cut off their balls during the torture and make sure that there is a lot of screaming and blood. Make a lottery on how long it takes for someone to die. Let the people watching make some money. The more pain and torture the better!

Most people that see that kind of shit are going to think twice about killing any Americans or for that matter killing anyone else. That is how the dictators did it and it WORKED. Just the thought of this kind of pain and torture will make your enmity want to walk up to you and KISS you in lieu of killing anyone.

In the end, we all want peace. We want to make money and support and care for our love ones. We want our friends to be happy and most importantly we want to enjoy live.

Uri



Last edited by Uri at Apr 19 2004, 02:18 AM

Rolo
04-18-2004, 08:16 PM
Most of the Palestinians are good people that only care about their families and love ones. They just want peace.

So if there were democracy (as we know it) in "Palestine", there would be much greater chance of peace?


What is funny is the Arab’s hate each other.


I have also wondered about how the "arab" mind works... I have found alot of anger, and frustration - I´m not sure what causes this (islam, no or minimal freedom etc.), however I think only by installing democracy in arab countries can we solve this long term - this would force them compromise.
Do you think, that if Iraq was to become a democracy, that they would be an enemy of Israel (as they were during Saddam)?

Uri
04-19-2004, 01:42 AM
The problem with the Arab people is education. Most of them are not educated. Their life is 100% Muslim and most of them have been educated by The Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas or one of the other Islamic organizations.

Sheikh Ahmed Yasin shortly before he assassinated sent a letter to the Arab Summit which stated in part that he wanted the summit to unite and kill all the Americans in Iraq and destroy Israel and make Palestine a 100% Muslim Country.

These groups believe that the holy land belongs to the Muslims and that ANYONE else there that is not a Muslim should be KILLED. That includes Christians and Jews. Most people on your side of the world do not realize that every day their are Christians being killed by the Muslims.

Last night three Christians were killed in Egypt by the Egyptian Islamic Resistance. This is one small example. I could spend 4 hours giving other examples.

What is unique is the Arab’s do not like each other. The only time that they are united is in a so called holy war known as a Jihad.

Jordan, Lebanon and Syria each of those countries have refugee Camps because those countries do not want the Palestinian people socializing with there own people.

The Muslims also do not like other Muslims not of their own kind. Example the Sunni’s and the Shiite’s are known to kill each other over religion or the differences in their religion. Remember the Iraq and Iran war. One side was Shites and the other was Sunni's.

The Muslim religion is a good one except for all the bullshit by the self serving so called leaders.

How to solve the problem. Each of the Arab's must be reeducated and taught that what they have learned by the self serving so called leaders may or may not be true.

The answer is to kill the self serving leaders and allow the people to install a form of democracy with its valid intuitions for the protection of its citizens. Given time and education and a new government for the people then and only then will the people be able to live in Peace.

Uri



Last edited by Uri at Apr 19 2004, 09:01 AM

JR
04-19-2004, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Uri@Apr 18 2004, 09:50 PM

The answer is to kill the self serving leaders and allow the people to install a form of democracy with its valid intuitions for the protection of its citizens. Given time and education and a new government for the people then and only then will the people be able to live in Peace.

funny... Hamas has similar view to yours. "kill all leaders who..."

Uri
04-19-2004, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by JR+Apr 19 2004, 09:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Apr 19 2004, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Uri@Apr 18 2004, 09:50 PM

The answer is to kill the self serving leaders and allow the people to install a form of democracy with its valid intuitions for the protection of its citizens. Given time and education and a new government for the people then and only then will the people be able to live in Peace.

funny... Hamas has similar view to yours. "kill all leaders who..."[/b][/quote]
You have it wrong. The leaders are only a small part, Hamas is very clear in their message. Everyone and anyone is a valid target who is in Israel. If you are Jewish, Christian or Muslim you are a valid target if you are in Israel and this also includes children and diplomats.

They don't care if you are representing another government. They killed the diplomats from Germany, Egypt and one from Japan who all were trying to make peace.

In Iraq, they just killed the diplomat from Iran.


Uri

JR
04-19-2004, 12:31 PM
I think it is semantics. What is Isreal doing to help Palestinian people or ease tensions?

everytime there is a bombing or an assassination, both sides sound like a broken record. ... "yeah but we just kill them because....[insert any rationale here]"

Uri
04-19-2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by JR@Apr 19 2004, 07:39 PM
I think it is semantics. What is Isreal doing to help Palestinian people or ease tensions?

everytime there is a bombing or an assassination, both sides sound like a broken record. ... "yeah but we just kill them because....[insert any rationale here]"
It is hard for a person that has not live over here to understand this war.

When you have lost a love one, a friend or a family member to a Palestinian suicide bomber then you will understand.

But wait a minute, maybe you do understand. Were you pissed off when the 9/11 thing happened in your country? How do you deal with persons who believe that it is their religious duty to fucking KILL YOU, your friends and your love ones!

I AM ALL EARS!

Uri

JR
04-19-2004, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Uri+Apr 19 2004, 02:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Uri @ Apr 19 2004, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Apr 19 2004, 07:39 PM
I think it is semantics. What is Isreal doing to help Palestinian people or ease tensions?

everytime there is a bombing or an assassination, both sides sound like a broken record. ... "yeah but we just kill them because....[insert any rationale here]"
It is hard for a person that has not live over here to understand this war.

When you have lost a love one, a friend or a family member to a Palestinian suicide bomber then you will understand.

But wait a minute, maybe you do understand. Were you pissed off when the 9/11 thing happened in your country? How do you deal with persons who believe that it is their religious duty to fucking KILL YOU, your friends and your love ones!

I AM ALL EARS!

Uri[/b][/quote]
do you think Palestinians have not lost loved ones?

do you have an Isreali/Palestinian body count handy to compare some data?

its all subjective.

"we are right because..."

you are now contradicting yourself....

YOU:
Most of the Palestinians are good people that only care about their families and love ones. They just want peace. The conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are worse than anything you can imagine.

Uri
04-19-2004, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by JR+Apr 20 2004, 01:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Apr 20 2004, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Uri@Apr 19 2004, 02:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Apr 19 2004, 07:39 PM
I think it is semantics. What is Isreal doing to help Palestinian people or ease tensions?

everytime there is a bombing or an assassination, both sides sound like a broken record. ... "yeah but we just kill them because....[insert any rationale here]"
It is hard for a person that has not live over here to understand this war.

When you have lost a love one, a friend or a family member to a Palestinian suicide bomber then you will understand.

But wait a minute, maybe you do understand. Were you pissed off when the 9/11 thing happened in your country? How do you deal with persons who believe that it is their religious duty to fucking KILL YOU, your friends and your love ones!

I AM ALL EARS!

Uri
do you think Palestinians have not lost loved ones?

do you have an Isreali/Palestinian body count handy to compare some data?

its all subjective.

"we are right because..."

you are now contradicting yourself....

YOU:
Most of the Palestinians are good people that only care about their families and love ones. They just want peace. The conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are worse than anything you can imagine.[/b][/quote]
Are you all there or are you out to dinner (or is it Lunch) as the Americans would say?

I have lots of friends that are Palestinians. I live in this part of the world.

Of course their are good Palestinians and most Palestinians are good people. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM.

We are talking about their so called leaders like the ones in HAMAS that want to kill everyone and anyone that is not MUSLIM.

Do we have some bad leaders in Israel, yes we do.

And yes, both sides have lost lots of good people that didn't deserve to lose their lives because of these bullshit leaders.


Uri



Last edited by Uri at Apr 20 2004, 05:48 AM

Opti
04-19-2004, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Uri@Apr 19 2004, 02:15 AM
For more, check the news over here or read the following:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1082094454282 (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1082094454282)



Uri
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Uri
04-20-2004, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Opti+Apr 20 2004, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Apr 20 2004, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Uri@Apr 19 2004, 02:15 AM
For more, check the news over here or read the following:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1082094454282 (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1082094454282)



Uri
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Opti there is more to the story than what you show.

From the Israel newspaper Haaretz, Hebrew version it is quite clear that the owners of the Casino in Jericho were Martin Schlaff, an Austrian businessman, Ze'ev Rosenstein, (Israel’s Mafia), Yossi Ginossar, (who is now deceased and who ran Israel’s secret service) and Dr, Rasheed who is the money man for Arafat (Bullshit president of Palestine).

Haaretz also reports that Martin Schlaff sold most of his casinos to Ze'ev Rosenstein and Stephen Michael Cohen, a citizen of Monaco and the previous owner of sex.com.

Israel’s newspaper Maariv reported that Rosenstein and Rasheed own a P2P company called Earthstation 5 located in Jenin.

The Washington Post and Dionysians.org a web site for P2P users, both show Cohen connected to Earthstation 5.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61110-2004Feb21?language=printer)

http://www.dionysians.org/forum/showthread...p=3748#post3748 (http://www.dionysians.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3748#post3748)

Now AVN is also reporting that Cohen is now tied to Earthstation 5.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/200404/new..._041204_9.shtml (http://www.avnonline.com/issues/200404/newsarchive/news_041204_9.shtml)


Several Chinese newspapers including one called SNWEB reported that the Chinese Government in Macau granted Rosenstein and Cohen a hotel and gambling license for their new 2.8 billion dollar hotel and casino. The newspaper also reported that their building permit was approved last week by the Special Administrative Region for Macau and construction will start in May.

http://www.snweb.com



Uri



Last edited by Uri at Apr 20 2004, 08:39 AM

aeon
04-20-2004, 01:54 AM
Islamic terrorists can't stand the idea of infidel's living on "muslim" lands...you wanna live there JR - you're just as much a target as a religious Jew or Christian or Buddhist...simply because you aren't a muslim.

Bin Laden wasn't pissed about "palestine" until it became politically advantageous for him to use that cause with other arabs...he was pissed about "infidels"; namely you and I, being on "muslim lands" and non-theocratic states in the middle east.

Bring back Bebe and get the shit over with.