A little self promotion

[baddog]

it never hurts (http://www.klixxx.com/stories/10q/baddog.html)- does it

[gonzo]

Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?

[baddog]

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 15 2004, 10:31 PM
Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?
thanks, I am sure Serge could hook you up :hic:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 01:31 AM
Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?
Maliciously create a thread title that impugns the integrity of a program owner for no reason and then don't acknowledge your mistake after the person you were championing admits you were wrong is what I'm guessing...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog@Apr 16 2004, 12:31 AM
it never hurts (http://www.klixxx.com/stories/10q/baddog.html)- does it
little self promotion MIGHT hurt...HUGE self promotion NEVER hurts
;-)))

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Apr 16 2004, 03:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Apr 16 2004, 03:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 01:31 AM
Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?
Maliciously create a thread title that impugns the integrity of a program owner for no reason and then don't acknowledge your mistake after the person you were championing admits you were wrong is what I'm guessing...[/b][/quote]
I didnt create the thread he did...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 06:36 AM
I didnt create the thread he did...
He was just answering your question. :awinky:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 16 2004, 07:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 16 2004, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 06:36 AM
I didnt create the thread he did...
He was just answering your question. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
...damn you stepped on my calling out to start the piss.
Remember I have been Serge's evil apprentice for several months now!

[Nickatilynx]

having read the interview.................

part seems to be merely a regurgitation of Serge's "Gold Rush" posts ,

part was the opinion of a rebel without a clue.

The rest however I must say , was total garbabge.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 16 2004, 10:00 AM
having read the interview.................

part seems to be merely a regurgitation of Serge's "Gold Rush" posts ,

part was the opinion of a rebel without a clue.

The rest however I must say , was total garbabge.
I read some of the same elements.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 16 2004, 07:00 AM
having read the interview.................

part seems to be merely a regurgitation of Serge's "Gold Rush" posts ,

part was the opinion of a rebel without a clue.

The rest however I must say , was total garbabge.
Hmmm, maybe you can clue me on as to what Gold Rush posts you are referring to. If you think I merely repeated what I read elsewhere, you are wrong.

I have never read anyone use the Gold Rush analogy (other than myself in previous interviews).

I am also interested in what you thought was garbage.

[Nickatilynx]

What you want me to write a fucking essay?

LOL

Dream on , I have given this far more time than it warrants already.

Good day!

;-))

[AM Jeff]

Good read baddog.

Your one of the few people out there that actually take time to promote yourself.

You wouldn't believe how many lazy motherfuckers there are in this business that bitch and moan, they make no money. But then again..all they do is sit on their ass and wait for the next coming of Christ or something.

They want the money and the webmasters.
But, they don't wanna take a few minutes of their time to do whatever they need to do, to get them webmasters.

Sad, but true.
Fuck them all...let them rot on the unemployment line.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Apr 16 2004, 12:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Apr 16 2004, 12:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 01:31 AM
Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?
Maliciously create a thread title that impugns the integrity of a program owner for no reason and then don't acknowledge your mistake after the person you were championing admits you were wrong is what I'm guessing...[/b][/quote]
Maliciously? Yeah right. I was going on what was told to me. I di dnot feel the need to bump the thread back up to page one after PC made her post.

That would have served no purpose since most people don't read the entire thread anyways, so it would have only done more damage to FC than anything.

Oh, and for the record, the interview was set up in Phoenix, so it had nothing to do the the PC vs FC thread.

[gonzo]

:wankit: :popcorn:

[baddog]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 16 2004, 07:35 AM
What you want me to write a fucking essay?

LOL

Dream on , I have given this far more time than it warrants already.

Good day!

;-))
pfft. . . .what's the matter? You seem easy with the criticism, but can't back it up?

Good day, indeed.

[baddog]

Originally posted by AM Jeff@Apr 16 2004, 07:35 AM
Good read baddog.

Your one of the few people out there that actually take time to promote yourself.

You wouldn't believe how many lazy motherfuckers there are in this business that bitch and moan, they make no money. But then again..all they do is sit on their ass and wait for the next coming of Christ or something.

They want the money and the webmasters.
But, they don't wanna take a few minutes of their time to do whatever they need to do, to get them webmasters.

Sad, but true.
Fuck them all...let them rot on the unemployment line.
Thank you, I do try.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 07:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Apr 16 2004, 07:35 AM
What you want me to write a fucking essay?

LOL

Dream on , I have given this far more time than it warrants already.

Good day!

;-))
pfft. . . .what's the matter? You seem easy with the criticism, but can't back it up?

Good day, indeed.[/b][/quote]
I said " Good Day" !!!!

Go sniff round some models or do whatever it is dickheads do.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 16 2004, 07:42 AM


Go sniff round some models or do whatever it is dickheads do.
I don't know, what is your daily schedule like? Does it include sniffing glue or models?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Apr 16 2004, 10:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Apr 16 2004, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Apr 16 2004, 10:00 AM
having read the interview.................

part seems to be merely a regurgitation of Serge's "Gold Rush" posts ,

part was the opinion of a rebel without a clue.

The rest however I must say , was total garbabge.
I read some of the same elements.[/b][/quote]
hmmm...people, when do you find time to read???

I, for one, is a WRITER and not a reader
;-))))

[masterp74]

Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 10:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Diamond Jim@Apr 16 2004, 12:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 01:31 AM
Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?
Maliciously create a thread title that impugns the integrity of a program owner for no reason and then don't acknowledge your mistake after the person you were championing admits you were wrong is what I'm guessing...
Maliciously? Yeah right. I was going on what was told to me. I di dnot feel the need to bump the thread back up to page one after PC made her post.

That would have served no purpose since most people don't read the entire thread anyways, so it would have only done more damage to FC than anything.

Oh, and for the record, the interview was set up in Phoenix, so it had nothing to do the the PC vs FC thread.[/b][/quote]
I see. Now you were looking out for Scott's best interests by not admitting you were wrong about the tone you created.

How noble...

:barfon:

[baddog]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Apr 16 2004, 10:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Apr 16 2004, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by -Diamond Jim@Apr 16 2004, 12:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Apr 16 2004, 01:31 AM
Nice profile!

I wonder who ya gotta know to get on the cover of that thing?
Maliciously create a thread title that impugns the integrity of a program owner for no reason and then don't acknowledge your mistake after the person you were championing admits you were wrong is what I'm guessing...
Maliciously? Yeah right. I was going on what was told to me. I di dnot feel the need to bump the thread back up to page one after PC made her post.

That would have served no purpose since most people don't read the entire thread anyways, so it would have only done more damage to FC than anything.

Oh, and for the record, the interview was set up in Phoenix, so it had nothing to do the the PC vs FC thread.
I see. Now you were looking out for Scott's best interests by not admitting you were wrong about the tone you created.

How noble...

:barfon:[/b][/quote]
okay. . . what was I wrong about? PC thought she was let go the day she was diagnosed. Isn't that in fact what I relayed?



Last edited by baddog at Apr 16 2004, 11:08 AM

[baddog]

Originally posted by masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 08:51 AM
Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.
Truth be told, I have never been inside an Internet cafe, unless you want to count Starbucks.

[baddog]

Just as a follow up (to Diamond Jim, since he seems so concerned), I asked PC if she minded if I bumped the GFY thread to retract my comment (even though there really is nothing to retract), and she said she would prefer if the issue dropped from the boards.

I will abide by her wishes.

Sorry Jim.

[Winetalk.com]

corrections:
"It was essentially one of the first, if not the first freehosts targeting adult webmasters.
"

the VERY first free hosting was run by Joe Holler,
so you can eliminate "IF" from the next interview
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

"The only thing I would definitely do differently would be to get into the providing of goods and services for webmasters a little sooner. I often use the analogy of the 1849 California Gold Rush.

There were tens of thousands of people rushing to California, seeking their fortune in the hills and rivers, hoping for that big strike, or the Mother Lode. Few ever saw their dream come true.

The ones that made the real money were the entrepreneurs that sold goods and services to the miners. Wells Fargo and Levi-Strauss are two examples of this. I like to think that eventually I will reach Well Fargo status, and if I had started a little earlier, perhaps this goal would be reached already.
"

all wrong...Levi Strauss made his money during Alaskan Gold Rush in 1898,
some 50 years later
;-)))
Klondike Gold Rush is a classical example of all "rushes", not California one which was MUCH smaller and much less dramatic...no frozen bodies along the way like in Alaska
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

"Shaving. I will never understand why someone would stay with a program that they know are shaving them. As long as program owners know they can get away with it, it will continue, but I personally don't think it needs to be an accepted practice.
"



don't be a fool....
if XYZ pays $1000 per 10000 hits sent and counts only 7000 hits after shave while ABC pays $800 per 10,000 hits sent and counts 10,000 hits without shaving,
SMART people sent, send and will send traffic to shavers.

I hope you understand it now for your next interview
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

I cannot think of one part of this industry that has not undergone some change. This will likely continue, and I for one look forward to it.

the part of the industry where wolves eating sheep and spitting their bones remains in tact from the day one......and THIS will NEVER change
;-))))

...even if sheep don't know it yet or think they are not eaten but rather fatten up just because the wolf is a very kind wolf
;-))))

[Mike AI]

Serge I think you have salvedged this thread and made it a pearl thread!!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Apr 16 2004, 04:02 PM
Serge I think you have salvedged this thread and made it a pearl thread!!
Mike, we had a few good this week,
I just moved this one there:
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...4f2a171b70fffb7 (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=11090&s=5a3777f504f0dbbc84f2a171b70fffb7)

I'll move this one later on there too when it falls to second page
;-)))

[Mike AI]

Very nice!

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:56 PM
"Shaving. I will never understand why someone would stay with a program that they know are shaving them. As long as program owners know they can get away with it, it will continue, but I personally don't think it needs to be an accepted practice.
"



don't be a fool....
if XYZ pays $1000 per 10000 hits sent and counts only 7000 hits after shave while ABC pays $800 per 10,000 hits sent and counts 10,000 hits without shaving,
SMART people sent, send and will send traffic to shavers.

I hope you understand it now for your next interview
;-)))
Serge, I would like to interview baddog for oprano.com's new section, "Interviews That Sucks, with Masterp74" :okthumb:



Last edited by masterp74 at Apr 16 2004, 02:15 PM

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:52 PM
"The only thing I would definitely do differently would be to get into the providing of goods and services for webmasters a little sooner. I often use the analogy of the 1849 California Gold Rush.

There were tens of thousands of people rushing to California, seeking their fortune in the hills and rivers, hoping for that big strike, or the Mother Lode. Few ever saw their dream come true.

The ones that made the real money were the entrepreneurs that sold goods and services to the miners. Wells Fargo and Levi-Strauss are two examples of this. I like to think that eventually I will reach Well Fargo status, and if I had started a little earlier, perhaps this goal would be reached already.
"

all wrong...Levi Strauss made his money during Alaskan Gold Rush in 1898,
some 50 years later
;-)))
Klondike Gold Rush is a classical example of all "rushes", not California one which was MUCH smaller and much less dramatic...no frozen bodies along the way like in Alaska
;-)))
hate to disagree with you, but Levi Strauss opened in 1854 in San Francisco. Perhaps he made more during the Klondike Rush, but he got his start from the Calif Gold Rush

I stand by my assertion.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:48 PM
corrections:
"It was essentially one of the first, if not the first freehosts targeting adult webmasters.
"

the VERY first free hosting was run by Joe Holler,
so you can eliminate "IF" from the next interview
;-)))
if it was before 1996 and targeting adult, okay. I will remember it for the next time, if I ever bring it up again.



Last edited by baddog at Apr 16 2004, 02:47 PM

[baddog]

Originally posted by masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 02:13 PM
Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.

*A little while later*


Serge, I would like to interview baddog for oprano.com's new section, "Interviews That Sucks, with Masterp74" :okthumb:
Hmmm, you should run for political office with your flip flopping

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:58 PM
I cannot think of one part of this industry that has not undergone some change. This will likely continue, and I for one look forward to it.

the part of the industry where wolves eating sheep and spitting their bones remains in tact from the day one......and THIS will NEVER change
;-))))

...even if sheep don't know it yet or think they are not eaten but rather fatten up just because the wolf is a very kind wolf
;-))))
the question was, "Predictions for the future… where do you think the adult web will be a year from now?"

I don't think your observation would have been an appropriate response.

Of course, I do try to limit my comments to my perspective, and not that of others.

[masterp74]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 02:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 02:13 PM
Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.

*A little while later*


Serge, I would like to interview baddog for oprano.com's new section, "Interviews That Sucks, with Masterp74" :okthumb:
Hmmm, you should run for political office with your flip flopping[/b][/quote]
what do you mean? I promise you that the interviews I do will suck

[baddog]

Originally posted by masterp74+Apr 16 2004, 03:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masterp74 @ Apr 16 2004, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 02:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 02:13 PM
Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.

*A little while later*


Serge, I would like to interview baddog for oprano.com's new section, "Interviews That Sucks, with Masterp74" :okthumb:
Hmmm, you should run for political office with your flip flopping
what do you mean? I promise you that the interviews I do will suck[/b][/quote]
okay, maybe you should be a politician for sure, because your post could have been taken two ways . . . perfect for a politician :agrin:

[masterp74]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 03:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 02:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 02:13 PM
Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.

*A little while later*


Serge, I would like to interview baddog for oprano.com's new section, "Interviews That Sucks, with Masterp74" :okthumb:
Hmmm, you should run for political office with your flip flopping
what do you mean? I promise you that the interviews I do will suck
okay, maybe you should be a politician for sure, because your post could have been taken two ways . . . perfect for a politician :agrin:[/b][/quote]
"masterp74 for mayor 2010" signs are in my garage as we speak

[baddog]

Originally posted by masterp74+Apr 16 2004, 03:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masterp74 @ Apr 16 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by -masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 02:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Apr 16 2004, 02:13 PM
Good interview. and here I thought you just rode Harleys and stopped of at internet cafe's to work.

*A little while later*


Serge, I would like to interview baddog for oprano.com's new section, "Interviews That Sucks, with Masterp74" :okthumb:
Hmmm, you should run for political office with your flip flopping
what do you mean? I promise you that the interviews I do will suck
okay, maybe you should be a politician for sure, because your post could have been taken two ways . . . perfect for a politician :agrin:
"masterp74 for mayor 2010" signs are in my garage as we speak[/b][/quote]
good luck. . . . send me an absentee ballot and I will Xerox off a few copies and send them in

Vote early, vote often is my motto

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 05:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:52 PM
"The only thing I would definitely do differently would be to get into the providing of goods and services for webmasters a little sooner. I often use the analogy of the 1849 California Gold Rush.

There were tens of thousands of people rushing to California, seeking their fortune in the hills and rivers, hoping for that big strike, or the Mother Lode. Few ever saw their dream come true.

The ones that made the real money were the entrepreneurs that sold goods and services to the miners. Wells Fargo and Levi-Strauss are two examples of this. I like to think that eventually I will reach Well Fargo status, and if I had started a little earlier, perhaps this goal would be reached already.
"

all wrong...Levi Strauss made his money during Alaskan Gold Rush in 1898,
some 50 years later
;-)))
Klondike Gold Rush is a classical example of all "rushes", not California one which was MUCH smaller and much less dramatic...no frozen bodies along the way like in Alaska
;-)))
hate to disagree with you, but Levi Strauss opened in 1854 in San Francisco. Perhaps he made more during the Klondike Rush, but he got his start from the Calif Gold Rush

I stand by my assertion.[/b][/quote]
I'd hate to disagree with me on American history too
;-))

1) you contradict yourself with the dates..
Gold Rush started in 448-49,
and LS opened the store in 1854...long after the rush was over
;_)))

2) here what and whom your are confusing him with:

http://www.pbs.org/goldrush/discovery.html

The Gold Rush needed a booster, and Sam Brannan was the man. A San Francisco merchant, Brannan was a skilled craftsman of hype. Eventually, the Gold Rush would make him the richest person in California -- but Sam Brannan never mined for gold.

He had a different scheme -- a plan he set into motion by running through the streets of San Francisco shouting about Marshall's discovery. As proof, Brannan held up a bottle of gold dust. It was a masterstroke that would spark the rush for gold -- and make Brannan rich.

JoAnn Levy, author "They Saw the Elephant"
"When he started racing through the streets yelling, "gold, gold in the American River," he wasn't planning on digging for it. He was planning on selling shovels. And the first person who sold shovels got a lot more gold that the person who had to dig for it."

Brannan keenly understood the laws of supply and demand. His wild run through San Francisco came just after he had purchased every pick axe, pan and shovel in the region. A metal pan that sold for twenty cents a few days earlier, was now available from Brannan for fifteen dollars. In just nine weeks he made thirty-six thousand dollars.




just say "Thank you" for THIS correction,
as I'm sure have prevented yopu from making similar mistake again
;_))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:48 PM
corrections:
"It was essentially one of the first, if not the first freehosts targeting adult webmasters.
"

the VERY first free hosting was run by Joe Holler,
so you can eliminate "IF" from the next interview
;-)))
if it was before 1996 and targeting adult, okay. I will remember it for the next time, if I ever bring it up again.[/b][/quote]
before 1996 was 1995...and I dare you telling me what life on the net was in 1995.

I know handful of people who can:
PK, Carol Cox and that's about it around here.

And if this free hosting you talk about started in 1996,
MONTH when it started is VERY important for "who's on first"?

;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

here is what you probably was reffering to,
alas, the source of it is...a LEGEND:

http://www.pbs.org/goldrush/goldcountry.html

King of the wheeling, dealing entrepenuers was Sam Brannan. The man who pulled the trigger on the Gold Rush was expanding his sphere of influence -- and earning unheard of profits. While miners talked of gold, Brannan shrewdly bought up carpet tacks -- every tack in California. By cornering the market, he could extort huge profits, a technique he executed flawlessly -- over and over. But Brannan was only the first in a long line of entrepenuers who made their fortunes without digging for gold.

In 1853 -- according to legend -- this man stitched a pair of pants out of canvas; sturdy pants that later became popular with the miners -- very popular. His name:Levi Strauss. But during the Gold Rush, Strauss was best known for his prosperous dry good business. It wasn't until 1872 that he added a critical innovation to canvas pants, the metal rivet -- a breakthrough that would change the course of American fashion.

This New York butcher decided one day to walk to California. Eventually, he opened a meat market in Placerville -- and later took his profits to Milwaukee, where he set up a meat processing plant. His name was Phillip Armour, and the Armour meat packing company became one of the nation's largest.

Armour's neighbor in Placerville, was an enterprising wheelbarrow maker who dreamed of bigger things. After saving every dime for six years, he left California for his home in Indiana. There, he plowed his profits into the family wagon-making business.
The man's name was John Studebaker -- and the family enterprise would go on to build covered wagons for the Oregon-bound pioneers, and later -- automobiles.




These two businessmen also looked west and saw opportunity. Sensing the unsettled atmosphere in California -- they offered what many miners desperately wanted: stability. The offered secure, honest banking, transportation, even mail delivery. They were Henry Wells and William Fargo. Their company, Wells Fargo, became a giant in the banking industry.

The most famous celebrity of the Gold Rush era came to California as a complete unknown and took a job writing for the San Francisco "Call." It wasn't long until his fanciful story about a frog jumping contest in nearby Calaveras County thrust him into the national spotlight. His name: Samuel Clemens -- Mark Twain.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 16 2004, 04:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 16 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 05:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:48 PM
corrections:
"It was essentially one of the first, if not the first freehosts targeting adult webmasters.
"

the VERY first free hosting was run by Joe Holler,
so you can eliminate "IF" from the next interview
;-)))
if it was before 1996 and targeting adult, okay. I will remember it for the next time, if I ever bring it up again.
before 1996 was 1995...and I dare you telling me what life on the net was in 1995.

I know handful of people who can:
PK, Carol Cox and that's about it around here.

And if this free hosting you talk about started in 1996,
MONTH when it started is VERY important for "who's on first"?

;-)))[/b][/quote]
again, I said it was 1996, I was not really into the "net" in 1995 as my 1200 baud modem made it too expensive to spend much time on it as I was being charged by the minute, and everything loaded so slowly.

As far as when in 1996 . . . man, I am too old to remember details like that, but as I recall it was sometime between Aug and Oct.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 04:51 PM
I'd hate to disagree with me on American history too
;-))

1) you contradict yourself with the dates..
Gold Rush started in 448-49,
and LS opened the store in 1854...long after the rush was over
;_)))

Not really sure why I am arguing this point with you, however, Levi Strauss was selling his pants (made out of tent canvas) before he had enough money to open his first store.

He was a kid, newly arrived to CA, with the intent of selling tents and wagon covers. The pants idea came as the result of a miner complaining that pants wore out too fast mining in the mountains.

While gold was indeed first discovered in 1848, and the rush began in 1849, this lasted several years. Strauss arrived in 1850, and the Gold Rush was still going strong.

With all due respect, I am sorry, but being a 5th generation Californian, born in San Francisco, and rather proud of my heritage, I highly doubt you are going to school me on California history.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 05:00 PM
In 1853 -- according to legend -- this man stitched a pair of pants out of canvas; sturdy pants that later became popular with the miners -- very popular. His name:Levi Strauss. But during the Gold Rush, Strauss was best known for his prosperous dry good business. It wasn't until 1872 that he added a critical innovation to canvas pants, the metal rivet -- a breakthrough that would change the course of American fashion.
haha - so, because it was legend, it can't possibly be true? Maybe you aren't real either then, huh :agrin:

[Carrie]

Arguing over a $20 pair of jeans and a $15 shovel.
Bored, eh?


(yeah yeah Serge I know it's more than that - but since the point isn't being made there really isn't a point, is there?)

[baddog]

Originally posted by Carrie@Apr 16 2004, 07:11 PM
Arguing over a $20 pair of jeans and a $15 shovel.
Bored, eh?


(yeah yeah Serge I know it's more than that - but since the point isn't being made there really isn't a point, is there?)
when was the last time you bought a pair of Levis? has been a while since they were $20 :lol:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by -baddog@Apr 16 2004, 05:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 12:48 PM
corrections:
"It was essentially one of the first, if not the first freehosts targeting adult webmasters.
"

the VERY first free hosting was run by Joe Holler,
so you can eliminate "IF" from the next interview
;-)))
if it was before 1996 and targeting adult, okay. I will remember it for the next time, if I ever bring it up again.
before 1996 was 1995...and I dare you telling me what life on the net was in 1995.

I know handful of people who can:
PK, Carol Cox and that's about it around here.

And if this free hosting you talk about started in 1996,
MONTH when it started is VERY important for "who's on first"?

;-)))
again, I said it was 1996, I was not really into the "net" in 1995 as my 1200 baud modem made it too expensive to spend much time on it as I was being charged by the minute, and everything loaded so slowly.

As far as when in 1996 . . . man, I am too old to remember details like that, but as I recall it was sometime between Aug and Oct.[/b][/quote]
Holler started his in July

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 09:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 04:51 PM
I'd hate to disagree with me on American history too
;-))

1) you contradict yourself with the dates..
Gold Rush started in 448-49,
and LS opened the store in 1854...long after the rush was over
;_)))

Not really sure why I am arguing this point with you, however, Levi Strauss was selling his pants (made out of tent canvas) before he had enough money to open his first store.

He was a kid, newly arrived to CA, with the intent of selling tents and wagon covers. The pants idea came as the result of a miner complaining that pants wore out too fast mining in the mountains.

While gold was indeed first discovered in 1848, and the rush began in 1849, this lasted several years. Strauss arrived in 1850, and the Gold Rush was still going strong.

With all due respect, I am sorry, but being a 5th generation Californian, born in San Francisco, and rather proud of my heritage, I highly doubt you are going to school me on California history.[/b][/quote]
pardon me, sire, but you said Strauss was selling shovels
;-))

and you are right...what the fuck American Professors teach RUSSIAN history in all US Universities?????

Russian history must be taught by Russians and American President should only be Native Indian....are you sure you are not a woman?
Your logic is
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 09:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 05:00 PM
In 1853 -- according to legend -- this man stitched a pair of pants out of canvas; sturdy pants that later became popular with the miners -- very popular. His name:Levi Strauss. But during the Gold Rush, Strauss was best known for his prosperous dry good business. It wasn't until 1872 that he added a critical innovation to canvas pants, the metal rivet -- a breakthrough that would change the course of American fashion.
haha - so, because it was legend, it can't possibly be true? Maybe you aren't real either then, huh :agrin:[/b][/quote]
I am as real as passions of Christ are real
;-)))))

Baddog, I swear not to argue with you about California's history if you see the flaws in youir LOGIC
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie@Apr 16 2004, 10:11 PM
Arguing over a $20 pair of jeans and a $15 shovel.
Bored, eh?


(yeah yeah Serge I know it's more than that - but since the point isn't being made there really isn't a point, is there?)
Carrie, this is what men do....they look for truth!
;-)))

we are NOT lawyers, you know!
;-)))

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:52 PM
pardon me, sire, but you said Strauss was selling shovels
;-))

I did what? When? Where? I am sure that I have never discussed shovels with anyone on any board. Would be very interested in seeing a link to where I did.

I just did a search to verify, but you are the first one to discuss shovels, followed by Carrie, and then myself when quoting Carrie, but even then, I only addressed the cost of Levi's.

Good wine tonight? :agrin:

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:52 PM
and you are right...what the fuck American Professors teach RUSSIAN history in all US Universities?????

As I have not attended all the US Universities, nor taken Russian History, I really have no idea what the nationality ratio is of professors teaching the subject.

I do know that if you are the professor teaching California History, I am the student that is taking the course simply because I knew it would be a piece of cake, and you would probably just give me an A and request that I become your TA.

No brag, just fact.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:53 PM
Baddog, I swear not to argue with you about California's history if you see the flaws in youir LOGIC
;-)))
You may have a deal, but first, my logic on what subject?

[Vick]

baddog - you seem like a reasonably decent guy from your posts

But your interview showed you don't know dick about business or at least this business

I think when it comes to building successful websites the primary focus should be on not confusing the surfer.
Who cares WTF you do to a surfer as long as they make you $$$
Everyone here at Oprano know a surfer is not your friend, they are a commodity

As far as successful programs go, honesty is number one./QUOTE]
No making $$$$ is #1, if you're successful you make $$$

[QUOTE]Cheating. Cheating the surfer by making the Terms and Conditions so difficult to understand you need legal counsel to decipher them. Including cross sells automatically. I know this position may not be a very popular one,
YOU are the problem, stop holding a surfers hand and make $

When asked what advice to give a newbie the answer is GET THE FUCK OUT THERE IS NO $ TO BE MADE

and the Levi Strauss shit is old, Raw Alex posted something like that 2-3 years ago on Netpond

and Shaving. I will never understand why someone would stay with a program that they know are shaving them. As long as program owners know they can get away with it, it will continue, but I personally don't think it needs to be an accepted practice
You missed the boat, what matters is who pays you the most. All programs are smoke and mirrors

Except Cloud 9 Cash
http://www.cloud9cash.com

Get a fucking grip


EMBRACE MAKING $$$$

Edit - WTF aren't the quotes working?



Last edited by Vick at Apr 17 2004, 02:55 AM

[baddog]

Vick,

I have never understood how a cj makes money. I do know how to make money from them by offering them value for their dollar. Go with what you know. Honesty and trust have always held a lot of importance to me. Sorry that is how it is.

To me it is easier to make money if you are honest. I led my life of crime in a prior life, yeah the money was easy, but having to look over my shoulder was a PITA. I will stick with my current path, thanks anyway.

If you don't think fucking with surfers is what has caused most of our recent problems with Visa, then I don't think you are paying attention.

Telling newbies there is no money to be made doesn't work. I would rather have them trust me, become my affiliates, and generate a handsome income, thus filling my coffers in the process. If no one else wants them, I will gladly take them off your hands.

I have no idea who Raw Alex is, and have never read anyone else use the Gold Rush analogy. I however have used it in prior interviews, which I can provide the links to if desired. To be honest, I have done reports in fucking grade school about the Gold Rush and my knowledge of life in the Gold Rush towns and who made the money is something I have known for at least 35 years. I don't need to read someone elses post on some board to come up with these ideas on my own. For all I know, he read my interview and used my analogy himself.

I have been ripped off by enough programs in my early years to know what works for me. My program (SexPicturesPass) does not shave, and will not shave and my affiliates know this.

Who knows, maybe I will never end up being a multi-millionaire, but I am happy with my life, and I enjoy the fact that no one can come spouting off somewhere that I ripped them off. Even if they hate me, think I am a total asshole, they know I am an honest asshole. I have quit jobs because they put my integrity and reputation at risk. Does that make me a fool? Who knows.

I know that my ethics have set an example for my two kids, and that is really more important to me than any amount of cash.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[baddog]

Vick, I am looking over your post again, and wondering if you even read the questions I was giving the answers to.

Question: What do you think is the most important element necessary to build a successful website or web program?

You suggest the answer is "No making $$$$ is #1, if you're successful you make $$$"

Granted making money is important, but until you can get people buying or promoting your site/product it is a little difficult. I know that my reputation accounts for why I was able to bring in almost 600 affiliates in a little under a year. I guess I could make my money by pulling something like AdultCheck did, but again, I am in this for the long run.

As far as confusing the surfer goes, I look at a lot of sites that are submitted to my AVS. I see what makes sales and what doesn't. For some reason you decided to use just the first sentence of that reply. Try reading the entire response: I think when it comes to building successful websites the primary focus should be on not confusing the surfer. Make sure that your site clearly reflects what it is you are trying to sell. In other words, don't make a tour using pictures of Jenna and Aria, and try to sell them a membership to ebony, amateur midget paysite.

That is what I mean about not confusing the surfer. How many TGP galleries have you seen with an ebony gallery trying to promote an Asian paysite? It happens a lot. That is what I was talking about.

Hey, but thanks for reading it . . . it means a lot to me.

[Carrie]

BD, since I refuse to pay more than I have to just because of a name sewn in a spot no one will ever see, I only buy Levis when they're on sale. :) Why pay $50 when you can wait a few weeks and get 'em for $20 or so?

You're gonna have a hard time convincing these guys that completely straight and narrow is the way to go. If it works for you, fantastic - more power to ya! But trust me, the crowd here sees that talk as naive. They've patted me on the head and said "aww how cute" for saying the same things and what can I say... they have a lot more money than I do. Different strokes for different folks, your mileage may vary, and all that good stuff.

[Monk]

Legend has it that the reason saloon owners would put sawdust on the floors is so that gold miners would not notice when flakes or small pieces of gold would fall from their pockets, etc. onto the floor.

At the end of the night, the sawdust was swept up by the owner and inspected for any fallen gold.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 04:29 AM
but again, I am in this for the long run.


hmmmm another fallacy.

This is the most common excuse from people who couldn't dig enough gold when it was abundant and in the nuggets form.
They now mine gold dust and even the gold in molecular form
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by baddog+Apr 16 2004, 11:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (baddog @ Apr 16 2004, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 16 2004, 07:53 PM
Baddog, I swear not to argue with you about California's history if you see the flaws in youir LOGIC
;-)))
You may have a deal, but first, my logic on what subject?[/b][/quote]
all of 'em in this thread.

you logic is full of allogisms and the saddest part you don't even see it unless this food for thought is chewed for you.

re-read the California's history-Californioan-Russian-Russian professors train of thought and TRY to see your allogisms without me chewing it down for you
;-)))

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Monk@Apr 17 2004, 05:28 AM
Legend has it that the reason saloon owners would put sawdust on the floors is so that gold miners would not notice when flakes or small pieces of gold would fall from their pockets, etc. onto the floor.

At the end of the night, the sawdust was swept up by the owner and inspected for any fallen gold.
that is something I never knew.




My first interview for Oprano.com is going to be with the gold rush guru, "Baddog" I will ask him the hard hitting questions on the gold rush and the after effects that came from it. This interview promises to suck. That is 100% masterp74 Guarantee. B)



Last edited by masterp74 at Apr 17 2004, 05:42 AM

[sarettah]

Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 04:03 AM
I have been ripped off by enough programs in my early years to know what works for me. My program (SexPicturesPass) does not shave, and will not shave and my affiliates know this.

Hey BD :)

Without shaving (either purposefully or inadvertently) please explain how you can track unique hits coming from an ISP that uses dynamic ips and server caching if the surfer turns off his/her cookies ? How do you guarantee that the webmaster who sent the surfer to the front door gets credit for the sale made 10 pages in an hour later ?

:unsure:

[baddog]

Originally posted by Monk@Apr 17 2004, 05:28 AM
Legend has it that the reason saloon owners would put sawdust on the floors is so that gold miners would not notice when flakes or small pieces of gold would fall from their pockets, etc. onto the floor.

At the end of the night, the sawdust was swept up by the owner and inspected for any fallen gold.
Does not surprise me. Since people were in the habit of paying for theiir drinks with gold dust (the bartender would take a pinch) the saloon owners would hire bartenders with huge hands so they could get bigger pinches.

[baddog]

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 17 2004, 05:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 17 2004, 05:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--baddog@Apr 17 2004, 04:03 AM
I have been ripped off by enough programs in my early years to know what works for me. My program (SexPicturesPass) does not shave, and will not shave and my affiliates know this.

Hey BD :)

Without shaving (either purposefully or inadvertently) please explain how you can track unique hits coming from an ISP that uses dynamic ips and server caching if the surfer turns off his/her cookies ? How do you guarantee that the webmaster who sent the surfer to the front door gets credit for the sale made 10 pages in an hour later ?

:unsure:[/b][/quote]
If the surfer turns off his cookies (which I really don't think happens that often) then a different affiliate may get credit for the signup. Not a hell of a lot I can do about that.

That is not shaving in my book, shaving is when I take a certain percentage of your signups and just don't give you or anyone else credit for the signup, and just keep all the profit for myself.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 09:16 AM

If the surfer turns off his cookies (which I really don't think happens that often) then a different affiliate may get credit for the signup. Not a hell of a lot I can do about that.


Do much work with Internet Explorer?

[baddog]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 17 2004, 05:39 AM


re-read the California's history-Californioan-Russian-Russian professors train of thought and TRY to see your allogisms without me chewing it down for you
;-)))
Well, if you had not made false accusations (ie: I said Levi Strauss sold shovels), as well as throw in your mistaken impression about things (ie: LS got his start during the Klondike Gold Rush) it would make it a little easier. :)

However, I will admit that it has given me some food for thought, and in a couple hours I will have my revised "Oprano version" of my interview ready.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 09:16 AM
If the surfer turns off his cookies (which I really don't think happens that often) then a different affiliate may get credit for the signup. Not a hell of a lot I can do about that.

That is not shaving in my book, shaving is when I take a certain percentage of your signups and just don't give you or anyone else credit for the signup, and just keep all the profit for myself.
Ok, when you cannot associate the signup with any affiliate, then who gets the credit. If you are a typical program, then you get the credit (rightfully so).

This inadvertently becomes a shave of sorts. A certain percentage of signups to your site are not going to be trackable under any circumstances. If the program takes those signups, then the webmaster who sent them is not going to get credit for them. It is not a purposeful shave and a really really good program might go to lots of extra effort to make sure that if they can associate the signup in any way, they do. But there will always be a certain percentage out there that the program gets to keep for itself.

[baddog]

Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 17 2004, 06:22 AM

Ok, when you cannot associate the signup with any affiliate, then who gets the credit. If you are a typical program, then you get the credit (rightfully so).

Like I said, if the surfer turns off their cookies, and is brought in by one affiliate, but ends up signing up through another one, that affiliate will get the credit for the signup. Nothing I can do about that. I do my best.

[baddog]

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 17 2004, 06:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 17 2004, 06:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--baddog@Apr 17 2004, 09:16 AM

If the surfer turns off his cookies (which I really don't think happens that often) then a different affiliate may get credit for the signup. Not a hell of a lot I can do about that.


Do much work with Internet Explorer?[/b][/quote]
Your point? I know you can turn off cookies. I don't. I doubt that a majority of Internet users do.

[baddog]

Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 17 2004, 06:22 AM


This inadvertently becomes a shave of sorts. A certain percentage of signups to your site are not going to be trackable under any circumstances
I don't know how your program works, I do know how ours works. I know exactly which site in our system has either brought in the surfer, or has made the sale (depending on if cookies have been turned off or not).

Our system is a little different than the average program. You would have to have to check it out I guess in order to understand.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by baddog@Apr 17 2004, 10:58 AM
I don't know how your program works, I do know how ours works. I know exactly which site in our system has either brought in the surfer, or has made the sale (depending on if cookies have been turned off or not).

Our system is a little different than the average program. You would have to have to check it out I guess in order to understand.
ROTFLMFAO..................

I have been doing webtracking software for a long long time now. I can say DEFINITIVELY that there is absolutely no way to give credit on every sale to the appropriate webmaster, either the original sender or the next one in the line. I mean you might run a program that decides that when it can't assign a sale to give it to a webmaster, randomly selected or something. But I doubt very much that you are doing it.

I started in this side of the biz back when we paid per click, then when we paid per unique.

The problems in makeing tracking accurate are still there and no software running either client side or server side can remove the inherent problems associated with it from the net.

If you are only tracking cookies, then not all webmasters are getting paid for their sales. If you are going to the ip level when the cookies don't work, then you are getting more accuracy but it still cannot be perfect because of server side caching schemes.

If you are not letting a surfer join because they turned off the cookies, then you would solve the problem, but I have yet to see a program that would turn down a legitimate sale just because it cannot be tracked to an affiliate and the FACT is that there is no software yet developed that can track with 100% accuracy across the net.