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sarettah
04-11-2004, 06:50 PM
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?...4/04/11/4166345 (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/04/11/4166345)

Bush gets tough on porn in the USA
With an election looming, the government is cracking down on the thriving adult market

Richard Luscombe in Miami
Sunday April 11, 2004
The Observer

America's booming adult entertainment industry is bracing itself for a 'summer of censorship' as the government clamps down on pornography.

For nearly 10 years, the resources of the Department of Justice's anti-obscenity division have been allocated almost exclusively to the war on child pornography, leaving those involved in the $10 billion-a-year (£5.5bn) adult market to their own devices.

But with producers of adult porn becoming increasingly lawless, according to Andrew Oosterbaan, head of the DoJ's anti-obscenity department, it is time to 'send ripples' through the industry and prosecute those producing and distributing obscene material. 'Nothing will be off-limits as far as content goes,' he said. 'We'll do everything we can to deter this conduct.'

Oosterbaan's department has its work cut out. More than 11,000 adult films are released annually in the US and there are 800 million DVD and video rentals of adult movies each year, according to the trade association Adult Video News.

Porn on the internet is at record levels. Websense, an internet software management company, announced earlier this month that it has more than 1.6 million adult web pages on its database, 18 times more than in 2000, and a recent Nielsen/Net Ratings study said one in four internet surfers in the US, about 34 million people, uses the web to visit adult sites.

Obscenity laws have been unchanged since 1973, when the Supreme Court ruled that for material to be considered obscene, an average person applying 'contemporary standards' must find it offensive and without artistic value.

The recent reappointment of high-profile anti-porn lawyer Bruce Taylor to the Justice Department is one clear indication of President George W. Bush's get-tough policy.

The move has drawn criticism from free-speech advocates such as the American Civil Liberties Union, and those involved in the adult entertainment industry say it is no coincidence that the policy shift comes just months ahead of November's presidential election.

'This agenda is to attract votes,' said lawyer Paul Cambria, who has defended many adult business owners, including the notorious Hustler publisher Larry Flynt, against obscenity charges. 'It's censorship. It's an effort by the Department of Justice to interfere with adults' rights to adult materials. We deal in plain old vanilla sex, nothing really outrageous.'

The clampdown on the adult entertainment industry mirrors a lower-tolerance approach being shown by federal government towards other areas of the media. The House of Representatives, concerned by a decline in broadcasting standards, approved tougher penalties for indecency on the airwaves and called the heads of the major broadcast networks together for warnings.


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Mike AI
04-11-2004, 07:01 PM
Looks like the a rehash of the last article.

Rolo
04-11-2004, 07:17 PM
http://www.sierratel.com/randyl/ashcroft.jpg

RawAlex
04-11-2004, 07:28 PM
Mike, almost certainly a "multi-newswire" local re-write of the story. To me, at that level, it is even more scary than a story on CNN. It means that the news is getting out to all levels, the public is being softened up for a stab at porn.

Politically, it is a trial balloon. Put the word out, see if you get any negative feedback. If the negative is small or not noticed, keep on pumping the story further and further into all corners of the country and get your plan ready to attack. With the election coming up, it is a very strong play to the "family", "conservative", and "christian" vote. You don't have to succeed, you just have to show that some action is coming about to be able to harp about it in speeches and in commercials on TV and radio.

There is a very high potential that this is going to be an ugly summer, especially if Bush and his crew start to feel that they are losing the election. They could strike out and go ultra conservative, taking as many shots at liberal targets before they get tossed out on their asses. In that case, we all need to lay low.

Alex

Mike AI
04-11-2004, 10:45 PM
Alex, the signs for crackdown continue to show up. Hopefully it will only be on the extreme stuff. Administrations who come under pressure can sometimes lash out.... I hope we do not become victem to this.

SykkBoy
04-12-2004, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Apr 11 2004, 09:53 PM
Alex, the signs for crackdown continue to show up. Hopefully it will only be on the extreme stuff. Administrations who come under pressure can sometimes lash out.... I hope we do not become victem to this.
tinfoil hat time, but I don't think they are only targeting the extreme stuff

Ashcroft made it very clear he was going after everyone, even the likes of HBO and Showtime.

I truly believe it is an election ploy, but I wonder how many companies could withstand it if they were the ones targeted.

Carrie
04-12-2004, 05:07 AM
This hasn't necessarily gotten down to the "local levels'.
Take a look at the newspaper - a large one in Miami, Florida. State of Jeb Bush, George's biggest supporter - and home of an incredibly large population of blue-haired conservative folks who come from an age where porn was the naughtiest thing on the planet.

This isn't a local thing, it's a strategic thing.
Fire up the demographically correct masses in a large, supportive-to-your-cause region.

Vick
04-12-2004, 11:17 AM
Let's be honest

The herd needs to be trimmed

3 times as much porn available on the internet as in 2000??!!!

Keep your head down, heed your attorney's advice, dot your I's and cross your T's

Mike AI
04-12-2004, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 11 2004, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 11 2004, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Apr 11 2004, 09:53 PM
Alex, the signs for crackdown continue to show up. Hopefully it will only be on the extreme stuff. Administrations who come under pressure can sometimes lash out.... I hope we do not become victem to this.
tinfoil hat time, but I don't think they are only targeting the extreme stuff

Ashcroft made it very clear he was going after everyone, even the likes of HBO and Showtime.

I truly believe it is an election ploy, but I wonder how many companies could withstand it if they were the ones targeted.[/b][/quote]
Sykk back up you posts.

I keep asking all the chicken-little's to post concrete evidence of a crackdown - real prosecutions against a "vanilla" porn company in the past 3 years.

photogregg
04-12-2004, 11:36 AM
10 years ago or longer...the govt. started their "War on Drugs"

Billions of $$$ later, tons of new agencies, and they're still losing.

I see the 'porn attack' as a non-winnable way for current politicians to gain votes and spend money...part of doing biz for the govt.

SykkBoy
04-12-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI+Apr 12 2004, 10:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Apr 12 2004, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -SykkBoy@Apr 11 2004, 11:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Apr 11 2004, 09:53 PM
Alex, the signs for crackdown continue to show up. Hopefully it will only be on the extreme stuff. Administrations who come under pressure can sometimes lash out.... I hope we do not become victem to this.
tinfoil hat time, but I don't think they are only targeting the extreme stuff

Ashcroft made it very clear he was going after everyone, even the likes of HBO and Showtime.

I truly believe it is an election ploy, but I wonder how many companies could withstand it if they were the ones targeted.
Sykk back up you posts.

I keep asking all the chicken-little's to post concrete evidence of a crackdown - real prosecutions against a "vanilla" porn company in the past 3 years.[/b][/quote]
Mike
remember the article you posted in the other thread?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.ob...-home-headlines (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)


In a speech in 2002, Ashcroft made it clear that the Justice Department intends to try. He said pornography "invades our homes persistently though the mail, phone, VCR, cable TV and the Internet," and has "strewn its victims from coast to coast."


Do you REALLY think this religious nutball will make a distinction between you and Rob Black or me and Max Hardcore?

You can hold your head and pray they only go after the "extreme" guys, but in reality, it could be just as easy for them to go after you. So, they might not win, could you recover from going up against the government? I most certainly couldn't even if I were to "win".

Do I think Ashcroft is coming after ME personally? I doubt it, but do I want to see someone else taken down? Not on your life. My first business partner is just beginning to recover almost a decade after being totally destroyed by the IRS and the Feds and he "won".

I also fear the slippery slope here...one day, they are ridding the world of Max Hardcore and the Sweets, then they go after bondage porn, then someone doing tranny porn, then it's interracial and so on.

I'd personally, much rather see the feds concentrate on the shady billing practices of the industry.

SykkBoy
04-12-2004, 02:10 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's time for panic mode, but I do think it's time for "deep concern" mode.

Mike AI
04-12-2004, 02:11 PM
Thanks for proving my point Sykk. You have NO concrete evidene, only rhetoric from people. I look to actions not words.

Vick
04-12-2004, 02:20 PM
and again I think it's time to embrace this supposed crackdown

SykkBoy
04-12-2004, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Apr 12 2004, 01:19 PM
Thanks for proving my point Sykk. You have NO concrete evidene, only rhetoric from people. I look to actions not words.
True
but that doesn't make the threat any less.

That's also why this administration needs to be voted out of office...

but I don't know that Kerry will be any better...

See, if GW would just kick Ashcroft in his ass and get a new AG, it might almost be enough to get my vote...almost

pushpills
04-12-2004, 05:48 PM
if they start cracking down on a huge amount of sites, we can all move our stuff to foreign servers and incorporate out of the u.s.


problem solved.

Vick
04-12-2004, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 12 2004, 02:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 12 2004, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Apr 12 2004, 01:19 PM
Thanks for proving my point Sykk. You have NO concrete evidene, only rhetoric from people. I look to actions not words.
True
but that doesn't make the threat any less.

That's also why this administration needs to be voted out of office...

but I don't know that Kerry will be any better...

See, if GW would just kick Ashcroft in his ass and get a new AG, it might almost be enough to get my vote...almost[/b][/quote]
It's not a threat

It's a huge opportunity

JR
04-12-2004, 06:15 PM
i am a victem of pornography.

:(

Peaches
04-12-2004, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by JR@Apr 12 2004, 06:23 PM
i am a victem of pornography.

:(
I was a victim of permography once in the 80's.

Vick
04-12-2004, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 12 2004, 09:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 12 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Apr 12 2004, 06:23 PM
i am a victem of pornography.

:(
I was a victim of permography once in the 80's.[/b][/quote]
Many of us had bad hair in the 80's :unsure: