Defense of the Grogans....

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JR,
I read your post about how little you remember sigs, buttons, etc....

what about posters?

how well do you remember them?



I'll tell you whom I remember well:
grogans, labrets, j'sdudes, 6packs, even less articulate Fletch,
the shit stirrers...they DO stick out.

How one uses it is another story,
but I know for a fact, that you'll respond to business e-mail from grogan faster than some unknown you can't picture in your head...

[JR]

i agree with that. i remember nicknames... i completely ignore their sigs and links unless i just want to know more about who they are. in the end, people are talking to names/people, not advertisements. i think that sigs have very little value myself. i think that the whole GFY thing is mostly newbies kidding themselves because the BELIEVE there is value. i don't believe in the value of a sig. i think its a nice thing in that it makes it easy for someone to check who you are but i think that is one piece of advertising that we are all trained to ignore.

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Originally posted by JR@Apr 4 2004, 06:47 PM
i agree with that. i remember nicknames... i completely ignore their sigs and links unless i just want to know more about who they are. in the end, people are talking to names/people, not advertisements. i think that sigs have very little value myself. i think that the whole GFY thing is mostly newbies kidding themselves because the BELIEVE there is value. i don't believe in the value of a sig. i think its a nice thing in that it makes it easy for someone to check who you are but i think that is one piece of advertising that we are all trained to ignore.
hahahhahahaha,
I am so good at that that I once moved sponsor post to...SPAM
;-)

I forgot he was a sponsor
;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 06:38 PM
How one uses it is another story,
but I know for a fact, that you'll respond to business e-mail from grogan faster than some unknown you can't picture in your head...
I remember nicknames too ... as well as a general impression of what has been represented behind that nickname.

Recognition of the nickname might make it more likely that I would READ an email; remembering how that nickname has presented itself would be the deciding factor in whether I responded, or what that response might be.

When it comes to doing business, I don't give a rat's ass in hell what your politics are. After all, some of my best friends (and close family members) are conservative Republicans. :D

I do, however, tend to stay away from people who use terms like "pimp" or "bling-bling" in a business context, people who overuse the contrived piss as a marketing tool, and people who demonstrate either an overabundance of regard for themself or seem to lack the basic maturity one would expect of a businessperson.

[cj]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 4 2004, 07:04 PM
I do, however, tend to stay away from people who use terms like "pimp" or "bling-bling" in a business context,
oh reeeeeeeaaaaaly pd?!

:yowsa:

:biglaugh:



JR, your opinion is YOU - but just because you don't notice them, doesn't mean nobody else does ...

without looking, off the top of my head ... serge's sig tells us whats new at his travel photo gallery, or links to one of the threads in another section. colin's has a cute sentence like 'nice pornographers run this' or something, going to pleasure labs. pd has content god button. jr, you alternate between funny phrases rarely with advertising. gonzo has his music radio & a mixture of other links. masterp has an oprano poker banner, no text. peaches has had 'and you can still email me' & something about checks for months, then changed to a big weg banner last week. billy has 2 buttons with text under, a purecash and an isjustanasshole. carrie had a stocking site 'coming soon' in her avatar for a while - then replaced it with a sig button when it was live.

i could keep going if i really thought hard about it .....

in the banners at the top is quickbuck, weg, sexmoney, epassporte, purecash and i think maxcash is still there ...

sigs start conversation if you are creative and good at grabbing attention. they get 'news' across like payout changes, product changes etc. avatars are also useful marketing tool - every time i change photos, either object or personal pic, i get a comment from someone.

a 'sig' alone might not be very effective, but combine a sig with a thread, a press release, an avatar and a banner and you have a campaign. ya just have to know which order ;-)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by cj+Apr 4 2004, 07:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Apr 4 2004, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Apr 4 2004, 07:04 PM
I do, however, tend to stay away from people who use terms like "pimp" or "bling-bling" in a business context,
oh reeeeeeeaaaaaly pd?!

:yowsa:

:biglaugh:



JR, your opinion is YOU - but just because you don't notice them, doesn't mean nobody else does ...

without looking, off the top of my head ... serge's sig tells us whats new at his travel photo gallery, or links to one of the threads in another section. colin's has a cute sentence like 'nice pornographers run this' or something, going to pleasure labs. pd has content god button. jr, you alternate between funny phrases rarely with advertising. gonzo has his music radio & a mixture of other links. masterp has an oprano poker banner, no text. peaches has had 'and you can still email me' & something about checks for months, then changed to a big weg banner last week. billy has 2 buttons with text under, a purecash and an isjustanasshole. carrie had a stocking site 'coming soon' in her avatar for a while - then replaced it with a sig button when it was live.

i could keep going if i really thought hard about it .....

in the banners at the top is quickbuck, weg, sexmoney, epassporte, purecash and i think maxcash is still there ...

sigs start conversation if you are creative and good at grabbing attention. they get 'news' across like payout changes, product changes etc. avatars are also useful marketing tool - every time i change photos, either object or personal pic, i get a comment from someone.

a 'sig' alone might not be very effective, but combine a sig with a thread, a press release, an avatar and a banner and you have a campaign. ya just have to know which order ;-)[/b][/quote]
You think an avatar could start a sucessful branding exercise?

[cj]

having long hair in my avatar has been an unintentional marketing exercise ... your fur coat pic is a marketing exercise ...

why wouldn't an avatar be a valid marketing opportunity?! its a square graphic next to your nickname ... how much more obvious does it need to be?!

:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Apr 4 2004, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Apr 4 2004, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 06:38 PM
How one uses it is another story,
but I know for a fact, that you'll respond to business e-mail from grogan faster than some unknown you can't picture in your head...
I remember nicknames too ... as well as a general impression of what has been represented behind that nickname.

Recognition of the nickname might make it more likely that I would READ an email; remembering how that nickname has presented itself would be the deciding factor in whether I responded, or what that response might be.

When it comes to doing business, I don't give a rat's ass in hell what your politics are. After all, some of my best friends (and close family members) are conservative Republicans. :D

I do, however, tend to stay away from people who use terms like "pimp" or "bling-bling" in a business context, people who overuse the contrived piss as a marketing tool, and people who demonstrate either an overabundance of regard for themself or seem to lack the basic maturity one would expect of a businessperson.[/b][/quote]
PD, if I was thinking like you thinking,
I'd never done biz with Ryan LaNane...and left a few bucks on the table,
oldtimers remember our opisses on YNOT, he was WORSE than grogans
;_)

[pushpills]

"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.

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Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
no, you don't,
generationX mon
;-)))

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 4 2004, 07:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 4 2004, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
no, you don't,
generationX mon
;-)))[/b][/quote]
alone, with many stilts and bunjee cords.


I didn't hear back about poker, book plus inscription for....?


and what is that wine again? I couldn't find any on any websites, would like to try it if it's as smooth as milk :awinky:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by cj+Apr 4 2004, 07:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Apr 4 2004, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Apr 4 2004, 07:04 PM
I do, however, tend to stay away from people who use terms like "pimp" or "bling-bling" in a business context,
oh reeeeeeeaaaaaly pd?!

:yowsa:

:biglaugh:[/b][/quote]
Hey, when I put my foot in it, I don't see any point in not putting it all the way in. :D

It's one thing to use it as a part of advertising/promotional material, since it's become part of the venacular whether I like it or not. It's quite another to go to a website and find that ALL of the material is written to appeal to Camaro-driving pimp wannabes.

PD, if I was thinking like you thinking,
I'd never done biz with Ryan LaNane...and left a few bucks on the table,
oldtimers remember our opisses on YNOT, he was WORSE than grogans
;_)

Serge ... I don't think I said I wouldn't use the technique myself to promote a product or service should the occasion arise. I said that it is an extremely ineffective way to reach me when it's being done by others.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
I stand alone.


As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
Jackyl...first album....and trust me you dont stand alone like that they are talking about.

Face branding ... I dont know nuffin about that.

[pushpills]

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 4 2004, 08:59 PM

Face branding ... I dont know nuffin about that.
Thought it was photoshop.

[cj]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Apr 4 2004, 09:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Apr 4 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -cj@Apr 4 2004, 07:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Apr 4 2004, 07:04 PM
I do, however, tend to stay away from people who use terms like "pimp" or "bling-bling" in a business context,
oh reeeeeeeaaaaaly pd?!

:yowsa:

:biglaugh:
Hey, when I put my foot in it, I don't see any point in not putting it all the way in. :D

It's one thing to use it as a part of advertising/promotional material, since it's become part of the venacular whether I like it or not. It's quite another to go to a website and find that ALL of the material is written to appeal to Camaro-driving pimp wannabes.[/b][/quote]
:biglaugh:

ya know, my tongue was in my cheek when my biz partner and I came up with the name.

if ya can't beat em, join em & do it better while entertaining yaself along the way :awinky:

don't worry, there won't be any hosted galleries and ferrari giveaways :rolleyes: i like that old fashioned word PROFIT :okthumb:

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Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 4 2004, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 4 2004, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 07:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
no, you don't,
generationX mon
;-)))
alone, with many stilts and bunjee cords.


I didn't hear back about poker, book plus inscription for....?


and what is that wine again? I couldn't find any on any websites, would like to try it if it's as smooth as milk :awinky:[/b][/quote]
you can't...the whole vintage was 500 cases and now it's all gone...
I know 3 people who have it:
MikeW, MikeAI, me and this is it.

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 5 2004, 03:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 5 2004, 03:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 07:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
no, you don't,
generationX mon
;-)))
alone, with many stilts and bunjee cords.


I didn't hear back about poker, book plus inscription for....?


and what is that wine again? I couldn't find any on any websites, would like to try it if it's as smooth as milk :awinky:
you can't...the whole vintage was 500 cases and now it's all gone...
I know 3 people who have it:
MikeW, MikeAI, me and this is it.[/b][/quote]
interesting....then bet ME a bottle of it :)

[Carrie]

It's funny how some things stick in the mind and others don't. I'm not sure if it's a mixture of branding or just hearing/seeing it repeated so often that it sticks.
I couldn't remember tonight what the name of 12Click's site was, had to look it up even though I see him posting all the time, but ask me what any of the folks posting in this thread work(ed) with (besides Grogan's "some email something or other") and I could tell ya.

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Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 5 2004, 04:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 5 2004, 04:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 07:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
no, you don't,
generationX mon
;-)))
alone, with many stilts and bunjee cords.


I didn't hear back about poker, book plus inscription for....?


and what is that wine again? I couldn't find any on any websites, would like to try it if it's as smooth as milk :awinky:
you can't...the whole vintage was 500 cases and now it's all gone...
I know 3 people who have it:
MikeW, MikeAI, me and this is it.
interesting....then bet ME a bottle of it :)[/b][/quote]
ok, it's a bet

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 5 2004, 03:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 5 2004, 03:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 5 2004, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 07:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 08:40 PM
"Defense of the Grogans.... "

don't assign me to any group, I stand alone.



As far as face branding goes, time will tell.
no, you don't,
generationX mon
;-)))
alone, with many stilts and bunjee cords.


I didn't hear back about poker, book plus inscription for....?


and what is that wine again? I couldn't find any on any websites, would like to try it if it's as smooth as milk :awinky:
you can't...the whole vintage was 500 cases and now it's all gone...
I know 3 people who have it:
MikeW, MikeAI, me and this is it.
interesting....then bet ME a bottle of it :)
ok, it's a bet[/b][/quote]
arite now we are getting somewhere...

what do you want as counter bet?

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how about a pound of some KICK ASS coffee?

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Carrie@Apr 5 2004, 01:21 AM
It's funny how some things stick in the mind and others don't. I'm not sure if it's a mixture of branding or just hearing/seeing it repeated so often that it sticks.
I couldn't remember tonight what the name of 12Click's site was, had to look it up even though I see him posting all the time, but ask me what any of the folks posting in this thread work(ed) with (besides Grogan's "some email something or other") and I could tell ya.
when you hear the nic pornstar2pac or masterp74, what's the first word that pops in your head?







:stout:

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:30 AM
how about a pound of some KICK ASS coffee?
Absolutely, anything in mind? I have a starbucks 100 feet away so I don't really have a personal favorite to brew right now, so lmk.

And my face brandability will be worthwhile, patience I say. You should skip your trip in August, I'll need a volunteer.

I'll catch you later today I've got to get some sleep. good"night" :zzz:

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Originally posted by masterp74@Apr 5 2004, 04:37 AM
masterp74, what's the first word that pops in your head?







:stout:
7-11

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Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 5 2004, 04:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 5 2004, 04:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:30 AM
how about a pound of some KICK ASS coffee?
Absolutely, anything in mind? I have a starbucks 100 feet away so I don't really have a personal favorite to brew right now, so lmk.

And my face brandability will be worthwhile, patience I say. You should skip your trip in August, I'll need a volunteer.

I'll catch you later today I've got to get some sleep. good"night" :zzz:[/b][/quote]
4 boxes of Traditional Roast , medium roast
http://www.joingevalia.com
will do
;-)))

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 5 2004, 01:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 5 2004, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Apr 5 2004, 04:37 AM
masterp74, what's the first word that pops in your head?







:stout:
7-11[/b][/quote]
Bingo :okthumb:

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 5 2004, 03:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 5 2004, 03:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 5 2004, 04:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:30 AM
how about a pound of some KICK ASS coffee?
Absolutely, anything in mind? I have a starbucks 100 feet away so I don't really have a personal favorite to brew right now, so lmk.

And my face brandability will be worthwhile, patience I say. You should skip your trip in August, I'll need a volunteer.

I'll catch you later today I've got to get some sleep. good"night" :zzz:
4 boxes of Traditional Roast , medium roast
http://www.joingevalia.com
will do
;-)))[/b][/quote]
You are on! Whole bean? Not like it matters, I probably won't be losing.

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Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 5 2004, 08:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 5 2004, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 5 2004, 04:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:30 AM
how about a pound of some KICK ASS coffee?
Absolutely, anything in mind? I have a starbucks 100 feet away so I don't really have a personal favorite to brew right now, so lmk.

And my face brandability will be worthwhile, patience I say. You should skip your trip in August, I'll need a volunteer.

I'll catch you later today I've got to get some sleep. good"night" :zzz:
4 boxes of Traditional Roast , medium roast
http://www.joingevalia.com
will do
;-)))
You are on! Whole bean? Not like it matters, I probably won't be losing.[/b][/quote]
whole bean, of course
;-)))

and.....what makes you beleive that you win? How do you substantiate your assumptions?

just trying to see how your reasoning process woiks
;-))

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 5 2004, 08:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 5 2004, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 5 2004, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 5 2004, 04:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 5 2004, 03:30 AM
how about a pound of some KICK ASS coffee?
Absolutely, anything in mind? I have a starbucks 100 feet away so I don't really have a personal favorite to brew right now, so lmk.

And my face brandability will be worthwhile, patience I say. You should skip your trip in August, I'll need a volunteer.

I'll catch you later today I've got to get some sleep. good"night" :zzz:
4 boxes of Traditional Roast , medium roast
http://www.joingevalia.com
will do
;-)))
You are on! Whole bean? Not like it matters, I probably won't be losing.
whole bean, of course
;-)))

and.....what makes you beleive that you win? How do you substantiate your assumptions?

just trying to see how your reasoning process woiks
;-))[/b][/quote]
psyche out
http://www.treyparker.iwarp.com/blubeer.jpg


Serge, nothing is certain! But I'm interested in trying that wine, I will have cheese platter waiting while we play.

I've got a whole mess of stuff to do today, oh masterp set us up a game (what are we playing? limit holdem?)

[pushpills]

Don't forget if I win, when you ship it out write in something that doesnt say wine, as of current I have no ID that says Steve Burritt is 21.

Just put computer parts or sex lube or something.