Quality over Quantity.

[Mike AI]

In todays industry, there has been a mad rush to the lowest common denominator. This includes not only the takeover of TGPs, but also in webmaster boards.

As Serge has pointed out we do not want to sink like our competition to paying for posts, giving prizes away for any and everything. We do not want Oprano filled with useless posts, or overrun by kiddies who want to talk about nailing chicks and smoking pot.

In my opinion Oprano has been and always will be about QUALITY.

The big question is, can Quality overcome Quanity? Can Oprano survive in todays busniess environment by focusing on Quality?

If so, how can we emphesis the quality and start attracting other quality webmasters?

How can we improve on the quality of Oprano?

I am convinced that no matter what the fad is, quality is timeless and always in demand.

[pushpills]

Well of course it can "survive" but as far as how much money it makes who knows.

Since there are 20 lurkers per active user, I think the alexa ranking will stay high and advertisers will keep advertising. Nothing is certain about 2 years from now, 5 years from now etc.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:30 PM
Well of course it can "survive" but as far as how much money it makes who knows.

Since there are 20 lurkers per active user, I think the alexa ranking will stay high and advertisers will keep advertising. Nothing is certain about 2 years from now, 5 years from now etc.
Steve, is that your name, right?

read the Bible...
NO MONEY can buy you your lost soul.

Fuck the money, SANITY and pleasure of the good company is MORE important to BOTH of us.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:30 PM
Well of course it can "survive" but as far as how much money it makes who knows.

Since there are 20 lurkers per active user, I think the alexa ranking will stay high and advertisers will keep advertising. Nothing is certain about 2 years from now, 5 years from now etc.
Survive might have been a poor choice of words, how about THRIVE.

It is not just about money, it is also about having the cream of the industry, and offering a top notch product. Having a community of bright people who contribute, but also learn and benefit from the knowledge ( lesson and mistakes) of others.

[pushpills]

If money is not an issue, then yes, Oprano will thrive imo.

I think most in the industry know to come here for worthwhile chat. Although I come for the different smileys.

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM

Steve, is that your name, right?
yes

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:40 PM
If money is not an issue, then yes, Oprano will thrive imo.

I think most in the industry know to come here for worthwhile chat. Although I come for the different smileys.
keen observation on the state of the Industry I got today via ICQ:

"Personally I came to the party because I wanted to listen to the more successful crowd talk, see what pearls were dropped on the floor and by watching everything anticipate the next big moves.
Problem is a lot of the big players are either watching for that same move or they have made the move to fuck everything that moves."

VERY keen observation in my opinion!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 3 2004, 07:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 3 2004, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM

Steve, is that your name, right?
yes[/b][/quote]
than I'll call you STEVE,
I can't remember all changing aliases at my old age

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 04:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM

Steve, is that your name, right?
yes
than I'll call you STEVE,
I can't remember all changing aliases at my old age[/b][/quote]
Well if you have a problem with me you should call me grogan. Otherwise Steve is fine. :awinky:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 07:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:40 PM
If money is not an issue, then yes, Oprano will thrive imo.

I think most in the industry know to come here for worthwhile chat. Although I come for the different smileys.
keen observation on the state of the Industry I got today via ICQ:

"Personally I came to the party because I wanted to listen to the more successful crowd talk, see what pearls were dropped on the floor and by watching everything anticipate the next big moves.
Problem is a lot of the big players are either watching for that same move or they have made the move to fuck everything that moves."

VERY keen observation in my opinion![/b][/quote]


Serge I got something very similair in ICQ....


I came to Oprano to read between the lines...to see the truth and to anticipate the next trend. I
think everyone is looking for the next trend.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 3 2004, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 3 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM

Steve, is that your name, right?
yes
than I'll call you STEVE,
I can't remember all changing aliases at my old age
Well if you have a problem with me you should call me grogan. Otherwise Steve is fine. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
;-)
that's a deal
;-)

[Winetalk.com]

P.S., but if you REALLY piss me off, I'll call you STEPHEN
;-))))

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 07:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 07:30 PM
Well of course it can "survive" but as far as how much money it makes who knows.

Since there are 20 lurkers per active user, I think the alexa ranking will stay high and advertisers will keep advertising. Nothing is certain about 2 years from now, 5 years from now etc.
Steve, is that your name, right?

read the Bible...
NO MONEY can buy you your lost soul.

Fuck the money, SANITY and pleasure of the good company is MORE important to BOTH of us.[/b][/quote]
OMG Serge!!!

I remember a few months ago we had a little conversation after I banned that master blogger idiot on NSC after he made just 1 post, lol.

I said something about I rather sell my soul to the devil, and you said how much.

NSC was launched for one reason and one reason only. Because J'smoron ruined amateurmasters and none of us girls could make a post without him jumping all over us. So I put up a new board for me and my friends.

Ironically, then he got banned from amateurmasters and is now stalking me on my other 2 favorite boards... Oprano and Netpond.

Webmaster boards are all overun by stalkers, pervs and carreer posters now. I rather just throw myself into a chatroom of horny surfers and make my money that way. They are much easier to deal with than "webmasters".


Sabby:)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Sabby@Apr 3 2004, 07:57 PM

Ironically, then he got banned from amateurmasters and is now stalking me on my other 2 favorite boards... Oprano and Netpond.


Oh shit! Here we go again...

[theduderocks]

Sabby you are truly delusional. Why would I stalk you. I post on boards and all of a sudden you show up with insulting posts.
"none of us girls"
Deary me. Us poor girls. Sabby, you are following me from board to board with the same stupid comments. Why are you so fascinated by me? Have I stirred some deep "girly" emotion in you? I can help, but I am not cheap.

[Mike AI]

Sabby, has he harassed you on Oprano lately??

While I am pro-piss, and think people should be able to debate issues till the cows come home, Oprano should not be a stalking grounds for people to harass others. Especially those who try to mind their business.

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:53 PM
P.S., but if you REALLY piss me off, I'll call you STEPHEN
;-))))
Just like my womens.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 08:01 PM
I can help, but I am not cheap.
quote me on the writing the book for me
"How the West was REALLY won"

I got the quote from Luke Ford already....

[Sabby]

I havent posted on Oprano lately (since before serge left to europe).

I wasnt posting here so he decided to come over to netpond and harass me over there instead, and I can show you the threads if you wish.


Sabby:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 3 2004, 08:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 3 2004, 08:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:53 PM
P.S., but if you REALLY piss me off, I'll call you STEPHEN
;-))))
Just like my womens.[/b][/quote]
do I need an English lesson???

what is "womens"?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Sabby@Apr 3 2004, 08:04 PM
I havent posted on Oprano lately (since before serge left to europe).

I wasnt posting here so he decided to come over to netpond and harass me over there instead, and I can show you the threads if you wish.


Sabby:)
Sabby, he was banned here....journalist needs to write somewhere...

[Winetalk.com]

and BTW, Sabbi, will you harass him back if you won't get 5 cents per harasment?
;-))))

[TheEnforcer]

A couple questions for you to consider. Answer them and you have your answer.

1) Do you and Serge still enjoy having the board?

2) Are your advertisers happy with the results they get from the board?

3) Is the board still profitable?

If yes to all 3 you have your answer for sure. If not your answer could be anywhere from a minor tweak to the board to saying fuck it and closing it down.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 05:06 PM
and BTW, Sabbi, will you harass him back if you won't get 5 cents per harasment?
;-))))
She is a neophyte harraser. Not very good at it. But she follows me from board to board.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Apr 3 2004, 08:06 PM
A couple questions for you to consider. Answer them and you have your answer.

1) Do you and Serge still enjoy having the board?

2) Are your advertisers happy with the results they get from the board?

3) Is the board still profitable?

If yes to all 3 you have your answer for sure. If not your answer could be anywhere from a minor tweak to the board to saying fuck it and closing it down.
I'll answer you IN DEPTH after the Calligula

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 08:08 PM
I'll answer you IN DEPTH after the Calligula
That drastic eh ? eek :unsure:

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 05:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 08:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:53 PM
P.S., but if you REALLY piss me off, I'll call you STEPHEN
;-))))
Just like my womens.
do I need an English lesson???

what is "womens"?[/b][/quote]
genx terminology for the plural form of woman.

and YES you do need an english lesson. :okthumb:

[Meni]

This board lacks people

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Meni@Apr 4 2004, 12:44 AM
This board lacks people
Re-read the title of the thread and the following posts. :awinky:

[Evil Chris]

Quality will win over.
The occasional prize and contest is fine and all, but paying to post? It has never motivated me to post anywhere in particular.

[Hell Puppy]

i agree with a couple of those quotes. The current methods of business seem to be in a downward spiral. I catch myself watching to see how it's all gonna break and looking for the new opportunities that upheaval always brings.

I think Oprano presents the best vantage point. If something were to happen like Visa/MC completely leaving adult, I cant imagine not being able to compare thoughts with the people in this forum.

In the interim, it's also hard to totally ignore some of the other boards because there is business to be done there. Although the signal to noise ratio is unbearable. Anyone copying the GFY model is short sighted, I hate posts that were made just for the sake of getting a post and your signature out there. Post only when you have something to say.

With that said, I would truly hate to see Oprano start bribing for participation. I'm not sure I really care what a guy who'll whore himself out for a DVD player has to say. Things like the football pickem are much better...it reminds people to stop by, but it doesn't encourage them to post "would you hit it" posts...

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 08:06 PM
and BTW, Sabbi, will you harass him back if you won't get 5 cents per harasment?
;-))))
No, thats fine. I will just pretend he does not exist.

I think I only prevoked him once though, and that was when I laughed at the okdude.com site. But that was your fault for being so funny.

I havent responded to any of his shit he says about me on Netpond, I just put him on ignore.


Sabby:)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Apr 3 2004, 08:53 PM
Quality will win over.
The occasional prize and contest is fine and all, but paying to post? It has never motivated me to post anywhere in particular.
I think I actually started this pay for post shit when i had Netpond.

But I at least kept it a secret ;-))))

But then I also had insta-shill too....now that was fun.Arguing with yourself ;-)))

Explaining these tricks back in the day to some of the innocent officials was fun too.

Especially the................

naw , I'll leave those for the book ;-)))

[JR]

its all about marketing, value and percieved value

if i would have asked anyone here 30 years ago... "do you think 100's of companies could compete nation-wide selling bottled water and succeed" each of you would have said no.

everything is possible. no one can cause you to fail in the end but you.

JMHO

[RawAlex]

Mike, at the end of it all, if the content of the discussions is "compelling" to people, you will have a crowd. Playing games by cross linking threads, jacking people in circles, and attempting to drag people over from other boards just makes Oprano like every other board. More importantly, you usually end up dragging over the most useless posters... so why bother?

Your sponsors aren't getting value from board monkeys posting "nice babe [pic]" threads... and the rest of us don't get much joy. If I want that type of BS, I go on over to GFY and lower my IQ by 80 points so I fit in.

Make Oprano the flavor you want, not the flavor of the month.

Alex

[cj]

Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 3 2004, 08:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 3 2004, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 08:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:53 PM
P.S., but if you REALLY piss me off, I'll call you STEPHEN
;-))))
Just like my womens.
do I need an English lesson???

what is "womens"?
genx terminology for the plural form of woman.

and YES you do need an english lesson. :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
as a representative of genX, I must disagree ...

'womens' is a trailer park term ...

all of a sudden it make sense that you get so many 'womens' with that camaro :rolleyes:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by cj+Apr 4 2004, 12:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Apr 4 2004, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by -pushpills@Apr 3 2004, 08:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 04:53 PM
P.S., but if you REALLY piss me off, I'll call you STEPHEN
;-))))
Just like my womens.
do I need an English lesson???

what is "womens"?
genx terminology for the plural form of woman.

and YES you do need an english lesson. :okthumb:
as a representative of genX, I must disagree ...

'womens' is a trailer park term ...

all of a sudden it make sense that you get so many 'womens' with that camaro :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
You may very well be right about the quality of the contents of the Camaro, CJ, but I have heard a lot of "yutes" use the term.

Like much of their culture here in America, however ... the first and most frequent place I've ever heard the term was used by the same sort of folks prone to talk about mybabydaddy, mybabymomma, and (yes, I really did hear this on public transportation back about 6-7 years ago) "I donts want no training, I donts want no job - I WANT MY GODDAMN TITLEMENTS!"

[Hell Puppy]

Strangely, young middle class white boys look to the ghetto to see how to look, talk and act cool in America.

I blame absentee parentism....

[pushpills]

It's not a term I use everyday, but some examples would be

"Gonna have a few of my womens over tomorrow afternoon, so you might wanna stop by."

or

"I know how to treat MY womens..."


I do know what is STUPID though, and keep away from riddiculious "shizzy", "nizzy", "izzle", and combinations of other words and the above said.

[cj]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 03:03 AM
I do know what is STUPID though
is that so?!

:biglaugh:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Meni@Apr 3 2004, 11:44 PM
This board lacks people
Meni,
I disagree,
it has PEOPLE, it's missing most of the MORONS,
and I can live with that
;-)))

what you call "people", I wouldn't be caught together in real life.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Apr 3 2004, 11:55 PM


With that said, I would truly hate to see Oprano start bribing for participation.
won't happen, this I can assure you.

I HATE noise
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Sabby@Apr 4 2004, 12:03 AM

No, thats fine. I will just pretend he does not exist.

I think I only prevoked him once though, and that was when I laughed at the okdude.com site. But that was your fault for being so funny.

I havent responded to any of his shit he says about me on Netpond, I just put him on ignore.


Sabby:)
worked for me
;-)))

how are you doing, BTW?

working your ass off, figurelly and literally?
;-))

any chance of ass implants?

You know I like 'em big
;-) and now Brazil is front runner on the subject
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Apr 4 2004, 12:25 AM
no one can cause you to fail in the end but you.

JMHO
"you" can get tired and bored....it happens
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 4 2004, 12:28 AM
Mike, at the end of it all, if the content of the discussions is "compelling" to people, you will have a crowd. Playing games by cross linking threads, jacking people in circles, and attempting to drag people over from other boards just makes Oprano like every other board. More importantly, you usually end up dragging over the most useless posters... so why bother?

Your sponsors aren't getting value from board monkeys posting "nice babe [pic]" threads... and the rest of us don't get much joy. If I want that type of BS, I go on over to GFY and lower my IQ by 80 points so I fit in.

Make Oprano the flavor you want, not the flavor of the month.

Alex
Alex,
this post should be addressed to me, not Mike, at least the first part.

true to the extent, wrong to the extent....if nobody posted links to other boards on the boards, we'd still be residing on YNOT
;-))))

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 08:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--TheEnforcer@Apr 3 2004, 08:06 PM
A couple questions for you to consider. Answer them and you have your answer.

1) Do you and Serge still enjoy having the board?

2) Are your advertisers happy with the results they get from the board?

3) Is the board still profitable?

If yes to all 3 you have your answer for sure. If not your answer could be anywhere from a minor tweak to the board to saying fuck it and closing it down.
I'll answer you IN DEPTH after the Calligula[/b][/quote]
Looking forward to that!!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Apr 4 2004, 09:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Apr 4 2004, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 08:08 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--TheEnforcer@Apr 3 2004, 08:06 PM
A couple questions for you to consider. Answer them and you have your answer.

1) Do you and Serge still enjoy having the board?

2) Are your advertisers happy with the results they get from the board?

3) Is the board still profitable?

If yes to all 3 you have your answer for sure. If not your answer could be anywhere from a minor tweak to the board to saying fuck it and closing it down.
I'll answer you IN DEPTH after the Calligula
Looking forward to that!![/b][/quote]
I was waiting for you,
I didn't weanna have it burried.

1) yes and no...I enjoy talking with friends, busting balls with adversaries,
but the part of the job involving pissing with OBM (Other Boards Morons) has weared me off.

2) some are, some are NOT. Bishops swears by it,
Ken Lawson was saying it wasn't worth to him and GFY is the only place he advertises, so it works for some but not for others.

3) of course board is profitable, but I have no idea how me dropping going to other boards and hearding morons here for page views will affect the sponsor satisfaction. Our fixed costs of running Oprano are $400 a month,
it's HARD to make it a loser
;-)))

I see no reasons to close it down,
even if I have to pay $400 a month to chat with people I enjoy chating in the place where no fuckers edits, bans and do other unspeakable thiungs to me
;_)))
I've been outside, I value the company HERE
;-)))

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 4 2004, 05:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 4 2004, 05:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Sabby@Apr 4 2004, 12:03 AM

No, thats fine. I will just pretend he does not exist.

I think I only prevoked him once though, and that was when I laughed at the okdude.com site. But that was your fault for being so funny.

I havent responded to any of his shit he says about me on Netpond, I just put him on ignore.


Sabby:)
worked for me
;-)))

how are you doing, BTW?

working your ass off, figurelly and literally?
;-))

any chance of ass implants?

You know I like 'em big
;-) and now Brazil is front runner on the subject
;-)))[/b][/quote]
I am doing well, thanks for asking :)

Been feeling a little burned out lately though, so next week I am going to take a little vacation and go visit my parents. Spending a little time at my step-father's cattle farm will do me a world of good and mom will fatten up my ass for you, hehe.


Sabby:)