The State of The Board Business today

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Being on vacation/meets with collegues,
always clears up my head and gives me more clear perspective.

Watching evolution of the boards from the day ONE to what we have today,
just saddens my heart.

"In the beggining", the boards were the front runner of the all new ideas,
meeting place of people with brains who shapped this industry,
the torch of innovation and....
today to make it commercially,
one needs cazzilions of MORONS doing TGP submissions,
packaging them good and catering to the lowest denominator.

I am one of the oldest here and...I REFUSE to adopt. There is not enough money printed for me to dumb myself to their level of
"would you hit it"?, "what is your favorite song"? "what is your favorite coffee", "pay per poststing drivel", "give priozes for posting drivel", etc, etc, etc....I just CAN'T, I know my limitations...

Therefore....I am ready to throw the towel.
I don't wanna go to other boards and drive MORONS here for page views,
I don't wanna THINK about "adopting",
and I'd rather let the commercial side(sponsors) go for the sake of my mind and ability to chat with a few friends, "compadres" and intellectually equals.

what are your thoughts, FRIENDS?

shoot from the hip,
you know I respect your opinions and always glad to hear your thoughts on the IMPORTANT subjects...at least what I call IMPORTANT.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 09:53 AM
Being on vacation/meets with collegues,
always clears up my head and gives me more clear perspective.

Watching evolution of the boards from the day ONE to what we have today,
just saddens my heart.

"In the beggining", the boards were the front runner of the all new ideas,
meeting place of people with brains who shapped this industry,
the torch of innovation and....
today to make it commercially,
one needs cazzilions of MORONS doing TGP submissions,
packaging them good and catering to the lowest denominator.

I am one of the oldest here and...I REFUSE to adopt. There is not enough money printed for me to dumb myself to their level of
"would you hit it"?, "what is your favorite song"? "what is your favorite coffee", "pay per poststing drivel", "give priozes for posting drivel", etc, etc, etc....I just CAN'T, I know my limitations...

Therefore....I am ready to throw the towel.
I don't wanna go to other boards and drive MORONS here for page views,
I don't wanna THINK about "adopting",
and I'd rather let the commercial side(sponsors) go for the sake of my mind and ability to chat with a few friends, "compadres" and intellectually equals.

what are your thoughts, FRIENDS?

shoot from the hip,
you know I respect your opinions and always glad to hear your thoughts on the IMPORTANT subjects...at least what I call IMPORTANT.
Is this for real or another I am leaving post to drive more traffic?
And I don't mean that to be argumentative.

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for real,
you ain't my firend,
but I'd like to hear your take nevertheless.

You are one of the "villans" who makes me go limp on the boards business today, even though not the worst one,
you are easy to ignore and when you are not in your delusion of grandeur mood, you can be quite entertaining...I wish it was MORE than 5% of your posts, though.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:01 AM
for real,
you ain't my firend,
but I'd like to hear your take nevertheless.

You are one of the "villans" who makes me go limp on the boards business today, even though not the worst one,
you are easy to ignore and when you are not in your delusion of grandeur mood, you can be quite entertaining...I wish it was MORE than 5% of your posts, though.
If you guys were more interesting, it would be more than 5%. And maybe if you listened a little more closely you would understand that a lot of this business makes me go limp. Personally, I think these boards can be entertaining but are primarily commercial ventures pitching to traffic rats. That can't last. I despair sometimes.
However, your board is not the worst for that.
BTW, I have no prententions at grandeur. I have no idea why you would say that. You might point out a delusion and I will gladly fold my tent if it is. No one has yet been able to point any out. You guys just keep saying it over and over again hoping it will make it fact.
The world doesn't work that way Serge.

[Frank]

Hey Serge, why don't you retire from thiz biz and open up a Signs shop or something then? ... ; )

[Nickatilynx]

Serge,

I understand your pain.

Hence when Meat and Aga offered me the best part of 500k to go away at netpond , I went away ;-)))

But now look at me.I post here (I think I'm top 10 poster) for free.For fun.And yes I sure as hell do make money posting here.

What would we all do with our time.

I too have no interest in posting in a would you hit it thread nor on weasels board and For me YNOT is too nice.

There is a place for this board as an "old school" board.

And boards are cyclical , it will always make some money.

Maybe ban some idiots though. ;-))

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 3 2004, 01:26 PM
Serge,

I understand your pain.

Hence when Meat and Aga offered me the best part of 500k to go away at netpond , I went away ;-)))

But now look at me.I post here (I think I'm top 10 poster) for free.For fun.And yes I sure as hell do make money posting here.

What would we all do with our time.

I too have no interest in posting in a would you hit it thread nor on weasels board and For me YNOT is too nice.

There is a place for this board as an "old school" board.

And boards are cyclical , it will always make some money.

Maybe ban some idiots though. ;-))
:huh: I'll try to be nicer ...

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Originally posted by Frank@Apr 3 2004, 01:11 PM
Hey Serge, why don't you retire from thiz biz and open up a Signs shop or something then? ... ; )
I said I was sad, not completelly out of my mind
;_)))

[Monk]

back to a non-threaded board???

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 3 2004, 01:26 PM


Maybe ban some idiots though. ;-))
you beter beleive it,
they don't belong on the non commercial board.

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Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 01:40 PM
back to a non-threaded board???
and what be the benefits of that?

Aristotel used parchment, not the PC, and he is still Aristotel.

I don't think it's a format problem

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Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Apr 3 2004, 01:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Apr 3 2004, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Apr 3 2004, 01:26 PM
Serge,

I understand your pain.

Hence when Meat and Aga offered me the best part of 500k to go away at netpond , I went away ;-)))

But now look at me.I post here (I think I'm top 10 poster) for free.For fun.And yes I sure as hell do make money posting here.

What would we all do with our time.

I too have no interest in posting in a would you hit it thread nor on weasels board and For me YNOT is too nice.

There is a place for this board as an "old school" board.

And boards are cyclical , it will always make some money.

Maybe ban some idiots though. ;-))
:huh: I'll try to be nicer ...[/b][/quote]
don't change one bit
;-)))

[Monk]

non-threaded boards always seemed more homey to me... people get involved in a lot more of what is being discussed instead of seeing a page with 10 topics and maybe opening one of them that looks interesting.

[Vick]

Serge, the nature of the business has changed
Some of the brightest and best minds may have left for greener/other pastures


Looking at innovations, if I find something successful I'm not likely to share it the way we did 5-7 years ago (even though it will come out in the wash)


It's a tougher business and when I find something that works I keep a tight lid on it


To some degree boards are now like a water cooler in an office
Some chat, maybe a little shop talk, contacts (and reputations) made


1997 it ain't - it's a different beast


All in all Oprano probably offers it's advertisers the best value as the brightest minds tend to come here (that's not a knock on other boards)


Part of the reason I read/post here is at most other boards I'm in the top 5% intelligence wise, here I don't even make the top 20% intelligence wise
I'd rather be at the deep end of the pool being a little fish in a big ocean (instead of a big fish in a little pond)


Sorry for the rambling - I need another espresso before coherent thoughts set it


I guess my final question is Serge - what can YOU do to raise the bar a little more
After all it's your board


Edit for spelling



Last edited by Vick at Apr 3 2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 01:08 PM

If you guys were more interesting, it would be more than 5%.
more interesting in what sense?

drop your porcupine shields for a second and define what si interesting for YOU?

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Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 01:48 PM
non-threaded boards always seemed more homey to me... people get involved in a lot more of what is being discussed instead of seeing a page with 10 topics and maybe opening one of them that looks interesting.
Monk,
people DO have different interests and I was skipping posts on non-threaded before..

I like the ability of threaded to skip thru footbal topics which are boring to me, and they are interesting to 75% of others

[TeenGodFather]

I think I should go back to GFY. You people are too smart for me.
Besides when I launch my program you guys aren't intrested in free hosted galleries. hehehe.. :)

[Nickatilynx]

I remember Dean telling me ages ago with Netpond that all the boards preached to the same people , and that there a re thousands of webmasters out there that have no idea they exist.

Spam every webmaster with mail , take the heat. (Will certainly bring a lot of views during the spamming piss it will cause)

Get bullet proof hosting first ;-))

Then you and MikeAI have a full fledged piss war , rude poems help ;-))

or you could just.......

Undercut everyone.

Do some underhanded deals.

Go to people houses enjoy there hospitality all the time planning how to fuck them over

ahhh....all those have been done before ;-))))

There is nothing new anymore is there????

Well , except the latest "new thing" which loads of mailers etc have been talking to me about , is sending traffic doing ok.

Then getting prepays and watching conversions go from 1 in 200-500 to 1 in 5000 -10,000 but this is a piss for another day ;-)))

Easier these days and more profitable to send traffic to non-adult.....maybe a big non-adult board?

hmmm you could always..

Spam every NON- ADULT webmaster with mail , take the heat. (Will certainly bring a lot of views during the spamming piss it will cause)

Get bullet proof hosting first ;-))

.....................................


;-)))

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Originally posted by Vick@Apr 3 2004, 01:48 PM
I guess my final question is Serge - what can YOU do to raise the bar a little more
After all it's your board



I HONESTLY don't know...
I answered cazzilions of questions over the years...and I hoped I could ask one and get an answer.

Where I sit today,
I'd rather have the place where I can talk with friends, piss with friends,
and worry not about anything else, like sponsors well being.

Good people are hard to find..and I know the rest of this saying
;-)))

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Apr 3 2004, 01:52 PM
I think I should go back to GFY. You people are too smart for me.
Besides when I launch my program you guys aren't intrested in free hosted galleries. hehehe.. :)
do you need an URL?
It's a free country, last time I checked and you can do what you wish.

You won't find my links to Oprano there no more.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 10:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 01:08 PM

If you guys were more interesting, it would be more than 5%.
more interesting in what sense?

drop your porcupine shields for a second and define what si interesting for YOU?[/b][/quote]
Interesting is raucus politics. Well thought out arguments. Useful advice. Travel stories.
Boring is thinly disguised sales pitches. Threads created for same. Carrots dangled by those whose interests are served to those who will enrich them. Transparent bullshit and lies.

It is your board and like any other businessman, do what you like. But if you are asking.....

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 10:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--TeenGodFather@Apr 3 2004, 01:52 PM
I think I should go back to GFY. You people are too smart for me.
Besides when I launch my program you guys aren't intrested in free hosted galleries. hehehe.. :)
do you need an URL?
[/b][/quote]
Yes please. It's been 6 months since I last posted there. I'm slightly afraid. :rolleyes:

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Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.

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Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 01:57 PM

Interesting is raucus politics. Well thought out arguments. Useful advice. Travel stories.
Boring is thinly disguised sales pitches. Threads created for same. Carrots dangled by those whose interests are served to those who will enrich them. Transparent bullshit and lies.

It is your board and like any other businessman, do what you like. But if you are asking.....
re: travel stories...

NOBODY has more of them than Meat,
he can go for days without repeating himself
;-))

http://netpond.com is his URL and the adventures he had been into-
all of us combined can't stand against him
;-))

as for carrots...I am sick and tired of hanging them....it's too easy,
no much stimuli there
;-(((

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 AM
Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.
Why don't you just open a board where you and your friends can hang out, bullshit, play poker, smoke cigars, drink vodka and no one makes a penny? Password protect it and only let those guys you like in the front door. Shut this one down and enjoy life.

[masterp74]

Serge, you have so much knowledge in this industry and you have so much to give. I don't know what you want in your life right now. If you do have Millions of dollars, then you shouldn't waste your time on all this. you don't have to.

You should do a radio show and start interviewing the main players and ask the questions no one has the balls to ask. give these TGP and broke webmasters(Like Me) something to look forward to everyday. Give them hope. Show them what you know. get back to basics and help this sagging industry. you can clean up this industry.

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Apr 3 2004, 01:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Apr 3 2004, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--TeenGodFather@Apr 3 2004, 01:52 PM
I think I should go back to GFY. You people are too smart for me.
Besides when I launch my program you guys aren't intrested in free hosted galleries. hehehe.. :)
do you need an URL?

Yes please. It's been 6 months since I last posted there. I'm slightly afraid. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
GFY oldtimers (pun intended, even though it's a true term)
are all gone,
replaced by "generation 90-IQ")

you might not recognise the place, but I'll be interested to hear how you find the place changed now...

don't forget to come back and share your excurs in the past
;-)))

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Originally posted by theduderocks+Apr 3 2004, 02:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (theduderocks @ Apr 3 2004, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 AM
Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.
Why don't you just open a board where you and your friends can hang out, bullshit, play poker, smoke cigars, drink vodka and no one makes a penny? Password protect it and only let those guys you like in the front door. Shut this one down and enjoy life.[/b][/quote]
if MikeAI says:
GO FOR IT,
I'll do it in a heart beat,
Webfather did that about 2 years ago and I am envious.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 01:57 PM

Interesting is raucus politics. Well thought out arguments. Useful advice. Travel stories.
Boring is thinly disguised sales pitches. Threads created for same. Carrots dangled by those whose interests are served to those who will enrich them. Transparent bullshit and lies.

It is your board and like any other businessman, do what you like. But if you are asking.....
re: travel stories...

NOBODY has more of them than Meat,
he can go for days without repeating himself
;-))

http://netpond.com is his URL and the adventures he had been into-
all of us combined can't stand against him
;-))

as for carrots...I am sick and tired of hanging them....it's too easy,
no much stimuli there
;-((([/b][/quote]
Yeah, but your subtle carrots are way too obvious. Mike is worse. Again...if you are asking.
I remember when I was a kid and these guys tried to recruit us to sell mag. subscriptions. Passing out free cigarettes, driving flash cars, blah blah blah. I knew right away you can't make any money falling for that shit. You gotta be passing out the"free" smokes and driving the flash car and everyone else is another brick in the wall. The boards are full of bricks.
I have never made a nickel posting on a board. It is not my business. I don't do what you guys do, so there is no financial imperative involved. In fact I glad I never knew about boards when I first started. It would have cost me a lot of money.

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Originally posted by masterp74@Apr 3 2004, 02:03 PM
Serge, you have so much knowledge in this industry and you have so much to give. I don't know what you want in your life right now. If you do have Millions of dollars, then you shouldn't waste your time on all this. you don't have to.

You should do a radio show and start interviewing the main players and ask the questions no one has the balls to ask. give these TGP and broke webmasters(Like Me) something to look forward to everyday. Give them hope. Show them what you know. get back to basics and help this sagging industry. you can clean up this industry.
Pat,
1) I don't know shit....as I found out in London,
the industry changed so much, that ALL my knowledge of it is practically absolete. I can't give traffic, I can't give content/innovation adice and the ONLY advice I can give:
People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears.

2) as for asking the questions nobody has the balls to ask,
guess what:
my head is NOT bullet proof. I'd rather NOT know....

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by theduderocks+Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (theduderocks @ Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 AM
Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.
Why don't you just open a board where you and your friends can hang out, bullshit, play poker, smoke cigars, drink vodka and no one makes a penny? Password protect it and only let those guys you like in the front door. Shut this one down and enjoy life.[/b][/quote]
Springerdude,

Thats actually a good idea , with one exception....

We always make money , always , some how :)

[theduderocks]

"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.

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Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:08 PM
In fact I glad I never knew about boards when I first started. It would have cost me a lot of money.
I dunno...I owe EVERYTHING I made to the baords...ALL my affiliates came from YNOT and Netpond back in a day...at ZERO cost, I never spent a dime on buying ads
;-)))

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Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:13 PM
"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.
you were wrong...you didn't know and still don't know, where the "sippage" goes.

but...I don't wanna go there.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 3 2004, 11:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 3 2004, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 AM
Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.
Why don't you just open a board where you and your friends can hang out, bullshit, play poker, smoke cigars, drink vodka and no one makes a penny? Password protect it and only let those guys you like in the front door. Shut this one down and enjoy life.
Springerdude,

Thats actually a good idea , with one exception....

We always make money , always , some how :)[/b][/quote]
You know, that might be the difference between you and I Nick. Money was never my primary motivation and I made lots of it. Nothing wrong with making money, but if that is the only mark of your success, then someday you are going to be sitting on your rocking chair after having paid for your kids Phd and wonder what you missed. But that is personal choice.

[Nickatilynx]

only 30%!!!

and THEN after that you get fucked again....its amazing.

We are dinosaurs :)

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 11:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:13 PM
"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.
you were wrong...you didn't know and still don't know, where the "sippage" goes.

but...I don't wanna go there.[/b][/quote]
Please read again. I don't care where it goes. I just always knew it was going. The traffic business if full of crooks and theives. I understand Sarettah's dilemma.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by theduderocks+Apr 3 2004, 11:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (theduderocks @ Apr 3 2004, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Apr 3 2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 AM
Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.
Why don't you just open a board where you and your friends can hang out, bullshit, play poker, smoke cigars, drink vodka and no one makes a penny? Password protect it and only let those guys you like in the front door. Shut this one down and enjoy life.
Springerdude,

Thats actually a good idea , with one exception....

We always make money , always , some how :)
You know, that might be the difference between you and I Nick. Money was never my primary motivation and I made lots of it. Nothing wrong with making money, but if that is the only mark of your success, then someday you are going to be sitting on your rocking chair after having paid for your kids Phd and wonder what you missed. But that is personal choice.[/b][/quote]
Take your meds and reread. ;-)))

I did not say money was my prime motivation.

But from reading your erroneous leap having read my post , I can conclude you are more concerned about it ,than I , probably as a result of a lack thereof.

;-))

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 3 2004, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 3 2004, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Apr 3 2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 11:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 AM
Nick, from business perspective, you have a good idea,
but from the soul....
naaaahhhhh.....too much work and time to spend on it.
Why don't you just open a board where you and your friends can hang out, bullshit, play poker, smoke cigars, drink vodka and no one makes a penny? Password protect it and only let those guys you like in the front door. Shut this one down and enjoy life.
Springerdude,

Thats actually a good idea , with one exception....

We always make money , always , some how :)
You know, that might be the difference between you and I Nick. Money was never my primary motivation and I made lots of it. Nothing wrong with making money, but if that is the only mark of your success, then someday you are going to be sitting on your rocking chair after having paid for your kids Phd and wonder what you missed. But that is personal choice.
Take your meds and reread. ;-)))

I did not say money was my prime motivation.

But from reading your erroneous leap having read my post , I can conclude you are more concerned about it ,than I , probably as a result of a lack thereof.

;-))[/b][/quote]
Aw come on Nicky Baby. No more med jokes. See my above postings. You need to be creative or have your fingers crazy glued to the keyboard until you do.
Oh and btw, you are so wrong, grasshopper.

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 3 2004, 02:21 PM

Take your meds and reread. ;-)))

I did not say money was my prime motivation.

But from reading your erroneous leap having read my post , I can conclude you are more concerned about it ,than I , probably as a result of a lack thereof.

;-))
dude, stay with Nick, he KNOWS what he is talking about.
I only got interest in Money in...May of 1999, after I bought the house in Florida

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by theduderocks+Apr 3 2004, 02:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (theduderocks @ Apr 3 2004, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 11:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:13 PM
"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.
you were wrong...you didn't know and still don't know, where the "sippage" goes.

but...I don't wanna go there.
Please read again. I don't care where it goes. I just always knew it was going. The traffic business if full of crooks and theives. I understand Sarettah's dilemma.[/b][/quote]
You have no clue what he's talking about...nor do most, unfortunately...

Some day one of us is gonna be Charlton Heston screaming at the broken statue of Lady Internet and cursing the war that finally ended it all...

But it ain't gonna be me....fuck it, I'm with Serge....no amount of money is worth it..

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:26 PM

Aw come on Nicky Baby. No more med jokes. See my above postings. You need to be creative or have your fingers crazy glued to the keyboard until you do.
Oh and btw, you are so wrong, grasshopper.
hey, no more babies, meds, grasshoppers,
can you talk like a fucking adults and beat each other on matters and not insults?

c'mon, guys, you can do it.

and dude, open up your ears a bit, you are not talking with GFYers in thsi thread, give Nick some credit

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Apr 3 2004, 02:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Apr 3 2004, 02:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 11:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:13 PM
"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.
you were wrong...you didn't know and still don't know, where the "sippage" goes.

but...I don't wanna go there.
Please read again. I don't care where it goes. I just always knew it was going. The traffic business if full of crooks and theives. I understand Sarettah's dilemma.
You have no clue what he's talking about...nor do most, unfortunately...

Some day one of us is gonna be Charlton Heston screaming at the broken statue of Lady Internet and cursing the war that finally ended it all...

But it ain't gonna be me....fuck it, I'm with Serge....no amount of money is worth it..[/b][/quote]
DJ, you go to Webfather's board...what do you think about passwd protected idea?

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Diamond Jim@Apr 3 2004, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 11:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:13 PM
"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.
you were wrong...you didn't know and still don't know, where the "sippage" goes.

but...I don't wanna go there.
Please read again. I don't care where it goes. I just always knew it was going. The traffic business if full of crooks and theives. I understand Sarettah's dilemma.
You have no clue what he's talking about...nor do most, unfortunately...

Some day one of us is gonna be Charlton Heston screaming at the broken statue of Lady Internet and cursing the war that finally ended it all...

But it ain't gonna be me....fuck it, I'm with Serge....no amount of money is worth it..
DJ, you go to Webfather's board...what do you think about passwd protected idea?[/b][/quote]
OK, Nick I am listening.

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Apr 3 2004, 11:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Apr 3 2004, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 11:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 02:13 PM
"People, you are being FUCKED royally, over 30% of your traffic is stolen by the people you never heard of will fall on the deaf ears."

I have been saying this or something quite like it for years and have gotten in a world of shit for it. I thought it was quite obvious.
you were wrong...you didn't know and still don't know, where the "sippage" goes.

but...I don't wanna go there.
Please read again. I don't care where it goes. I just always knew it was going. The traffic business if full of crooks and theives. I understand Sarettah's dilemma.
You have no clue what he's talking about...nor do most, unfortunately...

Some day one of us is gonna be Charlton Heston screaming at the broken statue of Lady Internet and cursing the war that finally ended it all...

But it ain't gonna be me....fuck it, I'm with Serge....no amount of money is worth it..[/b][/quote]
No offense intended here, but if we have no idea of what he is talking about, then perhaps Serge or you could enlighten us. Otherwise it is kind of obvious unless there is some sort of secret code and only you guys have the freekin decoder ring. It was written in pretty plain English.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 02:30 PM
DJ, you go to Webfather's board...what do you think about passwd protected idea?
It helps to cut down the roving idiot factor by about 99.99%...unfortunately, it seems to generate an abundance of like-minded thought; which is not so terrible a climate to do business in but I'm guessing would get rather mundane for a general chat board like Oprano. The Labret's of the world cannot flourish under such conditions, which lowers the entertainment value considerably. I don't see a need for password protection when it's so easy and quick to lock the morons out.

[RawAlex]

Serge, you can hear it if you listen closely. It's the sound of the theme song music coming up, seconds before the closing credits run up the screen. Boards, the adult business as we all knew it, the whole thing is going away as fast as the words can flow up the screen.

What has happened is that this has evolved into a mature business. There is little in the way of evolution or "new ideas" at this point because most paths have been tried and exploited to their very limits. Look at webmaster boards, we went from 1 to 2 to 3 to hundreds. Out of those hundreds, few are worth the effort to even bookmark.

It's been played out pretty hard.

As a purely social exercise, the boards are fine. Oprano is one of the best "no business business boards" around, where some of the smartest people in our industry come together and discuss all manner of things. I don't see where this creates value for sponsors, and I rarely see this creating a ton of new business, but it does work after a fashion.

Figuring the time you spend driving traffic here, do you really make any money that is worth it? Is it just an ego thing, proof that you can? Sometimes even leading the mice to the cheese gets dull, pointless.

Do what you think is right. Look at it as a business, and honestly consider if you want to be in business. If not, find the ways that you can have fun with your fun...

Alex

[Vick]

..... and the days of vanity
Went on forever
And he saw his days burn up
Like paper in fire

Paper in fire
Stinkin´ up the ashtrays
Paper in fire
Smokin´ up the alleyways

Who's to say the way
A man should spend his days
Do you let them smolder
Like paper in fire

There´s a good life
Right across the green fields
And each generation
Stares at it from afar

But we keep no check
On our appetites
So the green fields turn to brown
Like paper in fire

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 3 2004, 02:49 PM
Serge, you can hear it if you listen closely. It's the sound of the theme song music coming up, seconds before the closing credits run up the screen. Boards, the adult business as we all knew it, the whole thing is going away as fast as the words can flow up the screen.

What has happened is that this has evolved into a mature business. There is little in the way of evolution or "new ideas" at this point because most paths have been tried and exploited to their very limits. Look at webmaster boards, we went from 1 to 2 to 3 to hundreds. Out of those hundreds, few are worth the effort to even bookmark.

It's been played out pretty hard.

As a purely social exercise, the boards are fine. Oprano is one of the best "no business business boards" around, where some of the smartest people in our industry come together and discuss all manner of things. I don't see where this creates value for sponsors, and I rarely see this creating a ton of new business, but it does work after a fashion.

Figuring the time you spend driving traffic here, do you really make any money that is worth it? Is it just an ego thing, proof that you can? Sometimes even leading the mice to the cheese gets dull, pointless.

Do what you think is right. Look at it as a business, and honestly consider if you want to be in business. If not, find the ways that you can have fun with your fun...

Alex
Alex, keen observations, indeed.

to answer your question,
YES, Oprano did make over $2 mils in almost 3 years (in July)

I don't see where I'd be able to make so much doing so little in the definitions of "real work" and enjoying myself tremendously.

It still gets a tad shy of $20,000 a month,
we are not talking dead corpse here.

If money were my only object,
I wouldn't be starting this thread today and keep banging sponsors ad naseum like everybody else.
but...as I always said of late,
you can't take money with you, ONLY memories and the water from the toilet doesn't taste the same as Pelligrino, even though, BOTH waters quench the thirst.

I'm sure you getting my point.

[Buff]

Were this my board and were I facing the problems you describe, I would try to drop those aspects of the board which attract the vulgar masses and add new features which would continue to cater to the bright people whose company you enjoy.

Perhaps add some news feeds to the main page. Customizable weather. Maybe even turn the whole board into a Board/Portal. Add some stuff that no one else has -- put the national debt clock in the corner. Rotate some random "facts" into the front page -- have them change with every refresh. For instance, it might read "Did you know that right now there are [x] number of employees at the IRS." or "The average worker works until May [20th] of each year just to pay his taxes."

I have a lot of ideas of what you might add to draw intelligent eyeballs, but I am heading to the Quarter with Crystal to go enjoy the beautiful weather right now.

Love,
Buff

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 12:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Apr 3 2004, 02:49 PM
Serge, you can hear it if you listen closely. It's the sound of the theme song music coming up, seconds before the closing credits run up the screen. Boards, the adult business as we all knew it, the whole thing is going away as fast as the words can flow up the screen.

What has happened is that this has evolved into a mature business. There is little in the way of evolution or "new ideas" at this point because most paths have been tried and exploited to their very limits. Look at webmaster boards, we went from 1 to 2 to 3 to hundreds. Out of those hundreds, few are worth the effort to even bookmark.

It's been played out pretty hard.

As a purely social exercise, the boards are fine. Oprano is one of the best "no business business boards" around, where some of the smartest people in our industry come together and discuss all manner of things. I don't see where this creates value for sponsors, and I rarely see this creating a ton of new business, but it does work after a fashion.

Figuring the time you spend driving traffic here, do you really make any money that is worth it? Is it just an ego thing, proof that you can? Sometimes even leading the mice to the cheese gets dull, pointless.

Do what you think is right. Look at it as a business, and honestly consider if you want to be in business. If not, find the ways that you can have fun with your fun...

Alex
Alex, keen observations, indeed.

to answer your question,
YES, Oprano did make over $2 mils in almost 3 years (in July)

I don't see where I'd be able to make so much doing so little in the definitions of "real work" and enjoying myself tremendously.

It still gets a tad shy of $20,000 a month,
we are not talking dead corpse here.

If money were my only object,
I wouldn't be starting this thread today and keep banging sponsors ad naseum like everybody else.
but...as I always said of late,
you can't take money with you, ONLY memories and the water from the toilet doesn't taste the same as Pelligrino, even though, BOTH waters quench the thirst.

I'm sure you getting my point.[/b][/quote]
I am shocked. I always thought Oprano was more profitable.

[Vick]

The paper in fire above is more in reference to the adult internet on-line industry than to the message board business


But looking around.....

... many who were/are successful in the adult on line industry are doing many different things now (some mainstream internet, other ...), they carried some of the knowledge, eyeballs and people from adult into other ventures

I don't think the adult message board business is dead but agree with Serge, it needs a shot in the arm to make it worth doing

Hmmm what to do to "pump it up"

or is it time for different boards, different subjects
the spitz thing had challenges but I think that may have been due to the nature of spitz

Season must change, different paths, different ways

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 03:11 PM

I am shocked. I always thought Oprano was more profitable.
you are shocked because you just don't know what people make in the board business.

Boards , 99.99% are owned by people who looks at the boards as
1) tool to promote their own programs
2) collect ad revenues which is VERY small % of their income

as boards go,
Oprano is withing TOP 4 ALL TIME BOARD MONEY MAKERS,
behind by YNOT, Netpond, GFY,
who were all much longer in business than Oprano,
with GFY being the ONLY board with the same owner from the day one.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 3 2004, 03:13 PM

the spitz thing had challenges but I think that may have been due to the nature of spitz


time to swallow?
;-))))

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 03:11 PM

I am shocked. I always thought Oprano was more profitable.
you are shocked because you just don't know what people make in the board business.

Boards , 99.99% are owned by people who looks at the boards as
1) tool to promote their own programs
2) collect ad revenues which is VERY small % of their income

as boards go,
Oprano is withing TOP 4 ALL TIME BOARD MONEY MAKERS,
behind by YNOT, Netpond, GFY,
who were all much longer in business than Oprano,
with GFY being the ONLY board with the same owner from the day one.[/b][/quote]
Yes you are right. I had no idea. That was a very enlightening post. I have never used boards as promo tools because I have nothing to promote on a board. But it is interesting to see what is and get a little insight.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 03:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Apr 3 2004, 03:13 PM

the spitz thing had challenges but I think that may have been due to the nature of spitz


time to swallow?
;-))))[/b][/quote]
ha ha ha good one!

Serge am I reading this right

You are mentally hungry, needing stimuli

as opposed to being hungry for success or something else?

I'm trying to see the nature of the beast to get at possible solutions

Will chew on it a while and let you know if anything stirs

as I hope many others do as well

:redance:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 3 2004, 03:25 PM

ha ha ha good one!

Serge am I reading this right

You are mentally hungry, needing stimuli

as opposed to being hungry for success or something else?

I'm trying to see the nature of the beast to get at possible solutions

Will chew on it a while and let you know if anything stirs

as I hope many others do as well

:redance:
Vick, you read it right....making more money than NOOF in 1999,
quenched my thirst for success for the rest of my life.

one CAN have enough success, but for the live brains, stimuli is a MUST,
or brains dies.

This board is the ONLY place on earth I can share and be myself one hundred percent...the people from REAL world will NEVER understand it all,
you, my friends, do.

[Winetalk.com]

Vick, small illustration,
this what happens to the body with plenty of food and little mental stimuli:

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/213.jpg

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/214.jpg

[JR]

people are always predicting "the end"



Near future: Daniel Dl-Maio believes that UFOs have been visiting Earth for all of the history of the world. They are piloted by intelligent beings who once created the biosphere that we inhabit. He believes that there are forces on Earth that are trying to create the fiction that we will soon be invaded by aliens. All of humanity will then focus on preparing to repel such an attack. But, in reality, the "invasion" will be Jesus and his army returning to save the world. See: http://www.bibleufo.com

Near future: Tyndale House Publishers have created the "Left Behind Prophecy Club." In early 2004-JAN, they noted five events in the year 2003 that they feel are "compelling signs of the End Times" in our near future: Israel is constructing a 320 mile barrier to separate itself from Palestinian controlled land.
The removal of Saddam Hussein from power may result in the rebuilding of Babylon.
French President Jacques Chirac suggested that a "pioneer group" of nations within the European Union (EU) separate from the main EU group and progress towards a reunited Europe. This could be the ten kingdom prophesized in the book of Daniel.
By moving towards equal rights for everyone, they feel that the Episcopal Church (USA) is abandoning parts of the Bible. Apostasy was one of the defining characteristics of the end times, according to the Bible.
They feel that the election of Vladimir Putin and his party may lead to a rebuilding of Russia as a dominant player on the world scene, as is allegedly prophesied in Ezekiel. 29

Near future: The American Traditional Catholic Church predicts that "the three days of darkness" will envelop the earth shortly. As a warning sign, a cross will appear in the heavens so that all can see. The family and society will fall apart. "...the gates of Hell will be opened and satan and his demons shall be released and given authority to roam the earth without limitation. There will be complete darkness for three days. " It will be as if time has come to a stand still. The only source of light will be from candles blessed according to the traditional Rites of the Church Catholic." 23

Near future: AgapePress reported that Bishop Huey Harris of the First Pentecostal Tabernacle in Elkton, MD 73-year-old said: "What I'm seeing is the Scriptures being fulfilled right before our very eyes." AgapePress reports: "He says what he is looking for next is for the Church to be raptured, and then Jews receiving Christ as their Messiah."

1999 to 2009: Jerry Falwell predicted in 1999-JAN that Jesus could return within ten years. But before that can happen, he said that the Antichrist must appear. Referring to the Antichrist, Falwell said: "Is he alive and here today? Probably. Because when he appears during the Tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course he'll be Jewish. Of course he'll pretend to be Christ. And if in fact the Lord is coming soon, and he'll be an adult at the presentation of himself, he must be alive somewhere today." Rabbi James Rudin of the American Jewish Committee suggested that Christians should be careful about making such comments. His said that Falwell's statement "plays into some latent and historical anti-Semitism from the past." 2 Rev. Falwell later apologized for his comment.

21st century: Thomas Chase 11 predicts that when the world's population reaches 6.66 billion, the war of Armageddon may occur. In early 1999, it reached 6.0 billion.

2004: Michael Drosnin predicted in his book "The Bible Code II" that there will be terror attacks against New York City and/or Jerusalem. They will be bio-chemical or nuclear attacks. This will trigger World War III. Almost all human life will be eliminated. 28

2004-APR: In the fall of 2003, a Pastor Hawking was allegedly predicting on a Hawaiian cable channel that the start of the Tribulation would occur in 2004-APR. It will arrive without warning.

2004-APR-9: Victor Hopchenk, and Orthodox Christian, has prophesized that by God's "wish and compassion", an asteroid will hit Los Angeles, CA, which he describes as the "center of propaganda of debauch, lechery, violence and cruelty." The asteroid collision will exterminate all life there. God wants Hollywood to stop creating immoral and pornographic films. He has given 49 warnings in the past; this is the 50th and final warning.

2004-OCT-17: Clay Cantrell computes the date of the Rapture from size of Noah's Ark with particular attention to the precise location of the "escape window" in the top of the vessel.

Late 2004: Arnie Stanton noted on 1997-SEP-16 that that evening was the fourth Jewish festival since 1996-APR-3 on which a lunar eclipse occurred. 5 He quotes Luke 21:25-26 which mentions "signs in the sun, in the moon and in the stars and on the earth distress of nations" He believes that "these recent lunar eclipses are the last known astronomical signs that will precede a 7 year (360 day/year) countdown to Armageddon/Christ's return to the Earth." He expects that Christ's return will occur within a few months of 2004-SEP-29 when Asteroid Toutatis will make a very close approach to the Earth - perhaps even a collision!

2006: Annie Stanton predicts that a 14.4 mile long asteroid will collide with the earth. Jesus will arrive and a 1000 year period of peace starts.

2006: According to the Sunday Times in England, a religious group called "The Family" anticipates the end of the world in 2006. "Members are said to be stockpiling food and planning to hide in caves in India."

2006: According to the Weekly world News for 2001-FEB-13, hydrogen bombs hidden in London, Washington and Tel Aviv will be detonated. This will be the start of the war of Armageddon

2007: According to the Weekly world News for 2001-FEB-13, the rapture will occur on the 7th hour of the 7th day of the 7th month of the Hebrew calendar year that corresponds to 2007 CE. Jesus will appear simultaneously in Jerusalem, Baghdad, Washington, Moscow and in every other capital city of the world.

2008-MAR-21: After a lengthy calculation based on the Bible, a British group, The Lord's Witnesses, has concluded that the start of Armageddon will happen on this day. Three quarters of the world's population will die during the subsequent war. This will be preceded by the United Nations taking over complete rulership of the world in the lunar month preceding 2001-APR-24. This is exactly 666 Hebrew months after the founding of the United Nations in 1945. 22

2008-APR-6: Philip B. Brown incorrectly predicted that the Great Tribulation would start on 2001-APR-7, with the appearance of the the two witnesses described in Revelation. He also predicted that the start of Jesus' millennial reign would be on 2008-APR-6. 27

2009-AUG-29: John Dutchman claims to be an astronomer at the Mount Wilson Observatory. He allegedly believes that a small star is passing through the Oort Cloud, the area surrounding the solar system where comets originate. He says that the gravitational pull of the star is forcing at least a third of all of the comets into the sun -- over one million. He predicts that the earth will be hit by from one to many hundreds of comets, ranging in size from 100 meters to near 600 miles in diameter. He expects the collisions to happen on 2009-AUG-29.

1998 to-2012 Gordon-Michael Scallion predicts major catastrophic earth events: global warming, melting polar ice caps, earthquakes, volcanoes erupting, etc.

2012: Michael Drosnin, author of "The Bible Code," found a hidden message in the Pentateuch (the first five books in the Bible) that predicts that a comet will crash into the earth in 2012 and annihilate all life. As a minimum, I suspect that at least one species will survive: cockroaches.

2012: Kev Peacock predicts that the Sun's magnetic field will reverse, and induce a reversal of the Earth's field. This will cause massive geothermal and tectonic catastrophes. Something will happen to the mythical island of Atlantis.

2012-DEC-21: The Mayan calendar expressed a date in the form: 6.19.18.1.5 This means: 6 Baktun, an interval of 144,000 days,
19 Katun (generations) of 7200 days,
18 Tun (years) of 360 days,
1 Uinal (month) of 20 days,
5 Kin (days)

for a total of 1,007,305 days. J. Eric Thompson determined that the first day of their calendar (0.0.0.0.0) was on 3114-AUG-11 BCE according to the Gregorian calendar. 5 This was when they believed that Venus was born. Another source says that this happened on AUG-13 of the same year. Mayans also had a "Great Cycle of the Long Count" of 13 Baktuns or 5,125.36 years. Many interpreters believe that the Mayans expected that the universe would last exactly that length of time. That is, they anticipated the end of the world at the Winter Solstice. 2012-DEC-21 or 13.0.0.0.0 in their notation. 6 John Jenkins has determined that on this date, there will be "an extremely close conjunction of the winter solstice sun with the crossing point of Galactic Equator and the ecliptic." This is an event that will not be repeated for thousands of years. Author Carl Johan Calleman disagrees that the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world. He writes that "the Mayan calendar is about the progress of evolution, not about the end of the world." 25

2012-DEC-21: Terence McKenna predicts that at "the moment of the solstice and the heliacal rising of the galactic center, levels of planetary novelty will exponentially increase." The results of this "ultranovel event" are difficult to predict, but may include "Hyperspatial Breakthrough, Planetesimal Impact, Alien Contact, Historical Metamorphosis, Metamorphosis of Natural Law, Solar Explosion, Quasar Ignition at the Galactic Core." Some of these don't sound too healthy for life on earth. 17 I am personally hoping for the latter, because it would take may years for any effects of that ignition to impact earth -- long past my life expectancy.

2012-DEC-24: A visitor to our web site predicts that on this day, one third of the Ort cloud will rain down on the earth. The Ort cloud is a incredibly large collection of comets that encircle the solar system. Devastation would be total.

2014: According to Sun magazine for 1999-DEC-21, Pope Leo IX (1513-1522) wrote on 1514: "I will not see the end of the world, nor will you my brethren, for its time is long in the future, 500 years hence."

2016: An article in Weekly World News describes a find by a Professor Lloyd Cunningdale of Salt Lake City who was excavating with his students at the site of the famous Donner party disaster of 1847. The latter were a group of settlers bound for California who became trapped by snow in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Cunningdale and students have found a time capsule left by the settlers which contains many predictions for the future. They predict that nations will abandon traditional methods of conflict and resort to the use of biological warfare. In 2016, one such disease will spread and kill all of the humans on the planet. 7

2017: The "Sword of God Brotherhood" believes that Armageddon will occur in 2017. The Prophet Gabriel has told them this. Only their own members will survive to repopulate the world. All of the others (including you and me) will "perish in hellfire." 8

Before 2018: The web site "A Nightmare for Everyone and the Countdown to 2000," predicts that an asteroid and comet will hit the earth, sometime between the re-creation of Israel in 1948 and 2018. See: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8990/

2020s or 2030s: Bill Joy, co-founder and chief scientist of Sun Microsystems predicted the end of humanity in within 20 or 30 years, in an article in the 2000-APR issue of Wired Magazine. He wrote that leading-edge technologies such as robotics, genetic engineering and nano-tech may soon lead to the extinction of human society. 24

Before 2024: A web site titled "Fire from the sky: Meteors and Biblical Prophecy," predicts that a meteor (actually a meteorite) "could" hit the earth in the next 25 years. This would cause fireballs of debris, tidal waves, supher [sic] dioxide, a "red tide" in the oceans, and a dust cloud.

2028-OCT: Asteroid "1997 XF11" will approach close to earth. At first, scientists were concerned that there was a small probability that it might impact earth. However, data from 1990 has indicated that it will miss earth by about 600,000 miles. 21 Still, this is a near miss, as astronomical distances go.

About 2028: A visitor to this web site from Norway has analyzed biblical chronologies and determined to his satisfaction that "Jesus became Messiah [about the year 28 CE] exactly 4000 years after Creation." He believes that God created the world to last 6,000 years. Thus, the end of the world will happen about 2028.

Before 2038: Greenpeace predicts massive starvation due to population growth. Global warning will melt the polar ice caps and cause massive coastal flooding. Thousands of plant and animal species become extinct.

2038: The book "The Bible and the Future" predicts that "large percentage of the world's population will die in a series of severe punishments from God" at this time. See: http://www.alltheearth.com/future/summary.htm

2047-SEP-14: According to The Church of !BLAIR!, the human race will probably be terminated at 3:28 AM (Soho, England time). The church teaches, with tongue firmly in cheek, that if the human race does not discard their plastic conformity, then the Gods will withdraw their protection. The Gods don't want us to worship them; they don't want sacrifices or even offerings. They just want us to rid itself of our excessive "Normalcy". At that point, Astro-Lemurs (extra-terrestrials similar in shape to lemurs, but with rainbow colored bodies) will attack the entire human race and beat them to death with gigantic burritos. You have been warned. ;-)

2060: Sir Isaac Newton, Britain's greatest scientist, analyzed the Bible, which he believed contained God's secret laws of the universe. He concluded that the end of the world will happen in the year 2060. According to Malcolm Neaum, the producer of a TV documentary on Newton: "He spent something like 50 years and wrote 4,500 pages trying to predict when the end of the world was coming. But until now it was not known that he ever wrote down a final figure. He was very reluctant to do so." 26

2076: Bede the Venerable, an 8th century Christian theologian computed Jesus birth as 3,942 years after the world's creation. The 6,000 year millennial week will thus end in this year.

2076: Some Sufi sects expect the end of the world in this year, which is the year 1,500 in the Muslim calendar.

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stimulated minds:

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/194.jpg

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/191.jpg

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Apr 3 2004, 03:46 PM

2076: Some Sufi sects expect the end of the world in this year, which is the year 1,500 in the Muslim calendar.
THIS one worries me the MOST!

[JR]

for everyone else:

http://www.disinfotainmenttoday.com/turd-polish2.gif

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 01:48 PM
non-threaded boards always seemed more homey to me... people get involved in a lot more of what is being discussed instead of seeing a page with 10 topics and maybe opening one of them that looks interesting.
I don’t like non-threaded. I enjoy discussions and threads. Non-threaded boards, to me, seem like they invite all that dribble. I enjoy the ability to read discussions from certain people that intrigued me.

I came on to the whole webmaster board thing much later and Oprano was really the only board I ever spent time on. Even tho I opened my first site back in 1995 hen the whole affiliate/webmaster networking thing took off I was busy or just not interested. Quite honestly I’m still not. I see the advantages and disadvantages. I enjoy Oprano because I’ve met some cool people here and I truly enjoy the discussions. These days I’m heavily involved in a non-adult project and my sites do ok with very little work. Adult Internet is not my primarily focus and I doubt I’ll ever get back into it the way I had been in the past. Still, I enjoy coming here, reading and seeing what everyone is up to.

The industry is changing. Many of us seen it coming a long time ago. Even bigger changes are still yet to come.

Serge is this a mid-life thing? Kidding- I think you’ve moved into a place of balance and where you just don’t need all the nonsense. You’re settled, happy and in a great relationship with a wonderful woman. You’ve pretty much done everything in life you’ve set out to do. Now you just want to sit back, smile and hang out with friends. Makes perfect sense to me.

Dianna

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Apr 3 2004, 04:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Apr 3 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Monk@Apr 3 2004, 01:48 PM
non-threaded boards always seemed more homey to me... people get involved in a lot more of what is being discussed instead of seeing a page with 10 topics and maybe opening one of them that looks interesting.
I don’t like non-threaded. I enjoy discussions and threads. Non-threaded boards, to me, seem like they invite all that dribble. I enjoy the ability to read discussions from certain people that intrigued me.

I came on to the whole webmaster board thing much later and Oprano was really the only board I ever spent time on. Even tho I opened my first site back in 1995 hen the whole affiliate/webmaster networking thing took off I was busy or just not interested. Quite honestly I’m still not. I see the advantages and disadvantages. I enjoy Oprano because I’ve met some cool people here and I truly enjoy the discussions. These days I’m heavily involved in a non-adult project and my sites do ok with very little work. Adult Internet is not my primarily focus and I doubt I’ll ever get back into it the way I had been in the past. Still, I enjoy coming here, reading and seeing what everyone is up to.

The industry is changing. Many of us seen it coming a long time ago. Even bigger changes are still yet to come.

Serge is this a mid-life thing? Kidding- I think you’ve moved into a place of balance and where you just don’t need all the nonsense. You’re settled, happy and in a great relationship with a wonderful woman. You’ve pretty much done everything in life you’ve set out to do. Now you just want to sit back, smile and hang out with friends. Makes perfect sense to me.

Dianna[/b][/quote]
Dianna, after London,
I'll make sure the great woman is pregnant again!

I look cute with the babies!

Aga and his family showed me the way!
;-)))

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/148.jpg

[Hell Puppy]

Very similar subjects have been the topics of many dinner conversations among some of the Atlanta crew for the better part of the last month...

My take is that Oprano is, and always has been, the water cooler for the mature members of the industry. The demographics here include many people who go back to 97-98 and mostly users over 30, and many WELL over 30. The conversations reflect it.

I've said it before, a successful board is one that draws like minded individuals who want to have converations with each other together. In that regard, Oprano is an overwhelming success.

The trick is if you want to make a business of it, how do you make that work? As has been stated already, innovation isn't happening at such a rapid pace. And when the brightest minds do make a discovery, it is typically not in their best interest to share it now.

The big boys in the industry now roll out new stuff or turn big deals on average how often? Maybe once a quarter? Every 6 months prior to Internext? We might hear about a couple of big deals every quarter. Advertising has become more of an exercise in letting people know you're still around and have money to spend and thus can afford to pay your affiliates in many cases.

Love it or hate it, most of the business is being done by the TGP Monkeys in terms of quantity. They're not doing 5, 6 and 7 figure deals, but instead there's a lot of 3 and 4 figure deals and B2B action going on with people selling traffic, gallery spots, scripts, content, hosting, etc.

The point of entry both intellectually and monetarily in this industry is so low that until something major changes to thin the herd, the TGP hoards are going to represent the majority of the industry in terms of population. And unfortunately it is virtually impossible to have bulk traffic these days without doing a bit of TGP work. All of the other sources of traffic have all but dried up.

We've all had to learn how to deal with ALOT of water in our soups, stews and gumbos....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Apr 3 2004, 04:17 PM


The big boys in the industry now roll out new stuff or turn big deals on average how often?
and do you know why???

because even the BIG GUYS are shaved about 30%!
;-))))

..and there is not much they can do about it,
even Visa is a much smaller prasite than that.

[theduderocks]

I can't believe I am reading this. At first I thought it was just another SO wank post. But now I do believe he speaking from the heart. I am still not totally convinced but leaning that way. If it is the case that you are getting maudlin and broody you might consider the purchase of a nice porch swing and a new pair of slippers. Figuratively speaking of course.
I think I am very lucky because I had a long and satisfying career in the entertainment business before I did this so have no heights to climb (yes I really did meet all those people and many many more), just cruise, make money,travel and sleep in. So I am content with what I do.
As the internet becomes more universal, it is possible to do this job from anywhere in the world. I was updating my sites at very high speeds from Cambodia one of the poorest places in the world.
20 K a month is OK dough to raise a family, so why not just tread water and/or do something challenging if this bores you. Buy a new business and get a mini van for the new Oprano family soccer team.

[Dianna Vesta]

Serge you'd make an excellent father and you know I ain't kissing your ass. I've seen you change over the past year and paid close attention to your pictures.

Maybe you and LL should adopt but think about it carefully. personally I'm waiting for my son to have kids. I can enjoy them as if they were mine and give them back when I have other things to do. I'm not sure I could do all that again. The woman I've been seeing the past 9 months just moved in and she has two grand babies. They can come in the summer a few weeks and we'll all have a great time.

Or get another puppy. lol

You both look great BTW.

Hell Puppy, good post and very true. I also see some very big companies that were always in adult plunging forward. It almost looks like they purposely waited for the storm to pass before coming in and bringing that qaulity edge to the net.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 04:23 PM
I can't believe I am reading this. At first I thought it was just another SO wank post. But now I do believe he speaking from the heart. I am still not totally convinced but leaning that way. If it is the case that you are getting maudlin and broody you might consider the purchase of a nice porch swing and a new pair of slippers. Figuratively speaking of course.
I think I am very lucky because I had a long and satisfying career in the entertainment business before I did this so have no heights to climb (yes I really did meet all those people and many many more), just cruise, make money,travel and sleep in. So I am content with what I do.
As the internet becomes more universal, it is possible to do this job from anywhere in the world. I was updating my sites at very high speeds from Cambodia one of the poorest places in the world.
20 K a month is OK dough to raise a family, so why not just tread water and/or do something challenging if this bores you. Buy a new business and get a mini van for the new Oprano family soccer team.
why?
because:
1) the toilet water doesn't taste good even at 20k a month

2) where is the guarantee that the "next business" water will taste any different?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Apr 3 2004, 04:27 PM
Serge you'd make an excellent father and you know I ain't kissing your ass. I've seen you change over the past year and paid close attention to your pictures.

Maybe you and LL should adopt but think about it carefully. personally I'm waiting for my son to have kids. I can enjoy them as if they were mine and give them back when I have other things to do. I'm not sure I could do all that again. The woman I've been seeing the past 9 months just moved in and she has two grand babies. They can come in the summer a few weeks and we'll all have a great time.

Or get another puppy. lol

You both look great BTW.

Hell Puppy, good post and very true. I also see some very big companies that were always in adult plunging forward. It almost looks like they purposely waited for the storm to pass before coming in and bringing that qaulity edge to the net.
DV, thanks for bringing me back to reality....I havce problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids
;-(((

I guess I'll play with friends kids instead, much better that way
;-)))

yeah...you did see me change over a last few, but....
if I catch you again in the Westin room at the show,
I'll try to nail you again, even though I know it won't work
;-)))))

as long as my memory still works, we'll do fine
;-))))

[Monk]

"I have problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids"

tell me about it... I have a Weimaraner with separation anxiety..... I can't kennel him or send him out to stay with other people.... he needs an in-house dog-sitter when I go away.

[RawAlex]

Serge, the water isn't any different from one business to another in the end... but the enjoyment of the new flavor of toilet water is what keeps it from being so boring. This business WAS fun because people changed the toilet water daily. Now we are lucky if people remember to flush.

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 3 2004, 05:21 PM
Serge, the water isn't any different from one business to another in the end... but the enjoyment of the new flavor of toilet water is what keeps it from being so boring. This business WAS fun because people changed the toilet water daily. Now we are lucky if people remember to flush.

Alex
hahahhaha,
my father in lkaw would be proud of me quoting him on Oprano:
"If it yellow - let it mellow,
if it brown - flush it down"
;_))))

[theduderocks]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 04:23 PM
I can't believe I am reading this. At first I thought it was just another SO wank post. But now I do believe he speaking from the heart. I am still not totally convinced but leaning that way. If it is the case that you are getting maudlin and broody you might consider the purchase of a nice porch swing and a new pair of slippers. Figuratively speaking of course.
I think I am very lucky because I had a long and satisfying career in the entertainment business before I did this so have no heights to climb (yes I really did meet all those people and many many more), just cruise, make money,travel and sleep in. So I am content with what I do.
As the internet becomes more universal, it is possible to do this job from anywhere in the world. I was updating my sites at very high speeds from Cambodia one of the poorest places in the world.
20 K a month is OK dough to raise a family, so why not just tread water and/or do something challenging if this bores you. Buy a new business and get a mini van for the new Oprano family soccer team.
why?
because:
1) the toilet water doesn't taste good even at 20k a month

2) where is the guarantee that the "next business" water will taste any different?[/b][/quote]
Yeah, I always pegged you for more of a perfume kind of guy. Keep working.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 05:14 PM
"I have problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids"

tell me about it... I have a Weimaraner with separation anxiety..... I can't kennel him or send him out to stay with other people.... he needs an in-house dog-sitter when I go away.
hmmm...dog sitter - $40 a day.
putting to sleep, including cremation is only $150....

should I run webmaster auction to save Sonia's life?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by theduderocks+Apr 3 2004, 05:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (theduderocks @ Apr 3 2004, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 01:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 04:23 PM
I can't believe I am reading this. At first I thought it was just another SO wank post. But now I do believe he speaking from the heart. I am still not totally convinced but leaning that way. If it is the case that you are getting maudlin and broody you might consider the purchase of a nice porch swing and a new pair of slippers. Figuratively speaking of course.
I think I am very lucky because I had a long and satisfying career in the entertainment business before I did this so have no heights to climb (yes I really did meet all those people and many many more), just cruise, make money,travel and sleep in. So I am content with what I do.
As the internet becomes more universal, it is possible to do this job from anywhere in the world. I was updating my sites at very high speeds from Cambodia one of the poorest places in the world.
20 K a month is OK dough to raise a family, so why not just tread water and/or do something challenging if this bores you. Buy a new business and get a mini van for the new Oprano family soccer team.
why?
because:
1) the toilet water doesn't taste good even at 20k a month

2) where is the guarantee that the "next business" water will taste any different?
Yeah, I always pegged you for more of a perfume kind of guy. Keep working.[/b][/quote]
I don't think I understood your post, please eleborate

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dianna Vesta@Apr 3 2004, 04:27 PM
Serge you'd make an excellent father and you know I ain't kissing your ass. I've seen you change over the past year and paid close attention to your pictures.

Maybe you and LL should adopt but think about it carefully. personally I'm waiting for my son to have kids. I can enjoy them as if they were mine and give them back when I have other things to do. I'm not sure I could do all that again. The woman I've been seeing the past 9 months just moved in and she has two grand babies. They can come in the summer a few weeks and we'll all have a great time.

Or get another puppy. lol

You both look great BTW.

Hell Puppy, good post and very true. I also see some very big companies that were always in adult plunging forward. It almost looks like they purposely waited for the storm to pass before coming in and bringing that qaulity edge to the net.
DV, thanks for bringing me back to reality....I havce problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids
;-(((

I guess I'll play with friends kids instead, much better that way
;-)))

yeah...you did see me change over a last few, but....
if I catch you again in the Westin room at the show,
I'll try to nail you again, even though I know it won't work
;-)))))

as long as my memory still works, we'll do fine
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Never say never because fantasy is still pretty damn good even if it stays in your head forever.

If go away for a long time why not bring your dogs out here? I have lots of room and most areas are fenced off. We have toyed with the idea of boarding but decided not to. Taking care of animals is what I do. I had a friend stay here a few months while she relocated to the area. She brought her Akita who doesn't like anyone. She has a hard time keeping the dog away from me. That dog will hate living in an apt after this. The dog plays with baby pigs and goats, hangs out on the farm with me and eats what my dogs eat - rice, fish, eggs, veggies- all natural. Every two weeks everyone gets a bath, ears cleaned and then they go out and roll around in the grass.

I work at home and just took an office 5 minutes away so I can scoot home to check on everyone. I'm installing some cams next month in the animal pens and across the land. You'll see.

Time for dinner.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 05:14 PM
"I have problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids"

tell me about it... I have a Weimaraner with separation anxiety..... I can't kennel him or send him out to stay with other people.... he needs an in-house dog-sitter when I go away.
Those dogs are a pain in the ass. I had an ex who got one and ended up finding a home for him. Always research before deciding to get a breed and make sure it fits in with your lifestyle.

[Winetalk.com]

DV, may I have your phone number?
we'll make it worth your while and I'll throw you going medival on my ass as a bonus
;-)))

[sarettah]

I have finally managed to get most of the way through this thread.lolol.

I don't really have any strong, coherent thoughts to add to all of this but, Serge, if you want to run the board without Morons, prizes, "would you hit this" and cowtowing to sponsors, then I say by all means do it that way. It has worked thus far :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 3 2004, 07:03 PM
I have finally managed to get most of the way through this thread.lolol.

I don't really have any strong, coherent thoughts to add to all of this but, Serge, if you want to run the board without Morons, prizes, "would you hit this" and cowtowing to sponsors, then I say by all means do it that way. It has worked thus far :okthumb:
Sare, it has begun....the partners has spoken and unanimously have chosen QUALITY over Quantaty...and ready to take ANY consequnces the new policy brings

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 05:48 PM
DV, may I have your phone number?
we'll make it worth your while and I'll throw you going medival on my ass as a bonus
;-)))
Make what worth my while? Bring your dog here and just bring me back some good wine. She can stay inside with me and go to work with me.

Do what to your ass? lol- oh shit don't get me started.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Apr 3 2004, 07:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Apr 3 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 05:48 PM
DV, may I have your phone number?
we'll make it worth your while and I'll throw you going medival on my ass as a bonus
;-)))
Make what worth my while? Bring your dog here and just bring me back some good wine. She can stay inside with me and go to work with me.

Do what to your ass? lol- oh shit don't get me started.[/b][/quote]
thanks, if you are not interested in my ass, it's fine with me,
but for the record, I was ready to sacrifice it for canine's sake!
;-))

may we drop her for a week in may? 7-17?

[Dravyk]

Oprano to me:

I'd rather laugh with the sinners
than cry with the saints
the sinners are much more fun
and only the good die young

:wnw:

[Meat]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 03:11 PM

I am shocked. I always thought Oprano was more profitable.
you are shocked because you just don't know what people make in the board business.

Boards , 99.99% are owned by people who looks at the boards as
1) tool to promote their own programs
2) collect ad revenues which is VERY small % of their income

as boards go,
Oprano is withing TOP 4 ALL TIME BOARD MONEY MAKERS,
behind by YNOT, Netpond, GFY,
who were all much longer in business than Oprano,
with GFY being the ONLY board with the same owner from the day one.[/b][/quote]
Good thread guys and as one of the offending pay for posting boards I think I should pop my head in somehwre:)

Boards , 99.99% are owned by people who looks at the boards as
1) tool to promote their own programs
2) collect ad revenues which is VERY small % of their income

I think your percentages are shlightly off Serge...

There are 100s of boards out there now, 99.9% of them are people looking for an easy way to make a fast buck but finding it not that easy...

and that leaves

Oprano is withing TOP 4 ALL TIME BOARD MONEY MAKERS,
behind by YNOT, Netpond, GFY,
who were all much longer in business than Oprano,
with GFY being the ONLY board with the same owner from the day one.

These 4 boards are owned by people who looks at the boards as
1) tool to promote their own programs
2) collect ad revenues which is VERY small % of their income

Thats why those 4 boards will always be around when the hundreds of others have died.

While im coorecting you:) I have been an owner of Netpond since day 1 LONG LONG before GFY, the fact that i took time off to sue nicks ass doesnt change that, I paid nothing to get Netpond back, i dropped my lawsuit and Aga negotiated his price with Nick.

[juliansosa]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 12:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Apr 3 2004, 03:25 PM

ha ha ha good one!

Serge am I reading this right

You are mentally hungry, needing stimuli

as opposed to being hungry for success or something else?

I'm trying to see the nature of the beast to get at possible solutions

Will chew on it a while and let you know if anything stirs

as I hope many others do as well

:redance:
Vick, you read it right....making more money than NOOF in 1999,
quenched my thirst for success for the rest of my life.

one CAN have enough success, but for the live brains, stimuli is a MUST,
or brains dies.

This board is the ONLY place on earth I can share and be myself one hundred percent...the people from REAL world will NEVER understand it all,
you, my friends, do.[/b][/quote]
I still remember when I started in the biz and was spamming search engines. I was so impressed with this cotac.com guy he had every dam listing . I did not know about refreshes and click thru programs lol . Once I learnt the real story I was more impressed.


Anyways I hear you on stimulation adult is very boring last year or so. I think the biggest thing to hit webmasters and board was maybe poker and look where that started :)

[Meat]

Paying for posts yea we do it and Nick will probably say thats just the hippy in me LOL

Aga and I made the decision to pay for posts for a number of reasons, some obvious to most others prob only you will know why Serge because you have a closer understanding of our complete business model now.

When we got Netpond it was basiccaly a mess, we got raped and pillaged by every fucker in this business before we even got the server passwords LOLOLOL...

Netpond is number 2 busiest adult webmaster board in the world right now accfording to Board Tracker stats.

Oprano posters post what is of interest to them and Netpond posters post what interests them, two different boards with two different peronalities, sometimes netponders wnat to talk business most times not, however they are all webmasters all producing or trying to produce the most money thhey can from webmastering

The fact we pay for posting doesnt mean to say Netpond webmasters are not interested in business. You like post to view ratios Serge:) Check these views to post ratios:)

http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=...c8a9&forumid=19 (http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=fd2def8a67f18aa36d722dd3e49cc8a 9&forumid=19)

http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=...c8a9&forumid=18 (http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=fd2def8a67f18aa36d722dd3e49cc8a 9&forumid=18) <---Interesting one here:) check the view to posts in the thread where a Sponsor has come to chat, Mark was very happy with the results he got from a 5 srcond post on a paid to post message board...

http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=...c8a9&forumid=35 (http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=fd2def8a67f18aa36d722dd3e49cc8a 9&forumid=35)

Horses for courses, just because we pay people to post doesnt mean they need to be paid or have nothing to offer our sponsors, just means they are a bit younger than average age at Oprano and they like to talk about differnet things WHILE they work:)

:)

[cj]

Originally posted by Buff@Apr 3 2004, 03:10 PM
Were this my board and were I facing the problems you describe, I would try to drop those aspects of the board which attract the vulgar masses and add new features which would continue to cater to the bright people whose company you enjoy.

Perhaps add some news feeds to the main page. Customizable weather. Maybe even turn the whole board into a Board/Portal. Add some stuff that no one else has -- put the national debt clock in the corner. Rotate some random "facts" into the front page -- have them change with every refresh. For instance, it might read "Did you know that right now there are [x] number of employees at the IRS." or "The average worker works until May [20th] of each year just to pay his taxes."

I have a lot of ideas of what you might add to draw intelligent eyeballs, but I am heading to the Quarter with Crystal to go enjoy the beautiful weather right now.

Love,
Buff
Gonzo & I are working on rebuilding OpranoPlus, and these are the types of features we were planning on. Keen to hear any other suggestions on what you would like to see there.


Serge, why are you overcomplicating such a simple decision? If I had asked you this question, you would have give me this advice ...

Stop posting on the other boards, leave lens & brad to deal with a few thousand greedy moronic mouths to feed while we share gourmet food amongst only hundreds. The advertisers that want to continue to advertise here will send their money, those who don't ... won't.

There's a core of us that will stay, there's a few who will drop by less, and some who will never come back. If people stop advertising because you've stopped posting on gfy ... that would be a bit stupid on their part - especially seeing you share many of the same advertisers.

Why the gloom and doom feeling NOW? Not just serge, everyone! This thread is depressing! The hell part has passed, the culling is in full swing and this is where it gets exciting - new ideas are booming and a few companies are starting to shine as leaders. Its not scary NOW, because the unknown is now known ... YES, lots of people will go out of business. Unless its YOU, why feel anything but excited by the future? And if its that bad & boring, find something else to do!

And something many of you seem to be ignoring in this boo hoo thread ...

Almost every opranaut could individually create a formula or hire a couple of staff to do what 1000 gfy/justblows webmasters do. Who gives a fuck if there are 1000's of tgp's ... if I put the effort into a tgp or link list that I do to my primary business, paysites, it would shit on 90% of the crap out there - and most of us here could say the same and not just be sucking our own cocks.

The thing is, up until now we have fought against tgp's & free porn, tried to kill it - and its spread - why? because its what surfers want ... so, why let webmasters give it to them when we can do it ourselves? FREE was supposed to mean 'SAMPLE' ... and one day, it will again.

1 of these roles/groups is disposable, unnecessary, too expensive, and living on borrowed time ...

SURFERS
SEARCH ENGINES
WEBMASTERS
PAYSITES

which one is it?


Look around ... someone has already figured this out ;-)

[Meat]

Last post i will adress the 30% slippage...I know where its going, I know how it gets there and I know where it leaves from:)

There are lots of bad elements in this business trying to screw every other fucker before every other fucker screws them that has always been the case in this biz...I feel no threat because of the info I know because for the most part is going to stay with me till I die, hopefully of natural causes:)

There are worse elements in this biz than people who steal traffic and having been the recipient of a death threat that needed to be taken extremely seriously I have taken steps to go to my grave kicking and screaming should I meet with an ounce of lead somewhere...

5 lawyers in 5 countries have full details of my death threat along with everything I know and including pictures:)

The day I or someone close to me meets with an untiml;ey death is the day that some people are going to wake up with some fucking nasty headaches courtesy of Police forces in 5 different countries in this world.

I have stopped worrying about a bullet in the back of my head, wasnt doing me any good. I have taken steps that will ensure the deed doesnt go unpunished.

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Thats why those 4 boards will always be around when the hundreds of others have died.

While im coorecting you:) I have been an owner of Netpond since day 1 LONG LONG before GFY, the fact that i took time off to sue nicks ass doesnt change that, I paid nothing to get Netpond back, i dropped my lawsuit and Aga negotiated his price with Nick.

************************************************** ******

Meat,
my %% are correct,
what you call "There are 100s of boards out there now, 99.9% of them are people looking for an easy way to make a fast buck but finding it not that easy..." I don't call boards, I call them "widgets" and I wasn't counting widgets
;'-))))

as for ownerships,
I was more reffering to the uninterrupted stream of revenues than actual possesion. It's like my Worldcom bonds I once had, I still had them but they didn't pay interest
;-))))

P.S. did you notice I wake up at 5 am regardless of what country I am in?
;_)))) Fuckin' ScottPB, messed my clock for good
;-))))

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Originally posted by juliansosa@Apr 4 2004, 02:56 AM

I still remember when I started in the biz and was spamming search engines. I was so impressed with this cotac.com guy he had every dam listing . I did not know about refreshes and click thru programs lol . Once I learnt the real story I was more impressed.


Anyways I hear you on stimulation adult is very boring last year or so. I think the biggest thing to hit webmasters and board was maybe poker and look where that started :)
cotac guy wasn't me
;-))))

it was AGA, the other owner of Netpond
;-)))

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cj,
I am half way there....takes a time to turn one's head and stop thinking about the stats, the stats I was thinking since 96 and where MORE meant better.

you give one heck of an advice and one heck of a head too, and I am not talking about the pin on your tongue, only brain ;-))

[cj]

see, I have been listening :awinky:

you are falling victim to the 'image is everything' crowd, where talking about their income is more important than actually having one ...

There may be 3 other boards that Oprano competes with, but I guarantee you Brad & Lens have to work harder for their money than you & mike do ;-)

$20k in, $5k out ...
$30k in, $25k out ...

:rolleyes:

don't get bored on us now!

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Originally posted by cj@Apr 4 2004, 06:51 AM
see, I have been listening :awinky:

you are falling victim to the 'image is everything' crowd, where talking about their income is more important than actually having one ...

There may be 3 other boards that Oprano competes with, but I guarantee you Brad & Lens have to work harder for their money than you & mike do ;-)

$20k in, $5k out ...
$30k in, $25k out ...

:rolleyes:

don't get bored on us now!
I can't care less what they do....it has no relevance on my life.

Meat has more influence on my life than them, he travels and his traveling stories make me piss my pants
;-)))

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 02:33 AM
cj,
I am half way there....takes a time to turn one's head and stop thinking about the stats, the stats I was thinking since 96 and where MORE meant better.

you give one heck of an advice and one heck of a head too, and I am not talking about the pin on your tongue, only brain ;-))
Serge, yesterday Overtrue sent all their clients a noticed stating that they will stop taking online gambling ads April 30th. This is BIG news as Millions of ad dollars are going to go somewhere else(gambling boards).


also EVERY poker board out there is packed with people who can give great info to webamsters and players alike. The thing about these poker boards are they don't let their posters have sigs or let them promote any of there shit. They have no clue what the hell a "sig" is. I can go to each poker board and start a little drama to get everyone's attention and direct them to Oprano Poker. just letting them know they can have a party poker button in their sig when they post here would give them all a hard-on.




Poker is here to stay and is only going to get bigger. what happened when the adult boards started their boom in 99 is happening to the poker boards today. just wanted your thoughts on this.



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[Meat]

There may be 3 other boards that Oprano competes with

I dont think Oprano has to compete with any other board it stands alone as a unique board because of the people and personalities that frequent it. Nothing will change that unless Serge and Mike close it down.

Other boards may be busier but there will always only be one Oprano.

As a board owner that competes against other boards, Oprano is the only other board I will read or post on, the others mean nothing to me and have no relevance for me except for Netpond to kick there asses:)))

We stopped competinmg against Oprano along time ago, we can live with each other and exist togther:)



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[Meat]

I can't care less what they do....it has no relevance on my life

Serge we were thinking same thing at same time...thats freaky, you spent TO MUCH time in London heehehehe:))

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Originally posted by Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:04 AM
I can't care less what they do....it has no relevance on my life

Serge we were thinking same thing at same time...thats freaky, you spent TO MUCH time in London heehehehe:))
...and miss it already, it was a VERY good trip,
too bad you missed Aga droping guy on the street like he was a sack of potatoes, but....
;_)

looking forward to the New York great adventure, it's been way too long since 1997 when you put the town on it's head
;-)))

[Meat]

Serge, traveeling with you is a great experience for me, I see things I never see before and I get in alot less trouble:)) Looking forward to the NY reunion:)

BTW I finnaly figured out what OPRANO stands for...

Other Peoiples Resources Are Now Ours

:)))

U guys did good and you should NOT close this place down, the industry needs it.

[Meat]

and yea i still think i can paint a better piccy than VanGough:)

Rembrandt was highlight of amsterdam for me.

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Originally posted by Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:13 AM
Serge, traveeling with you is a great experience for me, I see things I never see before and I get in alot less trouble:)) Looking forward to the NY reunion:)

BTW I finnaly figured out what OPRANO stands for...

Other Peoiples Resources Are Now Ours

:)))

U guys did good and you should NOT close this place down, the industry needs it.
hahahhahahahah,
I LOVE when you get in troubles traveling, makes one heck of a stories!!!!

we won't close it for as long as friends and family come over and INTELLIGENCE rules, in it's all shapes and forms.

Now I take 10 mins break,
I started implementing changes as we speak...
check the main page,
the Newbie board is GONE, more changes to follow

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Originally posted by Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:15 AM
and yea i still think i can paint a better piccy than VanGough:)

Rembrandt was highlight of amsterdam for me.
I'll take you to Metropolitan and send you a few URL's to read,
you'll LOVE Van Gogh more than you love Rembrandt, gimme time
;_)))

[Meat]

hey the oprano logo went AWOL

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Originally posted by Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:20 AM
hey the oprano logo went AWOL
what did I fuck up????

[Meat]

too bad you missed Aga droping guy on the street like he was a sack of potatoes

Thats why I call him Mr Aga:)

[Meat]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 4 2004, 04:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 4 2004, 04:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:20 AM
hey the oprano logo went AWOL
what did I fuck up????[/b][/quote]
Serge admit it like I do...graphics and html should be left to graphics and html people:)

This is why I am npt allowed the keys to the server or admin functions at Netpond, i scare the boys especially Fred who has to fix the fuckups:)

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Originally posted by Meat+Apr 4 2004, 07:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meat @ Apr 4 2004, 07:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 04:23 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:20 AM
hey the oprano logo went AWOL
what did I fuck up????
Serge admit it like I do...graphics and html should be left to graphics and html people:)

This is why I am npt allowed the keys to the server or admin functions at Netpond, i scare the boys especially Fred who has to fix the fuckups:)[/b][/quote]
I don't recall us having Oprano logo on this board...are you sure????

I personally LOVE seeing Ed's hairs rise when he sees what I have done
;_)))

[Meat]

there was a big ass Oprano logo last time i checked was at top of index page


http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=oprano.com

If you wanna know what ya index page USED to look like:)

[pushpills]

I will toss my 2 cents in.


As far as boards go, this one will stay with its usual happenings, but gfy and weasel's board will deffinately be changing.

Gfy I think will *eventually* impose stricter sigwhoring rules and attempt to cut out uselessness that's been driving people away (or at least quality people) for the last six months especially.

weasel's board is brads version of a pump and dump stock scam. There's a reason his sponsors must commit to 3 months worth of advertising upfront.

Within 6 months, advertisers will start backing off his board, and it'll start to dry up. When I play weasel's board poker once in a while, I've never heard of 94% of the people, they are all sigwhores or highschool dopers who accidently broke their dvd player and must find a way to get another one without actually working.

As far as netpond, I regretably didn't post there much back in the day and don't do so currently, I cannot spend too much time on boards. I can't really say for sure how they will do in the future.


Speaking of the future, what NEW board COULD be the future? I think there could be a healthy mix of bullshit and business, which gfy once was and still is but the ratios are getting a bit nuts.

So something new would be a board, invite only, where people make important posts but are not shunned by the occasional "would you hit it" thread. Only 2 lines of text in the sigs would also be useful.

Some of my thoughts.


As for me, I will stick around here, and will post on gfy on a decent basis. I think you will see more of the brad style pump and dump boards to come.



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Originally posted by Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:32 AM
there was a big ass Oprano logo last time i checked was at top of index page


http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=oprano.com

If you wanna know what ya index page USED to look like:)
Meat,
it's still there!

http://oprano.com
but..
I'll have it gone too soon
;-))))

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Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 4 2004, 07:34 AM
I will toss my 2 cents in.


As far as boards go, this one will stay with its usual happenings, but gfy and weasel's board will deffinately be changing.

Gfy I think will *eventually* impose stricter sigwhoring rules and attempt to cut out uselessness that's been driving people away (or at least quality people) for the last six months especially.

weasel's board is brads version of a pump and dump stock scam. There's a reason his sponsors must commit to 3 months worth of advertising upfront.

Within 6 months, advertisers will start backing off his board, and it'll start to dry up. When I play weasel's board poker once in a while, I've never heard of 94% of the people, they are all sigwhores or highschool dopers who accidently broke their dvd player and must find a way to get another one without actually working.

As far as netpond, I regretably didn't post there much back in the day and don't do so currently, I cannot spend too much time on boards. I can't really say for sure how they will do in the future.


Speaking of the future, what NEW board COULD be the future? I think there could be a healthy mix of bullshit and business, which gfy once was and still is but the ratios are getting a bit nuts.

So something new would be a board, invite only, where people make important posts but are not shunned by the occasional "would you hit it" thread. Only 2 lines of text in the sigs would also be useful.

Some of my thoughts.


As for me, I will stick around here, and will post on gfy on a decent basis. I think you will see more of the brad style pump and dump boards to come.
this observation is very accurate, in my opinion. Told ya, you are getting there
;-)))

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Originally posted by masterp74+Apr 4 2004, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masterp74 @ Apr 4 2004, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 02:33 AM
cj,
I am half way there....takes a time to turn one's head and stop thinking about the stats, the stats I was thinking since 96 and where MORE meant better.

you give one heck of an advice and one heck of a head too, and I am not talking about the pin on your tongue, only brain ;-))
Serge, yesterday Overtrue sent all their clients a noticed stating that they will stop taking online gambling ads April 30th. This is BIG news as Millions of ad dollars are going to go somewhere else(gambling boards).


also EVERY poker board out there is packed with people who can give great info to webamsters and players alike. The thing about these poker boards are they don't let their posters have sigs or let them promote any of there shit. They have no clue what the hell a "sig" is. I can go to each poker board and start a little drama to get everyone's attention and direct them to Oprano Poker. just letting them know they can have a party poker button in their sig when they post here would give them all a hard-on.




Poker is here to stay and is only going to get bigger. what happened when the adult boards started their boom in 99 is happening to the poker boards today. just wanted your thoughts on this.[/b][/quote]
masterP,
Poker board is YOUR baby,
we are just basically facilitators,
and ANY way you find to make money from this venture,
within the laws, of course,
are yours to enjoy the fruits of your labor,
(just wet our beaks a little ;-)))

you did a remarkable job in marketting so far,
now if you figure out how to make a buck with it-
more power to you!

[Meat]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 4 2004, 04:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 4 2004, 04:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:32 AM
there was a big ass Oprano logo last time i checked was at top of index page


http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=oprano.com

If you wanna know what ya index page USED to look like:)
Meat,
it's still there!

http://oprano.com
but..
I'll have it gone too soon
;-))))[/b][/quote]
clear ya cache its still gone:)

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Originally posted by Meat@Apr 4 2004, 03:14 AM


Netpond is number 2 busiest adult webmaster board in the world right now accfording to Board Tracker stats.


I can only quote Lord Disraeli
(saw his grave in Westminster Abby)
there are 3 kinds of lie:

simple lie
white lie
STATISTICS

;-)))

Aga figured out how my stats worked 3! years before it became public knowledge
;-))

I beleive those stats as much as he believed mine
;-))))

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Originally posted by Meat+Apr 4 2004, 08:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meat @ Apr 4 2004, 08:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 04:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meat@Apr 4 2004, 07:32 AM
there was a big ass Oprano logo last time i checked was at top of index page


http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=oprano.com

If you wanna know what ya index page USED to look like:)
Meat,
it's still there!

http://oprano.com
but..
I'll have it gone too soon
;-))))
clear ya cache its still gone:)[/b][/quote]
no it's not!
remember when we couldn't see 1/2 the ads on your computer?
ENABLE flash, it's there!
;-)))

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and now I replaced it with static logo for faster downloads, as I promissed earlier
;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

Meat 2004 version a hippy?

Naw , I like the "new" Meat. Actually I liked the old meat too ;-)))

...and yeah , I heard about death threats a way back even way the hell over here.

Foggeddaboudit ;-))))

....I know , easier said than done ;-)))

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 4 2004, 09:33 AM


Naw , I like the "new" Meat. Actually I liked the old meat too ;-)))


Meat just finished reciting his CUNT poems to me
;-)))

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/223.jpg

[pushpills]

first pearl thread?

there should be a highlight or at least a quote of the pearl for these, as I may have missed it myself. :rolleyes:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 4 2004, 06:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 4 2004, 06:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Apr 4 2004, 09:33 AM


Naw , I like the "new" Meat. Actually I liked the old meat too ;-)))


Meat just finished reciting his CUNT poems to me
;-)))

http://www.wyldesites.com/europe2004/images/223.jpg[/b][/quote]
Some of those were classics ;-))

Funny watching the junior staff in Vancouver trying not to laugh cause I was giving them the cunty eye ;-)))

Of course Anthony laughed openly.

Redlion just said " Meat has all the charm and wit of an unflushed toilet"

That was funny ;-)))