Mars?

[Meni]

Mars?

“Listen,” continued Meni, “Mars is just that...it’s Mars. I am leading the NBA in scoring and we’re talking about Mars! Mars? We’re going to sit here and discuss Mars man...Mars...”

BUSH CHENEY 04

[Meni]

BUSH CHENEY 04
lets spend money on Mars exploration
instead of .......

[Buff]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 24 2004, 03:56 PM
BUSH CHENEY 04
lets spend money on Mars exploration
instead of .......
spending money
government style
who determines appropriations
if we ask the constitution?

the president? the supreme court?

or some other body?

Is civics


still taught in public "schools?"

if so, whose civics? Honda's?

[Vick]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 24 2004, 11:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 24 2004, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 24 2004, 03:56 PM
BUSH CHENEY 04
lets spend money on Mars exploration
instead of .......
spending money
government style
who determines appropriations
if we ask the constitution?

the president? the supreme court?

or some other body?

Is civics


still taught in public "schools?"

if so, whose civics? Honda's?[/b][/quote]
that's fucking funny :D

[Meni]

So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no

[Meni]

Even more disheartening
no one points out
i am mocking
Iverson's practice quote


thats why oprano is not cool

[Buff]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 24 2004, 10:40 PM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
It stands to reason
or reason stands to it

that Bush lovers would be behind Bush
or he behind them or behind their behinds

Men are from Mars you know

[Vick]

Let the record show that once again

I prefer SHAVED!!!


and a nice glass (or 3) of Scotch on the Rocks

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:40 AM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
Meni are you even aware enough of your surroundings to know about the benefits to EVERYONE the space program has provided? Learn to use Google. :)

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 24 2004, 11:40 PM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
I am to a Bush lover what Rush Limbaugh is to honest ...

and I'm all for Mars exploration.

I truly hope this does not cause your eyeballs to roll back in your head and a big "Tilt" sign show up on your forhead.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 24 2004, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 24 2004, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 24 2004, 10:40 PM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
It stands to reason
or reason stands to it

that Bush lovers would be behind Bush
or he behind them or behind their behinds

Men are from Mars you know[/b][/quote]
Hey Ed - I think the BuffBot has caught the latest viruse, the Meni.

Might need some tweaking.

[Vick]

Meni I have a question for you
Are you concerned about feeding the hungry in this country?

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 24 2004, 11:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 24 2004, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Mar 24 2004, 11:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 24 2004, 10:40 PM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
It stands to reason
or reason stands to it

that Bush lovers would be behind Bush
or he behind them or behind their behinds

Men are from Mars you know
Hey Ed - I think the BuffBot has caught the latest viruse, the Meni.

Might need some tweaking.[/b][/quote]
When conventional means fail to achieve victory
the old maxim
what is it again?

If you can't beat them
beat them up

[JR]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 24 2004, 08:40 PM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
we should send Meni to Mars. at this point, it would be money well spent.

[TheEnforcer]

You know I'm no big fan of Bush by any means but I'd love to see money spent on a mission to Mars and a HUGE ramp up of our space program. You set an extrememly ambitous mission for spacve exploartion and the benefits from the research in other areas will be enormus.

[Almighty Colin]

Go to Mars! How about something exciting from NASA? Something exciting enough to get more young kids interested in science. NASA has put all kinds of great observatories in space the past 20 years and has sent probes to and by other planets. A lot of real science has been done. What has been missing is the human factor -- the human factor that caused a generation of kids to grow up wanting to be astronauts like Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. Rovers don't make good role models.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 24 2004, 08:41 PM



thats why oprano is not cool
So............ what's a cool cat like you doin hangin with the squares?
Hopin to gleen some cash geek grey matter from thems that know?

just a query

spaz :matey:

[Trev]

and this thread is worth reading because?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Peaches+Mar 25 2004, 12:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Mar 25 2004, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:40 AM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
Meni are you even aware enough of your surroundings to know about the benefits to EVERYONE the space program has provided? Learn to use Google. :)[/b][/quote]
Benefits of the space program?
how about feeding the hungry?
STEM CELL
ok lover
STEM CELL VS SPACE
you f'n lose

[Meni]

Originally posted by Vick@Mar 25 2004, 12:41 AM
Meni I have a question for you
Are you concerned about feeding the hungry in this country?
oh Vick I didn't see this till I replied to Peaches
how she points out how space exploration helps everyone
and i should learn to use google
ok
i know google a bit
to the worth of $150K in 2 months for PARIS HILTON
lick me thank you

[Meni]

Originally posted by JR+Mar 25 2004, 02:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Mar 25 2004, 02:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 24 2004, 08:40 PM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
we should send Meni to Mars. at this point, it would be money well spent.[/b][/quote]
JR you didn't answer the question

[Meni]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Mar 25 2004, 03:36 AM
You know I'm no big fan of Bush by any means but I'd love to see money spent on a mission to Mars and a HUGE ramp up of our space program. You set an extrememly ambitous mission for spacve exploartion and the benefits from the research in other areas will be enormus.
How about spending it on stem cell research
so instead of PRAYING that some kid in a wheelchair can walk
he can actually walk some day

is that crazy opranauts? hmm?

you want to explore Mars
you don't even take care of your own
you wanna play science, then stem cell research would help/save millions
What did the last 30 years of space exploration do?

I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha

[Meni]

Originally posted by Trev@Mar 25 2004, 07:39 AM
and this thread is worth reading because?
Just as worth reading as
Serge talking about his latest bowel movement

[Trev]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 04:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Mar 25 2004, 07:39 AM
and this thread is worth reading because?
Just as worth reading as
Serge talking about his latest bowel movement[/b][/quote]
Serges bowel movements are 100% more entertaining than this thread...

Heck mashing myself in the face with a mallet is 100% more entertaining than this thread :huh:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:35 AM
I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha
Prove to me that people are more important than knowledge and science.

[wig]

Meni,

You could not debate your way out of a wet paper bag.

I have never seen so many simple-minded rants before.

You have not absorbed any of the logic that has been presented to you.

You are close-minded and a shallow thinker.

You remind me of a doll that has its string pulled.

[Peaches]

Meni, again - do some research on your own first. See how many "hungry" people there are in America and then see how many are "hungry" due to their own choices in life.

Our government gives:

1) Food Stamps
2) Free breakfast in the schools
3) Free lunch in the schools
4) WIC
5) Welfare checks
6) Medicaid
7) Free housing

In addition there are the private charities and food banks which provide food, clothing, shelter, help with utilities, etc.

Personally, I don't see why the government is helping people who absolutely refuse to help themselves and I'd rather see it ALL done by independent charities than by tax dollars, but I know it will never happen.

And because you obviously don't know how to use Google :awinky: , I'll help you out on the space program. Note the server it's on - even Serge, Vick and Colin would approve B)

Benefits of the space program (http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/benefits_of_space_program.html)

[Buff]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 08:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 08:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Peaches@Mar 25 2004, 12:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:40 AM
So you Bush lovers really are behind wasting $$$$$$$$$$$ on a trip to Mars
yes or no
Meni are you even aware enough of your surroundings to know about the benefits to EVERYONE the space program has provided? Learn to use Google. :)
Benefits of the space program?
how about feeding the hungry?
STEM CELL
ok lover
STEM CELL VS SPACE
you f'n lose[/b][/quote]
The poor it seems
eat too much in this country

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitnes...x.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/03/04/obesity.paradox.ap/index.html)
obesity is as obesity does

meni,
do steroids hurt your brain
or does a hurt brain turn to steroids

old adage
strong back
weak mind

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 25 2004, 10:14 AM
Benefits of the space program (http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/benefits_of_space_program.html)
I don't see meteorological prediction on there but many lives are saved from being able to more accuractely evacuate coastlines due to better knowledge of hurricane locations due to satellites. Only 26 lives lost in Andrew, for example.

The same is true for other types of weather systems.

[Almighty Colin]

Why be so trite as to frame every issue in terms of George Bush's belief system? Stem cell research vs. space research? No. Both.

[AM Jeff]

I agree with Meni.
Lets scrape the space programs, grants to researchers in fight against all diseases, science and techologies, helping other countries build and rebuild, grants to students, schools, and etc..
(I'm sure, I left out millions of others things our goverment spends money on.)
These are a complete waste of money.

I prefer to build our walls up so no one can get in or out of the U.S. and take care of our own.

Bring back communism and fuck the world.
Right Meni?


:rolleyes:

[Almighty Colin]

Interesting new story released today ...

(CNN) -- Fifty-seven years after combat pilot Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier, NASA will make a second attempt Saturday at flying an aircraft at 5,000 mph -- about seven times Mach 1, the speed of sound.

The space agency's dogged pursuit of extreme speed, officials hope, will ultimately make space flight easier to accomplish.

NASA will roll out the X-43A, capable of reaching speeds more than Mach 7, in a test flight over the Pacific Ocean. The Hyper-X, as it is called, could also give rise to commercial planes that zip passengers between London and New York in less than two hours.

"It's relatively simple in its concept," said Griff Corpening, chief engineer for the X-43A program. "It's incredibly challenging in its execution.... [That is] where 40 plus years of research comes in."

The $250-million Hyper-X program has already attracted the interest of the Air Force and private aerospace companies such as Boeing. But dreams of civilian spin-offs are at least 20 years away, said NASA officials, who are betting the program will first lead to a more durable, cheaper workhorse for the space fleet.

And the future of the program could be hindered by budget cuts as NASA attempts to establish a moon base and launch a manned Mars expedition under an initative by the Bush Administration.

The diminutive, 12-foot-long X-43A test craft will ride atop a Pegasus booster rocket launched from a converted B-52 bomber off southern California. The flight will test aspects of a design to allow planes to overcome the pull of Earth's gravity by reaching 18,500 mph, also known as escape velocity.

During the test, the 49-foot-long booster rocket will propel the X-43A to about 3,700 mph before the experimental plane detaches from the rocket and flies under its own power using a hydrogen-powered "scramjet" engine, the first such test of the technology.

The actual powered-flight is expected to last about 10 seconds and reach Mach 7 before gliding for six minutes and plunging into the Pacific Ocean.

The test will gather crucial information for engineers and scientists trying to make the X-43A NASA's platform for reusable spacecraft and hypersonic planes, or those traveling above Mach 5.

It will be the first time aircraft have detached in mid-flight for hypersonic flight.

"We've never separated two vehicles going Mach 5," said Leslie Williams, spokeswoman for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center which is overseeing the test. "That's just never happened. It's a very risky thing."

First attempt ends in explosion
The last attempt in 2001 was aborted after stabilizing fins flew off the plane's booster rocket. Controllers ordered the craft destroyed. Researchers blamed a flight control system failure and unanticipated stresses on the rocket.

Since then, a redesign and test changes have reduced the risks, researchers said, but some aspects of the X-43A's propulsion and aerodynamic design remain unproven. Simulating such high speeds on the ground remains difficult.

In many respects, this will be the first trial for crucial technology employing air-breathing "scramjet" engines instead of bulky and expensive chemical rockets to leave the atmosphere. The new engines promise to dramatically lower the risks and expense of flight by freeing spacecrafts from massive and potentially explosive fuel tanks.

"It's hard to say what the future is going to lead to," said Williams. "The [scramjet engines] have been in the wind tunnel for 20 years, but a lot of people will be interested to see if it works in free flight."

Scramjets operate at "hypersonic" speeds by burning hydrogen mixed with compressed air scooped from the atmosphere. There are no moving parts. Instead, sophisticated geometry in the engine allows hydrogen to combust with air moving through the engine at supersonic velocities.

At that speed, a molecule of air stays in the engine for just a millisecond. That creates an enormous amount of thrust -- the exact amount of which is classified -- for an engine which can be reused throughout the life of an aircraft.

In theory, such engines will push crafts beyond Mach 10 and, with the help of chemical rockets, escape Earth's gravitational pull and achieve orbit. That kind of craft would probably employ multiple propulsion systems including a turbo-jet to reach supersonic speeds, scramjets to take the vessel to the edge of the atmosphere and then chemical rockets to enter the void of space.

Searching for a shuttle replacement
But a string of canceled programs and engineering failures have hindered progress. A thrifty and reliable replacement for the agency's problematic space shuttles is still years, if not a decade, away.

Congressional belt-tightening and the cost of shuttle launches (now more than $10,000 per pound; that's about $500 million per flight), have intensified efforts to find a replacement.

It was hoped one could be developed during the last decade, but plans to retire the aging shuttle fleet, now on a deadline of 2010 by President Bush, have floundered.

Engineering obstacles, budget troubles and two space shuttle disasters with Challenger and Columbia swept away a number of promising ideas.

NASA officials maintain that the Hyper-X program will continue regardless of budget cuts.

Keith Henry, spokesman for NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia, said any reduction in funding would only delay the program, not derail it.

"NASA's primary interest is cheaper, more flexible and safer access to space," he said. "It just means the application is a little further."



Last edited by Colin at Mar 25 2004, 11:05 AM

[Meni]

Originally posted by AM Jeff@Mar 25 2004, 10:58 AM
I agree with Meni.
Lets scrape the space programs, grants to researchers in fight against all diseases, science and techologies, helping other countries build and rebuild, grants to students, schools, and etc..
(I'm sure, I left out millions of others things our goverment spends money on.)
These are a complete waste of money.

I prefer to build our walls up so no one can get in or out of the U.S. and take care of our own.

Bring back communism and fuck the world.
Right Meni?


:rolleyes:
I say
fuck outerspace
when we have hungry children here
bad schools
huge deficit
and a president who's too religirous
and wants to fine anyone who says shit on the air $275K
that bill will pass the Senate next week
and GW will pass it
Stern will quit, because he doesn't need to find out the FCC is fining him $30 million for shows he did 3 years ago
You don't know you are being fined till months later
thats fair?
and GW doesn't like STEM CELL RESEARCH
why? kiss the religious right's ass
fuck that
FCC, kiss the right's ass again
oprano, kissing the right's ass

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin@Mar 25 2004, 10:49 AM
Why be so trite as to frame every issue in terms of George Bush's belief system? Stem cell research vs. space research? No. Both.
He listen to the RR
You don't see that
and seperate church and state
why not allow stem cell?
RELIGION
don't play GOD
leave GOD OUT OF IT

[Vick]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:53 PM
I say
fuck outerspace
when we have hungry children here

Reality therapy time

Meni, if you're so worried about hungry why don't you go feed some? Why don't you spend some time working at a soup kitchen helping the hungry get meals

Or is working your fingers on a keyboard the extent of your conviction?

Take whatever you would spend on X this weekend and use that money instead to feed the poor and homeless you seem to care so much about

Me, I say fuck the poor. They aren't my concern. Begging hands and bleeding hearts can only cry out for more




god money's not looking for the cure
god money's not concerned about the sick among the pure
god money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised
god money's not one to choose
no, you can't take it

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin+Mar 25 2004, 10:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 25 2004, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:35 AM
I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha
Prove to me that people are more important than knowledge and science.[/b][/quote]
Without People
there is not need for science nor knowledge

GO

[Meni]

Originally posted by Vick+Mar 25 2004, 01:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Mar 25 2004, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:53 PM
I say
fuck outerspace
when we have hungry children here

Reality therapy time

Meni, if you're so worried about hungry why don't you go feed some? Why don't you spend some time working at a soup kitchen helping the hungry get meals

Or is working your fingers on a keyboard the extent of your conviction?

Take whatever you would spend on X this weekend and use that money instead to feed the poor and homeless you seem to care so much about

Me, I say fuck the poor. They aren't my concern. Begging hands and bleeding hearts can only cry out for more




god money's not looking for the cure
god money's not concerned about the sick among the pure
god money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised
god money's not one to choose
no, you can't take it[/b][/quote]
vick
pretty hate machine is about a girl
the entire album
including Head Like a Hole


and dude, the gov is spending money on bullshit
my point is there are better places to spend it

you say fuck the poor
if you got a god
pray nothing ever happens to you

[Meni]

Originally posted by Vick+Mar 25 2004, 01:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Mar 25 2004, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:53 PM
I say
fuck outerspace
when we have hungry children here

Reality therapy time

Meni, if you're so worried about hungry why don't you go feed some? Why don't you spend some time working at a soup kitchen helping the hungry get meals

Or is working your fingers on a keyboard the extent of your conviction?

Take whatever you would spend on X this weekend and use that money instead to feed the poor and homeless you seem to care so much about

Me, I say fuck the poor. They aren't my concern. Begging hands and bleeding hearts can only cry out for more




god money's not looking for the cure
god money's not concerned about the sick among the pure
god money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised
god money's not one to choose
no, you can't take it[/b][/quote]
Reality time

there was water on mars once
who the fuck cares
you want reality
hit the streets champ

[Meni]

Originally posted by wig@Mar 25 2004, 10:14 AM
Meni,

You could not debate your way out of a wet paper bag.

I have never seen so many simple-minded rants before.

You have not absorbed any of the logic that has been presented to you.

You are close-minded and a shallow thinker.

You remind me of a doll that has its string pulled.
wig
Stem cell or space
we are going to mars
we don't allow stem cell
debate

[Meni]

Originally posted by Trev+Mar 25 2004, 09:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Mar 25 2004, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Meni@Mar 25 2004, 04:36 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Mar 25 2004, 07:39 AM
and this thread is worth reading because?
Just as worth reading as
Serge talking about his latest bowel movement
Serges bowel movements are 100% more entertaining than this thread...

Heck mashing myself in the face with a mallet is 100% more entertaining than this thread :huh:[/b][/quote]
Trev if I didn't post
this board would avg 35 posts a day
that's whats really sad

[Vick]

Meni - you don't address your lack of conviction

So you going to work a soup kitchen and help the hungry?

Going to take the money you'd spend on X this weekend and instead use those funds to buy food for the poor and hungry?

Or is it ok to spout ideals as long as it's doesn't actually take any real effort?

There is no god, it's all just superstition

I say feed the homeless to the hungry, solve two problems at once. Plus I'd bet we'd have a lot less homeless and hungry very quickly

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 01:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 25 2004, 10:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:35 AM
I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha
Prove to me that people are more important than knowledge and science.
Without People
there is not need for science nor knowledge

GO[/b][/quote]
There will be plenty enough people here whether or not stem-cell research is done. Please don't try and substitute the concept of "all people" for "some people". Try again.

[Peaches]

I think Meni has gone past the point of no return. :(

[Meni]

Originally posted by Vick@Mar 25 2004, 01:16 PM
Meni - you don't address your lack of conviction

So you going to work a soup kitchen and help the hungry?

Going to take the money you'd spend on X this weekend and instead use those funds to buy food for the poor and hungry?

Or is it ok to spout ideals as long as it's doesn't actually take any real effort?

There is no god, it's all just superstition

I say feed the homeless to the hungry, solve two problems at once. Plus I'd bet we'd have a lot less homeless and hungry very quickly
Vicky
i'm talking about how the GOV spends all of our money

and I help food drives
and you say fuck the poor

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin+Mar 25 2004, 01:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 25 2004, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Meni@Mar 25 2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 25 2004, 10:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:35 AM
I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha
Prove to me that people are more important than knowledge and science.
Without People
there is not need for science nor knowledge

GO
There will be plenty enough people here whether or not stem-cell research is done. Please don't try and substitute the concept of "all people" for "some people". Try again.[/b][/quote]
Stem Cells for the Future Treatment of Parkinson's Disease
Parkinson's disease (PD) is a very common neurodegenerative disorder that affects more than 2% of the population over 65 years of age. PD is caused by a progressive degeneration and loss of dopamine (DA)-producing neurons, which leads to tremor, rigidity, and hypokinesia (abnormally decreased mobility). It is thought that PD may be the first disease to be amenable to treatment using stem cell transplantation. Factors that support this notion include the knowledge of the specific cell type (DA neurons) needed to relieve the symptoms of the disease. In addition, several laboratories have been successful in developing methods to induce embryonic stem cells to differentiate into cells with many of the functions of DA neurons.

In a recent study, scientists directed mouse embryonic stem cells to differentiate into DA neurons by introducing the gene Nurr1. When transplanted into the brains of a rat model of PD, these stem cell-derived DA neurons reinnervated the brains of the rat Parkinson model, released dopamine and improved motor function.

Regarding human stem cell therapy, scientists are developing a number of strategies for producing dopamine neurons from human stem cells in the laboratory for transplantation into humans with Parkinson's disease. The successful generation of an unlimited supply of dopamine neurons could make neurotransplantation widely available for Parkinson's patients at some point in the future.

[Meni]

Here you go Colin
paste
http://stemcells.nih.gov/stemcell/scireport.asp (http://Read)

then tell me, spending money on Mars is better
do you know anyone sick?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 25 2004, 01:22 PM
I think Meni has gone past the point of no return. :(
Peaches
are you serious?
mars over stem cell research?
MARS exploration
over STEM CELL research

I'm past the point of no return
let Bush pray for the sick
instead of helping science cure them

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin+Mar 25 2004, 01:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 25 2004, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Meni@Mar 25 2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 25 2004, 10:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:35 AM
I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha
Prove to me that people are more important than knowledge and science.
Without People
there is not need for science nor knowledge

GO
There will be plenty enough people here whether or not stem-cell research is done. Please don't try and substitute the concept of "all people" for "some people". Try again.[/b][/quote]
colin
each person is valuable
there will be plenty people here with or without stem cell research
are you kidding
you are that cold?
poor Colin

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 02:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Mar 25 2004, 01:22 PM
I think Meni has gone past the point of no return. :(
Peaches
are you serious?
mars over stem cell research?
MARS exploration
over STEM CELL research

I'm past the point of no return
let Bush pray for the sick
instead of helping science cure them[/b][/quote]
Meni, please feel free to post us the proof where:

1) There is money being removed from stem cell research and given to the Mars space program and
2) Where Bush has moved the money from stem cell research to the Mars space program and the congress and senate didn't OK it.

Seriously, you won't look so foolish if you would just get some facts before you post. Really. :)



Last edited by Peaches at Mar 25 2004, 02:38 PM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 02:35 PM
each person is valuable
Each, huh? :o

[Meni]

Bush only allows research on stem cell lines that have already been created from previously destroyed human embryos.

hands are tied
Bush brings God into the plan
The Creator blah blah



does the Creator want us on Mars?

Bush needs to go, I can't wait

[Meni]

Originally posted by Peaches+Mar 25 2004, 01:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Mar 25 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 02:35 PM
each person is valuable
Each, huh? :o[/b][/quote]
I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

keep holding the scientist back
lets fly to mars
then after that lets all visit Uranus

[Vick]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 25 2004, 01:16 PM
Meni - you don't address your lack of conviction

So you going to work a soup kitchen and help the hungry?

Going to take the money you'd spend on X this weekend and instead use those funds to buy food for the poor and hungry?

Or is it ok to spout ideals as long as it's doesn't actually take any real effort?

There is no god, it's all just superstition

I say feed the homeless to the hungry, solve two problems at once. Plus I'd bet we'd have a lot less homeless and hungry very quickly
Vicky
i'm talking about how the GOV spends all of our money

and I help food drives
and you say fuck the poor[/b][/quote]
Only if they are really hot poor chicks

But yeah fuck the poor, they are not my concern. Money spent on the poor is money wasted

Who the fuck ever came up with the concept of welfare? Ok let's give tax dollars to those who fuck up and create generations of worthless being who won't work - just fucking brilliant!


and neither you nor I Meni has enough knowledge about stem cell research and the space program and the implications to determine which should be funded how much

[Meni]

beauty knows no boundaries

i remember the hottest dancer I booked from 1994 to 1996
she was from way up north Maine, broke
but fuckin gorgeous

[JR]

Originally posted by Vick@Mar 25 2004, 10:50 AM


and neither you nor I Meni has enough knowledge about stem cell research and the space program and the implications to determine which should be funded how much

It has very little to do with science and everything to do with politics. when the Soviet Union put a man in space it was a catastrophe for western powers. it increased the prestige in the world of the Soviet Union and Communism while having the opposite effect in the west and for Capitalism. countries all over the planet abandoned the west and turned to the Soviet Union and aligned themselves with them.

that is why it became so important to trump that achievement by being the first to put a man on the moon. it was not simply an issue of ego ... it was about winning the cold war, slowing the spead of communism and weakening the influence of the Soviet Union in Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe.

going to Mars is no different than putting a man in orbit or on the moon. it's about credibility as a global power.

Why do you think the EU has sent missions to Mars? Why the hurry? Why do it if someone else is doing it? Whats the point.


simple.

Credibility.



Last edited by JR at Mar 25 2004, 11:30 AM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 01:46 PM
I'm confused

:okthumb:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR@Mar 25 2004, 02:25 PM
It has very little to do with science and everything to do with politics. when the Soviet Union put a man in space it was a catastrophe for western powers. it increased the prestige in the world of the Soviet Union and Communism while having the opposite effect in the west and for Capitalism. countries all over the planet abandoned the west and turned to the Soviet Union and aligned themselves with them.

that is why it became so important to trump that achievement by being the first to put a man on the moon. it was not simply an issue of ego ... it was about winning the cold war, slowing the spead of communism and weakening the influence of the Soviet Union in Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe.

going to Mars is no different than putting a man in orbit or on the moon. it's about credibility as a global power.

Why do you think the EU has sent missions to Mars? Why the hurry? Why do it if someone else is doing it? Whats the point.


simple.

Credibility.
B-I-N-G-O

[Meni]

Originally posted by JR+Mar 25 2004, 02:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Mar 25 2004, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 25 2004, 10:50 AM


and neither you nor I Meni has enough knowledge about stem cell research and the space program and the implications to determine which should be funded how much

It has very little to do with science and everything to do with politics. when the Soviet Union put a man in space it was a catastrophe for western powers. it increased the prestige in the world of the Soviet Union and Communism while having the opposite effect in the west and for Capitalism. countries all over the planet abandoned the west and turned to the Soviet Union and aligned themselves with them.

that is why it became so important to trump that achievement by being the first to put a man on the moon. it was not simply an issue of ego ... it was about winning the cold war, slowing the spead of communism and weakening the influence of the Soviet Union in Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe.

going to Mars is no different than putting a man in orbit or on the moon. it's about credibility as a global power.

Why do you think the EU has sent missions to Mars? Why the hurry? Why do it if someone else is doing it? Whats the point.


simple.

Credibility.[/b][/quote]
oh so now EU is smart
yet when the don't like our policies you they are fagets?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin+Mar 25 2004, 02:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 25 2004, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 01:46 PM
I'm confused

:okthumb:[/b][/quote]
Colin i'm still waiting

you think enough people is fine?
do you know anyone who is sick?
that could be helped if GW had less restrictions on stem cell research
and shoved more money into it?
Mars for credibility
ok and you guys also brag we are the last superpower
oh we kicked Iraq's ass
we kick ass and take names
oh so macho
so macho, remember that song boys?
nicola baby

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 03:11 PM

oh so now EU is smart
yet when the don't like our policies you they are fagets?
I don't think you're following the conversation, Meni.

[Meni]

I'll repeat this

I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?
I'm confused
colin only cares that enough people will be alive with or without stem cell research
is colin in too deep about numbers?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin+Mar 25 2004, 03:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 25 2004, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 03:11 PM

oh so now EU is smart
yet when the don't like our policies you they are fagets?
I don't think you're following the conversation, Meni.[/b][/quote]
dude, its all bigger cock contest
and that doesn't really make life better does it?

[VooMan]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:32 AM
i know google a bit
to the worth of $150K in 2 months for PARIS HILTON
lick me thank you
Boy, that sure would feed a lot of poor people. :okthumb:

[Meni]

Originally posted by VooMan+Mar 25 2004, 03:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VooMan @ Mar 25 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:32 AM
i know google a bit
to the worth of $150K in 2 months for PARIS HILTON
lick me thank you
Boy, that sure would feed a lot of poor people. :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
sure
whats the gov spend on piss projects
a trillion
duh

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 03:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 25 2004, 02:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 01:46 PM
I'm confused

:okthumb:
Colin i'm still waiting

you think enough people is fine?
do you know anyone who is sick?
that could be helped if GW had less restrictions on stem cell research
and shoved more money into it?
Mars for credibility
ok and you guys also brag we are the last superpower
oh we kicked Iraq's ass
we kick ass and take names
oh so macho
so macho, remember that song boys?
nicola baby[/b][/quote]
You're really not following. This is where the conversation was. You were going to prove the people were more important than science, remember? Pointing out that without ALL people science would not be important doesn't do that. So in reality, I'm still waiting.

[Almighty Colin]

Meni said "I'm confused" seven times in one post. There's something we can all agree on.

[Meni]

Originally posted by Colin@Mar 25 2004, 03:18 PM
Meni said "I'm confused" seven times in one post. There's something we can all agree on.
science is more important than people?
um
Isn't stem cell research science
helping people
and space exploration is "look at us"

[Meni]

and do you any of you realize
serge is paying me per post while he's gone?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 03:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 03:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Mar 25 2004, 03:18 PM
Meni said "I'm confused" seven times in one post. There's something we can all agree on.
science is more important than people?
um
Isn't stem cell research science
helping people
and space exploration is "look at us"[/b][/quote]
Would someone please explain to Meni the difference between "all of science" and "some science" and "all of the people" and "some people".

Didn't you read Peaches post about space exploration?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 03:20 PM
and do you any of you realize
serge is paying me per post while he's gone?
Are you trying to explain your insane posts away with "I did it all for the money"?

[Meni]

no
lets just get to the basics
I'd like to see Bush out
Bush panders to much to the religious right
ok?
simple

he's limiting stem cell research
I don't like that
he wants to fly to Mars
I don't agree
we are looking at the biggest deficit in history
not fun
he's going to sign the new bill making fines $275K per instance
ok you don't think thats a blow to free speech
What will our broadcasters talk about?
1 wrong word, and its judged by the FCC, not a court.
and you owe $275,000
This bothers no one on oprano?
So our radio will be Ryan Secherest and John Tesh?
TV? nothing cutting edge?
everything SAFE for middle america?
no one sees this are BAD on this board?
there are what? 50 people who read this board
you wanna dismiss the thousands writing their Senators?
the million who email Clear Channel?
oh bush clear channel connection?
cheney duck hunting with scalia
thats enough for me
time for a change
ok mention Stern please, I'd love for you to debate the man in person

[JR]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:11 PM

oh so now EU is smart
yet when the don't like our policies you they are fagets?
are you struggling with an addiction to meth-amphetimines?

that would explain a lot or your incoherent rambling, incomplete sentences, incomplete thoughts, incomplete ideas, incomplete arguements, irrational remarks and the generally fucked up person that is YOU.

[Meni]

Originally posted by JR+Mar 25 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Mar 25 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:11 PM

oh so now EU is smart
yet when the don't like our policies you they are fagets?
are you struggling with an addiction to meth-amphetimines?

that would explain a lot or your incoherent rambling, incomplete sentences, incomplete thoughts, incomplete ideas, incomplete arguements, irrational remarks and the generally fucked up person that is YOU.[/b][/quote]
i didn't edit that post
sorry, and I took a TIGHT so I'm a bit wound up
and sure my buddy is flying into town
and hell we'll roll friday and saturday
cool?

so europeans are ok cuz they wanna go to Mars
but they are pussies cuz they hate Bush and don't agree with invading Iraq
hmmmmm

[JR]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 12:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Mar 25 2004, 03:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:11 PM

oh so now EU is smart
yet when the don't like our policies you they are fagets?
are you struggling with an addiction to meth-amphetimines?

that would explain a lot or your incoherent rambling, incomplete sentences, incomplete thoughts, incomplete ideas, incomplete arguements, irrational remarks and the generally fucked up person that is YOU.
i didn't edit that post
sorry, and I took a TIGHT so I'm a bit wound up
and sure my buddy is flying into town
and hell we'll roll friday and saturday
cool?

so europeans are ok cuz they wanna go to Mars
but they are pussies cuz they hate Bush and don't agree with invading Iraq
hmmmmm[/b][/quote]
huh?

The who? buddy? what? where? roll? pussies? Iraq?

Mars.

remember the conversation you started?

Mars?

Put the crack pipe down already.

[Meni]

oh ok
Mars?
I don't agree spending $$$$$$$$$$ on Mars
ok?
You do?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 25 2004, 09:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 25 2004, 09:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 25 2004, 12:41 AM
Meni I have a question for you
Are you concerned about feeding the hungry in this country?
oh Vick I didn't see this till I replied to Peaches
how she points out how space exploration helps everyone
and i should learn to use google
ok
i know google a bit
to the worth of $150K in 2 months for PARIS HILTON
lick me thank you[/b][/quote]
And being the sudden knee-jerk political junkie that you've become since Stern decided to become one, I am sure that you took that entire $150k and handed it over to a food bank, yes?
Or a stem-cell research facility?

(I knew better than to click on this thread. Really I did. I ignored it for as long as I could and finally had nothing else to read. I should listen to myself more often. :headwall: )

[Vick]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 03:20 PM
and do you any of you realize
serge is paying me per post while he's gone?
I've been wondering :awinky:

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Colin@Mar 25 2004, 06:24 AM
Go to Mars! How about something exciting from NASA? Something exciting enough to get more young kids interested in science. NASA has put all kinds of great observatories in space the past 20 years and has sent probes to and by other planets. A lot of real science has been done. What has been missing is the human factor -- the human factor that caused a generation of kids to grow up wanting to be astronauts like Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. Rovers don't make good role models.
Spot on there Colin!! :okthumb:

[JR]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 01:52 PM
oh ok
Mars?
I don't agree spending $$$$$$$$$$ on Mars
ok?
You do?
i dont care one way or the other. i don't share your belief that the world would be a better place and real social problems would be solved if that money was donated to soup kitchens and homeless shelters.

Communism failed Meni. Welcome to 2004.

[AM Jeff]

Meni, I have no problem helping people who NEED help and want to help themselves. But our society, we have too many that want handouts and don't care a rats ass about doing anything for themselves.

But, at the same time. You have to spread the money ALL around.

Hey now..Bush isn't the ONLY president that has spent money on all other programs, not only the space program. ALL of them have for the last 60 years. ALL of them.

Even if your chosen president that you want elected, would also choose to spend money on the space program.

Besides, you never know what space exploration may bring. Someday the cure for some of the worst desieses known to man.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Colin@Mar 25 2004, 10:49 AM
Stem cell research vs. space research? No. Both.
:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

[Carrie]

Whatever happened to the stories about the babies that were successfully cloned right after all the hubub about stem cell research?
It's like the announcements were flying fast about them being incubated here but born in another country, and then... nothing.
Are they still alive? Were they verified to exist in the first place?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Carrie+Mar 25 2004, 05:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Mar 25 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Meni@Mar 25 2004, 09:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 25 2004, 12:41 AM
Meni I have a question for you
Are you concerned about feeding the hungry in this country?
oh Vick I didn't see this till I replied to Peaches
how she points out how space exploration helps everyone
and i should learn to use google
ok
i know google a bit
to the worth of $150K in 2 months for PARIS HILTON
lick me thank you
And being the sudden knee-jerk political junkie that you've become since Stern decided to become one, I am sure that you took that entire $150k and handed it over to a food bank, yes?
Or a stem-cell research facility?

(I knew better than to click on this thread. Really I did. I ignored it for as long as I could and finally had nothing else to read. I should listen to myself more often. :headwall: )[/b][/quote]
We are talking about Bush wasting money
not Meni wasting money

[Meni]

Originally posted by AM Jeff@Mar 26 2004, 12:21 AM
Meni, I have no problem helping people who NEED help and want to help themselves. But our society, we have too many that want handouts and don't care a rats ass about doing anything for themselves.

But, at the same time. You have to spread the money ALL around.

Hey now..Bush isn't the ONLY president that has spent money on all other programs, not only the space program. ALL of them have for the last 60 years. ALL of them.

Even if your chosen president that you want elected, would also choose to spend money on the space program.

Besides, you never know what space exploration may bring. Someday the cure for some of the worst desieses known to man.
Jeff stem cell will bring more to curing diseases
than flying to Mars

[Meni]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Mar 25 2004, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Mar 25 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Mar 25 2004, 06:24 AM
Go to Mars! How about something exciting from NASA? Something exciting enough to get more young kids interested in science. NASA has put all kinds of great observatories in space the past 20 years and has sent probes to and by other planets. A lot of real science has been done. What has been missing is the human factor -- the human factor that caused a generation of kids to grow up wanting to be astronauts like Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. Rovers don't make good role models.
Spot on there Colin!! :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
We go to space
not one cares
name an astronaut
you can only name the DEAD TEACHER

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 26 2004, 03:58 PM
name an astronaut
Can you name the astronauts that set foot on the moon?

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 06:35 AM
How about spending it on stem cell research
so instead of PRAYING that some kid in a wheelchair can walk
he can actually walk some day
Meni,

What about those kids working hard in the foreign wheelchair factories? How are they going to earn a living if everyone can walk?