Lets Bomb Iraq

[Meni]

Suck on this Bush Lovers
Bush sucks (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash60.htm)

[Mike AI]

Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....

[PornoDoggy]

Meni, that's old news. It's still disturbing, but it's been reported for some time.

So in this thread it's about the Iraqi people, Mikey? :rolleyes:

Do you really think that the average Iraqi you seem so glad to liberate from the oppressive (and oil-rich) Saddam regime feels so relieved at not being worried about being swept up by Saddam's secret police that they are willing to accept the anarchy that comes along with the "occupation-lite" that an essentially unilateral operation requires?

Is it better for the Iraqi people to no longer fear the government but be afraid to leave their homes after dark?

I don't think the world is one damned bit safer now that Saddam has gone. From the looks of things, Iraq is not one damned bit safer now that Saddam has gone.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 19 2004, 10:23 PM
Meni, that's old news. It's still disturbing, but it's been reported for some time.

So in this thread it's about the Iraqi people, Mikey? :rolleyes:

Do you really think that the average Iraqi you seem so glad to liberate from the oppressive (and oil-rich) Saddam regime feels so relieved at not being worried about being swept up by Saddam's secret police that they are willing to accept the anarchy that comes along with the "occupation-lite" that an essentially unilateral operation requires?

Is it better for the Iraqi people to no longer fear the government but be afraid to leave their homes after dark?

I don't think the world is one damned bit safer now that Saddam has gone. From the looks of things, Iraq is not one damned bit safer now that Saddam has gone.


I guess you did not see the ABC/BBC poll released then? A majority of Iraqis think they are better off now then a year ago. A HUGE 72%+ majority say things will be even better in the future.

But honestly I don't give a shit what they think.... I am happy we have a great base for our troops in a bad neighborhood.

[TheEnforcer]

I think the focus of this thread is getting off target. The REAL issue is Rumsfeld and Bush were STUPID enough to actually not care about really going after Al Qaeda but instead were more interested in making a big show of things and had to be talked out of it.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 07:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....

Do you think all the American children who now have no fathers would be better off if Saddam was still allowed to have his rape squads, torture chambers, and mass graves?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Mar 19 2004, 10:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Mar 19 2004, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 07:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....

Do you think all the American children who now have no fathers would be better off if Saddam was still allowed to have his rape squads, torture chambers, and mass graves?[/b][/quote]


Honestly I think when they become adults they will.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 10:32 PM
But honestly I don't give a shit what they think.... I am happy we have a great base for our troops in a bad neighborhood.
Oh, I know that ... that's why I think it's abusrd of you to post drivel like Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....

Why don't you just come right and say "fuck the Iraqis?" A little honesty never hurt anybody, bud. EMBRACE your imperialism ...

Besides ... whether the world or Iraq would be better or worse off if Saddam had remained in power is totally irrelevant to a discussion about what the focus on Iraq in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks signifies.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 07:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
Mike, what a dumb fuck argument. Where was the US when much, much worse was happening in Cambodia? Arguably the worst genocide in history. I think you were dropping death from above from B-52's. I didn't see a rush to judgement nor did I see Pol Pot rotting in an American gaol. Everyone knew that as soon as W won the election he was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq because his father failed so badly. Unfortunately, W has fucked it up even more than his daddy. It is plain as day. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck. Its a duck.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Mar 19 2004, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Mar 19 2004, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Mar 19 2004, 10:42 PM
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Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....

Do you think all the American children who now have no fathers would be better off if Saddam was still allowed to have his rape squads, torture chambers, and mass graves?


Honestly I think when they become adults they will.[/b][/quote]

How did you manage to make it so successfully all these years while Saddam was running willy knilly gassing and raping his people for sport?

I would rather let Saddam fuck HIS own people then not have my father. Call me selfish.



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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 19 2004, 10:23 PM
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Do you really think that the average Iraqi you seem so glad to liberate from the oppressive (and oil-rich) Saddam regime feels so relieved at not being worried about being swept up by Saddam's secret police that they are willing to accept the anarchy that comes along with the "occupation-lite" that an essentially unilateral operation requires?


you missed the footage of iraqdies beating the shit out of another iraqi who stepped out of the truck which later blew up.

I say those average iraqies were quite happy to catch the mothefucker....but...I know, PD, we shouldn't beleive our own eyes.

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Mar 19 2004, 10:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Mar 19 2004, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 07:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....

Do you think all the American children who now have no fathers would be better off if Saddam was still allowed to have his rape squads, torture chambers, and mass graves?[/b][/quote]
Roman Empire was strong when Roman children lost their fathers in the war.
When Roman fathers have decided, let's have a party! get orgy! get high, shroomss....
100 years later Roman children were killed by west gotts who invaded the Empire and marched all the way to Rome.

Expecting the crack head to see beyond his nose is exersize in futility,
forgive him, Mike
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 02:54 AM

Roman Empire was strong when Roman children lost their fathers in the war.
When Roman fathers have decided, let's have a party! get orgy! get high, shroomss....
100 years later Roman children were killed by west gotts who invaded the Empire and marched all the way to Rome.

Expecting the crack head to see beyond his nose is exersize in futility,
forgive him, Mike
;-))))

Wow, nothing like showcasing your ignorance of Roman history.

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Mar 20 2004, 06:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Mar 20 2004, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 02:54 AM

Roman Empire was strong when Roman children lost their fathers in the war.
When Roman fathers have decided, let's have a party! get orgy! get high, shroomss....
100 years later Roman children were killed by west gotts who invaded the Empire and marched all the way to Rome.

Expecting the crack head to see beyond his nose is exersize in futility,
forgive him, Mike
;-))))

Wow, nothing like showcasing your ignorance of Roman history.[/b][/quote]
then why you do it?

I know, I know this is a stupid question,
you show your ignorance on ALL present subjects, why history should be any different?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 07:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
Here you go Mikey. I am sure you will be more than happy to launch a campaign to get American troops into Africa since you seem to think that was a good reason to invade Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 03:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 03:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Mar 20 2004, 06:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 02:54 AM

Roman Empire was strong when Roman children lost their fathers in the war.
When Roman fathers have decided, let's have a party! get orgy! get high, shroomss....
100 years later Roman children were killed by west gotts who invaded the Empire and marched all the way to Rome.

Expecting the crack head to see beyond his nose is exersize in futility,
forgive him, Mike
;-))))

Wow, nothing like showcasing your ignorance of Roman history.
then why you do it?

I know, I know this is a stupid question,
you show your ignorance on ALL present subjects, why history should be any different?[/b][/quote]
Serge, read this and you might want to rethink your earlier post. You might even be perceptive enough to draw a few economic parallels here.

http://www.humanist.de/erik/Downfall_of_Rome/rome.htm

[TheEnforcer]

YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THE INITIAL POST!!!

Damn! Stay on topic people.

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I did and it only confirms what I posted:

http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/course...14romefell.html (http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/14romefell.html)

There was the cost of repairing and maintaining the temples, public baths, and the like. There were also heavy expenditures for civic sacrifices, religious processions, feasts and for the games necessary to amuse the proletariat. The wealthy citizens of the municipalities who were, in effect, the middle-class, began to grow weary of the load: especially since the constantly rising taxation rates were shearing them closer and closer.


All these expenditures had to be recovered from the taxpayer. To compound the difficulties, there was an adverse balance of trade. Roman currency, for example, poured into India and the East to pay for luxuries. Even in the time of Nero, Seneca estimated that it cost Rome five million dollars a year to import its luxuries from the East. In a word, though seemingly prosperous, in the second century AD the Roman empire was overspending to such an extent that it was moving to an economic crisis. When in 167 AD Marcus Aurelius was faced by the attack of the Germanic Marcomanni and Quadi, he was forced to sell, is it were, the crown jewels as well as the household furnishing of his palace to finance the war.


A sense of futility seemed to permeate society. There were many outstanding administrators and good governors but, on the whole, the Roman spirit which had conquered the world seemed to have dissolved into an indolence which preferred ease and comfort to a facing up to the dangers which threatened civilization.

need more?

click the URL above...



why beating ignoramuses on the FACTS is so easy?

damn....

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and Bush does the right thing not to follow the steps of Romans, which led them to their demise:

Bush:
1) LOWERS TAXES
and
2) Doesn't ignore the threats to civilization

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:18 AM



A sense of futility seemed to permeate society. There were many outstanding administrators and good governors but, on the whole, the Roman spirit which had conquered the world seemed to have dissolved into an indolence which preferred ease and comfort to a facing up to the dangers which threatened civilization.



Woooow, way to prove that the people got depressed during the empires decline.

What were you trying to prove again?


When Roman fathers have decided, let's have a party! get orgy! get high, shroomss....


Your article claims they partied during the decline, not that it caused the decline of the Roman empire. I suggest you read the whole article and not just google snippets.

You quoted an article that proved you wrong and then you dance around about it?

I wont even go Peaches on you and nitpick dates, but suffice to say you are wrong. But what is new?


You poor retard, its not even fun anymore.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:18 AM
I did and it only confirms what I posted:

http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/course...14romefell.html (http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/14romefell.html)

There was the cost of repairing and maintaining the temples, public baths, and the like. There were also heavy expenditures for civic sacrifices, religious processions, feasts and for the games necessary to amuse the proletariat. The wealthy citizens of the municipalities who were, in effect, the middle-class, began to grow weary of the load: especially since the constantly rising taxation rates were shearing them closer and closer.


All these expenditures had to be recovered from the taxpayer. To compound the difficulties, there was an adverse balance of trade. Roman currency, for example, poured into India and the East to pay for luxuries. Even in the time of Nero, Seneca estimated that it cost Rome five million dollars a year to import its luxuries from the East. In a word, though seemingly prosperous, in the second century AD the Roman empire was overspending to such an extent that it was moving to an economic crisis. When in 167 AD Marcus Aurelius was faced by the attack of the Germanic Marcomanni and Quadi, he was forced to sell, is it were, the crown jewels as well as the household furnishing of his palace to finance the war.


A sense of futility seemed to permeate society. There were many outstanding administrators and good governors but, on the whole, the Roman spirit which had conquered the world seemed to have dissolved into an indolence which preferred ease and comfort to a facing up to the dangers which threatened civilization.

need more?

click the URL above...



why beating ignoramuses on the FACTS is so easy?

damn....
It ain't easy.
"To add to his troubles a plague, brought back from the East, was ravaging the empire. By 180 AD at least one-fourth of the population of the whole empire, both civilian and military, had perished."
Debauchery was just one of the causes. I still rest my case because you haven't made yours. Once again.
Toying with rednecks is good sport.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:22 AM
and Bush does the right thing not to follow the steps of Romans, which led them to their demise:

Bush:
1) LOWERS TAXES
and
2) Doesn't ignore the threats to civilization
Serge, you gotta read the articles you quote. Bush is stretching the limits of the American empire. Raising a local army in Iraq. Like the Romans, Bush cannot afford the empire. Cutting taxes will do nothing because he is just creating a trickle up economy that will cure nothing. If you lived in the Soviet Union you should already realise this. Damn you are easy.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Mar 20 2004, 05:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Mar 20 2004, 05:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:18 AM



A sense of futility seemed to permeate society. There were many outstanding administrators and good governors but, on the whole, the Roman spirit which had conquered the world seemed to have dissolved into an indolence which preferred ease and comfort to a facing up to the dangers which threatened civilization.



Woooow, way to prove that the people got depressed during the empires decline.

What were you trying to prove again?


When Roman fathers have decided, let's have a party! get orgy! get high, shroomss....


Your article claims they partied during the decline, not that it caused the decline of the Roman empire. I suggest you read the whole article and not just google snippets.

You quoted an article that proved you wrong and then you dance around about it?

I wont even go Peaches on you and nitpick dates, but suffice to say you are wrong. But what is new?


You poor retard, its not even fun anymore.[/b][/quote]
This is Serge Oprano's SOP. Drive by wisdom based on nothing. I think it is just his way of keeping his board busy. He rarely gets his facts straight. It could just be a language problem.

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 20 2004, 08:54 AM


You quoted an article that proved you wrong and then you dance around about it?


you fail to comprehend what's written,
but I'll be sticking it up into your thick head 'till one of us leaves the board:

A sense of futility seemed to permeate society. There were many outstanding administrators and good governors but, on the whole, the Roman spirit which had conquered the world seemed to have dissolved into an indolence which preferred ease and comfort to a facing up to the dangers which threatened civilization.

re-read this, momorize this, analyze this.

I know, I know, asking you to analyze anything that early in the mrning before you got your drugs fix is mission impossible but...
I've completed harder missions in life
;-))))

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J'sdude, does doc taking good care of you? what is your current paxil dose?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:08 AM
J'sdude, does doc taking good care of you? what is your current paxil dose?
I don't have to momorize anything. I read the article. You need to re read it. I don't like to debate with the ill informed. Have you been drinking this early Serge? I know it is an eastern european custom, but cheap vodka makes for lousy posting. Maybe you should recover before you embarrass yourself again.

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 09:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:08 AM
J'sdude, does doc taking good care of you? what is your current paxil dose?
I don't have to momorize anything. I read the article. You need to re read it. I don't like to debate with the ill informed. Have you been drinking this early Serge? I know it is an eastern european custom, but cheap vodka makes for lousy posting. Maybe you should recover before you embarrass yourself again.[/b][/quote]
J'sdude, you are the reason americans do not want have "socialized medecine" Canadian style.

Mental patients get very poor attention....what a pity.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 06:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 09:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:08 AM
J'sdude, does doc taking good care of you? what is your current paxil dose?
I don't have to momorize anything. I read the article. You need to re read it. I don't like to debate with the ill informed. Have you been drinking this early Serge? I know it is an eastern european custom, but cheap vodka makes for lousy posting. Maybe you should recover before you embarrass yourself again.
J'sdude, you are the reason americans do not want have "socialized medecine" Canadian style.

Mental patients get very poor attention....what a pity.[/b][/quote]
You do have the twelve step programme in Fla, don't you Serge? Maybe you should put on your best white belt and checked jacket and head on down. Or maybe just buy better vodka. You remember our Vodka discussion don't you?

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Labret, please introduce jdude to shroooms....

he can't get any worse, shrooms will soften his sufferings

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:29 AM
Labret, please introduce jdude to shroooms....

he can't get any worse, shrooms will soften his sufferings
I have forgotten more about shrooms than you will ever know. Serge you constantly amaze me with your ignorance of anything important. Apart from making money, you aren't much use at all, really. Now I know you can afford rehab, but AA is free and I hear it works.

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Originally posted by J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 09:33 AM

I have forgotten more about shrooms than you will ever know.
Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 09:33 AM

I have forgotten more about shrooms than you will ever know.
Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....[/b][/quote]
Serge, if you go to continuing education, stop drinking, and travel a little more, you too could end up like me. But I don't think its in the cards. I don't think you have the right stuff. I could be wrong. Lots of Soviets have managed to better themselves. You could be one of them if you try hard.

[AM Jeff]

Saddam only buddied the UN and the world for 12 yrs after the war. Plus after njumerous santions. After all the BS Saddam has done, as mentioned above, rape squads, killing his own people and etc. You don't think, enough was enough?

It was a matter of time before Saddam either let the Al Quada or God only knows, happen or let in.

Only way to get rid of the Tyrant, was to go to war with him.
If anything, Iraq is a better place without him.

Sure things will be rough for his people, for a while.
Life is never easy after war.

But, at least, his people have a right to choose their future, even more...than they ever did before.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM

Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....

As oppossed to what? Not eating them and ending up like you?

No thanks.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Mar 20 2004, 06:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Mar 20 2004, 06:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM

Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....

As oppossed to what? Not eating them and ending up like you?

No thanks.[/b][/quote]
Scarey thought.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by AM Jeff@Mar 20 2004, 06:44 AM
Saddam only buddied the UN and the world for 12 yrs after the war. Plus after njumerous santions. After all the BS Saddam has done, as mentioned above, rape squads, killing his own people and etc. You don't think, enough was enough?

It was a matter of time before Saddam either let the Al Quada or God only knows, happen or let in.

Only way to get rid of the Tyrant, was to go to war with him.
If anything, Iraq is a better place without him.

Sure things will be rough for his people, for a while.
Life is never easy after war.

But, at least, his people have a right to choose their future, even more...than they ever did before.
The world is full of freekin tyrants and tin pot dictators. Will America be invading them as well?
How about Saudi Arabia as the first step. Force them to have elections and become a democracy. Ain't gonna happen.

Oh yeah, and Saudis funded and nurtured Al Quaeda and probably are more of a threat than Iraq ever was.



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[Buff]

PD, just to clarify...

If Kerry is elected, he should pull our troops out and put Saddam and his cronies back in power?

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 09:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 09:33 AM

I have forgotten more about shrooms than you will ever know.
Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....
Serge, if you go to continuing education, stop drinking, and travel a little more, you too could end up like me. But I don't think its in the cards. I don't think you have the right stuff. I could be wrong. Lots of Soviets have managed to better themselves. You could be one of them if you try hard.[/b][/quote]
is there board foir canadien mental patients?

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Mar 20 2004, 09:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Mar 20 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM

Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....

As oppossed to what? Not eating them and ending up like you?

No thanks.[/b][/quote]
hmmm...I am not THAT bad looking...beaatch!
;-)))

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 06:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 06:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 06:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 09:33 AM

I have forgotten more about shrooms than you will ever know.
Labret,
do you see now what overindulgence with shrooms lead to???

you gonna end up like jdude....
Serge, if you go to continuing education, stop drinking, and travel a little more, you too could end up like me. But I don't think its in the cards. I don't think you have the right stuff. I could be wrong. Lots of Soviets have managed to better themselves. You could be one of them if you try hard.
is there board foir canadien mental patients?[/b][/quote]
Serge, Serge, Serge. How about a new thought. Or is that all you got left to say. Whenever you lose a debate, you trot out the moron or mental patient schtick. Whenever I cruise your board and see this, I just scroll up to see who took you apart. It is the first immutable law of Oprano. The capitulation of Serge.

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I can't beleive the modern medecine is incapable of helping him
;-(((

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:06 AM
I can't beleive the modern medecine is incapable of helping him
;-(((
You did it again. Bingo. Wouldn't want to break the first law of Oprano. I mean you wrote the book right?
Dudeyou are like the Dance Band on The Titanic. But at least they knew they were sinking like a sunset.



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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:06 AM
I can't beleive the modern medecine is incapable of helping him
;-(((
You did it again. Bingo. Wouldn't want to break the first law of Oprano. I mean you wrote the book right?
Dudeyou are like the Dance Band on The Titanic. But at least they knew they were sinking like a sunset.[/b][/quote]
did you try electroshock therapy?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:10 AM
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I can't beleive the modern medecine is incapable of helping him
;-(((
You did it again. Bingo. Wouldn't want to break the first law of Oprano. I mean you wrote the book right?
Dudeyou are like the Dance Band on The Titanic. But at least they knew they were sinking like a sunset.
did you try electroshock therapy?[/b][/quote]
Why?

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:10 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:06 AM
I can't beleive the modern medecine is incapable of helping him
;-(((
You did it again. Bingo. Wouldn't want to break the first law of Oprano. I mean you wrote the book right?
Dudeyou are like the Dance Band on The Titanic. But at least they knew they were sinking like a sunset.
did you try electroshock therapy?
Why?[/b][/quote]
to help your mental condition

[Meni]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 07:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 07:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 07:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
Here you go Mikey. I am sure you will be more than happy to launch a campaign to get American troops into Africa since you seem to think that was a good reason to invade Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm[/b][/quote]
Yeah Mike those guys are BAD
go get em

[Meni]

It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away

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Originally posted by Meni+Mar 20 2004, 10:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 20 2004, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 07:26 AM
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Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
Here you go Mikey. I am sure you will be more than happy to launch a campaign to get American troops into Africa since you seem to think that was a good reason to invade Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3549325.stm
Yeah Mike those guys are BAD
go get em[/b][/quote]
typical liberals...

first reaction:
Go get them!

follow up reaction:
you shouldn't go there, USA is not world police!

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Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster!

[Meni]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 10:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster![/b][/quote]
here comes the HowardStern oprano id

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster![/b][/quote]
Who cares Serge?

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Originally posted by Meni+Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster!
here comes the HowardStern oprano id[/b][/quote]
"kill the white men, kell the white men..."
;-)))

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster!
Who cares Serge?[/b][/quote]
Menahem Begin, your friend, he cares, along with your other imagenary friend Napoleon

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 07:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
Yeah, if he didn't have his finger on the delete button, he would be totally out of his depth. He couldn't debate a freekin chimpanzee and win.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster!
Who cares Serge?
Menahem Begin, your friend, he cares, along with your other imagenary friend Napoleon[/b][/quote]
Which friends are those, big boy? How's Howie by the way?

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Originally posted by J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:31 AM

Yeah, if he didn't have his finger on the delete button, he would be totally out of his depth. He couldn't debate a freekin chimpanzee and win.
nobody can win againt mental patients and their army of imaginary friends
;-)

How is Ariel Sharon doing today?

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:25 AM
It's Serge's board
he can do with it what he wants
if he gets his ass handed to him in a discussion
he can change the subject
he can insult you
he can complement you
he can bend over and take it
he can walk away
yeap and I can even have Stern as a guest poster!
Who cares Serge?
Menahem Begin, your friend, he cares, along with your other imagenary friend Napoleon
Which friends are those, big boy? How's Howie by the way?[/b][/quote]
Meni, that was for you
;-))))

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the views/post ratio of this thread is 3.92

please make 56 more posts so it can be even 2 like
"person above you" threads on other baords
;-))))

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:31 AM

Yeah, if he didn't have his finger on the delete button, he would be totally out of his depth. He couldn't debate a freekin chimpanzee and win.
nobody can win againt mental patients and their army of imaginary friends
;-)

How is Ariel Sharon doing today?[/b][/quote]
Nobody can win against a liar with the kill switch. Dudeyou are like Rush Limbaugh, but he can at least debate. He just tells even bigger lies than Serge Oprano.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:36 AM
the views/post ratio of this thread is 3.92

please make 56 more posts so it can be even 2 like
"person above you" threads on other baords
;-))))
Who cares?

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:31 AM

Yeah, if he didn't have his finger on the delete button, he would be totally out of his depth. He couldn't debate a freekin chimpanzee and win.
nobody can win againt mental patients and their army of imaginary friends
;-)

How is Ariel Sharon doing today?
Nobody can win against a liar with the kill switch. Dudeyou are like Rush Limbaugh, but he can at least debate. He just tells even bigger lies than Serge Oprano.[/b][/quote]
jdude,
fart and smell the roses:

http://oreckcleanair.com/images/do.jpghttp://oreckcleanair.com/images/center.gifhttp://oreckcleanair.com/images/right.gif

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:31 AM

Yeah, if he didn't have his finger on the delete button, he would be totally out of his depth. He couldn't debate a freekin chimpanzee and win.
nobody can win againt mental patients and their army of imaginary friends
;-)

How is Ariel Sharon doing today?
Nobody can win against a liar with the kill switch. Dudeyou are like Rush Limbaugh, but he can at least debate. He just tells even bigger lies than Serge Oprano.
jdude,
fart and smell the roses:

http://oreckcleanair.com/images/right.gif[/b][/quote]
That was intelligent. Keep em comin big boy. Your making that sack of nails look smarter by the minute.

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can you quote the post right without butchering it?
how much intelligence does THAT take?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:42 AM
can you quote the post right without butchering it?
how much intelligence does THAT take?
Would that be two pounds of nails or four? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt....make it four.
Edit:
Serge I was told you were a living legend of piss and vinegar on the boards. What happened to you? Is it age or alcohol?



Last edited by J'sdude at Mar 20 2004, 07:44 AM

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can you do the rest of 56 posts on your own?

just follow the rules of "person above you"

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:42 AM
can you quote the post right without butchering it?
how much intelligence does THAT take?
Would that be two pounds of nails or four? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt....make it four.
Edit:
Serge I was told you were a living legend of piss and vinegar on the boards. What happened to you? Is it age or alcohol?[/b][/quote]
my parents taught me to be patient with mental patients
;-)
no glory in killing them
;-)))

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:45 AM
can you do the rest of 56 posts on your own?

just follow the rules of "person above you"
So you caved? Come on Serge, one more mental patient remark. Or better still, back up some of your lies about my "friends". Nah you won't do that.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:42 AM
can you quote the post right without butchering it?
how much intelligence does THAT take?
Would that be two pounds of nails or four? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt....make it four.
Edit:
Serge I was told you were a living legend of piss and vinegar on the boards. What happened to you? Is it age or alcohol?
my parents taught me to be patient with mental patients
;-)
no glory in killing them
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Ah there it is....the mental patient gambit. Good on you. When the going gets tough, the Opranos fold.

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:45 AM
can you do the rest of 56 posts on your own?

just follow the rules of "person above you"
So you caved? Come on Serge, one more mental patient remark. Or better still, back up some of your lies about my "friends". Nah you won't do that.[/b][/quote]
yeah, tell us how Stalin was asking your opinion
;-))))

JMM, I'm gonna charge you "waste management fee" for dropping turds on Oprano
;_)))

Thank you for expose, thouhg
;-)))

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:42 AM
can you quote the post right without butchering it?
how much intelligence does THAT take?
Would that be two pounds of nails or four? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt....make it four.
Edit:
Serge I was told you were a living legend of piss and vinegar on the boards. What happened to you? Is it age or alcohol?
my parents taught me to be patient with mental patients
;-)
no glory in killing them
;-)))
Ah there it is....the mental patient gambit. Good on you. When the going gets tough, the Opranos fold.[/b][/quote]
tough? hahahahahahhaha,
how does your diagnoses pronounced in Latin?

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the current
views/post ratio is at
3.6...
we are getting there!

confucy's thread is close to 20,
you can't generate interest in your mentally chalenged persona
;-((

what a useless fuck!
;-))))

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 07:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 10:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:42 AM
can you quote the post right without butchering it?
how much intelligence does THAT take?
Would that be two pounds of nails or four? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt....make it four.
Edit:
Serge I was told you were a living legend of piss and vinegar on the boards. What happened to you? Is it age or alcohol?
my parents taught me to be patient with mental patients
;-)
no glory in killing them
;-)))
Ah there it is....the mental patient gambit. Good on you. When the going gets tough, the Opranos fold.
tough? hahahahahahhaha,
how does your diagnoses pronounced in Latin?[/b][/quote]
Dudeyou can barely pronounce it in English. How would Latin help. You know you gotta get outta Fla. You are becoming Morty Seinfeld. What happened to your legendary wit? Give us a demonstration and dazzle us all. One more timedude....please tell me who I said my "friends" are or apologize for lying again. Is it a chronic problem you have. What is the Latin for compulsive liar?

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still at 3.6....

make more posts

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:55 AM
still at 3.6....

make more posts
Who cares?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:55 AM
still at 3.6....

make more posts
You know, my video is just about rendered and I am bored with debating an idiot liar, so I think I will go out and hit a few golf balls. Have fun in your suburban dream Serge. You don't have to beat yourself up over losing your edge. It can happen to anyone. Even Ronald Reagan and he was smarter than you to begin with.

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 10:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:55 AM
still at 3.6....

make more posts
Who cares?[/b][/quote]
I do...I sell your impressions to sponsors and the last thing I want is to hear from them about low productivity...

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 11:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:55 AM
still at 3.6....

make more posts
You know, my video is just about rendered and I am bored with debating an idiot liar, so I think I will go out and hit a few golf balls. Have fun in your suburban dream Serge. You don't have to beat yourself up over losing your edge. It can happen to anyone. Even Ronald Reagan and he was smarter than you to begin with.[/b][/quote]
running away? don't wanna miss your therapist session? run, forest, run!
;-))))

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 08:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 08:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 11:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:55 AM
still at 3.6....

make more posts
You know, my video is just about rendered and I am bored with debating an idiot liar, so I think I will go out and hit a few golf balls. Have fun in your suburban dream Serge. You don't have to beat yourself up over losing your edge. It can happen to anyone. Even Ronald Reagan and he was smarter than you to begin with.
running away? don't wanna miss your therapist session? run, forest, run!
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Morty, talk to the hand.

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 11:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 11:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 11:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 07:55 AM
still at 3.6....

make more posts
You know, my video is just about rendered and I am bored with debating an idiot liar, so I think I will go out and hit a few golf balls. Have fun in your suburban dream Serge. You don't have to beat yourself up over losing your edge. It can happen to anyone. Even Ronald Reagan and he was smarter than you to begin with.
running away? don't wanna miss your therapist session? run, forest, run!
;-))))
Morty, talk to the hand.[/b][/quote]
whatever woiks for you, give your therapist my regards

[Meni]

Serge can't win this
Serge can win
a debate about Russian vodka
a debate about Russian street hookers
a debate about Mel Gibson
a debate about MikeW's sexuality

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Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 11:32 AM
Serge can't win this
Serge can win
a debate about Russian vodka
a debate about Russian street hookers
a debate about Mel Gibson
a debate about MikeW's sexuality
Meni, c'mon, you forgot Rome and "mental state of a poster"

other than that it's all fine
;-)))

[Mike AI]

This is an exciting process.

We are watching how someone who has never been interested in politics before, be brainswashed into being a democrat. I have never seen a democrat be made.... I always knew the tried to find those with weak minds, who are easily riled up with class warfare....

Meni congradulations for almot completeing the process!!

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 08:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 08:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 11:32 AM
Serge can't win this
Serge can win
a debate about Russian vodka
a debate about Russian street hookers
a debate about Mel Gibson
a debate about MikeW's sexuality
Meni, c'mon, you forgot Rome and "mental state of a poster"

other than that it's all fine
;-)))[/b][/quote]
except for the Russian Vodka. He failed that test a few weeks ago. I think the expression is shit from Shinola.

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Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 12:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 12:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 08:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 20 2004, 11:32 AM
Serge can't win this
Serge can win
a debate about Russian vodka
a debate about Russian street hookers
a debate about Mel Gibson
a debate about MikeW's sexuality
Meni, c'mon, you forgot Rome and "mental state of a poster"

other than that it's all fine
;-)))
except for the Russian Vodka. He failed that test a few weeks ago. I think the expression is shit from Shinola.[/b][/quote]
shock therapy failed
;-(

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2004, 09:55 AM
PD, just to clarify...

If Kerry is elected, he should pull our troops out and put Saddam and his cronies back in power?
Buff, I'm going to assume that's some form of rhetorical question. If the question is even partially serious, you either have no reading comprehension skills whatsovever, or you are just plain stupid.

The damage that GW and his minions have done to the credibility of the United States by the way this war was "sold" is substantial - but nothing like what could happen if we withdrew before the job is done. Don't confuse me with the mental midgets that think we can just say "oops - we made a mistake" and immediately "bring the boys home." You may (if you have the capability of understanding it, which this question causes me to doubt) have seen a post I made in another thread that said essentially tha if Kerry is sworn in next January, it will be "Kerry's war" by September.

I have never defended Saddam's regime. Nobody with the reading comprehension skills of a third-world illegal immigrant public school 6th grader from a single-parent home on welfare can conclude that I have. My objections to the war with Saddam center on the unilateral nature of it. My objections to the war with Saddam relate to the patently false way it was tied into the war on terror.

[Meni]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 20 2004, 11:44 AM
This is an exciting process.

We are watching how someone who has never been interested in politics before, be brainswashed into being a democrat. I have never seen a democrat be made.... I always knew the tried to find those with weak minds, who are easily riled up with class warfare....

Meni congradulations for almot completeing the process!!
oh so you have to brainwashed to hate BUSH
he fuckin sucks dude
you only care about terror/security
and if you checked 9/11 came on Bush's duty
and he caught?
you feel safer?
you ever travel?
thats safer?
we are on high alert all the time
thats it
keep us in fear and you want GW up
he fuckin sucks
that religious fuckin freak
Mike you got your money you just want tax breaks and no foreigners near you
You dont' give a shit about freedom

[Meni]

copy and paste from some book review
Rampton and Stauber unmask the impact of "information warriors and perception managers" (as one PR consultant described himself) on Bush's attempt to turn public opinion in favor of war on Iraq. The authors deconstruct the PR campaign to promote the U.S. in the wake of September 11: the State Department's hiring of ad exec Charlotte Beers ("the queen of Madison Avenue") to direct the campaign; how PR execs and lobbyists helped construct the government's anti-Iraq message; the administration's alleged misinformation and distortion of facts and reliance on rumor to influence public opinion.

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Meni,
can you make in 5 lines why you gonna vote Bush?

[Meni]

5 lines you should vote for Bush
for MikeAI
go MIke


Home Security?
Home Security?
Tax cut for the Rich?
home SecuRITY
home Security?

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meni,
when did you join the ranks of the Republican party?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:32 PM
meni,
when did you join the ranks of the Republican party?
they only party i'll join is one like this
Best Party (http://www.meni.net/party)



Last edited by Meni at Mar 20 2004, 06:33 PM

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 20 2004, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 20 2004, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Mar 20 2004, 09:55 AM
PD, just to clarify...

If Kerry is elected, he should pull our troops out and put Saddam and his cronies back in power?
Buff, I'm going to assume that's some form of rhetorical question. If the question is even partially serious, you either have no reading comprehension skills whatsovever, or you are just plain stupid.

The damage that GW and his minions have done to the credibility of the United States by the way this war was "sold" is substantial - but nothing like what could happen if we withdrew before the job is done. Don't confuse me with the mental midgets that think we can just say "oops - we made a mistake" and immediately "bring the boys home." You may (if you have the capability of understanding it, which this question causes me to doubt) have seen a post I made in another thread that said essentially tha if Kerry is sworn in next January, it will be "Kerry's war" by September.

I have never defended Saddam's regime. Nobody with the reading comprehension skills of a third-world illegal immigrant public school 6th grader from a single-parent home on welfare can conclude that I have. My objections to the war with Saddam center on the unilateral nature of it. My objections to the war with Saddam relate to the patently false way it was tied into the war on terror.[/b][/quote]
But didn't you also say that Iraq doesn't appear to be any better off now than it was under Hussein? So shouldn't we just admit we fucked up and try to make the country resemble what it was before we fucked it up, as best we can?

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2004, 06:34 PM
But didn't you also say that Iraq doesn't appear to be any better off now than it was under Hussein? So shouldn't we just admit we fucked up and try to make the country resemble what it was before we fucked it up, as best we can?
Yes, I did say that Iraq doesn't appear to be any better off now than it was under Hussein - although I think it was in response to a post by Mike AI about how much better off the Iraqis are now.

However, if that statement causes you to assume I even view "returning" Iraq to Saddam and his cronies as an option, I strongly suggest you find yourself a [i]trial lawyer [end sneering tone] and sue any/all private schools you may have attended before any form of [insert reverential tone here] tort reform [end reverential tone] is implemented, because you got ripped off - BAD.

If it was a rhetorical trick, then either you did very well in woodworking, or see above.

BTW ... how to you go from referring to me saying Iraq "doesn't appear to be any better off" to assuming I believe that "we fucked it up"? That's a considerable leap there, don't you think?

Iraq used to be a fairly combustable combination of mixture of Sunni, Shiite, and Kurds with a tight lid on it - but the lid was held in place by a guy with more than one screw loose. The guy with the screw loose is gone - and nobody is sorry he's gone except him - but the tight lid is off, and we've added Islamic extremists of all sorts and stripes to the mix.



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Originally posted by Meni+Mar 20 2004, 06:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 20 2004, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:32 PM
meni,
when did you join the ranks of the Republican party?
they only party i'll join is one like this
Best Party (http://www.meni.net/party)[/b][/quote]
meni, what happened to their faces??

http://meni.net/party/c16.jpg

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 20 2004, 07:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 20 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Mar 20 2004, 06:34 PM
But didn't you also say that Iraq doesn't appear to be any better off now than it was under Hussein? So shouldn't we just admit we fucked up and try to make the country resemble what it was before we fucked it up, as best we can?
Yes, I did say that Iraq doesn't appear to be any better off now than it was under Hussein - although I think it was in response to a post by Mike AI about how much better off the Iraqis are now.

However, if that statement causes you to assume I even view "returning" Iraq to Saddam and his cronies as an option, I strongly suggest you find yourself a [i]trial lawyer [end sneering tone] and sue any/all private schools you may have attended before any form of [insert reverential tone here] tort reform [end reverential tone] is implemented, because you got ripped off - BAD.

If it was a rhetorical trick, then either you did very well in woodworking, or see above.

BTW ... how to you go from referring to me saying Iraq "doesn't appear to be any better off" to assuming I believe that "we fucked it up"? That's a considerable leap there, don't you think?

Iraq used to be a fairly combustable combination of mixture of Sunni, Shiite, and Kurds with a tight lid on it - but the lid was held in place by a guy with more than one screw loose. The guy with the screw loose is gone - and nobody is sorry he's gone except him - but the tight lid is off, and we've added Islamic extremists of all sorts and stripes to the mix.[/b][/quote]
I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from. You seem to oppose the invasion and occupation, yet you seem not to want things to be the way they were before the invasion.

So basically, it seems like you're saying you like the ends, but the ends didn't justify the means. Or something like that. Is that close?

[dig420]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 10:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
so happy the administration spent billions of dollars to make those cameljockey's life better.

FUCK THOSE MUSLIMS

can you imagine what that much money could have done right here at home?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by dig420+Mar 20 2004, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dig420 @ Mar 20 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 10:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
so happy the administration spent billions of dollars to make those cameljockey's life better.

FUCK THOSE MUSLIMS

can you imagine what that much money could have done right here at home?[/b][/quote]
What do you think it could do?

[dig420]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 05:22 PM
5 lines you should vote for Bush
for MikeAI
go MIke


Home Security?
Home Security?
Tax cut for the Rich?
home SecuRITY
home Security?
As Benjamin Franklin once wrote, those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserves neither liberty nor security.

[dig420]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Mar 20 2004, 08:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Mar 20 2004, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -dig420@Mar 20 2004, 05:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 10:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
so happy the administration spent billions of dollars to make those cameljockey's life better.

FUCK THOSE MUSLIMS

can you imagine what that much money could have done right here at home?
What do you think it could do?[/b][/quote]
fix a couple of potholes eh? Bolster social security? lower the deficit? start the most well funded jobs program in history?

little things like that

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by dig420+Mar 20 2004, 05:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dig420 @ Mar 20 2004, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Mar 20 2004, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by -dig420@Mar 20 2004, 05:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 10:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
so happy the administration spent billions of dollars to make those cameljockey's life better.

FUCK THOSE MUSLIMS

can you imagine what that much money could have done right here at home?
What do you think it could do?
fix a couple of potholes eh? Bolster social security? lower the deficit? start the most well funded jobs program in history?

little things like that[/b][/quote]
Aw come on. You know that would never happen. That money would disappear faster than Morty Oprano can down a bottle of Grey Goose.

[dig420]

yeah. I guess we might as well give them the rest of it then.

[Meni]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 20 2004, 08:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 20 2004, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Meni@Mar 20 2004, 06:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Mar 20 2004, 05:32 PM
meni,
when did you join the ranks of the Republican party?
they only party i'll join is one like this
Best Party (http://www.meni.net/party)
meni, what happened to their faces??

http://meni.net/party/c16.jpg[/b][/quote]
Jenna was sad when she heard you were married

[Meni]

Originally posted by dig420+Mar 20 2004, 08:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dig420 @ Mar 20 2004, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 19 2004, 10:10 PM
Meni do you think the world would be better if Saddam and his sons were still running Iraq? Bring back the rape squads, torture chambers, mass graves....
so happy the administration spent billions of dollars to make those cameljockey's life better.

FUCK THOSE MUSLIMS

can you imagine what that much money could have done right here at home?[/b][/quote]
JOBS and EDUCATION baby
Bush sucks
f you republicans

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2004, 08:39 PM
I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from. You seem to oppose the invasion and occupation, yet you seem not to want things to be the way they were before the invasion.

So basically, it seems like you're saying you like the ends, but the ends didn't justify the means. Or something like that. Is that close?
I suppose that's close. Saddam was an evil guy. I thought Saddam was an evil guy when he was the darling of the Reagan Administration. I have never changed my opinion. I have never, however, been a subscriber to the "we had to destroy the village in order to save it" way of thinking.

First of all, I have never accepted the idea that Iraq was connected to the broader war on terror - Saddam's regiime had nothing in common with the likes of alQaida.

Secondly, I was in favor of the war when it appeared that the Bush Administration "had the goods" on Saddam's WMD programs and the like. When Colin Powell went in front of the U.N. General Assembly and performed more like an inept local prosecutor with no case at all, rather than Adli Stevenson during the Cuban Missle Crisis, I knew the administration was trying to sell the world a falsified bill of goods.

Regardless of the assurances of the Bush Administration, I believe that the war has taken assets away from the real war on terror. I believe that the unilateral nature of the invasion has damaged the U.S. reputation abroad, and will serve al Qaida's (or some other fundamentalist Islamic organization or state's) interests far more than our own over the long run.

In the short term, the Iraqi people have been relieved of fearing the government only to fear lawlessness and anarchy - and the somewhat esoteric concept of political liberty is esaping them at the moment.

In the long run, I suspect that we have unleashed forces that Saddam's regime kept in check. Mike pointed out a poll the other day where 72% of the Iraqis felt that things were going to get better. While that's encouraging, I wonder if there were not similar results in the immediate period after the fall of communism in Yugoslavia - and even absent the meddling of Iran in the Sunni/Shiite difficulties, or Syria/Turkey in the Kurds vs the world difficulties, it is not difficult to believe the possibility is ripe for the rise of a Mullah Milosovich.

I don't think the Bush Administration told the truth about why they went to war in Iraq. I don't think the Bush Administration had a plan for what to do with Iraq once we won - so while supporters of the war can bring up the positive effects of occupation of Germany and/or Japan all they want, the analogy doesn't hold - because we very definitely had a plan there. I don't think the Administration really has a fucking clue on what to do next. Specifically I think they are uncertain how they are going to turn power over to Iraqis on June 1 - to whom, under what form, or who will be doing what.

In short - the war was based on false pretenses, the planning for the inevitable victory was non-existent, and the current policy seems to be getting made up as we go along - which does not fit my definition of "focused."

What I am afraid of is that, in the war on terror, Iraq has or will become our Gallipoli.