Playboy settles with Acacia

[FightThePatent]

Read there: http://www.fightthepatent.com/v2/Playboy.html

Comment here.


Fight the Another One Bites the Dust!

[Mike AI]

Very disturbing.


This is the problem with attorneys and lawsuits, everyone just folds and sees it as part of business.

[FightThePatent]

"It's cheaper to keep her"



Fight the Big D!

[Mike AI]

I hate attorneys with a passion, and those who abuse the legal system to bully others. We need major tort & patent reform in this country before they kill business!!

There is a huge horde of attorneys scoping out every company that has deep pockets.... looking to rape and pilidge - or at least shake down a littl with some nusence lawsuits.

[FightThePatent]

(in a Charlton Heston voice)

Lawyers don't sue people, companies that hire lawyers sue people.




:rolleyes:




Fight the Guns-n-Roses!

[Nickatilynx]

errr....with Playboy ,Disney all doing deals..


Who is actually left fighting this patent?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by FightThePatent@Mar 15 2004, 10:37 AM
(in a Charlton Heston voice)

Lawyers don't sue people, companies that hire lawyers sue people.




:rolleyes:




Fight the Guns-n-Roses!
There are a lot of lawyers troiling around for big pay days. I am sure you have seen your fair share of TV commercials, bill boards, etc....

The tort system in the US has become like a lottery....

The sad thing is, it is ALL of us who are paying the bill!

[masterp74]

:errr....with Playboy ,Disney all doing deals..


Who is actually left fighting this patent?




good one Batman. I was just thinking that. I have to say the internet is going to start to boom again and it's time to move on and go get a piece of this new money coming to the industry.




:salute:



Last edited by masterp74 at Mar 15 2004, 08:52 AM

[RawAlex]

Nick, exactly what they want you to think. I think it is important to note that both of these "blockbuster" deals are "terms not disclosed"... which translates roughly to "We made a sweetheart deal to be able to use their name"...

If the license fee gets small enough, it is easy to figure that the reward (saved back payments for all the time from 1991 onward) @2% is less than the expense of signing (sweetheart deal, $0 for any thing before signing, fixed rate soft payment for 7 years, etc). Risk of multi millions compared to a much lower expense spread over 7 years, with the chance of a reprieve if the copyright is struck down in that time frame.

Really, it is simple math. Acacia could have avoided almost all legal if they had come to the table with a signifcantly smaller license fee (say .25%?)... but they are lawyers, and they like to run up billable hours.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 15 2004, 11:53 AM
Nick, exactly what they want you to think. I think it is important to note that both of these "blockbuster" deals are "terms not disclosed"... which translates roughly to "We made a sweetheart deal to be able to use their name"...

If the license fee gets small enough, it is easy to figure that the reward (saved back payments for all the time from 1991 onward) @2% is less than the expense of signing (sweetheart deal, $0 for any thing before signing, fixed rate soft payment for 7 years, etc). Risk of multi millions compared to a much lower expense spread over 7 years, with the chance of a reprieve if the copyright is struck down in that time frame.

Really, it is simple math. Acacia could have avoided almost all legal if they had come to the table with a signifcantly smaller license fee (say .25%?)... but they are lawyers, and they like to run up billable hours.

Alex
Alex it pains me to say, but you are right on the money when it comes to sweetheart deals with big names.

[Nickatilynx]

Alex,

Contrary to popular belief I am not a retard and am aware that this is what they want. ;-)))

In a previous thread I stated ,if it was me ,and I was offered a sweetheart deal , I'd rip their arms off to take it.

But I have never claimed to be an industry leader , a roll model , or a saviour.

I'm a businessman.

My question remains unchanged.

Who is left fighting the claim?

Those who have not been offered sweetheart deals?

[Bishop]

AEBN hasn't given in yet.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:15 AM
AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))

[mojobill]

[QUOTE]Playboy is requiring Acacia to exempt all of its affiliates from patent claims, as long as it directly related to the promotion of Playboy products. The affiliate provision was a major sticking point for Playboy, and considerably delayed the agreement.
[QUOTE]

They didn't cave in.. they are 'protecting' their affiliates... **COUGH**

[FightThePatent]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 08:44 AM


Who is actually left fighting this patent?

Video Secrets
Homegrown Video
Lightspeed
ARS
Gamelink
Ademia
AEBN
Audio Communications
National A-1
ProAdult

SilverCash
MaxCash

(more to be announced)



Fight the TBD!

[FightThePatent]

When a sponsor program licenses the patent, Acacia can't go after an affiliate for the same infringement...

This is not the issue that held them up... it was Playboy negotiating the lowest possible fee to pay, that would be less then them paying legal expenses to fight in court.



Fight the Double Dip!



Last edited by FightThePatent at Mar 15 2004, 09:36 AM

[FightThePatent]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 15 2004, 09:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 15 2004, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:15 AM
AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))[/b][/quote]
Every company has their breaking point... see Top Bucks.




Fight the Economic Pressures!

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 15 2004, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 15 2004, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:15 AM
AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))[/b][/quote]

"Yet" should not be read into.. we don't believe they can win. It is all numbers.. AEBN and all the other companies fighting will fight for as long as it is good business to do so. If it ever gets to the point it is a loosing proposition we will take that into consideration.

If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html

[FightThePatent]

Originally posted by Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:34 AM

If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html
That list is for IMPA members, and does not represent the list of companies that are fighting/defending against Acacia.

Cases in point:
Top Bucks, Matrix, Holio.Net, etc



Fight the Lists!

[Nickatilynx]

OK ,for the record, I totally believe this patent to be ass.

But lets have a reality check...

A corporations duty is to its shareholders

it was Playboy negotiating the lowest possible fee to pay, that would be less then them paying legal expenses to fight in court.

If I was a shareholder I'd be pleased that they took this action.

So you pay a small fee and then wait for the potential "blue sky" that the patent gets struck.

Sounds logical to me.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Bishop+Mar 15 2004, 09:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Mar 15 2004, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 12:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:15 AM
AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))

"Yet" should not be read into.. we don't believe they can win. It is all numbers.. AEBN and all the other companies fighting will fight for as long as it is good business to do so. If it ever gets to the point it is a loosing proposition we will take that into consideration.

If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html[/b][/quote]
and that post infers that it will be sooner rather than later.


;-))))

[Bishop]

Originally posted by FightThePatent+Mar 15 2004, 12:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FightThePatent @ Mar 15 2004, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:34 AM

If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html
That list is for IMPA members, and does not represent the list of companies that are fighting/defending against Acacia.

Cases in point:
Top Bucks, Matrix, Holio.Net, etc



Fight the Lists![/b][/quote]

Oh well.. Link off the cuff.. I should have looked more closely. :D

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 15 2004, 12:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 15 2004, 12:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 12:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:15 AM
AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))

"Yet" should not be read into.. we don't believe they can win. It is all numbers.. AEBN and all the other companies fighting will fight for as long as it is good business to do so. If it ever gets to the point it is a loosing proposition we will take that into consideration.

If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html
and that post infers that it will be sooner rather than later.


;-))))[/b][/quote]

Ya fuck.

[Nickatilynx]

:-)

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Bishop+Mar 15 2004, 09:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Mar 15 2004, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by -Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 12:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Bishop@Mar 15 2004, 09:15 AM
AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))

"Yet" should not be read into.. we don't believe they can win. It is all numbers.. AEBN and all the other companies fighting will fight for as long as it is good business to do so. If it ever gets to the point it is a loosing proposition we will take that into consideration.

If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html
and that post infers that it will be sooner rather than later.


;-))))

Ya fuck.[/b][/quote]
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stop already, he's already dead!!!!!11!!!1!1!!!

[Bishop]

haha.. :D

[Mike AI]

I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:
I do too :okthumb:



Bishop, my AEBN affiliate account looks like I'm going to break last month's numbers this week! it's only Marth 15th too. :okthumb: AEBN Rocks!!!



Last edited by masterp74 at Mar 15 2004, 11:22 AM

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:
Bishop is a very good friend and AEBN are a very respectable and by all accounts well run orgainisation.

But as for putting my faith in them?

Faith is for G-d , the US Dollar , and Smith and Wesson.


;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by masterp74+Mar 15 2004, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masterp74 @ Mar 15 2004, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:
I do too :okthumb:



Bishop, my AEBN affiliate account looks like I'm going to break last month's numbers this week! it's only Marth 15th too. :okthumb: AEBN Rocks!!![/b][/quote]
Bishop,

It must be hard sitting at your desk today with MasterP's tongue so far up your ass. ;-)))))

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 15 2004, 11:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 15 2004, 11:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -masterp74@Mar 15 2004, 11:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:
I do too :okthumb:



Bishop, my AEBN affiliate account looks like I'm going to break last month's numbers this week! it's only Marth 15th too. :okthumb: AEBN Rocks!!!
Bishop,

It must be hard sitting at your desk today with MasterP's tongue so far up your ass. ;-)))))[/b][/quote]
Have I even mentioned that I have a tounge just like Gene Simmons of KISS? :groucho:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by masterp74+Mar 15 2004, 11:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masterp74 @ Mar 15 2004, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by -masterp74@Mar 15 2004, 11:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:
I do too :okthumb:



Bishop, my AEBN affiliate account looks like I'm going to break last month's numbers this week! it's only Marth 15th too. :okthumb: AEBN Rocks!!!
Bishop,

It must be hard sitting at your desk today with MasterP's tongue so far up your ass. ;-)))))
Have I even mentioned that I have a tounge just like Gene Simmons of KISS? :groucho:[/b][/quote]
ahahahahahahhaha


Really ? ;-))))

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 11:26 AM

Faith is for the US Dollar


;-))))
huh?

[Nickatilynx]

yeah , I have faith it won't , anytime soon , reach parity with the Canadian $ ;-)))

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 15 2004, 11:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 15 2004, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -masterp74@Mar 15 2004, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by -masterp74@Mar 15 2004, 11:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 15 2004, 11:14 AM
I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

:wnw:
I do too :okthumb:



Bishop, my AEBN affiliate account looks like I'm going to break last month's numbers this week! it's only Marth 15th too. :okthumb: AEBN Rocks!!!
Bishop,

It must be hard sitting at your desk today with MasterP's tongue so far up your ass. ;-)))))
Have I even mentioned that I have a tounge just like Gene Simmons of KISS? :groucho:
ahahahahahahhaha


Really ? ;-))))[/b][/quote]
You're going to have to ask Bishop on that one. :okthumb:

[gonzo]

You expected Playboy to do something else?
It gets rid of competiton....

[FightThePatent]

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=2370

AVN: http://www.avnonline.com/issues/200403/new..._031504_1.shtml (http://www.avnonline.com/issues/200403/newsarchive/news_031504_1.shtml)



xbiz: http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=2370



Fight the Gagging when reading Berman's comments!

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 11:35 AM
yeah , I have faith it won't , anytime soon , reach parity with the Canadian $ ;-)))
Let's hope not ;)

[cj]

Originally posted by fatbaby@Mar 15 2004, 12:20 PM
Playboy is requiring Acacia to exempt all of its affiliates from patent claims, as long as it directly related to the promotion of Playboy products. The affiliate provision was a major sticking point for Playboy, and considerably delayed the agreement.


They didn't cave in.. they are 'protecting' their affiliates... **COUGH**
playboy has affiliates?! :blink:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 12:45 PM
:-)
Nick, I NEVE EVER threatened anybody with legal actions, but....
if you keep on violating my
";-)" (and all variations of it) smiley,
you won't leave me a choice..

CEIZE AND DESIST, mothefucker!

Did I make myself clear?????
;-))))

[Cold_ice]

It is us, the little guys that will get fucked at the end :angry:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 15 2004, 03:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 15 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Mar 15 2004, 12:45 PM
:-)
Nick, I NEVE EVER threatened anybody with legal actions, but....
if you keep on violating my
";-)" (and all variations of it) smiley,
you won't leave me a choice..

CEIZE AND DESIST, mothefucker!

Did I make myself clear?????
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Another lawsuit? LOL

I am a man of very meagre means.

You are welcome to sue me , but as result of VISA regulations , anti-spam lawsuits ,poor business decisions ,etc etc I am a man of straw :(

;-)))))

( just to compound matters)

;-))))

Bring it :)

[Vick]

Originally posted by Cold_ice@Mar 15 2004, 07:25 PM
It is us, the little guys that will get fucked at the end :angry:
Let's leave my penis out of this :unsure: