A question...

[Nickatilynx]

If asked , what would you say you have learned from this business.

(Someone just asked me) ;-)))

For me it is :

1.) Budget that this business ends next week
2.) Never ,ever , ever , try and have a "relationship" with "content".
3.) If it sends hits , it can be spammed.

:-))

Anyone else?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 11 2004, 09:28 PM
If asked , what would you say you have learned from this business.

(Someone just asked me) ;-)))

For me it is :

1.) Budget that this business ends next week
2.) Never ,ever , ever , try and have a "relationship" with "content".
3.) If it sends hits , it can be spammed.

:-))

Anyone else?
I learned that:
the more you make money for people, the more chances they fuck you
with MikeAI, Lord Aga and Nick being exceptions.

I also learned that people you share food and wine at the table with you, people who go out of their way to do something for you are your friends, everybody else are just "business associates"

...and you can take it to the bank
;-))))

[LadyLaw]

What I've learned:

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

You meet the same people on your way up as on your way down, only the roles have reversed.

A smiling face is not necessarily a friend.

No one gets out alive.

[cj]

i've learned that

1) if you stop learning you may as well give up

2) at the end of the day, everyone is in it for themselves

3) if this business stops, the most valuable thing i've EARNT is a place at the dinner table of my friends, and they a place at mine

4) kissing ass only gives you brown lips

5) success comes in many forms, the least of which is money.

6) money can't make you like yourself, no matter how much of it you have.

[Nickatilynx]

3) if this business stops, the most valuable thing i've EARNT is a place at the dinner table of my friends, and they a place at mine


Excellent one :-)))



No one gets out alive.

probably very very true...

the more you make money for people, the more chances they fuck you


That is very true , and at the same time very sad.

[Vick]

My head is a little thick right now and I know there's many more and better ways to express them but here are a few

Never stop.....learning or doing

Don't depend on anyone but yourself

It might not last forever so enjoy it while you can

Not all pussy is equal

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then..... it is most likely a duck no matter what anyone says

that people you share food and wine at the table with you, people who go out of their way to do something for you are your friends, everybody else are just "business associates" :okthumb: :okthumb:

If you're at the table for half an hour and you can't see who the mark is ...... it's you

Hope for the best and plan for the worst

Nothing is unbelievable, however a lot of it is bullshit

Gratitude many times has a very short shelf life

Try not to be surprised by anything

Anything can and will happen

When you depend on so many different things to be in line have a quick easy alternate for when one or more go wrong

Message board personalties are just that

Good people come in all walks of life


not sure I picked all these up in just this business but it sure stamped a lot of them home


Edit - p.s. the ancient Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times" can really suck

p.p.s. - Nothing is forever



Last edited by Vick at Mar 11 2004, 10:02 PM

[Winetalk.com]

sad?
well..it's just a human nature, nothing we can do about it...

[LadyLaw]

"Gratitude many times has a very short shelf life"

This is true. Also human nature.

[cj]

lots of pearls already ;-)

[pushpills]

screw ups are reversable

one mans success is another mans nightmare

if you don't quit, you'll get what you are after (unless you are a fuckhead)

[*KK*]

I've learned...

Nick's a crook (allegedly).

Serge always paid the best on clicks AND sold them the cheapest.

Don't take Scotty's night vision goggles.

MikeAI still likes less than a handful of people.

This shit won't last forever.

If Visa doesn't like you it won't last much longer.

And most importantly, pay attention, it is possible to get a clue once in awhile.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by *KK*@Mar 11 2004, 10:15 PM
I've learned...

Nick's a crook (allegedly).

Serge always paid the best on clicks AND sold them the cheapest.

Don't take Scotty's night vision goggles.

MikeAI still likes less than a handful of people.

This shit won't last forever.

If Visa doesn't like you it won't last much longer.

And most importantly, pay attention, it is possible to get a clue once in awhile.
hhahahaahhahahahahahahahahaahhaha
;_)))
L:OLOLOLOL

KK, thank, what an observations!
;-[))))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 11 2004, 06:57 PM
sad?
well..it's just a human nature, nothing we can do about it...
""I don't like human nature unless all candied over with art"" - Virginia Woolf

;-)))


Don't take Scotty's night vision goggles.


In fact don't even let it even cross your fucking mind!! ahahahahaha

[AM Jeff]

Always lend a helping hand.
The people you help along the way will be your allies forever.

[Vick]

Originally posted by AM Jeff@Mar 11 2004, 11:53 PM
Always lend a helping hand.
The people you help along the way will be your allies forever.
Ennnnn
I wish that was always true
In many cases it can be ....


.... but it others :(

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 11 2004, 09:28 PM

2.) Never ,ever , ever , try and have a "relationship" with "content".

Anyone else?
That's a GOOD one!

Also:

4.) Everyone either wants to fuck me or fuck me over!

Except for LittleC... She just wants me to make her lots of money! Works for me!


Sabby:)

[Peaches]

I'm old and I learned a lot of the things being mentioned in other dealings with people and business, but a couple of the things I DID learn in this biz are:

1) Not everyone in it is a sexual deviant. :awinky:

2) This is the most tolerant of "different" group of people I have ever dealt with. I remember my first show in Miami (1999 I think). I was petrified that no one would talk to me because I was just a plump middle aged soccermom and everyone else was in the "Porn Biz" (except Lee Noga B) ). I could not have been more wrong. :okthumb: If you're young, old, skinny, fat, FFN, Player, Player Hater, gay, straight, mixed - everyone is accepted (or rejected) strictly on their skills and personalities. It may have a lot to do with most of us "meeting" on the computer and not face to face, but it's one of the strengths of this industry IMHO. :rokk:]

[AM Jeff]

Sabby, after watching you on cam.
Who WOULDN'T wanna fuck you...lmao
:awinky:

[Mike AI]

It could take me until next week docuementing all the things I have learned....

Definately reafirms human relationships.
Watch to see how money effects people, including myself.

I am sure I will think of other ones.

[Sabby]

Originally posted by AM Jeff@Mar 12 2004, 12:45 AM
Sabby, after watching you on cam.
Who WOULDN'T wanna fuck you...lmao
:awinky:
The Model / Cam Bimbo Sabby (Imallboobs) and Webmistress / Business Sabby are two completely separate personalites.

I can deal with the surfers. Webmasters are much more difficult, LOL.


Sabby:)

[AM Jeff]

Now, have you ever had any difficaulty dealing with me?
:biglaugh:

[Sabby]

Never! I have never tried to do business with you though :)


Sabby:)

[AM Jeff]

I never done anything biz wise with you?
Geesh..ya forgotten ?
:o

[Sabby]

Jeff you are a GOOD guy! And a good friend. Most people on this board are.

I'm just alot more cautious than I have been in the past. Thats a good thing :)


Sabby:)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 12 2004, 12:38 AM
everyone else was in the "Porn Biz" (except Lee Noga B) ). I could not have been more wrong. :okthumb: If you're young, old, skinny, fat, FFN, Player, Player Hater, gay, straight, mixed - everyone is accepted (or rejected) strictly on their skills and personalities. It may have a lot to do with most of us "meeting" on the computer and not face to face, but it's one of the strengths of this industry IMHO. :rokk:]
You forget Brad "little weasel" Shaw is not in the business eitehr. He is a businessman. Didnt you see him with his suit on in Vegas? Problem is he siad he didnt do any business. I dont get it. Why would you fly all the way out there get dressed in your finest Sears and Robuck Olive suit and get yourself a booth that looked more like Pizza Hut than anything and not do any business? Maybe Vegas is the place to premiere your new breast augmentation?

As an aside someone says they are having happy hours and buying people drinks in different cities. At the last meeting of the FFN board we put together a pool as to how long it is before someone shows up at one of these things...gets drunk and reminds him that they havent been paid. If he belches out one of those high tech snappy retorts....our money is on him getting all of that ass whupped. I guess the only thing left to do is "bleed and sue".

Anyhow I should remind you that where as Mitnick can social engineer your ass....I on the otherhand have advanced powers of the "Jedi Mind Trick" beware reading my threads.


One thing that everyone needs to remember..."The easy money is gone".

[SykkBoy]

To err is human, to repeat is stupid

Friends don't always make the best business partners and business partners don't always make the best friends

If you've never failed, you aren't trying hard enough (even babe Ruth struck out once in awhile)

The people outside the business are much more deviant than the people in the business ("It's always the straights" ;-))

[JR]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Mar 12 2004, 12:00 AM

If you've never failed, you aren't trying hard enough (even babe Ruth struck out once in awhile)

haha. NICE!

:okthumb:

[Trev]

Most sponsors shave closer than a wilkinson sword.

Try everything at least once, only a fool wouldn't.

Only true friends don't play ass games with you.

If your from GFY, then you've already lost.

[Sabby]

DONT paint yourself from head to toe with strawberry jam and then sit for 30 minutes with you legs crossed.

DONT put an Easter Egg in your ass (there is a very good reason why anal beads have strings on them).


Sabby:)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Sabby@Mar 12 2004, 11:27 AM
DONT paint yourself from head to toe with strawberry jam and then sit for 30 minutes with you legs crossed.

DONT put an Easter Egg in your ass (there is a very good reason why anal beads have strings on them).


Sabby:)
Damn! We need to have dinner some time :D :D

[TeenGodFather]

What I have learned in this business?

People are fucking thieving, scamming, lying backstabbing assholes. Not much else.. oh, and that traffic equals money.

[Dravyk]

Trust the "crooks" the most -- they know you're looking so they will either not screw you at all or screw you the least

Trust the "honorable, loved-by-all longtimers" the least -- cause you won't expect them even capable of doing anything wrong, and so they will screw you the hardest and it will hurt the most

There are of course exceptions, but that has turned out to be the rule these days.

[Trev]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Mar 12 2004, 11:50 AM
What I have learned in this business?

People are fucking thieving, scamming, lying backstabbing assholes. Not much else.. oh, and that traffic equals money.
Now thats a PEARL :okthumb:

[Hooper]

Two lessons i've learned:

You get what you take.

Tend to your own house.



Last edited by Hooper at Mar 12 2004, 08:48 AM

[Bishop]

It is always just business even if it feels personal.

Traffic is the end all be all.

The asking price is always to high.

The normal looking people are probably the crooks. The strange looking people can probably be trusted.

It usually only takes 10 seconds to spot the fools.

There are some people in this business who can figure out how your making your money with only 1/10th of the equation.





Last edited by Bishop at Mar 12 2004, 09:05 AM

[Winetalk.com]

this gotta be the thread of the year...VERY interesting read, very educational

[Almighty Colin]

It's not what you make as much as what you save.

[Almighty Colin]

In the end, you must make you own judgement on who to do business with. Can't say how many times someone has tried to convince me not to do business with someone that turned out to be great for me.

Don't listen to people who are doing well at something when they tell you how difficult some aspect of their business is. Or at least, realize they are more likely trying to dissuade future competition than do you a favor.

[Sharpie]

"Always lend a helping hand.
The people you help along the way will be your allies forever."

There is NO forever in this biz.
Don't assume anything! The only thing you can count on is CHANGE. Don't be intimidated by the 'big egos - they put on their pants the same way you do. Everyone has some good and bad in them - try and figure out which is which.

[Carrie]

I didn't learn this here but it certainly applies.

When they said it couldn't be done, what they meant was, they couldn't do it.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 12 2004, 09:00 AM
this gotta be the thread of the year...VERY interesting read, very educational
I agree wholeheartedly.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 12 2004, 10:41 AM


When they said it couldn't be done, what they meant was, they couldn't do it.
I got a feeling Im gonna be told this shortly.

[*KK*]

Very interesting responses.

One more that I've come to realize more than ever...

Raw numbers don't lie. And everyone defines their own unique.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by *KK*@Mar 12 2004, 12:46 PM
Very interesting responses.

One more that I've come to realize more than ever...

Raw numbers don't lie. And everyone defines their own unique.
I think this discovery was made by Xpics first
;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

If you are sending traffic to anyone, you are DEFINTELY being shaved.
If you are sending traffic to yourself , you STILL MIGHT be being shaved.

;-))

If you don't believe me , you are from GFY.

[Meat]

:)

1. How much money people can make from international traffic, especially when they use ADS dialers

2. How much good lawyers are worth, and cost

3. Dont take shit from anyone if it costs you money. see lesson 2

:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Meat@Mar 12 2004, 05:13 PM


2. How much good lawyers are worth, and cost


more than "Uncle Boris" from Brighton Beach
;-))))

[homegrownmof]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Mar 12 2004, 05:05 AM
Trust the "crooks" the most -- they know you're looking so they will either not screw you at all or screw you the least

Trust the "honorable, loved-by-all longtimers" the least -- cause you won't expect them even capable of doing anything wrong, and so they will screw you the hardest and it will hurt the most

There are of course exceptions, but that has turned out to be the rule these days.


Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.


.

[HoneyBlond]

This business reminds me a little of the used car industry. :)

1) Everyones got to make money ( ie always leave enough in the deal for the next guy )

2) Closing the deal is just as important at the negotiation part.

3) Stick to the truth ( it tends not to come back around to bite your arse when your not looking :awinky: )

4) Know thy friends,enemies & aquaintenances and their strenghts & weaknesses ( that way you don't get to many nasty surprises )

:)



Last edited by HoneyBlond at Mar 13 2004, 01:01 PM

[gonzo]

Originally posted by homegrownmof+Mar 12 2004, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (homegrownmof @ Mar 12 2004, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Mar 12 2004, 05:05 AM
Trust the "crooks" the most -- they know you're looking so they will either not screw you at all or screw you the least

Trust the "honorable, loved-by-all longtimers" the least -- cause you won't expect them even capable of doing anything wrong, and so they will screw you the hardest and it will hurt the most

There are of course exceptions, but that has turned out to be the rule these days.


Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.


.[/b][/quote]
CJ - Moffit just made a Pearl!

[confucy]

homegrownmof: Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.
(Add "Nick" to the list.)


1. Don't befriend caged animals.

2. Censorship is the death of porn.

[David Duke]

Originally posted by confucy@Mar 12 2004, 06:23 PM
homegrownmof: Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.
(Add "Nick" to the list.)


1. Don't befriend caged animals.

2. Censorship is the death of porn.
The lying one that is not a pornographer.

[cj]

Originally posted by gonzo+Mar 12 2004, 08:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Mar 12 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -homegrownmof@Mar 12 2004, 05:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Mar 12 2004, 05:05 AM
Trust the "crooks" the most -- they know you're looking so they will either not screw you at all or screw you the least

Trust the "honorable, loved-by-all longtimers" the least -- cause you won't expect them even capable of doing anything wrong, and so they will screw you the hardest and it will hurt the most

There are of course exceptions, but that has turned out to be the rule these days.


Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.


.
CJ - Moffit just made a Pearl![/b][/quote]
how can you pick that one over all the others on this page?!

the whole thread is a pearl!

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Mar 12 2004, 04:50 AM
What I have learned in this business?

People are fucking thieving, scamming, lying backstabbing assholes. Not much else.. oh, and that traffic equals money.
TGF summed it up much more concisely and eloquently than I could! What he says is at the core of everything else I've learend in this industry....

It's quite amazing actually when you think about it. The entire industry is created around deception and treating your customers as prey. And the attitude is take just as much as you can possibly get away with.

Sponsors advertise $30-$40 a signup. Everyone knows they have to shave and fudge the numbers to keep up the appearance of that payout, but it's all a wink nudge business as usual thing.

Would any other business put up with it? Imagine you were selling copper pipe. A contractor agrees to pay you $1000 per house. You ship him enough copper for 10 houses and get a check back for $5000. You ask, he says he was only able to plumb 5 houses. You notice that he has 10 new houses done though. This is the norm in our business....

It's not just sponsors though. Webmasters are fleecing the surfers and will stretch whatever rules the sponsors have for accepting traffic and signups to the absolute limit. And if the sponsors were honest, saying they could afford to pay an honest unshaved $10 per signup for instance, dumbfucks would say "that aint enough!" and keep on sending to the higher PPS programs.

Everyone fucks everyone, but as disfunctional as the whole thing is, it's still the best way to make money with traffic on the net.

[Dravyk]

3.) If it sends hits , it can be spammed.
Why spam a bot? :P

screw ups are reversable
Disagree. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes not.



Anyways, thought of a few more items to mention:


When someone gives you advice, wonder what their angle is.

If someone promotes something heavily, 9 times out of 10 run the other way.

Know everyone's interconnections and everyone's histories with each other. (I feel sorry for the newer folks who don't have this knowledge. It will hurt many of them when they say or do the wrong thing to the wrong person.)

Bullshit is the fuel that runs this industry's furnace.

Don't act like everyone else. Act like yourself.

You can post emotionally, but only if you're in control (even if just barely) of your emotions.

Diversify, diversify, diversify.

If you're making a post and you think it MIGHT be a mistake, then it IS a mistake. Always without fail. So don't post it, walk away.

Programmers: You can't live with them, and you can't live without them.

If you think you have a great idea, at least 10 other people in this industry have the same idea. And at least 200 others will copy it.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. (Not original, but it works.)

There's more smoke and mirrors in this business than Hollywood, D.C. and a Vegas show revue combined.

Always have a backup plan. And a backup plan to the backup plan. Etc.

The one's who constantly have to announce how honest they are, are probably the worse crooks.

Not everyone in this business is dishonest, some people are actually poor.

Never tell secrets. Especially yours.

[JerryW]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Mar 13 2004, 05:27 AM

Never tell secrets. Especially yours.
This needed to be at the beginning of this thread :P

A few I've learned.

For sponsers, the only number that's real is the amount on the check that clears the bank.

There's three things needed to succed in this business - traffic, content and billing. If you don't have one of them, you're buying from someone who does.

[Nickatilynx]

Not everyone in this business is dishonest, some people are actually poor.


ahahahahaha had tp nominate this one as a pearl !!!!!!!!!!!

[davecummings]

Be genuinely nice to people just for the sake of being nice, NOT because it might mean traffic/profits/kharma/etc.

Dave
www.davecummings.com

[LadyLaw]

Hi Dave...long time no see.

I gotta agree with you on this one.

Being an ass just because you "can" doesn't do you shit in business, and no one remembers you with any fondness later.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by LadyLaw@Mar 19 2004, 08:28 PM
Hi Dave...long time no see.

I gotta agree with you on this one.

Being an ass just because you "can" doesn't do you shit in business, and no one remembers you with any fondness later.
darling,
I like to be an ass for one reason only...

because ASSist starts with it
;-)))

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by LadyLaw@Mar 19 2004, 08:28 PM
Being an ass just because you "can" doesn't do you shit in business, and no one remembers you with any fondness later.
LL, enough with the weasel talk already. :D