"Bush Tax Cuts Favor the Rich"

[Meni]

oh well
what did we expect
God Bless Bush's America

[JR]

Dear Meni,

Welcome to a year ago,

Your friend,
Reality

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Mar 7 2004, 07:26 PM
Dear Meni,

Welcome to a year ago,

Your friend,
Reality
JR,
please refrain from spoiling Meni's perfect wet dreams!

--management

[Meni]

Ladies
i'm quoting Warren Buffet
so insult him
you fagets

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 7 2004, 08:04 PM
Ladies
i'm quoting Warren Buffet
so insult him
you fagets
do you have fresher quotes from him than a year old ones?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 7 2004, 08:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 7 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 7 2004, 08:04 PM
Ladies
i'm quoting Warren Buffet
so insult him
you fagets
do you have fresher quotes from him than a year old ones?[/b][/quote]
Well Serge
I heard it from MarketWatch on CBS
1 hour ago
so shut your fat trap bitch
ehhehehe

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 7 2004, 08:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 7 2004, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Mar 7 2004, 08:06 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 7 2004, 08:04 PM
Ladies
i'm quoting Warren Buffet
so insult him
you fagets
do you have fresher quotes from him than a year old ones?
Well Serge
I heard it from MarketWatch on CBS
1 hour ago
so shut your fat trap bitch
ehhehehe[/b][/quote]
did you hear any other news 1 year old?

you should share them all!

did you hear we caught Saddam Hussein?

[Mike AI]

I am just happy that Meni has decided to get involved with politics.

How many elections have you voted in Meni?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 7 2004, 08:43 PM
I am just happy that Meni has decided to get involved with politics.

How many elections have you voted in Meni?
none, but he enjoys the process
;-)))

some stripper told him that democrats are for people like her and him
;-)))

[slavdogg]

Here is what Buffet said
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/38953...24;reuters.html (http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/389533|top|03-06-2004::12:49|reuters.html)

[slavdogg]

interesting
me and WB have something in common

That's a big change from 1944, when as a 13-year-old newspaper carrier, Buffett filed his first personal tax return.
He owed $7.

[stargaze]

He is a good quote from Buffet:

Tax breaks for corporations -- and their investors, particularly large ones -- were a major part of the administration's 2002 and 2003 initiatives," Buffett said. "If class warfare is being waged in America, my class is clearly winning."

Hit's it right on the head....most average Americans see no change...mostly worse.

[JR]

Originally posted by stargaze@Mar 7 2004, 06:10 PM
....most average Americans see no change...mostly worse.
and when is it NOT the case that average people feel that way, or make these remarks?



Last edited by JR at Mar 7 2004, 06:29 PM

[Vick]

Ask yourself "Are you average?" "Are you the average American?"

If not then what the is the problem?

We've been over this issue a few times

I don't see a problem

Who cares about the poor? Most aren't worth carring about nor worth the pixels wasted on them

[Meni]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 7 2004, 08:43 PM
I am just happy that Meni has decided to get involved with politics.

How many elections have you voted in Meni?
me?
elections
um
wait
lemme think
um
none
hell i moved to FL but didn't get my new id yet
so if i wanna boot bush in FL
i better run down to DMV

[Meni]

Originally posted by Vick@Mar 7 2004, 09:33 PM
Ask yourself "Are you average?" "Are you the average American?"

If not then what the is the problem?

We've been over this issue a few times

I don't see a problem

Who cares about the poor? Most aren't worth carring about nor worth the pixels wasted on them
You are kidding right?

[Meni]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 7 2004, 08:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 7 2004, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Mar 7 2004, 08:43 PM
I am just happy that Meni has decided to get involved with politics.

How many elections have you voted in Meni?
none, but he enjoys the process
;-)))

some stripper told him that democrats are for people like her and him
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Sergey are you kidding me
the girls who work for me don't even know who Chaney is


i told them
Lon Chaney
some old scary actor
duh

[Meni]

See I know who Chaney is, duh (http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan/)

[Meni]

Chaney's official site (http://www.lonchaney.com/)

man I loved jr in the abbott and costello meet dracula, the wolfman, frankenstein and serge

[Buff]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 7 2004, 06:13 PM
oh well
what did we expect
God Bless Bush's America
Who should get tax cuts? People who don't pay them? Who do you think pays the taxes?

According to the IRS, The Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of All Income Taxes (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/irsfigures.guest.html).

So I ask again, who the hell else can get tax cuts???

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by Meni@Mar 7 2004, 07:13 PM
oh well
what did we expect
God Bless Bush's America
According to "them" I am the rich, so I have no problem with this

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 8 2004, 05:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 8 2004, 05:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Meni@Mar 7 2004, 06:13 PM
oh well
what did we expect
God Bless Bush's America
Who should get tax cuts? People who don't pay them? Who do you think pays the taxes?

According to the IRS, The Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of All Income Taxes (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/irsfigures.guest.html).

So I ask again, who the hell else can get tax cuts???[/b][/quote]
Top 50% of wage earners, make 90% of the Income

[Vick]

Originally posted by Meni+Mar 8 2004, 12:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meni @ Mar 8 2004, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 7 2004, 09:33 PM
Ask yourself "Are you average?" "Are you the average American?"

If not then what the is the problem?

We've been over this issue a few times

I don't see a problem

Who cares about the poor? Most aren't worth carring about nor worth the pixels wasted on them
You are kidding right?[/b][/quote]
Not one bit

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 06:33 AM
Top 50% of wage earners, make 90% of the Income
I think it's about 75%.

So do you have a sense of "fairness" which is being violated? At what point would you consider the income distribution fair?

Some people are a LOT better than others at making money not because of an unfair system but rather because of a fair one.

[OldJeff]

I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.



Last edited by OldJeff at Mar 8 2004, 01:39 PM

[JR]

yes... flat tax. :)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 01:39 PM
The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
Bush is willing to buy your votes AND their votes.

[Buff]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 12:39 PM
I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
I disagree.

We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 12:39 PM
I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
I disagree.

We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.[/b][/quote]
This might be the dumbest thing I have ever read

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 12:39 PM
I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
I disagree.

We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.[/b][/quote]
What about the tax per head of horses that each household owns - you know, the ones they use for transportation.

At least, they did back when your idea made a shred of sense ...

[Buff]

Originally posted by OldJeff+Mar 8 2004, 03:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OldJeff @ Mar 8 2004, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 12:39 PM
I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
I disagree.

We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.
This might be the dumbest thing I have ever read[/b][/quote]
Or maybe you're just senile.

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 8 2004, 03:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 8 2004, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 12:39 PM
I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
I disagree.

We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.
What about the tax per head of horses that each household owns - you know, the ones they use for transportation.

At least, they did back when your idea made a shred of sense ...[/b][/quote]
It's funny how the leftists talk about equality but then promote the racist/sexist policy of "affirmative action" and the classist policy of a 'progressive income tax."



Last edited by Buff at Mar 8 2004, 03:19 PM

[Diamond Jim]

re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?

[Buff]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 03:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
It's more practical than what we have now.
If we kept the system as similar to the current one as possible, all that would change is that a company would break up the $1000 or $5000 or what not over 12 months and withhold it like it does now.

As for what's not fair about it, it's not fair that some people make more than others, therefore we should tax them down to the same level as everyone else -- but make them stay just as productive as they are now ;)

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 04:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
I consider a tax based on a % of income slightly less fair than a tax where everyone pays the same $ amount.

In a fair world, that's the way it would be - but we don't live in a fair world. Right or wrong, the government requires more money than can be raised under such a method.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 8 2004, 04:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 8 2004, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 03:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
It's more practical than what we have now.
If we kept the system as similar to the current one as possible, all that would change is that a company would break up the $1000 or $5000 or what not over 12 months and withhold it like it does now.

As for what's not fair about it, it's not fair that some people make more than others, therefore we should tax them down to the same level as everyone else -- but make them stay just as productive as they are now ;)[/b][/quote]
Yes indeedy ... just look how far backwards this country has fallen since the progressive income tax has been in effect.

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 8 2004, 03:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 8 2004, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Mar 8 2004, 04:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 03:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
It's more practical than what we have now.
If we kept the system as similar to the current one as possible, all that would change is that a company would break up the $1000 or $5000 or what not over 12 months and withhold it like it does now.

As for what's not fair about it, it's not fair that some people make more than others, therefore we should tax them down to the same level as everyone else -- but make them stay just as productive as they are now ;)
Yes indeedy ... just look how far backwards this country has fallen since the progressive income tax has been in effect.[/b][/quote]
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A and B are associated on a regular basis.
Therefore A is the cause of B.

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[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Buff+Mar 8 2004, 01:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 8 2004, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Mar 8 2004, 12:39 PM
I agree, the only fair system allows one to succed or fail based on their own merits.

There should be no redistribution of wealth

Tax % rate should be even from one dollar to one billion dollars

I do not believe people should be punished for being successful which is what the current tax system does, I also do not feel that people should be rewarded for being lazy.

The Bush tax credit checks went to a whole lot of people that did not pay any taxes, how is it fair to give back what you never gave.
I disagree.

We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.[/b][/quote]
I agree, you might see it but I won't in my life time.

[JR]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 01:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
it is working in other countries right now.
to "absurd" and "can't happen" might be fairly strong language.

[JR]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 8 2004, 01:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 8 2004, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 04:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
I consider a tax based on a % of income slightly less fair than a tax where everyone pays the same $ amount.

In a fair world, that's the way it would be - but we don't live in a fair world. Right or wrong, the government requires more money than can be raised under such a method.[/b][/quote]
i think there is a big problem in that poor people will always pay more simply because they are never focused on lowering their tax burden. its also a little absurd that people are taxed so much on overtime. i would be happy to see a flat tax. then we would not have all these economic issues to bicker about and could move on to funner and more colorful things like racism.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Buff@Mar 8 2004, 04:00 PM
We should have a flat tax, not as a % but as an exact dollar amount. All citizens should be treated as equals under the law.
Haha. I posted that once. :okthumb:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR@Mar 8 2004, 05:24 PM
colorful things like racism.
punny.

[Vick]

ok broken record time
I've already given you the answer for taxing Americans


NATIONAL SALES TAX

Fair to all and we can still keep the IRS employed - someone has to count the beans

Hell I've even take it a step further, tie the tax rate to the amount needed to balance the budget every year


You know I might have to run for President of the USA - I've got the solutions and am tired of incompetents who don't get it

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by JR+Mar 8 2004, 05:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Mar 8 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Mar 8 2004, 01:21 PM
re : everyone paying the exact same tax amount :

Despite the fact that it's absurdly impractical and can't happen...

PD, would you not consider it "fair" that everyone pay the same amount? If not, why?
it is working in other countries right now.
to "absurd" and "can't happen" might be fairly strong language.[/b][/quote]
I was referring to the US, which I stand by...it would be inconceivable that the US could function with everyone paying the same amount of tax per year. We are limited by what the very poorest person could pay...multiply that $$ amount by the number of taxpayers and you probably don't get enough to pay for the white house gardeners..