Insite Adult / John IP out of business?

[Mike AI]

I took some heat the past few weeks for "criticizing" and old timer. I stood by my opinion that John IP had turned over to the dark side and was ripping webmasters off.

Well it appears Insite is officially DEAD!

http://insiteadult.com

http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.p...threadid=243977 (http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.php?s=c714422526487a446447aed314156359&threadid=243977)

[LeeNoga]

Thats a shame.

Seemed folks felt they had to harrass Insite for many weeks before getting paid, but then again if Insite fell apart we would see his staff looking for jobs, so that makes no sense.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 1 2004, 12:49 PM
I took some heat the past few weeks for "criticizing" and old timer. I stood by my opinion that John IP had turned over to the dark side and was ripping webmasters off.

Well it appears Insite is officially DEAD!

http://insiteadult.com

http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.p...threadid=243977 (http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.php?s=c714422526487a446447aed314156359&threadid=243977)
I can drive by their offices on my way out today if you'd like.
My guess is they had to sing some sort of an agreement to get paid like the affilaites under threat of a lawsuit or no severance pay if they said anything.

Wont be no arguing with a dark closed office will there?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo@Mar 1 2004, 01:59 PM
I can drive by their offices on my way out today if you'd like.
My guess is they had to sing some sort of an agreement to get paid like the affilaites under threat of a lawsuit or no severance pay if they said anything.

Wont be no arguing with a dark closed office will there?
If you're talking about the one behind the Hilton at WH and 75, someone mentioned they moved from there. Not sure where the new office is, if there really is one, or if you already know where it is. :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

I feel sad....I like John.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 1 2004, 01:23 PM
I feel sad....I like John.


I like John too. It is sad to see someone go out like this.

[Peaches]

Does anyone know where Sammy and Phil are? :(

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 1 2004, 01:27 PM
Does anyone know where Sammy and Phil are? :(
last i heard they bought a house in Atlanta together...

[Vick]

1 - I agree it sad to see


2 - Only goes to show I was wrong again, I thought John had good business sense - but then again the details aren't known


3 - and in every possibly negative situation there is an opportunity, who can get together a network of Older Woman niche sites the quickest, cheapest and get them in front of all the companies that were sending joins to Insite????

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 1 2004, 02:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 1 2004, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Mar 1 2004, 01:27 PM
Does anyone know where Sammy and Phil are? :(
last i heard they bought a house in Atlanta together...[/b][/quote]
That was at least a year ago though. Since they were both working for Insite, if Insite's not around....I'm just worried. I'm a worrier. :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Mar 1 2004, 01:31 PM
1 - I agree it sad to see


2 - Only goes to show I was wrong again, I thought John had good business sense - but then again the details aren't known


3 - and in every possibly negative situation there is an opportunity, who can get together a network of Older Woman niche sites the quickest, cheapest and get them in front of all the companies that were sending joins to Insite????
Vick,
as we all know-
divorces are stressful and may cloud one's business judgements.

John went thru a bitter divorce,
let's give man a sympathetic hand,
we ALL could have been inj his shoes.

[Vick]

Fully agree Serge

Hope all ends well

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 1 2004, 01:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 1 2004, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 1 2004, 01:31 PM
1 - I agree it sad to see


2 - Only goes to show I was wrong again, I thought John had good business sense - but then again the details aren't known


3 - and in every possibly negative situation there is an opportunity, who can get together a network of Older Woman niche sites the quickest, cheapest and get them in front of all the companies that were sending joins to Insite????
Vick,
as we all know-
divorces are stressful and may cloud one's business judgements.

John went thru a bitter divorce,
let's give man a sympathetic hand,
we ALL could have been inj his shoes.[/b][/quote]


I could not imagine going through a bitter divorce. I have seen the emotional and financial tolls they can take.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 1 2004, 01:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 1 2004, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 1 2004, 01:31 PM
1 - I agree it sad to see


2 - Only goes to show I was wrong again, I thought John had good business sense - but then again the details aren't known


3 - and in every possibly negative situation there is an opportunity, who can get together a network of Older Woman niche sites the quickest, cheapest and get them in front of all the companies that were sending joins to Insite????
Vick,
as we all know-
divorces are stressful and may cloud one's business judgements.

John went thru a bitter divorce,
let's give man a sympathetic hand,
we ALL could have been inj his shoes.[/b][/quote]
Exactly

I've always liked the whole crew at Insite and never had a personal problem with any of them.

The facts are not nor will probably ever be known, but it's something that could happen to anyone in this business.

[RawAlex]

I am getting insiteadult.com up at a new location, although the site doesn't work well (not able to login, script errors all over that one).

the DNS is now for a company I don't recognize out of Santa Monica.

Alex

[TheEnforcer]

Hell even when things go smooth they can be rough. My wife and I are still best of friends but I was fucked up for quite some time after we split up.

[Mike AI]

Insite is back up. So maybe they have not pulled the plug.

Looks to be just a hosting move.

Why would they move from NatNet?

[sharky]

The story I heard, which may or may not be true, is that Insite was ripped off for a VERY large amount of money by one of the former Big names turned scammers. The sum was so large that it effected insites payouts to webmasters.

It's tough, I like John & company... it sounds like they made a deal with the devil, who burned them pretty good.

Best of luck to them, and the webmasters who were stiffed.



Last edited by sharky at Mar 1 2004, 08:48 PM

[Winetalk.com]

was it NOOF?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sharky@Mar 1 2004, 08:48 PM
it sounds like they made a deal with the devil, who burned them pretty good.


this si why the name of my Devil is...Prepayment
;-)
the only Diety I worship
;-)))

[sharky]

NO it wasn't Noof. But it was someone down the road from the former owners of igallery

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sharky@Mar 1 2004, 09:03 PM
NO it wasn't Noof. But it was someone down the road from the former owners of igallery
that's what I was reffering to...
"When you look into abyss, abyss is staring right back at you"

....unless you are prepaid.

[sharky]

lol. Let me rephrase. it was not the former owners of Igallery.. however someone from the LA area. you could probably guess who it was... and no, I never worked for them! lol

[Winetalk.com]

and for the record:
JohnIP opened my eyes about financial structure of the proper board management,
his advice brought over $500,000 extra to Oprano and I will ALWAYS be greateful him for that.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sharky@Mar 1 2004, 09:07 PM
lol. Let me rephrase. it was not the former owners of Igallery.. however someone from the LA area. you could probably guess who it was... and no, I never worked for them! lol
oh my....that's not what I heard, but it is all irrelevany now, isn't it?

[sharky]

JohnIP is a very smart business man. it's a shame thigns happened the way they did

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sharky@Mar 1 2004, 09:08 PM
JohnIP is a very smart business man. it's a shame thigns happened the way they did
"It was Barzini all along. Tataglia is a pimp, he would have never outsmarted Santino"

;-))))

[Hooper]

they are still honoring our arrangement as of today. Unless something has happened that i'm not aware of.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Hooper@Mar 1 2004, 10:34 PM
they are still honoring our arrangement as of today. Unless something has happened that i'm not aware of.


First person I have seen post they are getting paid!

[Hell Puppy]

The current squeeze is making cash flow tight all over. The way companies do biz with each other has almost become symbiotic to prop up the numbers. If one company falters by relying on exit traffic money that suddenly goes away for instance, there can be a massive ripple effect.

My guess is this isn't the last time we see a big player falter.

As an industry, our own "economic system" needs a bit of a makeover.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Mar 2 2004, 02:16 AM
The current squeeze is making cash flow tight all over. The way companies do biz with each other has almost become symbiotic to prop up the numbers. If one company falters by relying on exit traffic money that suddenly goes away for instance, there can be a massive ripple effect.

My guess is this isn't the last time we see a big player falter.

As an industry, our own "economic system" needs a bit of a makeover.

Interesting post.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Mar 1 2004, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Mar 1 2004, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Hell Puppy@Mar 2 2004, 02:16 AM
The current squeeze is making cash flow tight all over. The way companies do biz with each other has almost become symbiotic to prop up the numbers. If one company falters by relying on exit traffic money that suddenly goes away for instance, there can be a massive ripple effect.

My guess is this isn't the last time we see a big player falter.

As an industry, our own "economic system" needs a bit of a makeover.

Interesting post.[/b][/quote]
Not just interesting, quite on the mark I'd say.

[Hell Puppy]

I learned my lesson early on. A certain payment processor that we all know suddenly became massively tardy with the checks a few years back. And at the time I had too many eggs in one basket.

Things got tight enough that I was sweating making payroll. Said payment processor was telling us of their woes and that we'd get paid as soon as they got their banking situation squared away. Unfortunately, vendors such as the power company, phone company, etc aren't near as understanding. And when it comes to employees, you're impacting people's lives and families if you fail to make payroll.

That's something I would never do. I would lay people off if necessary, but they'll get paid the money they're due for the work they've already done even if I have to take out a personal loan to cover it.

Anyhow, I learned my lesson. I dont have too many eggs in a single basket, I'm highly diversified, and I have plenty of cash reserves. But I'm a lot smaller than the big companies. If all hell broke loose for me and things went sour, my burn rate would be much slower, and I can make corrections pretty fast.

A little adversity and the disappearance of easy money will show who has true business skills. But I fear there are more companies than we know who are in essence living paycheck to paycheck with no real plan.

[Dravyk]

I won't quote your entire post Hell Puppy, but the last one there got me thinking. Actually the first one too.

Ripple effect. I have seen since July a massive ripple effect has taken place in this industry. It began with sponsors tightening advertising, scrubs getting harsher, webmasters spending less money to no money at content providers and other such things as a precursor to the VISA 1% having taken effect. And then of course it continued after that, and the ripple effect set in more.

In short, I've been effected by and have seen this ripple effect where A owes me money, and says he can't pay until B and C pay him money first that they owe, and B and C each say these other people owe them money and so they can't pay the folks that owe me until they get paid, ad infinitum.

Well for my business philiosophy (like yours Hell Puppy) the buck stops here! There was no way I was going to continue that ripple effect down the line, effecting who knows how many others. I have employees that need to be paid (and as you said, utilities, hosting, programmers and a million other things.) I was not going to continue that ripple effect for a variety of reasons, the main one being I pay my bills and I take care of my people.

The result is, some of those folks eventually paid me, while two or three others still haven't and the total amount outstanding is in five figures is all I will say. To say it's been a squeeze with the money going out and -- be it by some lamers, scammers and *possibly* unfortunately hit people up the stream -- money still that has not come in has made it a bit rough at times. That said I wouldn't do it any other way. People have to take responsibility for themselves, and not keep passing on the debt load of a bunch of scammers or victims or moronic business people to even more people down the line.

In short: just cause you got butt fucked doesn't mean you have the right to butt fuck others. And those who have, one of these days you're going to be on the receiving end of a major butt fuck orgy -- with no KY in the house, but plenty of Mineral Ice lube.

[Almighty Colin]

All this speculation but it doesn't sound like anyone knows much.

John's a great guy in my book and has been friends with many of us here over the years. I hope most of you wish him well as I do.

[Mike AI]

Looks like Insite is in more trouble then first appeared. Looks like they crossed CEN.



From GFY http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.p...threadid=246247 (http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=246247)

rocki
At least I make a living at this

Registered: Feb 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 613


TCG is suing insite adult and the owner (John epps) personally for Fraud! more details next week..

Maybe we can all join in together and have one massive lawsuit. JB is checking with our lawyers now.

[Mike AI]

Everyone in this business should re-read Hell Puppy's last post.

Drav's is pretty good too!

:okthumb:

[Snoops]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Mar 1 2004, 10:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Mar 1 2004, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Mar 1 2004, 01:31 PM
1 - I agree it sad to see


2 - Only goes to show I was wrong again, I thought John had good business sense - but then again the details aren't known


3 - and in every possibly negative situation there is an opportunity, who can get together a network of Older Woman niche sites the quickest, cheapest and get them in front of all the companies that were sending joins to Insite????
Vick,
as we all know-
divorces are stressful and may cloud one's business judgements.

John went thru a bitter divorce,
let's give man a sympathetic hand,
we ALL could have been inj his shoes.[/b][/quote]
I can't comment on John's business choices or what's going on over there - I have no right to share info on it.

However, Sammi has been pretty much out of the business for round about 8 months now - she has not been well - but I'm sure she'll be fine and she is sorely missed by her friends.

Philip is fine.

John is not divorced - not even contemplating it last i heard (talked to him today)

Behind every 'event' - whether it's deemed positive or negative, is the 'rest of the story'. Personally, I don't believe I have any right to judge someone else's business sense or lack of it (lord knows I've made my share of really rotten choices) - but I do know that I don't know many folks (even the ones we tend to put on pedestals) who could have pulled out of what John has been facing.

There's always more to the story, ya know? All I know is, regardless of whether he ends up even IN this biz or not - he's been a friend for a very long time and will continue to be.

And, although divorce was/is not a part of this equation, I can assure you than ANY of us could have been or even could be, in his shoes - so I have to agree with Serge on that one.



Last edited by Snoops at Mar 3 2004, 03:39 PM

[sharky]

I wish the best for John!

[Hooper]

what happened?

bad planning? made assumptions about values of traffic purchases? based entire plan on another company doing xyz?

i'm interested in the real dirt.

insite owed us some money ( a significant sum ) but like i've said earlier, they have been paying on that debt quite regularly once we contacted them and talked about things.

i really like john, hope things work out well for him.

[Snoops]

what happened?

bad planning? made assumptions about values of traffic purchases? based entire plan on another company doing xyz?

None of the above.

i'm interested in the real dirt.

Gonna have to ask him - it's his perogative what he wants folks to know. :o) Sharky was the closest - however, he was only in the ballpark.

i really like john, hope things work out well for him.

Me too!

[chodadog]

Saw an interesting post on GFY about Insite by Rick Latona, from Consumption Junction.

Originally posted by Rick Latona: An update on Insite Investments

Just in case any of you were hopefull that you might one day get paid, forget about it.

We went by their office yesterday with the intent to collect. I would have left with some desks and computers but their office was completely empty.

You can call information and get John Ep's phone number but his address is unlisted.

If anyone knows his home address or can get it, I'm going collecting.

Doesn't look too good.

[cj]

*siren*

someone just snuck in a link to that board that we aren't allowed to link to!!!!

:yowsa:

[chodadog]

Originally posted by cj@Mar 9 2004, 05:06 PM
*siren*

someone just snuck in a link to that board that we aren't allowed to link to!!!!

:yowsa:
Shhhhh.

[Forest]

a blast from the past