I am pro-abortion

[Winetalk.com]

and I bet MOST ladies on this board had an abortion
along with men responcible for them

[sextoyking]

Born Pro-Choice, will die the same way.

Her / the Female's body, not up to me.

[cj]

i've never had an abortion ... and i doubt *most* ladies on this board have either ...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cj@Feb 25 2004, 06:42 PM
i've never had an abortion ... and i doubt *most* ladies on this board have either ...
run the poll....
you'll be surprised how wrong you really are.

no ladies who knew me in my "uts" were immune
;-)))

[cj]

Serge, i've done a little research on abortion & women in the past and feel very confident that your sweeping statement is very inaccurate

*most* women, as in more than half, are anti-abortion for themselves but pro choice for others - its politically correct.

the women you impregnated must have been concerned about whether they would get child support payments that weren't shaved :P

[Almighty Colin]

pro-abortion.

[Buff]

I am pro mandator abortions for all people not cleared by me to breed.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cj@Feb 25 2004, 06:48 PM
Serge, i've done a little research on abortion & women in the past and feel very confident that your sweeping statement is very inaccurate

*most* women, as in more than half, are anti-abortion for themselves but pro choice for others - its politically correct.

the women you impregnated must have been concerned about whether they would get child support payments that weren't shaved :P
in those days I used Prague accountant to dispurse the payments
;-)))

[cj]

via western union?!?!? LOL

[Peaches]

Gee, I don't consider myself pro abortion - I'm not FOR abortions, per se, but I do think every woman and man should make that decision themselves. You need a pro choice option in there. :awinky:

[TheEnforcer]

I would allow abortion in cases of rape, incest, or life of the mother only.

[Hooper]

serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"

[pushpills]

I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something

[cj]

Originally posted by pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:17 PM
I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something
If you can't take responsibility for your wad, please leave it in your sack.

The last thing this world needs is more people who think abortion is a way out of an undesirable situation.

[Mike AI]

We are being overrun by morons. You can see it in every facet of life. What is worse then being merely morons, is many of these people cannot support themselves and are on some kind handout.

I think Abortion could be a tool to solve some of these problems.

That is the problem with abortion is it is not used enough......

Most people should not be having kids. But the reality is the DUMB people who are pulling civilization down and have nothing to contribute are the ones having kids by the dozen. Most are probably illegitimate... thus the cycle continues!

Abortion should also be employed outside of the womb - and maybe should be extended to cover morons of ALL ages, not just those who happen to still inside the mother.

Hell I would ever be happy if some of my tax money went for these post-birth abortions!

Maybe I should start making a list....

[pushpills]

Originally posted by cj+Feb 25 2004, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Feb 25 2004, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:17 PM
I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something
If you can't take responsibility for your wad, please leave it in your sack.

The last thing this world needs is more people who think abortion is a way out of an undesirable situation.[/b][/quote]
what is the OTHER reason for abortion?


it's all to avoid an undesirable situation, no?



and I'll spread my wad all over town thank you B)

[cj]

Originally posted by pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:40 PM
what is the OTHER reason for abortion?
I hope you, or anyone you love, never has to find out!
:okthumb:

[gregtx]

I'm pro-choice.. but I also believe in adoption.. as an adopted kid ... I know how close I was to being an abortion...

:)

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 25 2004, 07:37 PM
We are being overrun by morons. You can see it in every facet of life. What is worse then being merely morons, is many of these people cannot support themselves and are on some kind handout.

I think Abortion could be a tool to solve some of these problems.

That is the problem with abortion is it is not used enough......

Most people should not be having kids. But the reality is the DUMB people who are pulling civilization down and have nothing to contribute are the ones having kids by the dozen. Most are probably illegitimate... thus the cycle continues!

Abortion should also be employed outside of the womb - and maybe should be extended to cover morons of ALL ages, not just those who happen to still inside the mother.

Hell I would ever be happy if some of my tax money went for these post-birth abortions!

Maybe I should start making a list....
Torone is your father, isn't he?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:[/b][/quote]


Each person? Does the include mother and father?

What if they dissagree? Does the woman always get her way? If so does the father still have obligations?

Lot of tough questions.

Maybe we should just abort all 3....

[Winetalk.com]

blah-blah-blah to all your against/pro arguments...
EVERYBODY should do with their bodies what pleases them,
as long as they are not danger to others
(like Labrets on shrooms)
;-))

what is your problem with that????

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:


Each person? Does the include mother and father?

What if they dissagree? Does the woman always get her way? If so does the father still have obligations?

Lot of tough questions.

Maybe we should just abort all 3....[/b][/quote]
I believe there was a nation in (old) Europe in the last century that had policies that would warm your heart.

Damn, I hope you get your water back on soon - you are AWFULLY cranky tonight.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 25 2004, 08:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 25 2004, 08:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:


Each person? Does the include mother and father?

What if they dissagree? Does the woman always get her way? If so does the father still have obligations?

Lot of tough questions.

Maybe we should just abort all 3....
I believe there was a nation in (old) Europe in the last century that had policies that would warm your heart.

Damn, I hope you get your water back on soon - you are AWFULLY cranky tonight.[/b][/quote]

PD you are correct, I am cranky tonight....
<_<

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:


Each person? Does the include mother and father?

What if they dissagree? Does the woman always get her way? If so does the father still have obligations?

Lot of tough questions.

Maybe we should just abort all 3....[/b][/quote]
fuck the father,
his opinion is irrelevant, plus...the ONLY known, beyond the reasonable doubt fact is WHO is the real mother,
the real father is always in doubt....which is the reason why Jews follow blood line thru mother and not father.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 25 2004, 08:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 25 2004, 08:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:


Each person? Does the include mother and father?

What if they dissagree? Does the woman always get her way? If so does the father still have obligations?

Lot of tough questions.

Maybe we should just abort all 3....
fuck the father,
his opinion is irrelevant, plus...the ONLY known, beyond the reasonable doubt fact is WHO is the real mother,
the real father is always in doubt....which is the reason why Jews follow blood line thru mother and not father.[/b][/quote]
I understand the maternal patronage....

But with modern DNA, its easy to find out who the dad is.

I have seen it done on Jerry springer show!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 25 2004, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 25 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Feb 25 2004, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 25 2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 08:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hooper@Feb 25 2004, 07:11 PM
serge, pro-abortion and pro-choice arent the same thing.

i happen to dislike abortion and wouldnt choose it.. but i think each person should get to make their own decision.

so it should be.. are you "pro choice? or are you anti-choice?"
:okthumb:


Each person? Does the include mother and father?

What if they dissagree? Does the woman always get her way? If so does the father still have obligations?

Lot of tough questions.

Maybe we should just abort all 3....
fuck the father,
his opinion is irrelevant, plus...the ONLY known, beyond the reasonable doubt fact is WHO is the real mother,
the real father is always in doubt....which is the reason why Jews follow blood line thru mother and not father.
I understand the maternal patronage....

But with modern DNA, its easy to find out who the dad is.

I have seen it done on Jerry springer show![/b][/quote]
still.....it's mother's body after all and....she is not responcible for get knocked up,
father was horny and she was just drunk,
or this would never happened
;-)))

[TeenGodFather]

Hell yeah, I'm pro-abortion.
At one point I thought my GF was pregnant. I was so fucking scared it wasn't even funny. We use condoms now. Which sucks.

[slavdogg]

i'm pro sex

and pro mandatory abortion for unwed welfare moms and dads, crack heads, crack whores, PETA supporters, Muslims, bums and low IQ having matha fuckers

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by cj+Feb 25 2004, 07:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Feb 25 2004, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:17 PM
I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something
If you can't take responsibility for your wad, please leave it in your sack.

The last thing this world needs is more people who think abortion is a way out of an undesirable situation.[/b][/quote]
Bingo!! And that's why I have the stand on the issue that I do!! Whether you're a guy or a girl when you have sex you better be prepared for the resulting consequences.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Feb 25 2004, 06:36 PM
i'm pro sex

and pro mandatory abortion for unwed welfare moms and dads, crack heads, crack whores, PETA supporters, Muslims, bums and low IQ having matha fuckers
You forgot Christians.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Feb 25 2004, 08:53 PM
Hell yeah, I'm pro-abortion.
At one point I thought my GF was pregnant. I was so fucking scared it wasn't even funny. We use condoms now. Which sucks.
Why not use the pill??

[cj]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Feb 25 2004, 09:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Feb 25 2004, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -cj@Feb 25 2004, 07:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:17 PM
I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something
If you can't take responsibility for your wad, please leave it in your sack.

The last thing this world needs is more people who think abortion is a way out of an undesirable situation.
Bingo!! And that's why I have the stand on the issue that I do!! Whether you're a guy or a girl when you have sex you better be prepared for the resulting consequences.[/b][/quote]
yes but mistakes happen ... why should you have to pay for it for the rest of your life? more importantly, why should the child have to pay for it for the rest of its life?

sometimes, its just the right thing to do ... and sometimes its the easy way out

ask pushpills mom!!!!!

[Vick]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Feb 25 2004, 07:07 PM
I would allow abortion in cases of rape, incest, or life of the mother only.
Are you going to pay for all the crack babies that welfare supports now? :blink:
Who don't have decent opportunity?
Are you going to adopt unwanted children?

Sorry that's rough but ........

[Vick]

First - I don't have a uterus so it's not really my choice nor does my opinion matter

Second - I am Pro-Family, that being said it must be a FAMILY.
One of the few things Bill Clinton said I agree with is it would be a better world if there was a loving home for every unwanted child

Third - Abortion should be safe, legal (and free in cases of low income mothers who desire one, pay for the abortion rather that spend 30K+ per year on incarceration later).
I can't say welfare mothers should be FORCED to have abortions but they should be encouraged to do so by financial means

Until you have adopted unwanted crack babies or an unwanted child or a child that would be born into bad circumstances your stance against abortion is lip service and absolute bullshit


(I have personally paid dearly for my beliefs, yes the courage of my convictions came at a high price)

[davecummings]

I'm the son of a Catholic father who was one of seven children, and of a catholic mother who was one of 21 children (all single births and same mother--and father(?)); I'm pro-abortion totally.

As soon as my ex-wife and I had a daughter followed by a son, I got the vasectomy--infact, while driving home from the Army Hospital after the 1969 procedure and noticing a lot of people going into that Catholic Chapel at noontime, I realized that I had it on Dec 8th, the feastday of the Immaculate Conception.

I've now been divorced for 18+ years, and am now an Agnostic:-)))

Dave
www.davecummings.com
:bwave:

[chodadog]

I believe a woman should have the right to abort, but it still sickens me. Whether the law acknowledges it or not, you are killing an innocent human life. Saying that, i would never expect any woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy. I think some women should have their tubes tied, though. I knew this girl; 17 years old and she had already had 4 or 5 abortions. Disturbing.

[Carrie]

That sole anti-abortion vote is mine.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by pushpills+Feb 25 2004, 04:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Feb 25 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -cj@Feb 25 2004, 04:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:17 PM
I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something
If you can't take responsibility for your wad, please leave it in your sack.

The last thing this world needs is more people who think abortion is a way out of an undesirable situation.
what is the OTHER reason for abortion?


it's all to avoid an undesirable situation, no?



and I'll spread my wad all over town thank you B)[/b][/quote]
YOU are the reason I voted pro-abortion, normally I'd be pro-choice.

Someone made the comment that it was killing an innocent baby or something along those lines. If you take that "innocent baby" out of the womb at 16 weeks and see if it can breathe on its own, much less eat or relieve itself of bodily waste, there is no argument I can see for calling it an innocent baby when it's nowhere near that in its state of development.

Once you get to that borderline state, then you have a whole other set of issues to deal with.

Thats the good thing about abortion, love it, hate it, you can almost always argue both sides with the same argument if you let enough time pass in the pregnancy ;)

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Feb 25 2004, 06:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Feb 25 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--TeenGodFather@Feb 25 2004, 08:53 PM
Hell yeah, I'm pro-abortion.
At one point I thought my GF was pregnant. I was so fucking scared it wasn't even funny. We use condoms now. Which sucks.
Why not use the pill??[/b][/quote]
She was on the pill, but she was moody, and quite frankly she was a pain to live with. Crying, sobbing, whining etc.. I'd rather use a sense-numbing rubbery thing on my dick than go through that again.

..although we're looking into other options, such as an intrauterine device or anal sex :yowsa:

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 25 2004, 03:55 PM
Gee, I don't consider myself pro abortion - I'm not FOR abortions, per se, but I do think every woman and man should make that decision themselves. You need a pro choice option in there. :awinky:
100% agree


spaz

[Almighty Colin]

Interesting terms. Pro-life. Pro-choice. Brilliant marketing.

I think the pro-lifers have a slightly better argument but I'm still pro-abortion. It's more consistent with my libertarian contruct.

"A woman's right to do what she wants with her body". That's really brilliant and of course, in our system of laws no one has a right to do what they want to with their body. Why anyone would make an exception for this rather than something else is well, it's all marketing and we know it.

[Hell Puppy]

First off, this is Oprano. Most of the ladies here are intelligent enough to protect themselves against getting pregnant if they dont want a baby. So I doubt the percentage who have had abortions is very high.

As for me, not pro-choice, definitely pro-abortion... I think you should be able to abort 'em right up to the point that they graduate, get a job and move out of the house. In fact, if they're making noise and being disruptive at a restaurant or during a movie, I think you should be able to abort someone else's child too....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie@Feb 26 2004, 02:40 AM
That sole anti-abortion vote is mine.
so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 26 2004, 08:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 26 2004, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Feb 26 2004, 02:40 AM
That sole anti-abortion vote is mine.
so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Watch out. She's knocked up, so those mommy hormones are raging thru her body...

[[Labret]]

I wish all your moms had loved abortion.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by gregtx@Feb 25 2004, 07:49 PM
I'm pro-choice.. but I also believe in adoption.. as an adopted kid ... I know how close I was to being an abortion...

:)
I believe in pro-choice and I believe there are times when abortion is the only answer; however it’s a delicate matter. On one hand I think a woman should have a baby and if she didn’t want it give it up for adoption but I know that any route she chooses it’s a difficult choice. Then I think about all the kids out there that aren’t adopted and then you look at people who adopt with ill-intent.

Here’s what I think…

When a girl comes to age where she can get pregnant she if taken to the doctor and a birth control implant is put in her. No exceptions. Once she feels she is ready to conceive she goes through a series of interviews and a few workshops, maybe volunteers at a child care facility. After some real thought the implant is removed. I think this would curtail many problems and there’s no issue of abortion, welfare abuse, etc.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Feb 26 2004, 05:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Feb 26 2004, 05:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gregtx@Feb 25 2004, 07:49 PM
I'm pro-choice.. but I also believe in adoption.. as an adopted kid ... I know how close I was to being an abortion...

:)
I believe in pro-choice and I believe there are times when abortion is the only answer; however it’s a delicate matter. On one hand I think a woman should have a baby and if she didn’t want it give it up for adoption but I know that any route she chooses it’s a difficult choice. Then I think about all the kids out there that aren’t adopted and then you look at people who adopt with ill-intent.

Here’s what I think…

When a girl comes to age where she can get pregnant she if taken to the doctor and a birth control implant is put in her. No exceptions. Once she feels she is ready to conceive she goes through a series of interviews and a few workshops, maybe volunteers at a child care facility. After some real thought the implant is removed. I think this would curtail many problems and there’s no issue of abortion, welfare abuse, etc.[/b][/quote]
yeah thats a good idea.
Then we could also decide that she doesnt meet a minimum income, or maybe shes ugly, or fat, or the wrong race (we dont want them people propagating now do we).

The extreme end of your argument would be the first thing brought up if this was ever even remotely considered as a potential law.


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Feb 26 2004, 08:20 AM
I wish all your moms had loved abortion.
show your mom your avatar and post her comments here....

[Winetalk.com]

cutting one's hairs - requires LICENSE
Driving - requires License
picking up garbage - requires Lecense

having children is NOT. The most important function in the society, bringing new life, does not require MINIMUM knowledge every other function in the society requires.

What's wrong with this picture?

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 05:42 AM
cutting one's hairs - requires LICENSE
Driving - requires License
picking up garbage - requires License

having children is NOT. The most important function in the society, bringing new life, does not require MINIMUM knowledge every other function in the society requires.

What's wrong with this picture?
cutting hair doesn't REQUIRE a license, it's just smart. Anyone can cut your hair if you let them. The license is supposed to represent the trusted opinion of an outside 3rd party
Driving license is a tax.......thats it. Oh sure they make you pass a test, but only to make you feel better about it.
I can take my trash to the landfill in the back of my truck if I so choose.... Which i do not

requiring a license to propagate the species is way to Orwellian for the vast majority of people in the world.

Its very concept is the height of arrogance


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 05:51 AM
you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA
Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Feb 26 2004, 09:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Feb 26 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 05:51 AM
you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA
Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz[/b][/quote]
do you have smart siblings or are you the only child?

your ignorance is of GFY proportion

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 26 2004, 06:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 26 2004, 06:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Feb 26 2004, 09:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 05:51 AM
you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA
Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz
do you have smart siblings or are you the only child?

your ignorance is of GFY proportion[/b][/quote]
LOL you kill me Serge honest to god
I disagree with you and BAM bring out the GFY BS
come on Rusky, relax a bit
you know chill...........
cant take a little nipple tweaking now and then?

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Feb 26 2004, 10:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Feb 26 2004, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by -spazlabz@Feb 26 2004, 09:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 05:51 AM
you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA
Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz
do you have smart siblings or are you the only child?

your ignorance is of GFY proportion
LOL you kill me Serge honest to god
I disagree with you and BAM bring out the GFY BS
come on Rusky, relax a bit
you know chill...........
cant take a little nipple tweaking now and then?

spaz[/b][/quote]
when you disagree with me in opinions-
that's all fine and dandy.

My remarks were addressed your ignorance about LICENSING issue,
and licensing ISSUE only.

want me educate you about licensing in USA?

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 26 2004, 07:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 26 2004, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Feb 26 2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by -spazlabz@Feb 26 2004, 09:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 05:51 AM
you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA
Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz
do you have smart siblings or are you the only child?

your ignorance is of GFY proportion
LOL you kill me Serge honest to god
I disagree with you and BAM bring out the GFY BS
come on Rusky, relax a bit
you know chill...........
cant take a little nipple tweaking now and then?

spaz
when you disagree with me in opinions-
that's all fine and dandy.

My remarks were addressed your ignorance about LICENSING issue,
and licensing ISSUE only.

want me educate you about licensing in USA?[/b][/quote]
ahhhhhhhhh nope not a real education by any stretch
but you could educate me specifically on the three examples listed. Never hurts to learn more
Here is my view
If you desire to cut hair commercially then you need a lisence..... not commercially then go for it
Driving a car.......Drivers licenses were originally instituted in the US as a means of generating tax revenue for the states.......you weren't always required to have either a license plate or a DL until it was realized what a tax benefit it could have on a state level. As time passed DLs were considered a way of making life safer in the US so the tests were instituted. Public safety, but the underlying motivation from the beginning was revenue for the states, thats why there is no standardize test for it. No federal DLs yet
Taking out the trash.........same as cutting hair. If you want to do it commercially...........well then..........
I will agree, if someone wishes to produce children commercially, they should be licensed and inspected on a regular basis, so you win the argument as far as kiddies go


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Feb 26 2004, 11:02 AM

ahhhhhhhhh nope not a real education by any stretch
but you could educate me specifically on the three examples listed. Never hurts to learn more
Here is my view
If you desire to cut hair commercially then you need a lisence..... not commercially then go for it
Driving a car.......Drivers licenses were originally instituted in the US as a means of generating tax revenue for the states.......you weren't always required to have either a license plate or a DL until it was realized what a tax benefit it could have on a state level. As time passed DLs were considered a way of making life safer in the US so the tests were instituted. Public safety, but the underlying motivation from the beginning was revenue for the states, thats why there is no standardize test for it. No federal DLs yet
Taking out the trash.........same as cutting hair. If you want to do it commercially...........well then..........
I will agree, if someone wishes to produce children commercially, they should be licensed and inspected on a regular basis, so you win the argument as far as kiddies go


spaz
I see your point and your accent on the COMMERCIAL issue.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 26 2004, 08:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 26 2004, 08:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Feb 26 2004, 02:40 AM
That sole anti-abortion vote is mine.
so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Allowing a baby to live would be the pinnacle of "live and let live", don't you think? :)

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Feb 26 2004, 07:58 AM
First off, this is Oprano. Most of the ladies here are intelligent enough to protect themselves against getting pregnant if they dont want a baby. So I doubt the percentage who have had abortions is very high.

As for me, not pro-choice, definitely pro-abortion... I think you should be able to abort 'em right up to the point that they graduate, get a job and move out of the house. In fact, if they're making noise and being disruptive at a restaurant or during a movie, I think you should be able to abort someone else's child too....
LMAO Hellpuppy - between this and the raging mommy hormones comment I think I might've pulled something :awinky:


Btw, just for statistical info, I've never had an abortion. I've gotten pregnant 3 times and have 2 kids, awaiting the outcome of the third.
And I was very much pro-choice until the moment I realized I was pregnant the first time - which was about 10 minutes after the sex that caused it. :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie+Feb 26 2004, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Feb 26 2004, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 08:03 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Feb 26 2004, 02:40 AM
That sole anti-abortion vote is mine.
so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))
Allowing a baby to live would be the pinnacle of "live and let live", don't you think? :)[/b][/quote]
no, I don't, as a matter of fact.

Bringing the human to the life of misery, poor education, horrors,
is irresponcible.
Some children would be better of unborn than born.

need examples?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 12:39 PM
no, I don't, as a matter of fact.

Bringing the human to the life of misery, poor education, horrors,
is irresponcible.
Some children would be better of unborn than born.

need examples?
That's in *your* opinion. And I think the same thing about some people, but you never know what will happen.
Many people thought Einstein was a worthless idiot and a waste of skin. There's tons of examples for both sides of the argument.

The thing is, though - you never know what a difference one person will make or what will become of them. People raised in the most horrible of conditions have gone on to be incredibly successful, leaders of the people, or inspirations to others, etc etc.
You just never know.

[LittleC]

I am pro sex !!! and lot's of it !!!

Can not take the pill..makes me tired or nuts (even more than now..lol)

and by looking at me I get pregnant.. had 3 abortions since age 18...

and yes my own fault I use those counting methods ... you have green days and red days and egg days.... I alwasy get horny on the red days....

no regrets and no shame. It is my body and I was and am not ready to be a good mother !

Respect to those who decide different ... I think I rather adopt a child than have one..

am scared for the giving birth part... :(


I love kids though & love to shop for them ! the baby clothes are sooo cute .. so I cuddle with my friends baby once in a while and I have my little doggy she thinks she is my baby....

Kids are great but I feel that you have to put your kids before your own needs and I could not be a part time mother... So I decide not to have one.. at least for the comming 10 years LOL

[Vick]

Originally posted by LittleC@Feb 26 2004, 02:27 PM
you have to put your kids before your own needs
:wnw: - great post

That's why I became a first time father at 39

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie+Feb 26 2004, 12:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Feb 26 2004, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2004, 12:39 PM
no, I don't, as a matter of fact.

Bringing the human to the life of misery, poor education, horrors,
is irresponcible.
Some children would be better of unborn than born.

need examples?
That's in *your* opinion. And I think the same thing about some people, but you never know what will happen.
Many people thought Einstein was a worthless idiot and a waste of skin. There's tons of examples for both sides of the argument.

The thing is, though - you never know what a difference one person will make or what will become of them. People raised in the most horrible of conditions have gone on to be incredibly successful, leaders of the people, or inspirations to others, etc etc.
You just never know.[/b][/quote]
and can you back it up with statistics?

what in your opinion the ratio of
suffering children vs "children who overcame"?

don't be shy, what is a few zeros between friends?

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by cj+Feb 25 2004, 09:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Feb 25 2004, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -TheEnforcer@Feb 25 2004, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by -cj@Feb 25 2004, 07:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--pushpills@Feb 25 2004, 07:17 PM
I'll never have one




but if I impregnate a girl, she'd better.....unless she has a really rich daddy or something
If you can't take responsibility for your wad, please leave it in your sack.

The last thing this world needs is more people who think abortion is a way out of an undesirable situation.
Bingo!! And that's why I have the stand on the issue that I do!! Whether you're a guy or a girl when you have sex you better be prepared for the resulting consequences.
yes but mistakes happen ... why should you have to pay for it for the rest of your life? more importantly, why should the child have to pay for it for the rest of its life?

sometimes, its just the right thing to do ... and sometimes its the easy way out

ask pushpills mom!!!!![/b][/quote]
Yes, mistakes do happen and that is where responsibility comes in. Adoption or suck it up and make changes to your life to accomodate having a child.

There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy nowadays unexpected births should be MUCH lower than they actually are.

http://www.askmen.com/love/dzimmer_60/72_l...ve_answers.html (http://www.askmen.com/love/dzimmer_60/72_love_answers.html)

I cannot WAIT until this becomes available. I would use that pill in a heartbeat.

[JR]

30 coat hangers.

[LittleC]

LOL JR - nowdays we use the vacuum cleaner:)))

enforcer, we eat meat like baby cows and baby chickens.... they already developped more brain than the little 6 weeks eggs when you get pregnant...

And believe me no woman wants to get pregnant and have an abortion. It's not a nice feeling and the hormons the body starts producing have to get normal again....

Let me know when the pill is available - I'll make hubby take it LOL

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 25 2004, 03:55 PM
Gee, I don't consider myself pro abortion - I'm not FOR abortions, per se, but I do think every woman and man should make that decision themselves. You need a pro choice option in there. :awinky:
Pro choice & pro abortion...

I do think some people are a bit too retarded to make thier own choices however....we see that every day in certain governments ;-)

[The Toad]

Someone made the comment that it was killing an innocent baby or something along those lines. If you take that "innocent baby" out of the womb at 16 weeks and see if it can breathe on its own, much less eat or relieve itself of bodily waste, there is no argument I can see for calling it an innocent baby when it's nowhere near that in its state of development.

There isn't much difference between a 16week and a new born. Both are TOTALLY dependent on the parent to live.

I'm personally for pro-choice. However, I disagree with abortion being used as a means for birth control. Especially when there are so many safe methods available to men and women. If a woman is using abortion as a means of birthcontrol purely because she and her mate are to damn lazy to cover the stump or take a pill, she should be sterilized after her second abortion. Problem solved...the dumb people can't have kids anymore.