Mike AI - Steve Sweet is calling you out!

[Max Sweet]

Steve is sick and tired of all these posts from people who don't know ANYTHING
about this case talking out their ass. What this industry needs is a cohesive
group to fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business. Steve is taking his stand
for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
Special thanks to Good Chris, Evil Chris and Raw Alex for their support.

So Mike - I've been authorized by Steve to post a proposal for a private wager.

Since you're so sure he will be convicted in his trial he's offering to personally bet you $11,000.

That's right. $11k.

That's $1000 per count. There are currently 11 counts against him and for every count he is found guilty he will pay you $1000.
For every count he's found not guilty you will pay $1000 towards our already extensive legal bills.

What do you say Mike? Ready to put your money where your mouth is?

In Steve's own words: "Tell that loudmouth punk to put up or shut up!"

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 03:42 PM
Steve is sick and tired of all these posts from people who don't know ANYTHING
about this case talking out their ass. What this industry needs is a cohesive
group to fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business. Steve is taking his stand
for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
Special thanks to Good Chris, Evil Chris and Raw Alex for their support.

So Mike - I've been authorized by Steve to post a proposal for a private wager.

Since you're so sure he will be convicted in his trial he's offering to personally bet you $11,000.

That's right. $11k.

That's $1000 per count. There are currently 11 counts against him and for every count he is found guilty he will pay you $1000.
For every count he's found not guilty you will pay $1000 towards our already extensive legal bills.

What do you say Mike? Ready to put your money where your mouth is?

In Steve's own words: "Tell that loudmouth punk to put up or shut up!"


First, there is no coheisve industry. This is an industry where people fuck each other day in and day out. If someone can make an extra dime by shaving a little more they do it. If someone can make a little more by doing shady cross sales, cramming of credit cards they will. If they can make a little more money by pushing the boundaries of porn, then will.

Is Steve looking out for me? Is Steve helping out those being sued by Acacia?

As far as the bet, no way I am going to make it. I do not know the Canadian legal system, nor do I know the prosecutors. Many times cases come down to who has the better attorneys ( Do you think OJ is really innocent?). So I am not going to put my money on some prosecutor that works for the Candian gov't!

Steve should be focusing on his legal battles, not worrying making bets with "loud mouth punks" and the false fantasty of industry cohesivness.

[mojobill]

I have seen some of Steve's content. I am not sure whether he should be convicted or not, but his stuff is WAY over the line.


MikeAI


so.... HUH?

[Winetalk.com]

What this industry needs is a cohesive
group to fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business.
************************************************** ******

I don't know about ALL,
but I can live with 90% of _all_ to be out of this business
;-))))

I also volunteer my services to hold $11,000 in escrow acount in any currency of your choice!

(no conversion fees, I swear!)

[JR]

can you play the clip where the model is choking on his cum and she pulls her head away and he gets pissed off and starts yelling at her "for ruining my cum shot" before we make a decision?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by fatbaby@Feb 20 2004, 04:22 PM
I have seen some of Steve's content. I am not sure whether he should be convicted or not, but his stuff is WAY over the line.


MikeAI


so.... HUH?


I stand by this statement.

I do not know Canadian obscenity law, but some of the content Steve has produced I personally find in poor taste, and think that it helps bring the wrong kind of attention to this industry.

If the Sweets want to talk about cohesiveness, we should be asking them why they are making our cohesive group look so bad, and being put under a microscope from ashcroft, and other anti-porn people by producing content with girls being urinated on, and other things like this.

The Sweets have pushed the limits for their OWN personal benefits - $$$. ( which is a great thing, that is what industry is about) But don't expect the rest of us to cheer and support them!

[Vick]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 03:42 PM
What this industry needs is a cohesive group to fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business.

Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.

No - this industry does not need a cohesive group to "fight the forces that want to put us ALL out of business"

- I prefer my own company and don't want to or care to be included with some in the industry

and no thanks, I don't care to support anyone but myself or anyone's cause but my own

I don't wish any harm or ill will to the Sweet's but their fight is just that, their fight - not mine and please don't candy coat anything or suggest any support should be offered

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 04:42 PM
So Mike - I've been authorized by Steve to post a proposal for a private wager.

Since you're so sure he will be convicted in his trial
Max, could you or Steve show me where Michael said this? I haven't seen it. :unsure:

[Max Sweet]

As far as the bet, no way I am going to make it. I do not know the Canadian legal system, nor do I know the prosecutors.

Hmmm.. point proven. No one knows any details of the case so judging before hand is presumptuous.

As for a cohesive community, we never really expected support but that's when the fight gets more interesting.
All anyone REALLY has is their own talents and wits to get by and that's all we've ever really counted on.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Feb 20 2004, 04:33 PM
can you play the clip where the model is choking on his cum and she pulls her head away and he gets pissed off and starts yelling at her "for ruining my cum shot" before we make a decision?
neither Martha Stewart, nor Steve were aware of what was going on, your Honor!

All those fabrications are manufactured by those antisemites who beleive that Holocost never existed!

[JR]

all this innocence from someone advertising Max Hardcore in his sig.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 04:46 PM
As far as the bet, no way I am going to make it. I do not know the Canadian legal system, nor do I know the prosecutors.

Hmmm.. point proven. No one knows any details of the case so judging before hand is presumptuous.

As for a cohesive community, we never really expected support but that's when the fight gets more interesting.
All anyone REALLY has is their own talents and wits to get by and that's all we've ever really counted on.


Can Steve send over one of the smarter "Sweets"? I fear I am wasting valueable key stroke on a moron.

[JR]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.

[Max Sweet]

Mike I don't even know you and you don't know me. I posted a legitimate offer for a wager from Steve, that's all. How does this make me a moron?

JR - The area of BDSM has always been grey in Canadian law. We felt that this lifestyle has come a long way in the last 2 decades and that it was time for the law to start reflecting these changes. True that they came after us but we are going to use the opportunity to change things hopefully for the better...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR+Feb 20 2004, 04:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Feb 20 2004, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.[/b][/quote]
I never seen Steve's content,
I met him in Vegas and enjoyed his company
(no, he wasn't choking me with his dick)

I can only quote Goidfather when he said NO to Solozzo (the Turk)
"It's not my business how you make your living"

I don't ask anybody to share my views,
cuz at the end of the day it all doesn't matter.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JR+Feb 20 2004, 04:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Feb 20 2004, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.[/b][/quote]


Don't you know Oprano is home of the No Spin Zone!

Don't feed us bullshit saying how Steve is fighting for us! He is fighting for himself.

It comes down to cost/benefit analysis. Steve gambled, and probably made some nice money by taking risks others passed on- thus he benefited. Now the cost is coming back around...

Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 20 2004, 05:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 20 2004, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Feb 20 2004, 04:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.


Don't you know Oprano is home of the No Spin Zone!

Don't feed us bullshit saying how Steve is fighting for us! He is fighting for himself.

It comes down to cost/benefit analysis. Steve gambled, and probably made some nice money by taking risks others passed on- thus he benefited. Now the cost is coming back around...

Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....[/b][/quote]
fuck you, Mike,
stop reading my mind,
you posted my thoughts VERBATUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DrGuile]

Maybe he wants to become a Martyr....

:agrin:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 20 2004, 05:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 20 2004, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 20 2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by -JR@Feb 20 2004, 04:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.


Don't you know Oprano is home of the No Spin Zone!

Don't feed us bullshit saying how Steve is fighting for us! He is fighting for himself.

It comes down to cost/benefit analysis. Steve gambled, and probably made some nice money by taking risks others passed on- thus he benefited. Now the cost is coming back around...

Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....
fuck you, Mike,
stop reading my mind,
you posted my thoughts VERBATUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b][/quote]


Serge I know you were thinking the same thing, that is why at the same time I was posting, I pulled my pants down!

:D

[Peaches]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Feb 20 2004, 06:18 PM
Maybe he wants to become a Martyr....

:agrin:
Being a martyr would fall under the BDSM lifestyle, no? B)

[Max Sweet]

Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....

Truthfully Mike you're just the fall guy that's all. We thought we'd try and spice things up around here as every one likes a good bet!

[Max Sweet]

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 20 2004, 02:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 20 2004, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--DrGuile@Feb 20 2004, 06:18 PM
Maybe he wants to become a Martyr....

:agrin:
Being a martyr would fall under the BDSM lifestyle, no? B)[/b][/quote]

LOL.. we're getting the cross built for the dungeon as we speak.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 05:20 PM
Not sure what this has to do with me? or why I should be cheering Steve on. I do not remember getting any benefits from Steve....

Truthfully Mike you're just the fall guy that's all. We thought we'd try and spice things up around here as every one likes a good bet!
Max I only bet when I know the outcome.... :D

[Winetalk.com]

ok, you wanna spice?
I give you spice,
I'll take the bet .

send MikeAI $11,000 to hold in escrow acount and I'll do the same

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 20 2004, 05:41 PM
ok, you wanna spice?
I give you spice,
I'll take the bet .

send MikeAI $11,000 to hold in escrow acount and I'll do the same
:okthumb:

Now I know what the outcome will be.................... :groucho:

[Winetalk.com]

so.....do you need his wiring instructions?

[Monk]

MikeAI is getting called out?

What was he IN? The closet? The duldrums?

[Max Sweet]

Awesome! Now we're talking.

Our lawyer will need to get involved in drawing up an agreement
but Steve has no problems with putting up the money into an escrow account.

Email me the details here: max AT sweetentertainment dot com

I don't know if you have his contact info but I can include that in an email reply.

Let's get it on!

[sarettah]

A lawyer needed for a bet ???

Man, this industry has changed...... :headwall:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 06:47 PM
Awesome! Now we're talking.

Our lawyer will need to get involved in drawing up an agreement
but Steve has no problems with putting up the money into an escrow account.

Email me the details here: max AT sweetentertainment dot com

I don't know if you have his contact info but I can include that in an email reply.

Let's get it on!
wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????

[sarettah]

:popcorn: :bjump: :cdance: :bojump: :cdance: :bjump:

[KC]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 20 2004, 06:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 20 2004, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 06:47 PM
Awesome! Now we're talking.

Our lawyer will need to get involved in drawing up an agreement
but Steve has no problems with putting up the money into an escrow account.

Email me the details here: max AT sweetentertainment dot com

I don't know if you have his contact info but I can include that in an email reply.

Let's get it on!
wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????[/b][/quote]
That's a "SWEET" bet!

[KC]

I apologize in advance for the lame pun!

[cj]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 20 2004, 06:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 20 2004, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 06:47 PM
Awesome! Now we're talking.

Our lawyer will need to get involved in drawing up an agreement
but Steve has no problems with putting up the money into an escrow account.

Email me the details here: max AT sweetentertainment dot com

I don't know if you have his contact info but I can include that in an email reply.

Let's get it on!
wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????[/b][/quote]
and if he loses he can pay the half a mil by making some video's in prison ...

i'm sure the attitude to bondage is very open there!

[Max Sweet]

Woah woah let's just see if you can handle the 11k first Sege.

But just for the record there is no way in HELL there will be
jail time involved. Even if it does happen we've been wanting to
open a gay site anyway and that's one place to get free talent LOL

[JR]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 02:09 PM

JR - The area of BDSM has always been grey in Canadian law. We felt that this lifestyle has come a long way in the last 2 decades and that it was time for the law to start reflecting these changes. True that they came after us but we are going to use the opportunity to change things hopefully for the better...
i remember when all this happened and i remember reading the charges/accusations in some form. it was a while ago and i don't remember if it was actual documents posted on the boards or articles or what. I do remember taking a big interest in what was going on because its something that could affect everyone.

i also remember doing some research and reaching the opinion that Canadian law was anything but gray as others have already pointed out in this thread and after hearing the stories and seeing the content, i found it fairly easy to accept that the charges possibly had merit. the allegations as i recall were very specific as well. So when you combine very black and white laws, with very specific allegations and charges in what will surely be a high profile case, a prudent thing to do would be to give the prosecution the benefit of the doubt.

i think its a big stretch to suggest that there is a victem here. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting there is an unfair witch hunt going on. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting that the content does not push the limits of the law. At best, everyone is saying "Steve is a nice guy, i wish him the best" which is great. I am sure he is a nice guy with a log of friends and there is no question that he has been around.

but there is no martyr here. even you just said yourself "has always been a grey area of Canadian law" - well... if you believe that to be true, then why push the limits of that "gray area" knowing that you will be making yourself a target? that was a choice. just like standing in front of a train is a choice. that choice we see, now has consequences... just as every choice does.

this situation to me seems to be similar to what happened to Extreme Associates... you push the limits and you bring the wrong kind of attention to your business and to the industry while at the same time making yourself the most obvious target. when those guys ran into legal problems, the entire industry did not rally behind them in a show of support... the rolled their eyes and said "it was just a matter of time and i hope it does not create too much problems for us"... just as people are with this issue.

[cj]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 07:50 PM
Woah woah let's just see if you can handle the 11k first Sege.

LMFAO

translation: fuck off, steve doesn't have 500k to spare on a bet and he's not that confident of winning

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 07:50 PM
Woah woah let's just see if you can handle the 11k first Sege.

But just for the record there is no way in HELL there will be
jail time involved. Even if it does happen we've been wanting to
open a gay site anyway and that's one place to get free talent LOL
Max,
I dunno about you, but I KNOW Steve and what makes him tick...he LIVES for the shit like that.

My wife, LadyLaw, knows him even better...not carnally, but nevertheless.
Just pass the offer and see what happens.

Sorry I showed no interest in 11k bet,
I don't play for peanuts.

I see, I cum, I conquer...not bad for a sub if you ask me
;-0)))))

I have GREAT confidence that even if Steve loses,
he'll enjoy prison time more than the most of us,
and 2/3rd of the prison be his bitches in a matter of 2 weeks.

so......are we gonna play or whistle Dixie?????
(or should I spell it like dicksie?, English is my 3rd language, you have to bare with me ;-)))))

[Max Sweet]

JR - Good post. It looks like you've put a lot of thought into it. However I don't think the Extreme case is any comparison as the BDSM content we produce is not that much different than half a dozen other sites producing content in the US. What this REALLY boils down to is the local police and what their definitions are. We'll soon see if the court agrees with them or not.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JR+Feb 20 2004, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Feb 20 2004, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 02:09 PM

JR - The area of BDSM has always been grey in Canadian law. We felt that this lifestyle has come a long way in the last 2 decades and that it was time for the law to start reflecting these changes. True that they came after us but we are going to use the opportunity to change things hopefully for the better...
i remember when all this happened and i remember reading the charges/accusations in some form. it was a while ago and i don't remember if it was actual documents posted on the boards or articles or what. I do remember taking a big interest in what was going on because its something that could affect everyone.

i also remember doing some research and reaching the opinion that Canadian law was anything but gray as others have already pointed out in this thread and after hearing the stories and seeing the content, i found it fairly easy to accept that the charges possibly had merit. the allegations as i recall were very specific as well. So when you combine very black and white laws, with very specific allegations and charges in what will surely be a high profile case, a prudent thing to do would be to give the prosecution the benefit of the doubt.

i think its a big stretch to suggest that there is a victem here. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting there is an unfair witch hunt going on. NO ONE, Canadian or otherwise is suggesting that the content does not push the limits of the law. At best, everyone is saying "Steve is a nice guy, i wish him the best" which is great. I am sure he is a nice guy with a log of friends and there is no question that he has been around.

but there is no martyr here. even you just said yourself "has always been a grey area of Canadian law" - well... if you believe that to be true, then why push the limits of that "gray area" knowing that you will be making yourself a target? that was a choice. just like standing in front of a train is a choice. that choice we see, now has consequences... just as every choice does.

this situation to me seems to be similar to what happened to Extreme Associates... you push the limits and you bring the wrong kind of attention to your business and to the industry while at the same time making yourself the most obvious target. when those guys ran into legal problems, the entire industry did not rally behind them in a show of support... the rolled their eyes and said "it was just a matter of time and i hope it does not create too much problems for us"... just as people are with this issue.[/b][/quote]


This pretty much sums it up.

[JR]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 05:59 PM
JR - Good post. It looks like you've put a lot of thought into it. However I don't think the Extreme case is any comparison as the BDSM content we produce is not that much different than half a dozen other sites producing content in the US. What this REALLY boils down to is the local police and what their definitions are. We'll soon see if the court agrees with them or not.
Extreme is "similar". they pushed the limits, made themselves a target and it eventually it came back to haunt them. Unless Canadian law is different and legal decisions are made by trial by combat or by jousting in the parking lot, then it ALWAYS about interpretation.... that of the defense and the prosecutors... and their interpetations of law, of events, of actions and so on.

you are now saying its about "interpretations of a gray area of the law" without acknowledging that you pushed the limits of that gray area... made a conscious choice to base a large part of your business on dealing with that gray area.. then you later cry fowl when it all goes wrong.

i wish you guys luck, i really do. i dont have a problem with anything you have done with consenting models. but the law often does. in fact, the law does in a very wide variety of situations. even more often, those people enforcing the law have a big problem with it. In the end, the law is interpreted by people. those people have their own tastes, their own agendas, their own opinions and their own interpretations of what is and is not legal. if you are choosing to live and work in a gray area... then you cannot possibly be surprised at various interpretations... nor of the consequences as a result of different interpretations.

all that matters in the end, are those interpretations of the law by the same people who will be giving the orders to kick your doors in, arrest you, sieze your assets and put you in prison.



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[Evil Chris]

Oh, are we starting to look at this clearly now?

Or JR, do you still say.. "play with fire...." ?

Incidentally, I wonder... did you vote in this poll? (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=9382&s=186be70bba759a579bfa9fc1aa5ff442)
What did you vote?

[JR]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 20 2004, 06:31 PM
Oh, are we starting to look at this clearly now?

Or JR, do you still say.. "play with fire...." ?

Incidentally, I wonder... did you vote in this poll? (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=9382&s=186be70bba759a579bfa9fc1aa5ff442)
What did you vote?
clearly? as if there are other facts than "its a gray area" , "we work in that gray area"

i dont know all the details, but i have not seen anything to indicate that the above does not represent the core issue.

how does it get more clear? i dont know everything. i just know what i know. if there are more facts, then they should be posted so people are forming opinions based on the facts of the case rather than what they have seen about content and heard about model complaints or based on the fact. instead, we are hearing that its all unfair from a person talking about being a victem and about "grey areas of the law" who is also promoting a guy who holds a girl down, pisses into her mouth with her trying to resist and begins to choke on his unrin and begins to cry in his sig?



Last edited by JR at Feb 20 2004, 06:42 PM

[JR]

am i the only one that thinks this press release makes little sense

The Crown alleges that eleven (11) video vignettes are obscene under Canadian law. The videos consist of one (1) Pee Lovers scene, two (2) Miss Pain scenes, and eight (8) Sado Slaves scenes. With the exception of the Pee Lovers scene, the performances in question all document bondage and discipline/sado-masochistic play.

The Crown alleges that the videos are obscene because they combine explicit sex with cruelty, and violence, which is statutorily prohibited in Canada under s. 163 (8) of the Criminal Code of Canada.

Mr. Sweet will be launching a vigorous defense to the charges including leading expert evidence regarding the popularity of BDSM, the safe sane and consensual nature of the acts depicted in the vignettes and the unlikelihood of any substantial risk of harm.

the "other people like it and do it so its ok" defense?

that does not sound like a missunderstanding in interpretations of the law to me.

[Evil Chris]

If you don't know everything, then why all the comments like "he's pushed the boundaries", "play with fire..." etc.. ?

I "clearly" look at the SEG situation at face value, making no judgements about it. Boundary? What boundary? It's not up to me to decide.

[JR]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 20 2004, 06:46 PM
If you don't know everything, then why all the comments like "he's pushed the boundaries", "play with fire..." etc.. ?

I "clearly" look at the SEG situation at face value, making no judgements about it. Boundary? What boundary? It's not up to me to decide.
i have read the laws and seen the content and read peoples comments. thats all i have to form an opinion. like most people, i have formed an opinion based on what i know. it does not mean i am right... but again, no one is presenting anything to change my (and apparently anyone else's) opinion either.

why is a remark like "he pushed the boundaries" out of line or not truthful?
I have not seen anyone disagree with that remark.

[JR]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 20 2004, 06:46 PM
Boundary? What boundary? It's not up to me to decide.
this is my point. we dont decide. it was already decided. those boundaries exist already in black and white.

it does not seem to be a question about defining them as it does an issue of enforceing them.

[Carrie]

This is a poker game, pockets are in hand and the flop hasn't come up yet.
Steve/Max drop $11k on the table.
Serge grins evilly, sees the $11k, and raises half a mil.

Will we get to see the flop???



Last edited by Carrie at Feb 20 2004, 10:51 PM

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Carrie@Feb 20 2004, 10:51 PM
This is a poker game, pockets are in hand and the flop hasn't come up yet.
Steve/Max drop $11k on the table.
Serge grins evilly, sees the $11k, and raises half a mil.

Will we get to see the flop???

Carrie you are a poker addict!!

I caught myself making poker references a lore more lately as well...

[BradShaw]

Gamesmanship by Serge. "$500K" is like asking serges version of a rhetorical question. Steves peeps would be best to not worry about chat boards, and worry about what matters, the courts. This is a game, the charges that Steve faces are serious.

[juliansosa]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 20 2004, 03:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 20 2004, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 06:47 PM
Awesome! Now we're talking.

Our lawyer will need to get involved in drawing up an agreement
but Steve has no problems with putting up the money into an escrow account.

Email me the details here: max AT sweetentertainment dot com

I don't know if you have his contact info but I can include that in an email reply.

Let's get it on!
wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????[/b][/quote]
I love Serge

[Rolo]

Are we talking about canadian or us dollars? :unsure:

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 20 2004, 04:49 PM
First, there is no coheisve industry. This is an industry where people fuck each other day in and day out. If someone can make an extra dime by shaving a little more they do it. If someone can make a little more by doing shady cross sales, cramming of credit cards they will. If they can make a little more money by pushing the boundaries of porn, then will.
My comment here has nothing to do with this thread or the Sweets, I just have to say that, regretably, I totally agree with the above statement, and it's refreshing to see someone with the balls to say it like it is, Mike. :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Rolo@Feb 21 2004, 07:28 AM
Are we talking about canadian or us dollars? :unsure:
I should have put Euros to eliviate the confusions
;-((((

[GoodChris]

Originally posted by JR+Feb 20 2004, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Feb 20 2004, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.[/b][/quote]
Actually, if I am not mistaken, Steve could have backed off, paid a fine, pulled the content that was in question and continued on his merry way.

He chose to stand up and fight for what he believes to be right. So, that being the case, he is standing up and fighting and in the end, it DOES affect all of those that produce content.

[JR]

Originally posted by GoodChris+Feb 21 2004, 10:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GoodChris @ Feb 21 2004, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Feb 20 2004, 01:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Max Sweet@Feb 20 2004, 12:42 PM
Steve is taking his stand for what he believes in and we would appreciate support from adult webmasters and specifically the BDSM community.
also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.
Actually, if I am not mistaken, Steve could have backed off, paid a fine, pulled the content that was in question and continued on his merry way.

He chose to stand up and fight for what he believes to be right. So, that being the case, he is standing up and fighting and in the end, it DOES affect all of those that produce content.[/b][/quote]
"if i not mistaken" he is facing criminal charges. that does not sound like a choice to me.

again... maybe we are missing a piece of the puzzle? i have never heard that he was offered a choice to just stop what he was doing.

[Winetalk.com]

JR, the missing piece of the puzzle is worth between 11k and 500k....
;-)))

[JR]

i am just really confused on the whole martyrdom thing. someone works in a shady area of the business... claims awareness that there is little to no legal protection... then pushes the limits of what is admittedly a gray area... gets arrested, criminal charges are filed, then its said they are doing it for everyone.

i dont get it.

no 70 virgins for me :(

[Max Sweet]

Serge you know the bet we offered.

We all know you're not serious about 500k
so are you gonna stop blowing
smoke out your ass and take it or what?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 21 2004, 03:41 PM
Serge you know the bet we offered.

We all know you're not serious about 500k
so are you gonna stop blowing
smoke out your ass and take it or what?
Max,
you child bet could be good for GFYers, this is Oprano, we don't play with pocket change....

Every day I buy and sell hundreds of thousands dollars worth of stocks, bonds, commodities...not because I need the money, but because that excites me.
Betting for $11,000 has as much excitement for me as watching my grass grow.

I thought you, out of all people would understand the excitement of EXTREME situations, kinda like your content....don't you REALLY get it??????? I can't beleive it....

I'll give you another example what excitement is:
watching Brad's board fail -
is NOT excitement, it's a bore..
watching Brad break Lensman's back IS excitement...
nothing makes more noises than the colossus on the paper legs drop and smack on the ground
;-)))

did you get my drift now, or do I still have to make my point more understandable?

[Winetalk.com]

max,
if you STILL didn't get my point,
than,
http://justblowme.com
;-)))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Max Sweet@Feb 21 2004, 03:41 PM
We all know you're not serious about 500k

Hmmm.... I think we (meaning the Oprano regulars) think that Serge is dead serious on this one....

(although if you check the history, when he wins, he might settle for a $1.00 check with the words "You were right Serge" written on it... )


disclaimer: nothing that I say counts in anyway whatsoever...ever.... :yowsa:

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Feb 21 2004, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Feb 21 2004, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 20 2004, 04:49 PM
First, there is no coheisve industry. This is an industry where people fuck each other day in and day out. If someone can make an extra dime by shaving a little more they do it. If someone can make a little more by doing shady cross sales, cramming of credit cards they will. If they can make a little more money by pushing the boundaries of porn, then will.
My comment here has nothing to do with this thread or the Sweets, I just have to say that, regretably, I totally agree with the above statement, and it's refreshing to see someone with the balls to say it like it is, Mike. :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
Balls??!! Doesn't take balls to make that statement, only eyes. That is the nature of the beast and not just for this industry...........this industry is not unique in its ability and willingness to fuck one another over.
Free Will + Free Enterprise + Big Money = Cut Throat 'Only The Strongest Thrive' Business model.

Oh and Max, I have been a fan of SEG for a loooooooooooooong time, but if you think Serge is 'joking' about a half mil bet then call him on it. Agree to it. I don't know Serge, have never met him eyeball to eyeball but I get the impression that he isn't joking and he has brought his tape measure and $500K worth of cock and is waiting to see how SEG's measures up.
is it $11K worth of dick?
or
$500K?
Size does matter


spaz