Canadians don't like Dubaya

[Evil Chris]

Interesting article this week in MacLeans magazine...

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics...209_74911_74911 (http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics/article.jsp?content=20040209_74911_74911)

[Mike AI]

Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?

[Peaches]

I strongly suggest if the Canadiens don't like Bush that they not vote for him..... :awinky:

[Evil Chris]

You didn't read the article, Mike.

Shocker.



Last edited by Evil Chris at Feb 10 2004, 12:50 PM

[Buff]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 10:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
I thought Canada was a commune! Damn, learn something new everyday!

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 11:50 AM
You didn't read the article, Mike.

Shocker.
He probably doesn't read Canadian ... :rolleyes:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 11:50 AM
You didn't read the article, Mike.

Shocker.


I read the first 2 paragraphs, it was very predictible....

Sorry....

[RawAlex]

Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex
But....what does America get from Canada? Right now, we're basically protecting you since you have no real military. Seems like Canada would want to be our good neighbors rather than the other way around. :awinky:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM
But....what does America get from Canada?
Oil

NAFTA. :okthumb:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex
But....what does America get from Canada? Right now, we're basically protecting you since you have no real military. Seems like Canada would want to be our good neighbors rather than the other way around. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Peaches!! Stop it!! You are being an "ugly American"!! How dare you make posts questioning Canadians? :lol: :yowsa:

They make road signs after Canada - One Way!

Seriously, I do not blame Canada for their foreign policy. Every Nation must do what is in their best interest. If that means their policy does not match up with the US, that is their perogrative. Now only if Canadains would do the same for us.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex
But....what does America get from Canada? Right now, we're basically protecting you since you have no real military. Seems like Canada would want to be our good neighbors rather than the other way around. :awinky:[/b][/quote]


its hard for me to comprehend how people who work in a virtual environment like most of us put so much importance on their physical location...

interesting stuff I have to admit.

MikeAI, if you moved to Canada (God forbids), would you be the same person?
Then how would you feel when people like you shit on your head for being across an imaginary line?

All in all, I think most people on this board are good people, quite smart too. But I think a flaw shared by many is the utter lack of ability to put things into perspective.

Someone who wasnt too dumb said one day: " Its all relative"

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 10 2004, 09:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 10 2004, 09:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.[/b][/quote]
How provincial. You don't get around much, I guess Mike. There are way more of them than their are of you. You are only one player in the game and a player who is losing ground at the moment. Three things I know for sure, China is yanking your chain big time and you guys are being blindsided because of this kind of provincial thinking. You are not the world's only super power. And three, if Canada and the US had a falling out, your economy, as well as ours would suffer a freeking major, major recession. We would probably recover more quickly because it functions better and we aren't out on the margin at the moment. Just remember who your biggest trading partner is and we will do the same. The military argument is a non starter.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.[/b][/quote]
A very appropriate and rational statement for the turn of the century.

Unfortunately, it's appropriate and rational for the turn of the LAST century, and hardly relevant to the fight we are in today.

We are the biggest and the baddest. That means that no state can successfully challenge us at this point in time.

Problem with your attitude is that we are now up against an enemy that is essentially stateless. The power that we have to smash things is considerable. Unfortuntely, in THIS fight applying that power may be comprable to using a sledgehammer on a quantity of mercury. Oh, it'll break up all right ... but give it ten minutes after you quit applying that sledgehammer, and whattya think's gonna happen?

[J'sdude]

"THIS fight applying that power may be comprable to using a sledgehammer on a quantity of mercury. Oh, it'll break up all right ... but give it ten minutes after you quit applying that sledgehammer, and whattya think's gonna happen? "

I'll give you another analogy. America is stumbling through the world trying to kill wasps with a baseball bat. Doomed to failure. W is a moron. Plain and simple and unfortunately he is a moron with a baseball bat that will crush a few heads trying to kill wasps.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 12:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 12:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.
A very appropriate and rational statement for the turn of the century.

Unfortunately, it's appropriate and rational for the turn of the LAST century, and hardly relevant to the fight we are in today.

We are the biggest and the baddest. That means that no state can successfully challenge us at this point in time.

Problem with your attitude is that we are now up against an enemy that is essentially stateless. The power that we have to smash things is considerable. Unfortuntely, in THIS fight applying that power may be comprable to using a sledgehammer on a quantity of mercury. Oh, it'll break up all right ... but give it ten minutes after you quit applying that sledgehammer, and whattya think's gonna happen?[/b][/quote]


PD my post was just referencing OTHER nations, since we talking about Canada.

The actions of non-state actors have always played a part in world history. Al Quada is not the first. They are just the most recent threat.

The US needs to change to face this challenge, this includes foreign policy and militarily. I think it already has started. Before 9/11 we had a rocky relationship with Pakistan ( I know its far from perfect, and they should be helping us out more, but we are at least engaged). Before 9/11 we spent billions on heavy military platforms like Tanks, now we need to invest in special ops, ad unconvential warriors.

PD- I agree a sledgehammer is not needed in many cases. There are many ways to influence foreign affairs, but the REAL threat of the sledgehammer gets attention.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 12:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 09:04 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.
How provincial. You don't get around much, I guess Mike. There are way more of them than their are of you. You are only one player in the game and a player who is losing ground at the moment. Three things I know for sure, China is yanking your chain big time and you guys are being blindsided because of this kind of provincial thinking. You are not the world's only super power. And three, if Canada and the US had a falling out, your economy, as well as ours would suffer a freeking major, major recession. We would probably recover more quickly because it functions better and we aren't out on the margin at the moment. Just remember who your biggest trading partner is and we will do the same. The military argument is a non starter.[/b][/quote]


You have to be the most ignorant person on Oprano.

Thanks for contributing!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 12:22 PM
You are not the world's only super power.
Who else do you include as world superpowers? The Soviet Union disintegrated and as much as China will one day probably be a superpower I wouldn't consider them as such yet.

Consider the holy trinity of power; military, economic, and political.

China isn't even the largest economy in their region.

They play a small role on the international political stage - at least in comparison to the US. They are not even the dominant influential power in their region because of the Japanese/US relationship.

Can a nation that doesn't even have an aircraft carrier in the water yet be considered a military super power?

China faces incredible challenges just to continue their predicted rise to #2 or #3 economy in the world a generation from now. They not only have to deal with the likely internal political turmoil associated with much of their population desiring democracy but also potential threats from their immediate nearby neighbors (Japan, India, Russia, and Taiwan all of which have been the source of historical difficulties) and also what many communist nations have found to be unsustainable economic growth rates as the initial rise from forced urbanization and industrialization subsides (i.e. Russia). Oh yeah, and a massive population in a world of increasing communications serves up the possible threat of unrule.

There is only one superpower right now.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 10 2004, 09:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 10 2004, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 09:04 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.
How provincial. You don't get around much, I guess Mike. There are way more of them than their are of you. You are only one player in the game and a player who is losing ground at the moment. Three things I know for sure, China is yanking your chain big time and you guys are being blindsided because of this kind of provincial thinking. You are not the world's only super power. And three, if Canada and the US had a falling out, your economy, as well as ours would suffer a freeking major, major recession. We would probably recover more quickly because it functions better and we aren't out on the margin at the moment. Just remember who your biggest trading partner is and we will do the same. The military argument is a non starter.


You have to be the most ignorant person on Oprano.

Thanks for contributing![/b][/quote]
I guess you are taking the fifth on this one. Good calldude.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 11:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 12:22 PM
You are not the world's only super power.
Who else do you include as world superpowers? The Soviet Union disintegrated and as much as China will one day probably be a superpower I wouldn't consider them as such yet.

Consider the holy trinity of power; military, economic, and political.

China isn't even the largest economy in their region.

They play a small role on the international political stage - at least in comparison to the US. They are not even the dominant influential power in their region because of the Japanese/US relationship.

Can a nation that doesn't even have an aircraft carrier in the water yet be considered a military super power?

China faces incredible challenges just to continue their predicted rise to #2 or #3 economy in the world a generation from now. They not only have to deal with the likely internal political turmoil associated with much of their population desiring democracy but also potential threats from their immediate nearby neighbors (Japan, India, Russia, and Taiwan all of which have been the source of historical difficulties) and also what many communist nations have found to be unsustainable economic growth rates as the initial rise from forced urbanization and industrialization subsides (i.e. Russia). Oh yeah, and a massive population in a world of increasing communications serves up the possible threat of unrule.

There is only one superpower right now.[/b][/quote]
Availability of porn doesn't enter into the discussion of superpowerdom?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Buff@Feb 10 2004, 12:52 PM
Availability of porn doesn't enter into the discussion of superpowerdom?
Yes, my computer is a superpower.

[Nickatilynx]

LOL

You know when you have been reading a board for a long time when you can guess the arguments each contributer is going to make , before they actually do.

(most probably knew I'd post something like this too , I guess)

;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Feb 10 2004, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Feb 10 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 12:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 11:58 AM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex


See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.
A very appropriate and rational statement for the turn of the century.

Unfortunately, it's appropriate and rational for the turn of the LAST century, and hardly relevant to the fight we are in today.

We are the biggest and the baddest. That means that no state can successfully challenge us at this point in time.

Problem with your attitude is that we are now up against an enemy that is essentially stateless. The power that we have to smash things is considerable. Unfortuntely, in THIS fight applying that power may be comprable to using a sledgehammer on a quantity of mercury. Oh, it'll break up all right ... but give it ten minutes after you quit applying that sledgehammer, and whattya think's gonna happen?


PD my post was just referencing OTHER nations, since we talking about Canada.

The actions of non-state actors have always played a part in world history. Al Quada is not the first. They are just the most recent threat.

The US needs to change to face this challenge, this includes foreign policy and militarily. I think it already has started. Before 9/11 we had a rocky relationship with Pakistan ( I know its far from perfect, and they should be helping us out more, but we are at least engaged). Before 9/11 we spent billions on heavy military platforms like Tanks, now we need to invest in special ops, ad unconvential warriors.

PD- I agree a sledgehammer is not needed in many cases. There are many ways to influence foreign affairs, but the REAL threat of the sledgehammer gets attention.[/b][/quote]
Probably not a good day for me to be talking about this. My girlfriend's son, who is a USMC Captain and expecting his first child in September, is leaving within days for his third combat deployment in two and a half years.

It's his job - he signed up for it, and he's good at it - he willingly goes off to serve, unlike a lot of folks who are more than willing to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters.

Why, I suspect that the people he serves with will remember him even 30 years from now.

The first deployment was Afghanistan. No one with a shred of sense questioned that action. This is his second deployment to Iraq, while the job in Afghanistan remains undone (unless you accept the idea that drug lords are better for America than the Taliban, and are brain-dead enough to think they aren't scratching each other's back).

Oh well ... perhaps he'll get the parade from the grateful Iraqi people that Cheny or Rumcnara or one of GW's other puppets said would happen. Better that than a fucking car bomb or RPG.

[Buff]

That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 10 2004, 12:56 PM
LOL

You know when you have been reading a board for a long time when you can guess the arguments each contributer is going to make , before they actually do.
You know you've been posting on the board for a long time when you can do a search and cut and paste your old posts into a new thread. ;-)

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 09:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 09:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 12:22 PM
You are not the world's only super power.
Who else do you include as world superpowers? The Soviet Union disintegrated and as much as China will one day probably be a superpower I wouldn't consider them as such yet.

Consider the holy trinity of power; military, economic, and political.

China isn't even the largest economy in their region.

They play a small role on the international political stage - at least in comparison to the US. They are not even the dominant influential power in their region because of the Japanese/US relationship.

Can a nation that doesn't even have an aircraft carrier in the water yet be considered a military super power?

China faces incredible challenges just to continue their predicted rise to #2 or #3 economy in the world a generation from now. They not only have to deal with the likely internal political turmoil associated with much of their population desiring democracy but also potential threats from their immediate nearby neighbors (Japan, India, Russia, and Taiwan all of which have been the source of historical difficulties) and also what many communist nations have found to be unsustainable economic growth rates as the initial rise from forced urbanization and industrialization subsides (i.e. Russia). Oh yeah, and a massive population in a world of increasing communications serves up the possible threat of unrule.

There is only one superpower right now.[/b][/quote]
That's a good argument, but your playbook is a bit dated. The Russians were a super power and had a shit economy. Their huge military has gone and the cold war is over because they imploded, not because we won it.

But having said that, their superpower status was never questioned because of their military might. They could blow the planet out of its orbit. INF and Start talks went on for years to rid us of those wmd, but the real power to blow the planet out of its orbit was never discussed nor negotiated and it lies beneath the ocean with the submarine force.

The Russians still have the firepower to blow the world to hell in a handcart with the few extremely capable subs they have left. And they know it. The Chinese might not blow us out of our orbit, but they could bring an end to all human life with their current capabilities.

The UK and France could do the same.

Eventually Pakistan and India will be in that league as well.

So, if you go by the 60's superpower kind of definition, the US is only a player in the game. Maybe temporarily the biggest, but not the only one.

The Chinese are lockstepping western economies with their own and at any time could pull the pin and throw us all out. They know they have the US by the economic short and curlies. They will go back to struggling and suffering and surviving on a few bowls of rice as we crash and burn.

They have a long memory and have never forgiven us for partioning their country as well as supporting Taiwan.

Now, if the US continues to propogate wars of aggression, someone is going to get very pissed off and I don't think you want to do that. You are very vulnerable and the average American lives in fear now.

We are living in interesting times.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM
That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
Why don't you take his place, buffy?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 02:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM
That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
Why don't you take his place, buffy?[/b][/quote]
IIRC, Buffy's been in combat and got the Tshirt. :awinky:

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 12:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM
That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
Why don't you take his place, buffy?[/b][/quote]
Honestly? Because none of you deserve to have me put my life on the line for you. You people consistently vote to strip away every vestige of freedom this country has left.

It's so funny when I read you and Labret lament the coming tyranny of the Patriot Act and such -- yet you can't make the association between owning the product of your own labor and freedom. If you do not own your own body and the product of your own labor, you are not free in any meaningful sense. You belong to someone else. Yet you're worried about unlawful searches or wiretaps. The government can take 100% of your income away and spend it on rocket fuel to launch a go-cart to Mars, but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans.

I will never shed another drop of blood for you or anyone else. As much as I love combat and warfare and killing bad guys, the thought that I might die to protect your right to sell your freedoms away makes me sick.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 01:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM
That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
Why don't you take his place, buffy?[/b][/quote]


PD, Buff would go in a heart beat....

Of course I am not sure the Marine's would want some Army scrub anyway.

I understand your feelings about your GF's son. We all have loved ones who are serving overseas, many in combat zones. We wish them all the best, and owe them a debt that cannot be repaid.

[J'sdude]

"but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans."

Could you please show me where the line of Iraqui's killing Americans forms? Not a lot of Iraqui martyrs about. Mostly Saudis who do that shit to Americans, not Iraquis.

[Buff]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 12:38 PM
"but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans."

Could you please show me where the line of Iraqui's killing Americans forms? Not a lot of Iraqui martyrs about. Mostly Saudis who do that shit to Americans, not Iraquis.
While the Sunni are a minority in Iraq, they hate us.

[Evil Chris]

Canada is actually concerned about what Americans are labeling as "anti-American". We aren't necessarily so, however many of us are fed up to here with the Republican company line. Bush has almost zero regard for his neighbour to the north. The fact that he failed to mention Canada's help to US friends during and around the time of the 9/11 events (that's only one example) did not go un-noticed.

Don't even get started on Iraq. The UN exists for a reason. It still holds power and always will. We play by the rules, and the US (or shall I say the Republicans) need to play by them also.

The Republican party in my opinion (and too many others) is bringing nothing to improve the state of your union. In fact, it clearly brings detriment. If I'm wrong, please elaborate and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 01:48 PM
Canada is actually concerned about what Americans are labeling as "anti-American". We aren't necessarily so, however many of us are fed up to here with the Republican company line. Bush has almost zero regard for his neighbour to the north. The fact that he failed to mention Canada's help to US friends during and around the time of the 9/11 events (that's only one example) did not go un-noticed.

Don't even get started on Iraq. The UN exists for a reason. It still holds power and always will. We play by the rules, and the US (or shall I say the Republicans) need to play by them also.

The Republican party in my opinion (and too many others) is bringing nothing to improve the state of your union. In fact, it clearly brings detriment. If I'm wrong, please elaborate and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.


Chris, I think Canada isa great country and a historic allie of the US. Sometimes friends disagree. But Canadians should not be telling us how to protect our interests. It is one thing to be anti-war, and think our policy is wrong - but whining about it.... well it seems to be a Canadian past time. ( at least from the Canadians I see posting on the boards)

The UN does not look out of OUR interests. It is shocking to see how many people are ignorant on the concept of National Soverignty.

Any President who submits US interests to the UN should be impeached immediately.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 01:13 PM
The Russians were a super power and had a shit economy. Their huge military has gone and the cold war is over because they imploded, not because we won it.

But having said that, their superpower status was never questioned because of their military might.
As you said, "the Russians were a superpower". Exactly. You said it in past tense for a reason.

When the Soviet Union collapsed it lost it's superpower clout largely because it lost it's political power. The nation was no longer able to rule over the Baltic states. The satellite nations declared their independence. The threat of communism spreading in central and South America abated. Many nations around the world abandoned the Russian system. They turned to the US for military training, aid and sales.

Dozens of nations which only a few decades ago were communist nations because of Soviet influence now have free elections.

Russia is a power in the same way that France and Japan are but none are superpowers.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 12:48 PM
Canada is actually concerned about what Americans are labeling as "anti-American". We aren't necessarily so, however many of us are fed up to here with the Republican company line. Bush has almost zero regard for his neighbour to the north. The fact that he failed to mention Canada's help to US friends during and around the time of the 9/11 events (that's only one example) did not go un-noticed.

Don't even get started on Iraq. The UN exists for a reason. It still holds power and always will. We play by the rules, and the US (or shall I say the Republicans) need to play by them also.

The Republican party in my opinion (and too many others) is bringing nothing to improve the state of your union. In fact, it clearly brings detriment. If I'm wrong, please elaborate and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.
Fuck the UN. In the ass.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff+Feb 10 2004, 01:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Feb 10 2004, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 12:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM
That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
Why don't you take his place, buffy?
Honestly? Because none of you deserve to have me put my life on the line for you. You people consistently vote to strip away every vestige of freedom this country has left.

It's so funny when I read you and Labret lament the coming tyranny of the Patriot Act and such -- yet you can't make the association between owning the product of your own labor and freedom. If you do not own your own body and the product of your own labor, you are not free in any meaningful sense. You belong to someone else. Yet you're worried about unlawful searches or wiretaps. The government can take 100% of your income away and spend it on rocket fuel to launch a go-cart to Mars, but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans.

I will never shed another drop of blood for you or anyone else. As much as I love combat and warfare and killing bad guys, the thought that I might die to protect your right to sell your freedoms away makes me sick.[/b][/quote]
Damn. I'm not good enough for a retired stunt cock to be willing to die for me.

That's cold.

I read the board, Peaches. I don't need anyone to tell me that buffy claims combat experience. I put in 9 years, 5 months, and 22 days myself, and would have retired at 30 if it hadn't been for a personal situation involving my children.

And unlike Buffy, I served to protect Americans - all Americans. Lefties and righties and and welfare mommas and dilatant rich folks. That even includes those igrnorant rednecks who consider themselves better than others by virtue of their race, their financial status, where they went to school, where theyt happened to be born, the amount of money that their mommy and daddy had, or whatever other reasons they used to convince themselves that their sorry, pathetic asses have some meaning.

As far as the rest of your diatriabe, Buffy, how utterly predictable and completely meaningless.

[Evil Chris]

PD, some people around here really need to broaden their minds and let in a little perspective.

Mike, I still invite you or anyone else to tell us what the Republicans have brought to improve the state of your union. I would really like to know.

[Vick]

I second the notion

Fuck the UN

Kick the UN out of NYC and get the US out of the UN

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 12:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM
That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
Why don't you take his place, buffy?
Honestly? Because none of you deserve to have me put my life on the line for you. You people consistently vote to strip away every vestige of freedom this country has left.

It's so funny when I read you and Labret lament the coming tyranny of the Patriot Act and such -- yet you can't make the association between owning the product of your own labor and freedom. If you do not own your own body and the product of your own labor, you are not free in any meaningful sense. You belong to someone else. Yet you're worried about unlawful searches or wiretaps. The government can take 100% of your income away and spend it on rocket fuel to launch a go-cart to Mars, but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans.

I will never shed another drop of blood for you or anyone else. As much as I love combat and warfare and killing bad guys, the thought that I might die to protect your right to sell your freedoms away makes me sick.
Damn. I'm not good enough for a retired stunt cock to be willing to die for me.

That's cold.

I read the board, Peaches. I don't need anyone to tell me that buffy claims combat experience. I put in 9 years, 5 months, and 22 days myself, and would have retired at 30 if it hadn't been for a personal situation involving my children.

And unlike Buffy, I served to protect Americans - all Americans. Lefties and righties and and welfare mommas and dilatant rich folks. That even includes those igrnorant rednecks who consider themselves better than others by virtue of their race, their financial status, where they went to school, where theyt happened to be born, the amount of money that their mommy and daddy had, or whatever other reasons they used to convince themselves that their sorry, pathetic asses have some meaning.

As far as the rest of your diatriabe, Buffy, how utterly predictable and completely meaningless.[/b][/quote]
What's with this stunt cock business? Am I supposed to be insulted when people point out that I've been paid for sex? Why?

Or are you trying to reduce the sum of my life's experience to being a stunt cock? Is that the intent behind the attempted insult?

I don't need welfare and I don't need your tax dollars. I could survive on tree bark, roots, ant soup, and dirty water if I had to. Of course I was not stupid enough to have kids I couldn't afford or get addicted to drugs or anything like that.

It's unfortunate the left encourages weakness and stupidity. Self-perpetuating condition.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
PD, some people around here really need to broaden their minds and let in a little perspective.

Mike, I still invite you or anyone else to tell us what the Republicans have brought to improve the state of your union. I would really like to know.
Bush has kicked the living crap out of a lot of bad guys, and I never have to worry about Osama Bin Laden directing any more terror against me. If he's still alive, he's being guarded by American soldiers in some secret cage. More likely, he's dead as fuck.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Buff+Feb 10 2004, 03:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Feb 10 2004, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
PD, some people around here really need to broaden their minds and let in a little perspective.

Mike, I still invite you or anyone else to tell us what the Republicans have brought to improve the state of your union. I would really like to know.
Bush has kicked the living crap out of a lot of bad guys, and I never have to worry about Osama Bin Laden directing any more terror against me. If he's still alive, he's being guarded by American soldiers in some secret cage. More likely, he's dead as fuck.[/b][/quote]
semper fi, Buff.

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Right?

Hoo-ha!

[Buff]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Feb 10 2004, 02:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Feb 10 2004, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Feb 10 2004, 03:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
PD, some people around here really need to broaden their minds and let in a little perspective.

Mike, I still invite you or anyone else to tell us what the Republicans have brought to improve the state of your union. I would really like to know.
Bush has kicked the living crap out of a lot of bad guys, and I never have to worry about Osama Bin Laden directing any more terror against me. If he's still alive, he's being guarded by American soldiers in some secret cage. More likely, he's dead as fuck.
semper fi, Buff.

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Right?

Hoo-ha![/b][/quote]
Maybe in Canada, with such a heavy French influence, your motto is "take whatever they throw at you until it's time to surrender," but here in America, we have a history of preferring victory to death.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.



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[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
You don't know the president of Angola because you are largely ignorant.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 12:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
You don't know the president of Angola because you are largely ignorant.[/b][/quote]
Australia doesn't share a border with Angola.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.[/b][/quote]
Well that and the Canadian Prime Minister is of limited significance - The Mayor of Chicago, New York or Los Angeles have more stroke, not to mention many Governor's

and for the record the Prime Minister of Canada is Paul Martin

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 12:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
You don't know the president of Angola because you are largely ignorant.
Australia doesn't share a border with Angola.[/b][/quote]
Geography is not the guiding factor.

What is it that you think breeds indifference among many Americans towards world politics?

See if you can tie it together, Joe. What causes Americans to be indifferent towards the politics of Canada and Australians to be indifferent towards the politics of Angola?

I know the answer.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Vick+Feb 10 2004, 04:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Feb 10 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
Well that and the Canadian Prime Minister is of limited significance - The Mayor of Chicago, New York or Los Angeles have more stroke, not to mention many Governor's

and for the record the Prime Minister of Canada is Paul Martin[/b][/quote]
What do you mean more stroke? More power?

And be honest Vick, did you have to look up who the new PM is?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 03:50 PM
And be honest Vick, did you have to look up who the new PM is?
Have you checked out the CIA Factbook for Angola yet?

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 12:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 12:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
You don't know the president of Angola because you are largely ignorant.
Australia doesn't share a border with Angola.
Geography is not the guiding factor.

What is it that you think breeds indifference among many Americans towards world politics?

See if you can tie it together, Joe. What causes Americans to be indifferent towards the politics of Canada and Australians to be indifferent towards the politics of Angola?

I know the answer.[/b][/quote]
Americans are inward looking and generally speaking aren't interested in other countries or other cultures. They believe that other countries don't have anything to offer them.

http://www.msxnet.org/humour/world-according-to-america.png

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:56 PM
Americans are inward looking and generally speaking aren't interested in other countries or other cultures. They believe that other countries don't have anything to offer them.


It has nothing to do with how interesting a nation's culture is.

I guarantee that you don't know one leader from Angolia, Zambia, Botswana, Uruguay, Paraguay, or Puerto Rico. Yet these nations have interesting cultures and histories.

Sorry, better luck next time. Try again.

[Vick]

I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!

I'm not worry we're the world's Superpower, and when you're on top everyone is gunning for you.

Just human nature - like monkeys climbing a tree - when you're the top monkey looking down all you see are faces (some smiling) when you're a monkey climbing up all you see are assholes

EC - no I didn't have to look it up and I'll answer your questions when you respond to

(Evil Chris @ Feb 9 2004, 02:11 PM)
I get a laugh whenever I hear someone mention how it's too cold in Canada.
The weather in the coldest parts of Canada that have any significant population isn't much different than that of most of the US north-east. (the most populated parts of the US).

EC - you just proved my point, that cold is effecting you
Can't think properly when the temp doesn't get above freezing for weeks at a time

Where I live - http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/cli...y/monthly/21075
January High temp average of 41F

Montreal
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/clim...301?from=search
January High temp average of 21F

and that's before we get to snow fall, permafrost etc ......

Truthfully all the Canadians I've had the pleasure to meet in person are great people, nice, intelligent

We just have a little rub back and forth about politics
Give us a real common enemy and see how fast that disappears

Plus Canada gave us Cirque :okthumb:

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?

[gregtx]

Chris what do you think would happen if we had a silent.. do notihing.. passive president in office right now???? would he/she be up for relection?

maybe worry about your own PM.. and why he is not making news worthy events... I see the Brits, French, Japanese.. etc.. in the news all of the time.. but never the Canadian PM.. maybe hes slacking??? :awinky:

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:56 PM
Americans are inward looking and generally speaking aren't interested in other countries or other cultures. They believe that other countries don't have anything to offer them.


It has nothing to do with how interesting a nation's culture is.

I guarantee that you don't know one leader from Angolia, Zambia, Botswana, Uruguay, Paraguay, or Puerto Rico. Yet these nations have interesting cultures and histories.

Sorry, better luck next time. Try again.[/b][/quote]
Because you don't ever hear about other countries on the TV?

[Evil Chris]

Vick what did you want me to reply about on that weather issue?
41... 21... close enough I think! B)

We're not talking about sunny & 78 all year round here. lol

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by gregtx@Feb 10 2004, 05:10 PM
Chris what do you think would happen if we had a silent.. do notihing.. passive president in office right now???? would he/she be up for relection?

maybe worry about your own PM.. and why he is not making news worthy events... I see the Brits, French, Japanese.. etc.. in the news all of the time.. but never the Canadian PM.. maybe hes slacking??? :awinky:
Naa... he's new, and hasn't done a whole lot of publicity quite yet but all us Canadians know him very well. He has done a wonderful job as our Minister of Finance under Jean Chretien for years. I'm sure he isn't slacking. :D

You misunderstand our bitching. We (as collective Canadians) generally prefer a [D] president for our neighbour to the south.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 04:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?[/b][/quote]
Because America is the Top Dog right now
And the best thing going

and America has a lot that needs to be or can be better or improved

and when I'm saying America is the best, we're the top dog in the game - I not saying other countries are bad or meaning to make negative connotations about other countries - there are a lot of great, intelligent, thoughtful and caring people in many counties with viable opinions and ideas, ideals and concerns

and many other countries are great places to live with excellent systems/forms of government

But for me - America is the best

[Vick]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 04:13 PM
Vick what did you want me to reply about on that weather issue?
41... 21... close enough I think! B)

We're not talking about sunny & 78 all year round here. lol
world of difference - see that cold weather effects thinking :P

41 and 21 aren't in the same neighborhood, plus snow and permafrost

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 10 2004, 09:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 10 2004, 09:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

Alex
But....what does America get from Canada? Right now, we're basically protecting you since you have no real military. Seems like Canada would want to be our good neighbors rather than the other way around. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
we use canada for thier water polo athletes :matey:

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Vick+Feb 10 2004, 01:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Feb 10 2004, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 04:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?
Because America is the Top Dog right now
And the best thing going

and America has a lot that needs to be or can be better or improved

and when I'm saying America is the best, we're the top dog in the game - I not saying other countries are bad or meaning to make negative connotations about other countries - there are a lot of great, intelligent, thoughtful and caring people in many counties with viable opinions and ideas, ideals and concerns

and many other countries are great places to live with excellent systems/forms of government

But for me - America is the best[/b][/quote]
But why would that make me jealous?

Why would I want my nation to be "top dog"? Can you explain to me how that would improve my lifestyle or my standard of living?

Do you really think we all want to be like you?

[J'sdude]

"I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!"


Nope. You could not get me to live in the United States. I prefer the freedom I have here and in England. This thread, interesting as it is, just reinforces my opinion. I am probably older than most who post here and have had the pleasure of talking directly and in person with American house speakers, Governors, congressmen, mayors or your largest cities, and travelled with your secretary of state. In fact I have even spent a couple of hours with one of your presidents and his wife. My opinion has been formed from experience. I have seen your forces in action and seen your battleships let off broadsides and I have seen dead marines killed by stupidity. I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
This kind of beligerence will do you no good when the shit hits the fan.
Mike, do not make the mistake of confusing advice and observance for whining. That will do you no good. You might do well to listen because no country is an island.

[Buff]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 03:35 PM
"I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!"


Nope. You could not get me to live in the United States. I prefer the freedom I have here and in England. This thread, interesting as it is, just reinforces my opinion. I am probably older than most who post here and have had the pleasure of talking directly and in person with American house speakers, Governors, congressmen, mayors or your largest cities, and travelled with your secretary of state. In fact I have even spent a couple of hours with one of your presidents and his wife. My opinion has been formed from experience. I have seen your forces in action and seen your battleships let off broadsides and I have seen dead marines killed by stupidity. I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
This kind of beligerence will do you no good when the shit hits the fan.
Mike, do not make the mistake of confusing advice and observance for whining. That will do you no good. You might do well to listen because no country is an island.
Lots of countries are islands. And England is a craphole.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 10 2004, 04:07 PM
Plus Canada gave us Cirque :okthumb:
Actually, that would be Quebec, not Canada


;)

[wig]

Hey Joe... I think what Vick is saying, among others, is that it just so happens that right now America is the top country -- economically, politically and militarily.

The US, like any other country who found itself in that position, would do whatever it takes to stay there.

As a result, certain actions have a ripple effect and certain other countries find themselves not aligned with the outcome or risks associated with those actions. That is inevitable.

If France was in the position the US is right now, we would all be speaking of them the same way non-Americans tend to speak about the US.



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[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Buff+Feb 10 2004, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Feb 10 2004, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 03:35 PM
"I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!"


Nope. You could not get me to live in the United States. I prefer the freedom I have here and in England. This thread, interesting as it is, just reinforces my opinion. I am probably older than most who post here and have had the pleasure of talking directly and in person with American house speakers, Governors, congressmen, mayors or your largest cities, and travelled with your secretary of state. In fact I have even spent a couple of hours with one of your presidents and his wife. My opinion has been formed from experience. I have seen your forces in action and seen your battleships let off broadsides and I have seen dead marines killed by stupidity. I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
This kind of beligerence will do you no good when the shit hits the fan.
Mike, do not make the mistake of confusing advice and observance for whining. That will do you no good. You might do well to listen because no country is an island.
Lots of countries are islands. And England is a craphole.[/b][/quote]
Which part of England would you say is a craphole and why exactly? Just curious.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by wig@Feb 10 2004, 01:40 PM
Hey Joe... I think what Vick is saying, among others, is that it just so happens that right now America is the top country -- economically, politically and militarily.
I still don't get why I am supposed to be envious.

[Buff]

The part with the tiny, slow, sputtering cars and the nasty weather.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by wig@Feb 10 2004, 04:40 PM
If France was in the position the US is right now, we would all be speaking of them the same way non-Americans tend to speak about the US.
And France does have political clout which is why many Americans do speak of them in the same way. Without that political power, no American would have ever made a French joke.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by DrGuile+Feb 10 2004, 05:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Feb 10 2004, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 04:07 PM
Plus Canada gave us Cirque :okthumb:
Actually, that would be Quebec, not Canada


;)[/b][/quote]
You're not a seperatist, you're from Sherbrooke for criss'sakes. :awinky:

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Buff@Feb 10 2004, 01:44 PM
The part with the tiny, slow, sputtering cars and the nasty weather.
where would that be? Haven't seen that part. Could you be more specific? I personally drive and English car that would blow the doors off most American cars. I haven't seen those tiny, slow sputtering English cars but maybe you were in a corner of the country I have never seen.

Oh yeah, I assume you mean nastier than say Buffalo?



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[masterp74]

we also use Canada for their growing tips. :o

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:35 PM
I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
Are you saying the US has entered an unprecedented period of danger or are you saying that the same old dangers are always out there?

1914 was dangerous. 1929 was dangerous. 1941 was dangerous. 1950 was dangerous. 1962 was dangerous. 1964 was dangerous. 1973 was dangerous.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:35 PM
I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
Are you saying the US has entered an unprecedented period of danger or are you saying that the same old dangers are always out there?

1914 was dangerous. 1929 was dangerous. 1941 was dangerous. 1950 was dangerous. 1962 was dangerous. 1964 was dangerous. 1973 was dangerous.[/b][/quote]
I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.

[wig]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 04:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Feb 10 2004, 01:40 PM
Hey Joe... I think what Vick is saying, among others, is that it just so happens that right now America is the top country -- economically, politically and militarily.
I still don't get why I am supposed to be envious.[/b][/quote]
I am not saying that you are.

Perhaps the general premise is that it is better to belong to the country of power than not.

There is another side to the coin for everything that ppl find wrong with America.

99% of the comments around here are driven by ideology. Very few are truly objective.

[wig]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 04:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Feb 10 2004, 04:40 PM
If France was in the position the US is right now, we would all be speaking of them the same way non-Americans tend to speak about the US.
And France does have political clout which is why many Americans do speak of them in the same way. Without that political power, no American would have ever made a French joke.[/b][/quote]
Why do they make jokes about Canada? :yowsa:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:35 PM
I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
Are you saying the US has entered an unprecedented period of danger or are you saying that the same old dangers are always out there?

1914 was dangerous. 1929 was dangerous. 1941 was dangerous. 1950 was dangerous. 1962 was dangerous. 1964 was dangerous. 1973 was dangerous.[/b][/quote]

ahhh but then you didn't have embedded journos ;-))))

Or as Saddam called them , "Inteligence Officers"



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Feb 10 2004, 02:05 PM

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 01:52 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:35 PM
I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
Are you saying the US has entered an unprecedented period of danger or are you saying that the same old dangers are always out there?

1914 was dangerous. 1929 was dangerous. 1941 was dangerous. 1950 was dangerous. 1962 was dangerous. 1964 was dangerous. 1973 was dangerous.
I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.[/b][/quote]
It is a dangerous time because of the reasons you state. I think most ppl would agree with that.

Was the US bravado before 9-11 or just after GWB took office?

It seems that the danger you speak of is there either way.

Now it becomes a debate as to the approach. I do not think either side has a patent on the "right way".

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Feb 10 2004, 02:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Feb 10 2004, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 01:52 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:35 PM
I don't shoot from the hip when I say that the US has entered a very dangerous time in its history.
Are you saying the US has entered an unprecedented period of danger or are you saying that the same old dangers are always out there?

1914 was dangerous. 1929 was dangerous. 1941 was dangerous. 1950 was dangerous. 1962 was dangerous. 1964 was dangerous. 1973 was dangerous.

ahhh but then you didn't have embedded journos ;-))))

Or as Saddam called them , "Inteligence Officers"[/b][/quote]
embedded journos and the companies that put them there made the world a much more dangerous place for reporters to work. Saddam certainly had a point.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by wig@Feb 10 2004, 05:03 PM

Why do they make jokes about Canada? :yowsa:
The Mexicans are being quiet.

[masterp74]

Canada's coffee not bad either. Tim Hourton's rock :matey:

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Feb 10 2004, 05:03 PM

Why do they make jokes about Canada? Â :yowsa:
The Mexicans are being quiet.[/b][/quote]
They don't have internet access yet.



I'm have half mexican BTW,





so I have webTV. :matey:



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[Peaches]

Originally posted by masterp74@Feb 10 2004, 06:14 PM
I'm have half mexican BTW

Are you related to Nick? B)

[wig]

Originally posted by masterp74+Feb 10 2004, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (masterp74 @ Feb 10 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--wig@Feb 10 2004, 05:03 PM

Why do they make jokes about Canada? Â :yowsa:
The Mexicans are being quiet.
They don't have internet access yet.



I'm have half mexican BTW,





so I have webTV. :matey:[/b][/quote]
have half? is that like a quarter? :P

[gregtx]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Feb 10 2004, 01:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Feb 10 2004, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gregtx@Feb 10 2004, 05:10 PM
Chris what do you think would happen if we had a silent.. do notihing.. passive president in office right now???? would he/she be up for relection?

maybe worry about your own PM.. and why he is not making news worthy events... I see the Brits, French, Japanese.. etc.. in the news all of the time.. but never the Canadian PM.. maybe hes slacking??? :awinky:
Naa... he's new, and hasn't done a whole lot of publicity quite yet but all us Canadians know him very well. He has done a wonderful job as our Minister of Finance under Jean Chretien for years. I'm sure he isn't slacking. :D

You misunderstand our bitching. We (as collective Canadians) generally prefer a [D] president for our neighbour to the south.[/b][/quote]
lol.. you just want us to have a democrat so that we have to pay more taxes... to feed and house the lazy.. and provide health care for those who blow thier money on smokes and beer instead of health insurance :awinky:

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?[/b][/quote]
Yes I do on both points.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by masterp74@Feb 10 2004, 05:14 PM
I'm have half mexican BTW
I'm half French/Canadian. Glad to me you.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?
Yes I do on both points.[/b][/quote]
And the world is somehow smaller today than in 1964 when 1000s of ICBMs were aimed at American cities?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 01:13 PM
Vick what did you want me to reply about on that weather issue?
41... 21... close enough I think! B)

We're not talking about sunny & 78 all year round here. lol

I do believe that is the first time I have ever been quoted in a sig before.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 04:12 PM
Because you don't ever hear about other countries on the TV?
Is this why you don't know one leader from Angolia, Zambia, Botswana, Uruguay, Paraguay, or Puerto Rico? Limited television coverage of these countries and their cultures prevents you from learning about them?

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 02:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?
Yes I do on both points.
And the world is somehow smaller today than in 1964 when 1000s of ICBMs were aimed at American cities?[/b][/quote]
Yes it is. I lived through the missile crisis and it was scarey for a couple of weeks. Then it all went away. An enemy you can see and confront is more mangeable. This enemy is a highly disciplined, invisible army that are spreading like cancer and their greatest weapon is fear. The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point. Don't get me wrong, this is not America bashing, it is survival. One step at a time.
W is also much more dangerous than Clinton, because he ain't to bright. He sees the world as black and white. The world is way more devious than this hick Texan.

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?
Yes I do on both points.
And the world is somehow smaller today than in 1964 when 1000s of ICBMs were aimed at American cities?
Yes it is. I lived through the missile crisis and it was scarey for a couple of weeks. Then it all went away. An enemy you can see and confront is more mangeable. This enemy is a highly disciplined, invisible army that are spreading like cancer and their greatest weapon is fear. The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point. Don't get me wrong, this is not America bashing, it is survival. One step at a time.
W is also much more dangerous than Clinton, because he ain't to bright. He sees the world as black and white. The world is way more devious than this hick Texan.[/b][/quote]
And too complex to make moot statements about bravado and diplomacy.

Neither of those is black and white either.

:D

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by wig+Feb 10 2004, 02:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Feb 10 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?
Yes I do on both points.
And the world is somehow smaller today than in 1964 when 1000s of ICBMs were aimed at American cities?
Yes it is. I lived through the missile crisis and it was scarey for a couple of weeks. Then it all went away. An enemy you can see and confront is more mangeable. This enemy is a highly disciplined, invisible army that are spreading like cancer and their greatest weapon is fear. The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point. Don't get me wrong, this is not America bashing, it is survival. One step at a time.
W is also much more dangerous than Clinton, because he ain't to bright. He sees the world as black and white. The world is way more devious than this hick Texan.
And too complex to make moot statements about bravado and diplomacy.

Neither of those is black and white either.

:D[/b][/quote]
That is exactly my point.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM
The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point.
No, it proves you believe it and brought it up. Nothing more. I think it's ridiculous.

Then it all went away? The Cold War ended in 1964? How about the entire period from 1945-1991? Jesus.

We live in tame times compared to most of the past century.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 02:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM
The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point.
No, it proves you believe it and brought it up. Nothing more. I think it's ridiculous.

Then it all went away? The Cold War ended in 1964? How about the entire period from 1945-1991? Jesus.

We live in tame times compared to most of the past century.[/b][/quote]
Well you just go on believing that. The cold war did not end in 64 but it was MAD time. Times have changed and MAD does not apply. There has always been conflict and struggle and there always will be. But what is different about this is that it is boxing with shadows. These people are very devious and very, very patient. And they don't like us. They especially hate Americans for their support of Israel.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 10 2004, 05:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 10 2004, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--masterp74@Feb 10 2004, 05:14 PM
I'm have half mexican BTW
I'm half French/Canadian. Glad to me you.[/b][/quote]
Bonjour.

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -wig@Feb 10 2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?
Yes I do on both points.
And the world is somehow smaller today than in 1964 when 1000s of ICBMs were aimed at American cities?
Yes it is. I lived through the missile crisis and it was scarey for a couple of weeks. Then it all went away. An enemy you can see and confront is more mangeable. This enemy is a highly disciplined, invisible army that are spreading like cancer and their greatest weapon is fear. The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point. Don't get me wrong, this is not America bashing, it is survival. One step at a time.
W is also much more dangerous than Clinton, because he ain't to bright. He sees the world as black and white. The world is way more devious than this hick Texan.
And too complex to make moot statements about bravado and diplomacy.

Neither of those is black and white either.

:D
That is exactly my point.[/b][/quote]
Really??

Yet you state "It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy."

It is easy to speak of diplomacy when you are not an American or are only interested in seeing a different party elected.

Face it... the "invisible cells" you cite as the danger are not receptive to diplomacy as far as I can tell -- which makes it MOOT!

[MikeW]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
holeinthegroundistan....
I like that one, its got a nice ring to it! Just rolls right off the tongue ... :blink:

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by wig+Feb 10 2004, 03:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Feb 10 2004, 03:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by -wig@Feb 10 2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 10 2004, 02:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM

I think this is a way more dangerous time for the United States because the world is smaller and virulent and deadly weapons are available to invisible cells who really hate the US. In fact who would have thought two jetliners would be used as deadly weapons and pound NYC so hard? It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy which it seems W is not capable of.
So you consider the fact that there are virulent weapons and that the world is smaller and then reason this to be a more dangerous time than the Cuban Missile Crisis where the two nations with thousands of nuclear weapons each came to the brink of war?

You consider "virulent weapons" and a smaller world more dangerous than a world suffering from the Great Depression where the very foundations of capitalism itself were being challenged and questioned?
Yes I do on both points.
And the world is somehow smaller today than in 1964 when 1000s of ICBMs were aimed at American cities?
Yes it is. I lived through the missile crisis and it was scarey for a couple of weeks. Then it all went away. An enemy you can see and confront is more mangeable. This enemy is a highly disciplined, invisible army that are spreading like cancer and their greatest weapon is fear. The fact that we are even having discussion proves that point. Don't get me wrong, this is not America bashing, it is survival. One step at a time.
W is also much more dangerous than Clinton, because he ain't to bright. He sees the world as black and white. The world is way more devious than this hick Texan.
And too complex to make moot statements about bravado and diplomacy.

Neither of those is black and white either.

:D
That is exactly my point.
Really??

Yet you state "It is not the time for bravado, it is a time for diplomacy."

It is easy to speak of diplomacy when you are not an American or are only interested in seeing a different party elected.

Face it... the "invisible cells" you cite as the danger are not receptive to diplomacy as far as I can tell -- which makes it MOOT![/b][/quote]
There are many ways to be diplomatic. You see I don't give a shit about what happens in your country when it doesn't effect me, but in this case your president's stupidity effects us all. Aw, WTF. This is like talking to a wall. No I haven't given up. I have just given up on you. No offensedude, but this is going nowhere. Believe what you like and I will too and we will see who is right. I truly hope it is you.

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 06:13 PM
There are many ways to be diplomatic. You see I don't give a shit about what happens in your country when it doesn't effect me, but in this case your president's stupidity effects us all. Aw, WTF. This is like talking to a wall. No I haven't given up. I have just given up on you. No offensedude, but this is going nowhere.
Why get so flustered?

If you read my posts, you would see that I have already shared an understanding with your position.

It is all relative. diplomacy to you = X. diplomacy to the next guy = Y.

You don't like GWB. You disagree with his ideology and you feel your interests are threatened -- it is reflected in your posts. It's understood.

You are convinced that you are right.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by wig+Feb 10 2004, 03:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Feb 10 2004, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 06:13 PM
There are many ways to be diplomatic. You see I don't give a shit about what happens in your country when it doesn't effect me, but in this case your president's stupidity effects us all. Aw, WTF. This is like talking to a wall. No I haven't given up. I have just given up on you. No offensedude, but this is going nowhere.
Why get so flustered?

If you read my posts, you would see that I have already shared an understanding with your position.

It is all relative. diplomacy to you = X. diplomacy to the next guy = Y.

You don't like GWB. You disagree with his ideology and you feel your interests are threatened -- it is reflected in your posts. It's understood.

You are convinced that you are right.[/b][/quote]
We agree. I know I am right. Somethings are self evident and this is one of them.

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 06:13 PM
Believe what you like and I will too and we will see who is right. I truly hope it is you.
What do you hope that I am right about?

that invisible cells are bad
that they can kill us
that they do not care about diplomacy
that when your #1 you do what it takes to stay there
that when you are not #1 you are interested in seeing #1 dropped a notch

maybe I missed it.

[PornoDoggy]

Oh, now, wait a damn minute.

If you believe that the world is somehow a more dangerous place now than it was during any of the Berlin crisises, or during the missle crisis, or during the '73 bagel/camelshit throwing contest, you are as big a fool as the folks who think W has done much to make us safer.

We face a real and dangerous threat, to be sure - but back away from the crack pipe. It doesn't even come CLOSE to the risks of that era.

[wig]

I'll sum it up for you...

your position is not unlike someone elses, just that they are on the other side.

your / their position is most affected by personal interests.

it is paralysis by analysis, so feel free to :headwall:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by MikeW+Feb 10 2004, 06:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MikeW @ Feb 10 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
holeinthegroundistan....
I like that one, its got a nice ring to it! Just rolls right off the tongue ... :blink:[/b][/quote]
I don't know why anyone would be worried about how the U.S. is regarded in holeinthegroundistan, anyway - it's a really bad choice of an example.

After tense negiotiations resulting in a 600-million-dollar aid package (which works out to about 6,000,000 per capita), holeinthegroundistan did sign on and become a member of the coalition of the willing.

[wig]

otherwise know as diplomacy. LOL

[aeon]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.[/b][/quote]
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon

[*KK*]

Well I dont like either of the Bush presidents.

But I would like to take a moment to point out to the viewers that water isn't frozen at 41F. Nor does it thaw at 21F.

Back to your regularly scheduled postgramming.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 10 2004, 04:24 PM
But I would like to take a moment to point out to the viewers that water isn't frozen at 41F. Nor does it thaw at 21F.

Celcius makes so much more sense.

Water freezes at zero degrees and boils at 100 degrees.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 04:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Feb 10 2004, 04:24 PM
But I would like to take a moment to point out to the viewers that water isn't frozen at 41F. Nor does it thaw at 21F.

Celcius makes so much more sense.

Water freezes at zero degrees and boils at 100 degrees.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee![/b][/quote]
And Celsius would make even more sense to you perhaps.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by *KK*+Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 04:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Feb 10 2004, 04:24 PM
But I would like to take a moment to point out to the viewers that water isn't frozen at 41F. Nor does it thaw at 21F.

Celcius makes so much more sense.

Water freezes at zero degrees and boils at 100 degrees.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
And Celsius would make even more sense to you perhaps.[/b][/quote]
Mmmmm... yes, you got me. My mistake.

Celsius it is.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 03:55 PM
Oh, now, wait a damn minute.

If you believe that the world is somehow a more dangerous place now than it was during any of the Berlin crisises, or during the missle crisis, or during the '73 bagel/camelshit throwing contest, you are as big a fool as the folks who think W has done much to make us safer.

We face a real and dangerous threat, to be sure - but back away from the crack pipe. It doesn't even come CLOSE to the risks of that era.
and I hope you are right as well. But I don't think so PD.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by wig@Feb 10 2004, 03:58 PM
I'll sum it up for you...

your position is not unlike someone elses, just that they are on the other side.

your / their position is most affected by personal interests.

it is paralysis by analysis, so feel free to :headwall:
Thank you and I do.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -MikeW@Feb 10 2004, 06:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--RawAlex@Feb 10 2004, 12:58 PM
holeinthegroundistan....
I like that one, its got a nice ring to it! Just rolls right off the tongue ... :blink:
I don't know why anyone would be worried about how the U.S. is regarded in holeinthegroundistan, anyway - it's a really bad choice of an example.

After tense negiotiations resulting in a 600-million-dollar aid package (which works out to about 6,000,000 per capita), holeinthegroundistan did sign on and become a member of the coalition of the willing.[/b][/quote]
You missed the point. You should.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by aeon+Feb 10 2004, 04:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Feb 10 2004, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 12:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Now there is a peach. I could rest my whole case on thisdude. the sad thing is he is the reason W is president.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 04:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Feb 10 2004, 04:24 PM
But I would like to take a moment to point out to the viewers that water isn't frozen at 41F. Nor does it thaw at 21F.

Celcius makes so much more sense.

Water freezes at zero degrees and boils at 100 degrees.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee![/b][/quote]
Shhhhhh. Don't confuse them.

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Feb 10 2004, 03:58 PM
I'll sum it up for you...

your position is not unlike someone elses, just that they are on the other side.

your / their position is most affected by personal interests.

it is paralysis by analysis, so feel free to :headwall:
Thank you and I do.[/b][/quote]
Yes, we got it. :blink:

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 07:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Feb 10 2004, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 12:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Now there is a peach. I could rest my whole case on thisdude. the sad thing is he is the reason W is president.[/b][/quote]
Your case? Your last 3 sentences are are a peach. wow



Last edited by wig at Feb 10 2004, 08:01 PM

[J'sdude]

We?

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 08:00 PM
We?
as in anyone who is paying attention. ;-)

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by wig+Feb 10 2004, 05:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Feb 10 2004, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--J'sdude@Feb 10 2004, 08:00 PM
We?
as in anyone who is paying attention. ;-)[/b][/quote]
I think not. Anyone who was paying attention could barely follow this convoluted thread. This is like a freekin snake swallowing its tail.

[aeon]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?[/b][/quote]
take care of yer fuckin' own...yer just a punching bag of "intellectual" enlightenment...

take care of your own...then your opinion might mean more than the mindless liberal rhetoric is it. Funny - liberals think themselves so much better...a slave who can't realise thier a slave - cute.

I hate liberals...especially poofter liberals...

best of luck -
aeon

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by aeon+Feb 10 2004, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Feb 10 2004, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?
take care of yer fuckin' own...yer just a punching bag of "intellectual" enlightenment...

take care of your own...then your opinion might mean more than the mindless liberal rhetoric is it. Funny - liberals think themselves so much better...a slave who can't realise thier a slave - cute.

I hate liberals...especially poofter liberals...

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Whose a liberal, kid?

[aeon]

wheee......here we go - you must be an old mother fucker to call me kid...

lemme show something to you...in yer aged wisdom...look at the whole post...you will see things that say "qoute" - if you don't see them...put the
"refined" vodka down and call massad...cause they might be able to explain it to you..doubtful - but some of us actually hope.....where we fail - is when we hope people on messages boards who deal with assasins are actually in touch with reality...we all have our failings...

I'll wait for the assasination squad...put the refined vodka down and your hit squad connections...and learn something new - called reading.

best of luck
aeon

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by aeon@Feb 10 2004, 06:03 PM
wheee......here we go - you must be an old mother fucker to call me kid...

lemme show something to you...in yer aged wisdom...look at the whole post...you will see things that say "qoute" - if you don't see them...put the
"refined" vodka down and call massad...cause they might be able to explain it to you..doubtful - but some of us actually hope.....where we fail - is when we hope people on messages boards who deal with assasins are actually in touch with reality...we all have our failings...

I'll wait for the assasination squad...put the refined vodka down and your hit squad connections...and learn something new - called reading.

best of luck
aeon
that would be Mossad, and I am.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by gregtx+Feb 10 2004, 06:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gregtx @ Feb 10 2004, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 01:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--gregtx@Feb 10 2004, 05:10 PM
Chris what do you think would happen if we had a silent.. do notihing.. passive president in office right now???? would he/she be up for relection?

maybe worry about your own PM.. and why he is not making news worthy events... I see the Brits, French, Japanese.. etc.. in the news all of the time.. but never the Canadian PM.. maybe hes slacking??? :awinky:
Naa... he's new, and hasn't done a whole lot of publicity quite yet but all us Canadians know him very well. He has done a wonderful job as our Minister of Finance under Jean Chretien for years. I'm sure he isn't slacking. :D

You misunderstand our bitching. We (as collective Canadians) generally prefer a [D] president for our neighbour to the south.
lol.. you just want us to have a democrat so that we have to pay more taxes... to feed and house the lazy.. and provide health care for those who blow thier money on smokes and beer instead of health insurance :awinky:[/b][/quote]
I'm sure there's a little bit of truth in that statement.
I should be happy in a way. The Canadian dollar is up and the US dollar is down. But since I work for US money that doesn't convert too well for me.

I'd like to see the US dollar be worth two up here! B)

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon+Feb 10 2004, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Feb 10 2004, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?
take care of yer fuckin' own...yer just a punching bag of "intellectual" enlightenment...

take care of your own...then your opinion might mean more than the mindless liberal rhetoric is it. Funny - liberals think themselves so much better...a slave who can't realise thier a slave - cute.

I hate liberals...especially poofter liberals...

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Ummmm.... we are looking after our own.

When was the last time Australia asked the USA for help? I can't remember.

I can tell you the last time the USA asked Australia for help. Last year.



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[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 06:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Feb 10 2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?
take care of yer fuckin' own...yer just a punching bag of "intellectual" enlightenment...

take care of your own...then your opinion might mean more than the mindless liberal rhetoric is it. Funny - liberals think themselves so much better...a slave who can't realise thier a slave - cute.

I hate liberals...especially poofter liberals...

best of luck -
aeon
Ummmm.... we are looking after our own.

When was the last time Australia asked the USA for help? I can't remember.

I can tell you the last time the USA asked Australia for help. Last year.[/b][/quote]
good point, the usa asked everyone for help, cap in hand.

[wig]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 09:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by -aeon@Feb 10 2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 01:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Feb 10 2004, 01:07 PM
I smell a LOT of America Envy here!!!!!
What are we non-Americans envious of exactly?
take care of yer fuckin' own...yer just a punching bag of "intellectual" enlightenment...

take care of your own...then your opinion might mean more than the mindless liberal rhetoric is it. Funny - liberals think themselves so much better...a slave who can't realise thier a slave - cute.

I hate liberals...especially poofter liberals...

best of luck -
aeon
Ummmm.... we are looking after our own.

When was the last time Australia asked the USA for help? I can't remember.

I can tell you the last time the USA asked Australia for help. Last year.
good point, the usa asked everyone for help, cap in hand.[/b][/quote]
And every country that went along did so to get what they wanted out of it.

It sure sounds like you are just pissed that the guy in the number one spot flexed his muscle.

[aeon]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.[/b][/quote]
Isolationism didn't have us dealing with european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do that was best of us (eg their agendas)...ever heard of a thank you? No...see what the US does is of tantamount import unless it interferes with their agenda or brainwashed ideals - not that I can blame them...they have centuries of "history" and end up being an absolute inferior in the face of a nation that's existed for less than 300 years...I'd be hostile - suddenly nationalism is a failure...it's always easier to blame others than look to yourself.

I have many problems with the US - but when idiots who don't live here...haven't actually experienced it...try and tell anyone...what's wrong here - c'mon...it's enby - no one in their right mind is concered with australia..why should we??? Because we should "learn"...people can learn why jacko likes to fuck little boys...doesn't mean it's worth the effort of time.

best of luck -
aeon

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by aeon+Feb 10 2004, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Feb 10 2004, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 06:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.
Isolationism didn't have us dealing with european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do that was best of us (eg their agendas)...ever heard of a thank you? No...see what the US does is of tantamount import unless it interferes with their agenda or brainwashed ideals - not that I can blame them...they have centuries of "history" and end up being an absolute inferior in the face of a nation that's existed for less than 300 years...I'd be hostile - suddenly nationalism is a failure...it's always easier to blame others than look to yourself.

I have many problems with the US - but when idiots who don't live here...haven't actually experienced it...try and tell anyone...what's wrong here - c'mon...it's enby - no one in their right mind is concered with australia..why should we??? Because we should "learn"...people can learn why jacko likes to fuck little boys...doesn't mean it's worth the effort of time.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Spoken like a true American. Please post some more and reinforce the whole world's opionon of your intelligence. You from Texas?

[aeon]

Originally posted by wig@Feb 10 2004, 06:23 PM
And every country that went along did so to get what they wanted out of it.

It sure sounds like you are just pissed that the guy in the number one spot flexed his muscle.
:okthumb:

but you see..we have to save the world...and care for everyone and understand everyone's ideal's...we can't just take care of our own interests...we just can't - then we're the big evil bad guy that don't understand...

ask a chechnyan...they aint bitching about the US - let's hear the cries of human rights violations against russia - or russia's idiotic sheep population...you don't, cause it's not acceptable to do so...

go do some research about those folks - they've been grade a FUCKED..raped - slaughtered - murdered - as a matter of routine...go bitch to the kremlin...

best of luck -
aeon

[aeon]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 10 2004, 06:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 10 2004, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Feb 10 2004, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 06:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.
Isolationism didn't have us dealing with european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do that was best of us (eg their agendas)...ever heard of a thank you? No...see what the US does is of tantamount import unless it interferes with their agenda or brainwashed ideals - not that I can blame them...they have centuries of "history" and end up being an absolute inferior in the face of a nation that's existed for less than 300 years...I'd be hostile - suddenly nationalism is a failure...it's always easier to blame others than look to yourself.

I have many problems with the US - but when idiots who don't live here...haven't actually experienced it...try and tell anyone...what's wrong here - c'mon...it's enby - no one in their right mind is concered with australia..why should we??? Because we should "learn"...people can learn why jacko likes to fuck little boys...doesn't mean it's worth the effort of time.

best of luck -
aeon
Spoken like a true American. Please post some more and reinforce the whole world's opionon of your intelligence. You from Texas?[/b][/quote]
you ever seen taxi driver?

If not...watch it....take notes and hope yer health insurance covers mental illnesses...

best of luck -
aeon

[J'sdude]

gotcha aeon. That was way too easy. WTF has taxi driver have to do with anything?

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 10:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.[/b][/quote]
Try not to waste too much time on the braindead, PD.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by aeon+Feb 10 2004, 09:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Feb 10 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 06:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.
Isolationism didn't have us dealing with european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do that was best of us (eg their agendas)...ever heard of a thank you? No...see what the US does is of tantamount import unless it interferes with their agenda or brainwashed ideals - not that I can blame them...they have centuries of "history" and end up being an absolute inferior in the face of a nation that's existed for less than 300 years...I'd be hostile - suddenly nationalism is a failure...it's always easier to blame others than look to yourself.

I have many problems with the US - but when idiots who don't live here...haven't actually experienced it...try and tell anyone...what's wrong here - c'mon...it's enby - no one in their right mind is concered with australia..why should we??? Because we should "learn"...people can learn why jacko likes to fuck little boys...doesn't mean it's worth the effort of time.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
No ... isolationism had us "let[ting] the fuckers starve & be slaughtered" until it spilled out and dragged us in.

Besides ... if you were as smart as you pretend to be you would know that the political predecessors of the current so-called neo-cons thought that was exactly what was happening - that efforts to prepare for war were the result of "european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do".

As far as the rest of what you posted, I can't make sense of it. Oh, I recognize it as the usual drivel about the inferior Europeans who should be licking the boots of the Americans who liberated them from the Germans with every bit of Russian blood we could squeeze out*, blah-blah-blah ... but it's been too long a day to bother trying to decipher it.

BTW ... the bit about the last drop of Russian blood was an exxageration. Not nearly as much an exaggeration as your piss poor understanding of history, but an exxageration none the less.

Fuck off and die,

Pornodoggy

[J'sdude]

Right On :D :D :D :D

[Nickatilynx]

I'd like to see the US dollar be worth two up here!

A - fucking - men! :-))

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 10 2004, 06:59 PM
I'd like to see the US dollar be worth two up here!

A - fucking - men! :-))
I don't believe it Nicka. We agree on something. Did pigs fly today?

[aeon]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 10 2004, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 10 2004, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Feb 10 2004, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Feb 10 2004, 06:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Feb 10 2004, 07:01 PM
or because they simply don't care...

isolationism all the way...let the fuckers starve & be slaughtered - aint my problem...my tax dollars shouldn't go to save the world; especially a world that think's it's better than me. Fuck em'.

best of luck -
aeon
Isolationism, huh?

Why, it did us SO well in the 30s and early 40s.
Isolationism didn't have us dealing with european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do that was best of us (eg their agendas)...ever heard of a thank you? No...see what the US does is of tantamount import unless it interferes with their agenda or brainwashed ideals - not that I can blame them...they have centuries of "history" and end up being an absolute inferior in the face of a nation that's existed for less than 300 years...I'd be hostile - suddenly nationalism is a failure...it's always easier to blame others than look to yourself.

I have many problems with the US - but when idiots who don't live here...haven't actually experienced it...try and tell anyone...what's wrong here - c'mon...it's enby - no one in their right mind is concered with australia..why should we??? Because we should "learn"...people can learn why jacko likes to fuck little boys...doesn't mean it's worth the effort of time.

best of luck -
aeon
No ... isolationism had us "let[ting] the fuckers starve & be slaughtered" until it spilled out and dragged us in.

Besides ... if you were as smart as you pretend to be you would know that the political predecessors of the current so-called neo-cons thought that was exactly what was happening - that efforts to prepare for war were the result of "european fuckwits trying to tell us what to do".

As far as the rest of what you posted, I can't make sense of it. Oh, I recognize it as the usual drivel about the inferior Europeans who should be licking the boots of the Americans who liberated them from the Germans with every bit of Russian blood we could squeeze out*, blah-blah-blah ... but it's been too long a day to bother trying to decipher it.

BTW ... the bit about the last drop of Russian blood was an exxageration. Not nearly as much an exaggeration as your piss poor understanding of history, but an exxageration none the less.

Fuck off and die,

Pornodoggy[/b][/quote]
let me pretend I'm talking to someone who understands english...and who's IQ is actually in the positive integers...

yer a fuckwit - a living example of why people who actually have an education have a hard time dismissing eugenics in the real world...still reeling over that retroactive abortion comment are we?

it's a woman's right to choose...shame she can't realized the error of her ways down the road...or all the oxygen you waste would actually serve some benefit.

best of luck -
aeon

[J'sdude]

"yer a fuckwit "

poof....you just lost the argument.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by aeon@Feb 10 2004, 10:33 PM
let me pretend I'm talking to someone who understands english...and who's IQ is actually in the positive integers...

yer a fuckwit - a living example of why people who actually have an education have a hard time dismissing eugenics in the real world...still reeling over that retroactive abortion comment are we?

it's a woman's right to choose...shame she can't realized the error of her ways down the road...or all the oxygen you waste would actually serve some benefit.

best of luck -
aeon
Wow. That's really impressive work ... for a high school sophmore. Is that what you are referring to by "people with an education?" I mean, it's a little more sophisticated than "your momma wears combat boots" - but not very much.

Fuck off and die (slowly and painfully),

PornoDoggy

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Feb 10 2004, 03:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Feb 10 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Vick@Feb 10 2004, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
Well that and the Canadian Prime Minister is of limited significance - The Mayor of Chicago, New York or Los Angeles have more stroke, not to mention many Governor's

and for the record the Prime Minister of Canada is Paul Martin
What do you mean more stroke? More power?

And be honest Vick, did you have to look up who the new PM is?[/b][/quote]
I would have had to look it up.
Perhaps if he had stepped up to the plate and shown some balls the day afer 9/11 like Tony Blair did rather than pussy out and wait for the UN to stick its wet finger in the air, more Americans would know who he was.

Oh wait, that was Chretien... aka Cretin... okay so tell me again why we should even care who the **NEW** PM is?



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[Carrie]

This really is so funny.
I doubt that many of you know the full name of your neighbors, his wife, and his children.
I even more highly doubt that you'd be willing to walk into his house and start bitching about what landscaping he should have done, what color he should paint his house, what food he should be feeding his family, what clothes they should be wearing, what you think of how he employs himself and how you think he should spend his money...

Yet those things affect your life more than the US does.

Doubt me?
Let someone move in next to you with two cars on blocks in the driveway, who chooses to paint their house neon pink with purple shutters, who makes his money by repairing cars - in his front yard...
And see how quickly your property value goes down and how the "status" of your neighborhood goes down. Better yet, how *your* status goes down because you live next to this person.

Once you've gone into your neighbor's house and bitched out his entire family about how you think they should be running their household and lived to tell about it, then *maybe* you'll have a right to come to Americans and bitch to them about what their country is doing.
But I doubt it.

You take care of yours, let us take care of ours. God this is getting tiring.

I agree with Peaches - if you don't like Bush, don't vote for him. If you can't vote here, then shut the fuck up and quit your whining... go tend your own yard.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 10 2004, 07:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 10 2004, 07:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Feb 10 2004, 04:24 PM
But I would like to take a moment to point out to the viewers that water isn't frozen at 41F. Nor does it thaw at 21F.

Celcius makes so much more sense.

Water freezes at zero degrees and boils at 100 degrees.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee![/b][/quote]
I agree with you. Kelvin makes even more sense. 0 is 0. End of story.

[OldJeff]

This has become quite amusing, the 6 million per capita was one of the funniest things I have read in a long time, thanks PD.

I agree that if you don't like Bush you shouldn't vote for him (I won't)

I also agree that if you can't vote for him, STFU, it is not your problem.

[Torone]

So, another Socialist country doesn't like GW...TFB!!!

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Carrie+Feb 11 2004, 01:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Feb 11 2004, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Evil Chris@Feb 10 2004, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by -Vick@Feb 10 2004, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 10 2004, 03:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 10 2004, 08:47 AM
Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.
Well that and the Canadian Prime Minister is of limited significance - The Mayor of Chicago, New York or Los Angeles have more stroke, not to mention many Governor's

and for the record the Prime Minister of Canada is Paul Martin
What do you mean more stroke? More power?

And be honest Vick, did you have to look up who the new PM is?
I would have had to look it up.
Perhaps if he had stepped up to the plate and shown some balls the day afer 9/11 like Tony Blair did rather than pussy out and wait for the UN to stick its wet finger in the air, more Americans would know who he was.

Oh wait, that was Chretien... aka Cretin... okay so tell me again why we should even care who the **NEW** PM is?[/b][/quote]
Ease up a bit Carrie... On Sept 11th 2001 didn't you know how a large number of airplanes landed in various places in Canada? Diversions done for safety's sake.

And all those American passengers de-planed and were welcomed into the homes of ordinary Canadians. Not hotels, or gymnasiums. Into their homes as billeted guests. None of this was mentioned even once by Dubaya.

Indeed we stood by the UN over Iraq. I'd proud to say we did. Look further into why the UK didn't and you'll find some interesting results.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 11 2004, 09:45 AM
And all those American passengers de-planed and were welcomed into the homes of ordinary Canadians. Not hotels, or gymnasiums. Into their homes as billeted guests. None of this was mentioned even once by Dubaya.
Where did you hear that?

"Mr. Chrétien said that in a conversation yesterday morning, U.S. President George W. Bush thanked Canadians for their help throughout the crisis, in particular for welcoming planes that had been headed to the United States"

http://www.globeandmail.com/special/attack..._article13.html (http://www.globeandmail.com/special/attack/pages/worldreactions_article13.html)

[Torone]

E.C.,
We all know what a Socialist is...you have many criticisms; but never a workable solution.

As for diplomacy, it was tried for 12 years and 17 UN resolutions.

"Nothing says 'diplomacy' better than a fully-charged phaser bank!"

[PornoDoggy]

If you can't vote here, then shut the fuck up and quit your whining... go tend your own yard.

Interesting thought. Let's apply it universally, shall we?

You live, I belive, in Virginia. You recently started a thread about the possible danger of the gubermint becoming like China because some obscure Washington State Legislator introduced a bill recommending smaller family sizes. Now, I only have a public school education in geography, but I believe that you are a tad closer to Canada than you are to Washington State. I also think it's fair to say that the decisions made by the Deserter-in-Chief have far more of an effect, direct or indirect, on our Canadian neighbors than those of a member of the Washington State government would have on me here in Illinois, or you there in Virginia.

So following your own logic, you really should have shut the fuck up about that. It is no more your business than a Canadian opinion of Bush.



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[OldJeff]

Ok - lets stop giving Canada shit and turn our attention to France, those wacky bastards just allowed a woman to marry a dead boyfriend.

Shit since you can marry the dead there I want to go Marry Marie Antionette

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 11 2004, 10:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 11 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Evil Chris@Feb 11 2004, 09:45 AM
And all those American passengers de-planed and were welcomed into the homes of ordinary Canadians. Not hotels, or gymnasiums. Into their homes as billeted guests. None of this was mentioned even once by Dubaya.
Where did you hear that?

"Mr. Chrétien said that in a conversation yesterday morning, U.S. President George W. Bush thanked Canadians for their help throughout the crisis, in particular for welcoming planes that had been headed to the United States"

http://www.globeandmail.com/special/attack..._article13.html (http://www.globeandmail.com/special/attack/pages/worldreactions_article13.html)[/b][/quote]
Yes however it wasn't stated publicly, only to Chretien. Then Chretien relayed it on to our media.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 11 2004, 11:23 AM
Yes however it wasn't stated publicly, only to Chretien. Then Chretien relayed it on to our media.
Why would Canadiens care since they don't like Bush? :awinky:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:36 AM
Why would Canadiens care since they don't like Bush? :awinky:
Why do so many people spell it "canadien"? Is that an alternate spelling?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Feb 11 2004, 10:23 AM
Yes however it wasn't stated publicly, only to Chretien. Then Chretien relayed it on to our media.
Holy stretching, Batman. Bush is the president of a nation and he thanked the citizens of a nation through their president. I believe that is acceptable and established protocol. Fairly decent too.

Canada isn't Iraq. You just can't expect Bush to show up on TV in Montreal speaking with French subtitles.

[Torone]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 11 2004, 09:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 11 2004, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:36 AM
Why would Canadiens care since they don't like Bush? :awinky:
Why do so many people spell it "canadien"? Is that an alternate spelling?[/b][/quote]
"Canadien" is (I believe) feminine gender...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 11 2004, 11:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 11 2004, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:36 AM
Why would Canadiens care since they don't like Bush? :awinky:
Why do so many people spell it "canadien"? Is that an alternate spelling?[/b][/quote]
That's how I've seen it spelled the majority of the time and being the lemming that I am..... B)

I think it might be Franch! :awinky:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:47 AM
That's how I've seen it spelled the majority of the time and being the lemming that I am..... B)

Conformity works well enough when everyone is right but when the majority are wrong it really backfires.

[Vick]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Feb 11 2004, 10:20 AM
Ok - lets stop giving Canada shit and turn our attention to France, those wacky bastards just allowed a woman to marry a dead boyfriend.

Shit since you can marry the dead there I want to go Marry Marie Antionette
There's no bread
Let them eat .....

Awe nevermind


Edit - p.s. Rob Zombie - Living Dead Girl



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[PornoDoggy]

Yeah, that's kinda petty, EC ... you should have taken important steps in response to that, like having Parliment change the name of some food items or something.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 11 2004, 07:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 11 2004, 07:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:47 AM
That's how I've seen it spelled the majority of the time and being the lemming that I am..... B)

Conformity works well enough when everyone is right but when the majority are wrong it really backfires.[/b][/quote]
Conformity is the root of all evil.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 11 2004, 03:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 11 2004, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 11 2004, 07:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:47 AM
That's how I've seen it spelled the majority of the time and being the lemming that I am..... B)

Conformity works well enough when everyone is right but when the majority are wrong it really backfires.
Conformity is the root of all evil.[/b][/quote]
Spoken buy a guy that wears blue jeans and t-shirts. When're you gonna put on a dress, Joe?

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 11 2004, 01:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 11 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Feb 11 2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 11 2004, 07:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 11 2004, 10:47 AM
That's how I've seen it spelled the majority of the time and being the lemming that I am..... B)

Conformity works well enough when everyone is right but when the majority are wrong it really backfires.
Conformity is the root of all evil.
Spoken buy a guy that wears blue jeans and t-shirts. When're you gonna put on a dress, Joe?[/b][/quote]
I'll put on a dress when I find one that looks good on me.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Torone@Feb 11 2004, 06:58 AM
E.C.,
We all know what a Socialist is...you have many criticisms; but never a workable solution.

As for diplomacy, it was tried for 12 years and 17 UN resolutions.

"Nothing says 'diplomacy' better than a fully-charged phaser bank!"
By that logic, you invaded the wrong countrydude. You should have invaded Israel.

[aeon]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 11 2004, 07:10 AM
If you can't vote here, then shut the fuck up and quit your whining... go tend your own yard.

Interesting thought. Let's apply it universally, shall we?

You live, I belive, in Virginia. You recently started a thread about the possible danger of the gubermint becoming like China because some obscure Washington State Legislator introduced a bill recommending smaller family sizes. Now, I only have a public school education in geography, but I believe that you are a tad closer to Canada than you are to Washington State. I also think it's fair to say that the decisions made by the Deserter-in-Chief have far more of an effect, direct or indirect, on our Canadian neighbors than those of a member of the Washington State government would have on me here in Illinois, or you there in Virginia.

So following your own logic, you really should have shut the fuck up about that. It is no more your business than a Canadian opinion of Bush.
what the fuck does geographic location have to do with ability to vote in the United States Of America? If you aint a citizen and don't live here - there is no universal...that's the beauty of liberals - let them run their mouths enough and eventually they'll make a fool of themselves. Conservatives do it from the get go...and don't hide their BS.

Isn't Canada an independant nation...???

So executive, legislative and judicial decision's import is based on how close they are to anyone else...

fuck yer stupid - the 60's are over...put the bong down and take a bath...do you know what a red herring is?

Liberals; like the other sheep, are tolerant of what they agree with...cept they're stupid enough to pay 5 bucks for a latte.

Kerry for Pres -
aeon

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by aeon+Feb 11 2004, 07:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Feb 11 2004, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Feb 11 2004, 07:10 AM
If you can't vote here, then shut the fuck up and quit your whining... go tend your own yard.

Interesting thought. Let's apply it universally, shall we?

You live, I belive, in Virginia. You recently started a thread about the possible danger of the gubermint becoming like China because some obscure Washington State Legislator introduced a bill recommending smaller family sizes. Now, I only have a public school education in geography, but I believe that you are a tad closer to Canada than you are to Washington State. I also think it's fair to say that the decisions made by the Deserter-in-Chief have far more of an effect, direct or indirect, on our Canadian neighbors than those of a member of the Washington State government would have on me here in Illinois, or you there in Virginia.

So following your own logic, you really should have shut the fuck up about that. It is no more your business than a Canadian opinion of Bush.
what the fuck does geographic location have to do with ability to vote in the United States Of America? If you aint a citizen and don't live here - there is no universal...that's the beauty of liberals - let them run their mouths enough and eventually they'll make a fool of themselves. Conservatives do it from the get go...and don't hide their BS.

Isn't Canada an independant nation...???

So executive, legislative and judicial decision's import is based on how close they are to anyone else...

fuck yer stupid - the 60's are over...put the bong down and take a bath...do you know what a red herring is?

Liberals; like the other sheep, are tolerant of what they agree with...cept they're stupid enough to pay 5 bucks for a latte.

Kerry for Pres -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Just out of curiousity, do the patients on your ward only get computer access after a certain hour, or do you not recover enough from your shock treatments to post until evening?

I'll try and run it for you again, and limit my use of mutisyllable (big) words. Carrie is of the opinion that people who aren't able to vote for him shouldn't comment on deserter in chief Bush. By her own logic, she really shouldn't be commenting on activities in Washington State, which is far, far away from Virginia - since she can't vote there.

BTW ... your attacks on liberals aren't nearly as creative as Buffs, and are (if such a thing is possible without the Tippacanoe and Tyler Too jingle) more outdated than Torones. And the only herring involved in your case would probably be the smell of your girlfriend. Lattes are for pussys.

Sit on it and spin,

PornoDoggy

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 11 2004, 04:13 PM

I'll put on a dress when I find one that looks good on me.

You’ve conformed to the most popular view of what appropriate clothing is. You probably think that your clothes “just feel comfortable” and “look good to you”. These are the same things nearly everyone says. That’s how conformity works.

When will you embrace your slavery, Joe?



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[J'sdude]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 12 2004, 04:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 12 2004, 04:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 11 2004, 04:13 PM

I'll put on a dress when I find one that looks good on me.

You’ve conformed to the most popular view of what appropriate clothing is. You probably think that your clothes “just feel comfortable” and “look good to you”. These are the same things nearly everyone says. That’s how conformity works.

When will you embrace your slavery, Joe?[/b][/quote]
If I was a conformist, at least in terms of fashion because that's the issue under discussion, I'd be changing my look constantly to conform with the trend of the moment. I like jeans for the comfort factor. And I can't go around naked so I have to wear something.

If I wore something like all black just to "look different" you'd be accusing me of conforming to some goth look. No matter what I said I wore you'd be saying I was conforming to something!

The bottom line is that I don't like to stand out, I like to blend in.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 08:22 AM
No matter what I said I wore you'd be saying I was conforming to something!
That's completely right because you are. We all are. We all just choose different groups to conform too.

And right on cue, after I said "You probably think that your clothes just feel comfortable" you replied "I like jeans for the comfort factor." Congratulations, you've joined THEM.

There's a million others just like you, Joe. Who cuss like you, who don't give a fuck like you, who dress like you, walk, talk and act like you.

[Almighty Colin]

Joe,

Even the fact that you believe in something called "proper grammar" and believe people should spell correctly is a sign of massive conformity. You care what people think of you and have gone through effort to make sure you fit in.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 12 2004, 05:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 12 2004, 05:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 08:22 AM
No matter what I said I wore you'd be saying I was conforming to something!
That's completely right because you are. We all are. We all just choose different groups to conform too.[/b][/quote]
Sure. I'll accept that.

But people differ in their level of conformity. If you are going to argue that we are all confomists then you must accept that it is simply a matter of degree.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 09:02 AM
But people differ in their level of conformity. If you are going to argue that we are all confomists then you must accept that it is simply a matter of degree.
To me, it seems more a matter of what we conform to than how much we conform. I see what you're saying but it seems like we're talking about the last 1%. Humans are incredibly social and need each other. We live, work, and play in groups. We're more alike than different.

People listen to music created by others, wear clothes designed by others,
get their hair cut by others, and live in houses designed and built by others. There's little choice in that, of course. There's no time to do it all.

But these same facts necessitate few options. We tend to like certain music styles and not others. We tend to like certain clothing styles and not others. We tend to like certain groups of people more than others. The people that share those similarities form groups. They are our friends.

You have the "trendy" people who wear the trendy clothing lines and go to the trendy clubs.

You have the non-materialists who wear the non-materialist clothing (Few labels, non trendy)

We've had the stoners, the preppies, the headbangers, the goths and the yuppies. Even the bikers. Hell of a group that prides themself on individuality. Nearly every one of them wearing leather and riding a Harley.

You have high schools kids who all say they are striving for their "individualism" but all dressing remarkably like the others in their respective groups.

The most amusing part is that some of us identify with "non conformist" groups, people who claim they are "individualists". I don't really think they are. Such groups tend to have a lot in common with each other (goth is a good example). They subscribe to the cult of antidisestablishmentarianism. They reject the norms of society and then conform to each other instead.



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[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin@Feb 12 2004, 06:22 AM
The most amusing part is that some of us identify with "non conformist" groups, people who claim they are "individualists". I don't really think they are. Such groups tend to have a lot in common with each other (goth is a good example). They subscribe to the cult of antidisestablishmentarianism. They reject the norms of society and then conform to each other instead.
Not all those who reject the norms of society, or antidisestablishmentarianists as you call them, are as easily recognisable as goths or punks. Again, it's all a matter of degree.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 09:34 AM
Not all those who reject the norms of society, or antidisestablishmentarianists as you call them, are as easily recognisable as goths or punks. Again, it's all a matter of degree.
Why? Just because not all groups wear clothing similar to each other?

You sound like a million other guys. You're even making the same arguments as them. An average Joe.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 12 2004, 06:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 12 2004, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 09:34 AM
Not all those who reject the norms of society, or antidisestablishmentarianists as you call them, are as easily recognisable as goths or punks. Again, it's all a matter of degree.
Why? Just because not all groups wear clothing similar to each other?

You sound like a million other guys. You're even making the same arguments as them. An average Joe.[/b][/quote]
Okay, so what group do I belong to? If I'm as much of a conformist as you obviously believe I am you must be able to pigeonhole me easily.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 09:46 AM
Okay, so what group do I belong to? If I'm as much of a conformist as you obviously believe I am you must be able to pigeonhole me easily.
Australian pot smoking, atheist, america-bashing, blue jean evolutionist pornographers. HUGE group ;-)

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 12 2004, 06:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 12 2004, 06:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 09:46 AM
Okay, so what group do I belong to? If I'm as much of a conformist as you obviously believe I am you must be able to pigeonhole me easily.
Australian pot smoking, atheist, america-bashing, blue jean evolutionist pornographers. HUGE group ;-)[/b][/quote]
You forgot well travelled and alcoholic.

:hic:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Feb 12 2004, 09:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Feb 12 2004, 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Feb 12 2004, 06:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Feb 12 2004, 09:46 AM
Okay, so what group do I belong to? If I'm as much of a conformist as you obviously believe I am you must be able to pigeonhole me easily.
Australian pot smoking, atheist, america-bashing, blue jean evolutionist pornographers. HUGE group ;-)
You forgot well travelled and alcoholic.

:hic:[/b][/quote]
All joking aside, liberal intellectual.

[Torone]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 11 2004, 03:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 11 2004, 03:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Feb 11 2004, 06:58 AM
E.C.,
We all know what a Socialist is...you have many criticisms; but never a workable solution.

As for diplomacy, it was tried for 12 years and 17 UN resolutions.

"Nothing says 'diplomacy' better than a fully-charged phaser bank!"
By that logic, you invaded the wrong countrydude. You should have invaded Israel.[/b][/quote]
You sound a bit Anti-Semitic. I don't think Israel was part of the discussion.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone+Feb 12 2004, 02:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Torone @ Feb 12 2004, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 11 2004, 03:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Feb 11 2004, 06:58 AM
E.C.,
We all know what a Socialist is...you have many criticisms; but never a workable solution.

As for diplomacy, it was tried for 12 years and 17 UN resolutions.

"Nothing says 'diplomacy' better than a fully-charged phaser bank!"
By that logic, you invaded the wrong countrydude. You should have invaded Israel.
You sound a bit Anti-Semitic. I don't think Israel was part of the discussion.[/b][/quote]
Uhhh ... criticizing Israel is not by it's nature being anti-semetic.

I had to read it three times before I even had a clue what the hell he was talking about - which is, uh, a few more times than I usually give his stuff - and I think I know where he was going. It's not antisemitism, even if it is pretty garbled thinking.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Feb 12 2004, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Feb 12 2004, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Torone@Feb 12 2004, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 11 2004, 03:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Feb 11 2004, 06:58 AM
E.C.,
We all know what a Socialist is...you have many criticisms; but never a workable solution.

As for diplomacy, it was tried for 12 years and 17 UN resolutions.

"Nothing says 'diplomacy' better than a fully-charged phaser bank!"
By that logic, you invaded the wrong countrydude. You should have invaded Israel.
You sound a bit Anti-Semitic. I don't think Israel was part of the discussion.
Uhhh ... criticizing Israel is not by it's nature being anti-semetic.

I had to read it three times before I even had a clue what the hell he was talking about - which is, uh, a few more times than I usually give his stuff - and I think I know where he was going. It's not antisemitism, even if it is pretty garbled thinking.[/b][/quote]
It is neither anti semitic nor garbled. You are right. Criticizing the State Of Israel is not anti-Semitic (BTW, Arabs are Semites as well)
If the logic for invading iraq was ignored UN Resolutions then read this

http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pa...resolutions.htm (http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm)

I am not saying that Israel is right or wrong and I am not passing judgement. I do say, however, that if the excuse for invading Iraq was UN Resolution violations, then Israel should have been invaded years ago. I think that is pretty clear.