reality sites...

[123Jason]

Just wondering what some opinions are on reality sites...do you think they are past their prime and on the way out...here to stay...or going to take over the entire entertainment world?

[Peaches]

Grossly oversaturated and no longer the novelty they were, IMHO.

[Becky]

There is one concept to reality sites that I don't think will ever lose it's appeal, that being exclusive content. It doesn't matter how you wrap the content up in the tour, as long as you can't find it anywhere else, it is going to do well. Also, I think the fact that reality type sites have a central theme and characters like tv shows and such, will help them stay popular.

So I'm on the side of they are here to stay.

[Evil Chris]

I think they are still strong.

Maybe soon it will be time to hype them from a different angle is all.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Grossly oversaturated and no longer the novelty they were, IMHO.
Yes Peaches you are right. Dont build any reality site.....just get ready to promote mine!

[JR]

i think that any site that is well done, original, well produced, well designed and updated constantly does well.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Becky@Feb 5 2004, 12:31 PM
There is one concept to reality sites that I don't think will ever lose it's appeal, that being exclusive content.
Excellent point and you are 100% correct. I guess I should have stated that I was referring to the current cookie cutter sites:

Talk the girl into getting into the car
Slowly talk her into stripping
Fuck her
Dump her off and make her mad

These were boring to me after the first 5-10 but new ideas - be they reality based or not - and exclusive content will ALWAYS sell. :)



Last edited by Peaches at Feb 5 2004, 12:46 PM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo+Feb 5 2004, 12:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Feb 5 2004, 12:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Grossly oversaturated and no longer the novelty they were, IMHO.
Yes Peaches you are right. Dont build any reality site.....just get ready to promote mine![/b][/quote]
"Fat Old Redneck Granny in the Trailerpark" would have sold millions....I just wasn't ever able to get someone to have sex with me. :(

[Mike AI]

I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 11:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
I will prove you wrong with the Ugly chicks!

[Deepai]

One thing to remember is that reality is a niche, so there are people who only get off on some chick getting tricked and dumped, like on www.chicktrick.com, so there will always be a market for it. Its like a real life version of the little dirty story books that were the rave way back when, those stories that got people off were about meeting some random chick, bangin her and takin off. A lot of people get off on segments which include a plot. Not a lot of customers really care for the porn star thats been with 2000 different guys, nowadays guys want the innocent chick that sells cars and gets tricked into screwing some I am a MORON,. To conclude as long as the site is done well it will flourish.
ciau.

[JR]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
agreed. i think people tend to get confused in adult. "does XYZ still sell" tends to mean "is the easy money still there, where i can just throw up a copycat site, buy some crap content and take advantage of the "new thing" rage until the dust settles and similar people like me can't make it any more."

people will always pay for porn.
as the market continues to adjust, it will be increasingly difficult for bad business people to sell it.

[dantheman]

guess I'll jump in here to say, if anyone needs some reality type video production done we have a opening or 2 for more clients.

and I agree with most of what's been said here, We've got a couple on the board with some unique ideas and I'm interested to see how they do once thier up and running.

we'll see though

[123Jason]

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 5 2004, 08:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 5 2004, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 12:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Grossly oversaturated and no longer the novelty they were, IMHO.
Yes Peaches you are right. Dont build any reality site.....just get ready to promote mine!
"Fat Old Redneck Granny in the Trailerpark" would have sold millions....I just wasn't ever able to get someone to have sex with me. :([/b][/quote]
Damn Peaches, you should've called me...we could have started an empire!

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.[/b][/quote]
See Serge when hes not pissing hes one smart d00d!

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by gonzo+Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.
See Serge when hes not pissing hes one smart d00d![/b][/quote]
G, he already knew that. But ya gotta shake his tree. The cobwebs need to be blown out now and then. Too many Sykkophants tend to dull one's skills. I actually think Serge has something to offer, but just can't seem to get it out.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 5 2004, 02:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 5 2004, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.
See Serge when hes not pissing hes one smart d00d!
G, he already knew that. But ya gotta shake his tree. The cobwebs need to be blown out now and then. Too many Sykkophants tend to dull one's skills. I actually think Serge has something to offer, but just can't seem to get it out.[/b][/quote]
I bet he will tell you if you whisper in his ear and send him cash.
Serge knows....

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by gonzo+Feb 5 2004, 11:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Feb 5 2004, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.
See Serge when hes not pissing hes one smart d00d!
G, he already knew that. But ya gotta shake his tree. The cobwebs need to be blown out now and then. Too many Sykkophants tend to dull one's skills. I actually think Serge has something to offer, but just can't seem to get it out.
I bet he will tell you if you whisper in his ear and send him cash.
Serge knows....[/b][/quote]
Cash? Is he in need? Oh yeah, I forgot. He needs to get a frame for his Picasso print.



Last edited by J'sdude at Feb 5 2004, 11:35 AM

[gonzo]

Originally posted by J'sdude+Feb 5 2004, 02:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'sdude @ Feb 5 2004, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.
See Serge when hes not pissing hes one smart d00d!
G, he already knew that. But ya gotta shake his tree. The cobwebs need to be blown out now and then. Too many Sykkophants tend to dull one's skills. I actually think Serge has something to offer, but just can't seem to get it out.
I bet he will tell you if you whisper in his ear and send him cash.
Serge knows....
Cash? Is he in need? Oh yeah, I forgot. He needs to get a frame for his Picasso print.[/b][/quote]
a man always needs mo mon-ay.
Ill give you my paypal account ifn you wanna.
I need that new little credit card Sony cam coming out.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by gonzo+Feb 5 2004, 11:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Feb 5 2004, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by -gonzo@Feb 5 2004, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by -J'sdude@Feb 5 2004, 01:54 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 08:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
There is always room for any new site that has a usp, reality or not. I could sell anything that is unique and horny. Reality is just a genre. It all depends on the content. There is nothing new in sex, but presentation is everything. Surfers don't want to spend their money because there is so much free stuff out there. You have to make them so horny, they have to pull out their credit card. The photography has to be good but the chicks don't have to be beautiful. In fact beautiful girls are a dime a dozen and don't necessarily sell all that well. The trick is in your vision, intuition, and your eye. The rest is easy.
See Serge when hes not pissing hes one smart d00d!
G, he already knew that. But ya gotta shake his tree. The cobwebs need to be blown out now and then. Too many Sykkophants tend to dull one's skills. I actually think Serge has something to offer, but just can't seem to get it out.
I bet he will tell you if you whisper in his ear and send him cash.
Serge knows....
Cash? Is he in need? Oh yeah, I forgot. He needs to get a frame for his Picasso print.
a man always needs mo mon-ay.
Ill give you my paypal account ifn you wanna.
I need that new little credit card Sony cam coming out.[/b][/quote]
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste.....hope you guess my name.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 11:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
This is very true. What's funny s shit is when you see the same model appearing on a dozen reality sites! lol - busy ass girl.

When reality looks REAL and not all this staged shit I think it's great and you retain. A good concept and right market sells.

[J'sdude]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Feb 5 2004, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Feb 5 2004, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Feb 5 2004, 11:48 AM
I think most people here are correct. Porn is porn. If it is made well, has hot people, good scenes, then it will sell and convert.

However, if you have weak scenes, poor camerawork, ugly chicks, not matter how unique the idea it will not sell.
This is very true. What's funny s shit is when you see the same model appearing on a dozen reality sites! lol - busy ass girl.

When reality looks REAL and not all this staged shit I think it's great and you retain. A good concept and right market sells.[/b][/quote]
One of the problems is that so many website mechanics pay no attention to their content. Its true that the same girls appear all over hells half acre. However, if you are professional and use a professional make up artist, wigs, props etc. these girls are not easily spotted. Attention to detail makes money. I have been in the media business for a very long time and the constant at the top end is attention to detail.
Another thing I find, is listening to people that have come into the business more recently and are successful can be very useful. Sometimes the advice from the "oldtimers" no matter how rich they became, is not as valuable because they made their money when a trained gorilla could put up a few pics, shift some traffic, sell some videos and get rich. The guys that came along later tend to know more about creativity and marketing. Just MHO.

[synapse]

We're in the business of real people and providing an environment which is supportive of grown-up entertainment, and I gotta tell ya we're seeing growth each month. I believe that when you create an environment that let's real people become the center of the exhib/voy expierence there's always going to be a great market.