Liberals getting violent?

[Mike AI]

http://nypost.com/news/nationalnews/16692.htm

AL FRANKEN KNOCKS DOWN DEAN HECKLER




January 27, 2004 -- EXETER, N.H. - Wise-cracking funnyman Al Franken yesterday body-slammed a demonstrator to the ground after the man tried to shout down Gov. Howard Dean.
The tussle left Franken's trademark thick-rim glasses broken, but he said he was not injured.

Franken - who seemed in a state of shock and out of breath after the incident - was helped back to his feet by several people who watched the tussle. Police arrived soon after.

"I got down low and took his legs out," said Franken afterwards.

Franken said he's not backing Dean but merely wanted to protect the right of people to speak freely. "I would have done it if he was a Dean supporter at a Kerry rally," he said.

"I'm neutral in this race but I'm for freedom of speech, which means people should be able to assemble and speak without being shouted down."

The trouble started when several supporters of fringe presidential candidate Lyndon Larouche began shouting accusations at Dean.



Franken emerged from the crowd and charged one male protester, grabbing him with a bear hug from behind and slamming him onto the floor.

"I was a wrestler so I used a wrestling move," Franken said

[Mike AI]

Apparently a blood thirty dictator who commits mass murder, ethnic cleansing, gassing his own people, letting his son rape groups of women should be left alone and get a free pass.

BUT if you heckle a democrat, you should be pummeled into the ground because its important to protect free speech.

What about the hecklers right to free speech??

Can you imagine what this heckler must look like if Al Franken took him down? He must have been over 65 and of French birth!

Doesn't Al know, violence is not the answer, it only leads to more violence!! Surely Al could have just gone to the UN to get a resolution condemning them an, he should have gone to the UN to build a coalition before acting unilaterally!!

[Buff]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 27 2004, 11:11 AM
Apparently a blood thirty dictator who commits mass murder, ethnic cleansing, gassing his own people, letting his son rape groups of women should be left alone and get a free pass.

BUT if you heckle a democrat, you should be pummeled into the ground because its important to protect free speech.

What about the hecklers right to free speech??

Can you imagine what this heckler must look like if Al Franken took him down? He must have been over 65 and of French birth!

Doesn't Al know, violence is not the answer, it only leads to more violence!! Surely Al could have just gone to the UN to get a resolution condemning them an, he should have gone to the UN to build a coalition before acting unilaterally!!
And then the kicker is... apparently the heckler was a Kerry supporter???!!!! This is hilarious!

[Vick]

Does this smell of bull, does it smell of a set up to get Franken press?

Franken has a new radio show about to launch

[JR]

how do you attack someone to stop them from speaking and claim to do it in defense of peoples right to speak?

:rolleyes:

[Buff]

Originally posted by JR@Jan 27 2004, 12:31 PM
how do you attack someone to stop them from speaking and claim to do it in defense of peoples right to speak?

:rolleyes:
Welcome to leftism.

[Dravyk]

I don't trust anyone who leans too far to the right or the left.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Jan 27 2004, 01:45 PM
I don't trust anyone who leans too far to the right or the left.
even when they're intoxicated?

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Vick+Jan 27 2004, 02:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 27 2004, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Jan 27 2004, 01:45 PM
I don't trust anyone who leans too far to the right or the left.
even when they're intoxicated?[/b][/quote]
Drunks and the Tower of Piza have exemption status. :agrin:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Vick@Jan 27 2004, 12:53 PM
Does this smell of bull, does it smell of a set up to get Franken press?

Franken has a new radio show about to launch
So does Buff!

[Vick]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jan 27 2004, 02:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jan 27 2004, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Jan 27 2004, 12:53 PM
Does this smell of bull, does it smell of a set up to get Franken press?

Franken has a new radio show about to launch
So does Buff![/b][/quote]
Drav :okthumb:

But what publicity stuff with Buff come up with for his new radio show - any ideas?

[Buff]

Originally posted by Vick+Jan 27 2004, 01:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 27 2004, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Jan 27 2004, 02:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Jan 27 2004, 12:53 PM
Does this smell of bull, does it smell of a set up to get Franken press?

Franken has a new radio show about to launch
So does Buff!
Drav :okthumb:

But what publicity stuff with Buff come up with for his new radio show - any ideas?[/b][/quote]
I am gonna BASE jump nude off of a 50 foot building in downtown Abeline, Texas to get maximum exposure!

[pushpills]

http://www.rakemag.com/images/upload_images/7615/franken280X145.jpg

[dig420]

Franken also challenged some conservative columnist who was calling some democrat a sissy to a fistfight in a parking garage, and called HIM a sissy when he wouldn't fight him.

Franken is a bit violent.

[Carrie]

Watch to see if charges are filed. If not, it was definitely a publicity stunt.
If they are, it just doesn't say anything good about Al's temper.
Heyyyy... perhaps he and Dean could go on the road together, a vaudeville of tantrums!

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 27 2004, 04:00 PM
Watch to see if charges are filed. If not, it was definitely a publicity stunt.
If they are, it just doesn't say anything good about Al's temper.
Heyyyy... perhaps he and Dean could go on the road together, a vaudeville of tantrums!
Who would have thought it was the liberals who are the angry white men?

[Joe Sixpack]

So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?

I love the logic.

:D

[mojobill]

..um.. but the...

I will violate the freedom of speech of the guy I dont like in favor of the one I DO like

Logic works???

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 04:47 PM
So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?

I love the logic.

:D


We know better, many liberals espouse non-violence, and are always against war, even in defending ones self. I think its just ironic that some of the same people who make these claims are the ones committing violent acts....

that is all - just an observation.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 04:47 PM
So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?

I love the logic.

:D
Sure... just like all conservatives are non-porn religious folks just because Ashcroft is.

See how this works?

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 27 2004, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 27 2004, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 04:47 PM
So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?

I love the logic.

:D
Sure... just like all conservatives are non-porn religious folks just because Ashcroft is.

See how this works?[/b][/quote]
So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?

[aeon]

liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot. :stout:

best of luck -
aeon

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:09 PM

So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?

Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.

Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.

[[Labret]]

and if you are such a bitch that you allow Al Franken close enough to you to not only grab you, but bodyslam you... you deserve it.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 27 2004, 03:28 PM

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 27 2004, 06:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 27 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:09 PM

So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?

Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.

Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.[/b][/quote]


I think most of the NeoCons on Oprano understand their political views as well as those inthe world around them.

I can only speak for myself, but I am only NeoCon when it comes to foreign policy. Of course I can trace the concepts I beleive in to Thucydides.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 27 2004, 06:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 27 2004, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 27 2004, 03:06 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 04:47 PM
So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?

I love the logic.

:D
Sure... just like all conservatives are non-porn religious folks just because Ashcroft is.

See how this works?
So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?[/b][/quote]
Hell I'd never suggest that, but it's been preached to me by hundreds of GFYers and a couple of Opranauts as well - all "leftys", of course.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 06:24 PM
liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot. :stout:

best of luck -
aeon
Sometimes, you're just evil. :okthumb:

[aeon]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 27 2004, 03:25 PM
Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here.
I would certainly hope you're not limiting that simply citizens of the US...all countries have their sheep...they can't survive without them but a bunch of fucked up euro poofters whining - screw that - they're just pissed that their nationalistic identity, pride and longevity left them kissing the ass of a country; that in 250 years, has positioned itself as the most dominant military and economic force human civilization has ever seen...it's sheep that look to blame others for their own failures & look for anyway to show their national penis is bigger - I'd be pissed too if my country, culture was such a fucked up failure.

best of luck -
aeon

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 03:24 PM
liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot. :stout:

best of luck -
aeon
What makes you think that if you are a pacifist it is hypocritical to defend yourself from violence?

[aeon]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:40 PM
What makes you think that if you are a pacifist it is hypocritical to defend yourself from violence?
pacifist

adj : opposed to war [syn: pacifist(a), pacifistic] n : someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes.

best of luck -
aeon

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 27 2004, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 27 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:09 PM

So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?

Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.

Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, a lot of Americans seem to find comfort in describing themselves as conservatives because it says more about what they don't believe than what they do believe.

Yeah, I remember that guy from Seattle in 'The Other Side'. I thought it was hilarious he thought of himself as a "lefty". I still regret not deliberately getting that fucker lost when he wanted directions back to his hostel.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Jan 27 2004, 03:51 PM

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 27 2004, 03:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 27 2004, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:40 PM
What makes you think that if you are a pacifist it is hypocritical to defend yourself from violence?
pacifist

adj : opposed to war [syn: pacifist(a), pacifistic] n : someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
You have a strange view of pacificsts.

I'm a pacificist but I'll defend myself from violence.

Self-defence is completely different from initiating an act of violence.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 27 2004, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 27 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Jan 27 2004, 03:25 PM
Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here.
I would certainly hope you're not limiting that simply citizens of the US...all countries have their sheep...they can't survive without them but a bunch of fucked up euro poofters whining - screw that - they're just pissed that their nationalistic identity, pride and longevity left them kissing the ass of a country; that in 250 years, has positioned itself as the most dominant military and economic force human civilization has ever seen...it's sheep that look to blame others for their own failures & look for anyway to show their national penis is bigger - I'd be pissed too if my country, culture was such a fucked up failure.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Much of your country's wealth was built by stealing land rich in natural resources from it's original inhabitants (native Americans) and killing them; enslaving black Africans and making them work for no pay and pillaging the third world of it's resources.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Jan 27 2004, 03:56 PM

[aeon]

rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...

possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?

best of luck -
aeon

[aeon]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:55 PM
Much of your country's wealth was built by stealing land rich in natural resources from it's original inhabitants and killing them; enslaving black Africans and making them work for no pay and pillaging the third world of it's resources.
how many aborigenes do you have crashing for the evening?

best of luck -
aeon

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 03:56 PM
rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...

possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?

best of luck -
aeon
I am not rationalising anything.

Like I said, you'll find pacifists will defend themselves from violence but will not initiate it. It is a human instinct to defend yourself.

There is no hypocrisy.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 27 2004, 03:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 27 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jan 27 2004, 03:56 PM
rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...

possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?

best of luck -
aeon
I am not rationalising anything.

Like I said, you'll find pacifists will defend themselves from violence but will not initiate it. It is a human instinct to defend yourself.

There is no hypocrisy.[/b][/quote]
You will not find me defending the actions of those who founded this country either.

But then, I am not the one bragging about my countries "achievements".

[aeon]

do you know what "ad hoc" is? I would suggest you examine it a bit more closely with the aborigene's you are sharing your western wealth with...

best of luck -
aeon

[aeon]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 27 2004, 04:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 27 2004, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jan 27 2004, 03:56 PM
rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...

possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?

best of luck -
aeon
I am not rationalising anything.

Like I said, you'll find pacifists will defend themselves from violence but will not initiate it. It is a human instinct to defend yourself.

There is no hypocrisy.
You will not find me defending the actions of those who founded this country either.

But then, I am not the one bragging about my countries "achievements".[/b][/quote]
see scooter - I'm not bragging - your existence or lack thereof means nothing to me...I'm just pointing out the obvious: which most lack the cognative ability to do :okthumb:

I plan on moving out the US.

best of luck -
aeon

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 04:01 PM
do you know what "ad hoc" is? I would suggest you examine it a bit more closely with the aborigene's you are sharing your western wealth with...

best of luck -
aeon
First, try getting the spelling of 'aborigine' correct.

Also, as I already stated, I in no way condone or approve of the way the aboriginal people were treated, firstly by the English and secondly by Australians after we became a nation in 1901.

[aeon]

I wasn't an english major - sue me.

great!!! lemme know when you put your money where your mouth is...or is just rhetoric?

best of luck -
aeon

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 04:10 PM
I wasn't an english major - sue me.

great!!! lemme know when you put your money where your mouth is...or is just rhetoric?

best of luck -
aeon
I put my vote and my money where my mouth is every time there is an election here.

[aeon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - honestly...I would have expected a bit more cognitive function.

I would bet john aschroft votes too!

best of luck -
aeon

[dig420]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 06:24 PM
liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot. :stout:

best of luck -
aeon
you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.

Hippies have as much to do with most liberals as white supremacists in Utah have to do with most conservatives.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by dig420+Jan 27 2004, 05:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dig420 @ Jan 27 2004, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--aeon@Jan 27 2004, 06:24 PM
liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot. :stout:

best of luck -
aeon
you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.

Hippies have as much to do with most liberals as white supremacists in Utah have to do with most conservatives.[/b][/quote]
Not all pacifists are hippies.

Personally, I don't believe there is anything wrong with the view that self-defence (both on a personal and national level) is the only justification for violence.

[aeon]

Originally posted by dig420@Jan 27 2004, 05:44 PM

you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.

justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...

and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?

best of luck -
aeon

[PornoDoggy]

Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...

[dig420]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 27 2004, 10:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 27 2004, 10:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--dig420@Jan 27 2004, 05:44 PM

you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.

justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...

and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Just cause? Someone who is a threat to us, our allies, or the world in general, which Saddam was not. He was just another tinpot dictator in a world full of them who had already had his teeth pulled.

My criteria for violence is someone putting hands on me or those I love.

[PornoDoggy]

justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...

and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?


The most obvious case of a liberal "just cause" was, of course, Hitler. Many on the left were ready to come to the aid of those fighting him, if not join in directly, long before the political antecedents of the contemporary neo-cons were forced into war by the Japanese attack and subsequent declaration of war by Hitler.

Then, of course, there is the whole damned Vietnam debacle. The original backers of military assistance to South Vietnam were the much despised Eastern (mostly Catholic) liberals such as the Kennedys.

Most recently, I suppose, would be the mission in Bosnia.

[JR]

The Bible teaches us that we should love each other. We are all brothers and sisters in one big family with God as our father.

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 01:08 AM
Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...
So what do you call someone who hates our President, thinks even third-world countries which desire the destruction of this country are superior to this country, wants to do away with our form of gov't in favor of a Socialist/Marxist/Communist form, and feels that The First Amendment applies only when THEY want to speak?

"When you're runnin' down our country, Hoss, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!" :salute: :salute: :salute:



Last edited by Torone at Jan 28 2004, 08:52 AM

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone+Jan 28 2004, 09:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Torone @ Jan 28 2004, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 01:08 AM
Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...
So what do you call someone who hates our President, thinks even third-world countries which desire the destruction of this country are superior to this country, wants to do away with our form of gov't in favor of a Socialist/Marxist/Communist form, and feels that The First Amendment applies only when THEY want to speak?

"When you're runnin' down our country, Hoss, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!" :salute: :salute: :salute:[/b][/quote]
Okay, the first one is a valid question - and I'd call him a right-thinking American. The rest of it is just ... well ... I don't know what the fuck you are taling about. I don't know any people who think third world coutnries are superior to the United States, unless you count Texans; as far as the Socialist/Marxist/Communist crap, pass me a hit of that - it's got to be good shit.

And you, of all people, should know better than to drag the first amnendment into this conversation. I do not believe the government should ban people from stating political opinions merely becasue they are stupid - and that would logically include people who equate liberalism with a lack of patriotism. As a liberal, I feel a certain amount of sympathy for the mentally challenged, even if I don't care much for the ideas they parrot.

[aeon]

Originally posted by dig420@Jan 27 2004, 11:45 PM

Just cause? Someone who is a threat to us, our allies, or the world in general
Using that logic...most every arabic country there is should be eradicated. Like it or not, Israel is the US's ally...Lebanon, Syria, & Iran are all direct threats to our allie - can you say "glass desert". Wait minute, didn't sadaam start rewarding people that blew up our allie's citizens? - that seems like a pretty fuckin' direct threat to me...

Next kiss North Korea bye - South Korea & Japan are our allies too...the list goes on and on...

I'm starting to like liberals and pacifists more & more :salute:

best of luck -
aeon

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jan 28 2004, 04:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jan 28 2004, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Torone@Jan 28 2004, 09:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 01:08 AM
Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...
So what do you call someone who hates our President, thinks even third-world countries which desire the destruction of this country are superior to this country, wants to do away with our form of gov't in favor of a Socialist/Marxist/Communist form, and feels that The First Amendment applies only when THEY want to speak?

"When you're runnin' down our country, Hoss, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!" :salute: :salute: :salute:
Okay, the first one is a valid question - and I'd call him a right-thinking American. The rest of it is just ... well ... I don't know what the fuck you are taling about. I don't know any people who think third world coutnries are superior to the United States, unless you count Texans; as far as the Socialist/Marxist/Communist crap, pass me a hit of that - it's got to be good shit.

And you, of all people, should know better than to drag the first amnendment into this conversation. I do not believe the government should ban people from stating political opinions merely becasue they are stupid - and that would logically include people who equate liberalism with a lack of patriotism. As a liberal, I feel a certain amount of sympathy for the mentally challenged, even if I don't care much for the ideas they parrot.[/b][/quote]
You just don't get it; and you are unteachable. You never bothered to compare the Communist goals to the Liberal agenda, did you? As for not knowing anyone...you are saying that you don't watch TV or read your local Liberal rag? Try listening to your favorite Liberal pols. That might give you an idea why I say this: LIBERALS ARE UNPATRIOTIC AND ANTI-AMERICAN! They are driven by pure hate, and it extends far beyond the Office of The President. Their own words indict them. According to them (one and all), we should immediately surrender our national sovereignty to the UN and confiscate every dime that anyone has over what they set as the poverty level.

BS!

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Torone+Jan 28 2004, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Torone @ Jan 28 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by -Torone@Jan 28 2004, 09:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 01:08 AM
Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...
So what do you call someone who hates our President, thinks even third-world countries which desire the destruction of this country are superior to this country, wants to do away with our form of gov't in favor of a Socialist/Marxist/Communist form, and feels that The First Amendment applies only when THEY want to speak?

"When you're runnin' down our country, Hoss, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!" :salute: :salute: :salute:
Okay, the first one is a valid question - and I'd call him a right-thinking American. The rest of it is just ... well ... I don't know what the fuck you are taling about. I don't know any people who think third world coutnries are superior to the United States, unless you count Texans; as far as the Socialist/Marxist/Communist crap, pass me a hit of that - it's got to be good shit.

And you, of all people, should know better than to drag the first amnendment into this conversation. I do not believe the government should ban people from stating political opinions merely becasue they are stupid - and that would logically include people who equate liberalism with a lack of patriotism. As a liberal, I feel a certain amount of sympathy for the mentally challenged, even if I don't care much for the ideas they parrot.
You just don't get it; and you are unteachable. You never bothered to compare the Communist goals to the Liberal agenda, did you? As for not knowing anyone...you are saying that you don't watch TV or read your local Liberal rag? Try listening to your favorite Liberal pols. That might give you an idea why I say this: LIBERALS ARE UNPATRIOTIC AND ANTI-AMERICAN! They are driven by pure hate, and it extends far beyond the Office of The President. Their own words indict them. According to them (one and all), we should immediately surrender our national sovereignty to the UN and confiscate every dime that anyone has over what they set as the poverty level.

BS![/b][/quote]

ahahahaha

Holy shit, someone read some Ann Coulter. Do not even try and deny it sheep, I just finished Treason myself.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 06:55 PM
Much of your country's wealth was built by stealing land rich in natural resources from it's original inhabitants (native Americans) and killing them; enslaving black Africans and making them work for no pay and pillaging the third world of it's resources.
Actually, it was the black africans who enslaved their own tribe members (brothers, sisters, children, nieces, nephews, etc etc) for many years before the white man came.
When the white man showed up, they realized they could make a profit by *selling* these slaves, and did so. And continued to enslave more tribesmen to take to market.

It's a tired, old half-assed argument perpetuated by those who don't want to know/remember the truth.

[[Labret]]

Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?

Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.



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[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 07:27 PM
you need to be drug
can you make a post in ANY thread without "drug" reference?

are you THAT junkie????

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 08:27 PM
Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?

Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
One forgets that most countries had African slaves. In fact, the colonists of America were merely continuing what they were taught in their homeland of Britain, who had African slaves since the 1500's. :rolleyes:

In fact, Ireland - where you claim a desire to flee to - started having African slaves in the 9th century.

As far as the Indians, let's not forget that humans, like every other living creature on this earth, takes over by force an area which they want to live in. Again - this has been going on for millions of years - it didn't start with America. :okthumb:

I still think it's funny that you've spent so much time in America while professing to dislike everything about this country, lol! It's even more comical that the faults you find with America are faults most countries have. :P

[[Labret]]

For Carrie its a matter of who enslaved the nigger first. For Peaches its a moot point because other people enslaved as well.

Thats it? Seriously, thats all you two dumbfucks could put together?

You are right you two, its ok because the Irish did it in the 10th century (according to professor peaches), and because we bought them "pre-owned" so to speak.

You both are proof that there is no God.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 09:03 PM
You both are proof that there is no God.
Nah - we basically merely proved that 99.999% of the people around the world since the beginning of time tend to do as adults what they raised as kids to do. :P

I'm surprised you haven't realized that, being such a grand sociology master! :unsure:

[Winetalk.com]

Slavery is GOOD...my people were enslaved by the Egyptiand 5000 years ago and look at us now
;-)))

My most favorite slave is Labret,
he is working his ass off on Oprano seeking God....at ZERO cost....

too bad he'll never have children due to horse accident and I won't get any more slaves from Detroit
;-((((

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 08:03 PM
For Carrie its a matter of who enslaved the nigger first. For Peaches its a moot point because other people enslaved as well.

Thats it? Seriously, thats all you two dumbfucks could put together?

You are right you two, its ok because the Irish did it in the 10th century (according to professor peaches), and because we bought them "pre-owned" so to speak.

You both are proof that there is no God.
Why, [labert], didn't you know that the whole idea that slavery was an abomibnation is all liberal media lies put out by Jews? I mean, it has to be Jews, because I know you have posted "proof" that Jews control the media in the past...

There is something terribly American about a Northern anti-semite lecturing cracker ladies about race ... odd, and pathetic, but terribly American.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 08:50 PM

Why, [labert], didn't you know that the whole idea that slavery was an abomibnation is all liberal media lies put out by Jews? I mean, it has to be Jews, because I know you have posted "proof" that Jews control the media in the past...



Fuckin Jews.


There is something terribly American about a Northern anti-semite lecturing cracker ladies about race ... odd, and pathetic, but terribly American.


Were you a goth kid by chance? Misunderstood in highschool? Femi?

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 12:17 AM
Fuckin Jews.
Foreskin too tight LeBrat?

[Torone]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 02:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 02:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 08:50 PM

Why, [labert], didn't you know that the whole idea that slavery was an abomibnation is all liberal media lies put out by Jews? I mean, it has to be Jews, because I know you have posted "proof" that Jews control the media in the past...



Fuckin Jews.


There is something terribly American about a Northern anti-semite lecturing cracker ladies about race ... odd, and pathetic, but terribly American.


Were you a goth kid by chance? Misunderstood in highschool? Femi?[/b][/quote]
Once again, you demonstrate your total ignorance...
Pd is somewhat younger than I; but when he was a kid, Goth was just part of the word Gothic (as in architecture or fonts).

Re: Slavery...
America was the leader in ending slavery after existing for only about 75 years. If you give no credence to that, you are either stupid or stupid.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Torone@Jan 29 2004, 09:46 AM
Re: Slavery...
America was the leader in ending slavery after existing for only about 75 years. If you give no credence to that, you are either stupid or stupid.
:okthumb:

[Carrie]

I never said slavery wasn't an abomination.
I merely pointed out the glaring flaws in the old insult that Americans owned slaves. It's thrown around constantly like we're the ones that invented the whole idea; we're not.

And for people who CLAIM to have a "world view", it's very funny how they continually overlook the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.
Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.

[Torone]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 06:27 PM
Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?

Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
What's with your command of the English language? Stuck on drugs? The proper word in that context would have been 'dragged'. So much for your claims of a super education...

[Torone]

Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 08:13 AM
I never said slavery wasn't an abomination.
I merely pointed out the glaring flaws in the old insult that Americans owned slaves. It's thrown around constantly like we're the ones that invented the whole idea; we're not.

And for people who CLAIM to have a "world view", it's very funny how they continually overlook the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.
Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.
:okthumb: :okthumb: :okthumb:

Add to that that slavery still exists...In Sudan!



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[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 03:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 08:50 PM

Why, [labert], didn't you know that the whole idea that slavery was an abomibnation is all liberal media lies put out by Jews? I mean, it has to be Jews, because I know you have posted "proof" that Jews control the media in the past...



Fuckin Jews.


There is something terribly American about a Northern anti-semite lecturing cracker ladies about race ... odd, and pathetic, but terribly American.


Were you a goth kid by chance? Misunderstood in highschool? Femi?[/b][/quote]
Was I a goth kid in high school? No ... as Torone pointed out, there was no such critter when I was in high school. As a sociologist, I realize you need a label ... so I guess I was a hippie. Remember, now, this was 1967-1971, so this was the FIRST time around, not some retro pseudo wannabe.

America was the leader in ending slavery after existing for only about 75 years.
That America was the leader is debatable ...I believe some European nations had done away with it before we did.

Of course, treating the end of slavery in 1865 as anything more than a superficial event is senseless.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 06:27 PM
Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?

Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
Slavery was around since day 1 on Earth. Why should the United States be singled out? What makes our slavery any worse than the slavery in Africa or Asia or Europe?

How come you leftist bitches don't whine about the slavery that existed in France?

Labret, when the fuck are you leaving for good? My guess is that you're just another Alec Baldwin, promising to get the fuck out, but without enough honor to keep your word.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 12:26 PM
Labret, when the fuck are you leaving for good? My guess is that you're just another Alec Baldwin, promising to get the fuck out, but without enough honor to keep your word.
Don't be silly - don't you realize that even Labret knows that the US is the best place for him to get an education? Don't forget how he goes on and on ad nauseam about how smart all his professors are, lol! After all, he claims that school is the only reason why he's staying here. Amazing that this horrible, terrible country has the ability to offer up such great educational opportunities that even someone who claims they hate the US is forced to stay here. :P :P

I think I've realized why he's so angry all the time - if his hypocrisy is so obvious on this board, can you just imagine how he must be fighting himself inside his own head over it? :(

[[Labret]]

Slavery was around since day 1 on Earth. Why should the United States be singled out?


Uhm, that is what Carrie and Joe were talking about. Forgive me for staying on topic, bad habit I know.


What makes our slavery any worse than the slavery in Africa or Asia or Europe?


Where did I say it was?


How come you leftist bitches don't whine about the slavery that existed in France?


Again, I could have sworn the topic was American slavery and Carries theory of pre-owned nigger marketing.


Labret, when the fuck are you leaving for good? My guess is that you're just another Alec Baldwin, promising to get the fuck out, but without enough honor to keep your word.


I guess the answer I have given 15 times before has not been sufficient. Sometime after May, probably around September.



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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 06:13 AM

the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.

Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.


You hear that you ungrateful niggers, Carrie says you should be grateful we rescued you from that hell hole called Africa. Never you mind Jim Crow and slavery, just be glad you are not still in your homeland. Slavery was redemption.

Cultural level, stuck at. ahahahahaah there is nothing quite as tasty as a big cup of ethnocentrism in the morning.

So tell me more about this "cultural level" theory. One can actually rank cultures on a scale? And some are better than others?



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[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:24 PM
You hear that you ungrateful niggers, Carrie says you should be grateful we rescued you from that hell hole called Africa. Never you mind Jim Crow and slavery, just be glad you are not still in your homeland. Slavery was redemption.
Actually I have heard thousands of blacks (in person, on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, magazines, etc.) say that they are much better off today than they would have been had their ancestors stayed in Africa. Many of them would actually still be slaves in Africa.

Not everyone is as determined to think only the worst as you are, sweetie. :awinky:

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jan 29 2004, 08:31 AM


I think I've realized why he's so angry all the time - if his hypocrisy is so obvious on this board, can you just imagine how he must be fighting himself inside his own head over it? :(

You silly bitch, I am not an angry person. Ask anyone who has met me, I guess I need to abuse animated gifs more?

Hypocrisy? I dont hate America, I hate Americans. This place would not be so bad if most of you would just... die. My desire to leave does not come from a hatred of this country per se, I just find its inhabitant intolerable and life is far too short not to travel the world. You are happy with getting knocked up and living like a hillbilly, some of us are not content to sit and waste our lives away. I do not want to regret my life like you obviously regret yours. Old white woman who sits on a board with pornographers all day while your children flee from you. I do not envy you, but you made your bed, you lie in it.

See, I am not angry -> :yowsa: :yowsa: :nyanya: :bdance: :okthumb: :stout:



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[[Labret]]

Actually I have heard thousands of blacks (in person, on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, magazines, etc.) say that they are much better off today

ahahahah yeah right.



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[OldJeff]

Labret.....

Simplar question, what fucking planet are you from ?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Jan 29 2004, 04:44 PM
Labret.....

Simplar question, what fucking planet are you from ?
:okthumb:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:40 PM
You silly bitch, I am not an angry person. Ask anyone who has met me, I guess I need to abuse animated gifs more?

Hypocrisy? I dont hate America, I hate Americans. This place would not be so bad if most of you would just... die. My desire to leave does not come from a hatred of this country per se, I just find its inhabitant intolerable and life is far too short not to travel the world. You are happy with getting knocked up and living like a hillbilly, some of us are not content to sit and waste our lives away. I do not want to regret my life like you obviously regret yours. Old white woman who sits on a board with pornographers all day while your children flee from you. I do not envy you, but you made your bed, you lie in it.

See, I am not angry -> :yowsa: :yowsa: :nyanya: :bdance: :okthumb: :stout:
LOL! Nah, you don't sound angry at all! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I still get a kick out of you making things up about posters in an attempt to feel superior and trying to find a vein of truth you think they might get upset over. :P

[[Labret]]

So you are going to try and tell us that your life ended up exactly how you wanted it?

You aimed that low? You wanted to be an uneducated housewife? You are happy with that?

All the educational resources of the wealthiest nation on the planet at your ready, and you said... "nah, I want to be a housewife whos life revolves around making friends on message boards"?

Can I bring you to class one day for show and tell?

[Buff]

Fred Plops For Reparations

Sells Out To Johnny Cochran




I see by the papers in the Yankee Capital that Johnny Cochran, and of course Jesse and Al, are wheezing and blowing like a county-fair calliope with a leaky boiler. They always are. This time it was about the need to pay reparations for the ravages trala of slavery. It got me to thinking.

I hate it when that happens.

Now, I know I’m hard-hearted, and mean-spirited, and no damn good. It’s probably my only virtue. But on consideration, I realized that they might be right. The ravages of slavery do run deep, and cause motingator trouble, with no end in sight. I decided that compensation was only reasonable. Sometimes you don’t like a conclusion, but you have to reach it. All right. I’ll be a man about it.

You can pay me reparations, Johnny.

To start with, I figure you owe me for three bicycles. Maybe it’s a small thing, but I’m tired of losing bicycles. Are we talking market value or replacement? What I really want to be paid for is having to keep my latest two-wheeler in my living room. Do you know how many times I’ve knocked the fool thing over? And, oh, the scratch in my granddad’s antique desk that the brake lever made. What’s that worth?

Call it three grand. OK? Direct deposit would be nice.

But . . . how do we dollarize cultural retrogression? God knows I appreciate your offer of reparations, but I’m having trouble with the arithmetic. Help me.

A few years back, my middle-school daughter brought home a horrendously misspelled science hand-out. Now, Johnny: You and I both know that it’s easy to make a typo, and write “phenylkeetone” instead of “phenylketone.” But “feemelkeebome” is stretching it. The errors were of this sort. An understanding of chemistry clearly had never rippled the serene surface of the woman’s mind.

Without thinking, I asked, “What color is your teacher?” (If I had thought carefully, I would have asked, “What color is your teacher?”) My daughter responded with an anguished, “Da-d-d-d-y!” She had made the connection, but knew she wasn’t supposed to.

I’ve got no problem with black teachers, if they are competent. No problem at all. But a teacher who is too ignorant to spell her subject, and too lazy to use a dictionary, ought to be flipping burgers. Simple burgers, with no moving parts. Thing is, we can’t fire ignorant teachers, Johnny, because of the lingering effects of slavery. I can yell at an ignorant white teacher, but not at a black one. To expect blacks to meet standards is racist. You can send me the price of four years of tuition in a private school outside the country.

What’s the cost of permanent welfare? Subsidized everything? Enormous police departments? What do you figure? Just add it to your tab. Have you thought about setting up an endowment?

But here’s a large ravage of slavery, Johnny: Fear.

What price do we put on looking over our shoulders? On watching to be sure we don’t go one subway stop too far? Warning our girlfriends not to drive on certain streets? Checking the clientele of Seven-Eleven before going in at night?

People in, say, Switzerland can walk their streets after dark. We can’t. Why? What have we got that they don’t, that might cause fear?

Elvis impersonators, Johnny. Yep. Switzerland doesn’t have any Elvis impersonators. Check for yourself.

What’s fear worth? Is it a minimum-wage job? Forty-hour week or twenty-four hours a day? Benefits? Seniority pay as people grow older, weaker, and less able to defend themselves? You see the actuarial difficulty. Accounting is a more difficult trade than you might think.

The white guy beaten to death 100 yards from my door last year – they never caught the killers, but – what you reckon, Johnny? Do you figure it was white Presbyterian women from the old-ladies’ home? That’s my guess. That’s who usually does it. Anyway, you can send me $540 for the Sig 9mm pistol I bought after blacks started moving into the neighborhood and crime went up. And ammo, carry permit, Hydra-Shock rounds.

Now, millions of honest blacks might write and say, “Fred, we aren’t criminals. Why should we pay for what other blacks do?” Splendid question. But of course whites say, “We don’t have any slaves. Why should we pay for what some other whites did?” If it is a reasonable question for blacks to ask, as indeed it is, why isn’t it a reasonable question for whites to ask?

But while you are in a mood to pay up, Johnny, let me introduce a useful concept: Civilizational rent. You’ll like this. It’s such a good idea.

A culture is essentially software. No? Sure, there are physical embodiments: positron-emission scanners, high-bypass turbofans, radar with Doppler beam-sharpening. Yet basically a culture is a body of knowledge, like Microsoft Word. (All right, throw in values. But I don’t want to make this too difficult.)

White guys invented these things at considerable cost. We had to. Europe doesn’t have much low-hanging fruit, and it gets cold in the north. So generations of people that I’m sure you’re familiar with – Newton, Leibniz, Galois, Gauss, Carnot, Dirac – did work that led to all kinds of useful . . . you know . . stuff.

Western civilization, it’s called.

As a result of slavery, you have been using our civilization without a license. (I know: You’re having trouble with the idea of implied retroactive acceptance of a license I invented five minutes ago. Microsoft would grasp it in a heartbeat. Anyway, I’m writing the column.)

Further, you’ve been using it for a long time, Johnny. Air-conditioning. Roads. Writing. The wheel. Complicated stuff like that. Medicine. Tractors. Shoes. Houses. I’ve spent time in Africa, where people live in stick things that look as if a Cub Scout had built a campfire and forgotten to light it. You’re getting a deal here, Johnny.

I don’t wish stick houses on anyone. I’m glad you have the benefits of electricity, clothes, and daytime TV. I’d love to see blacks study, earn degrees on their merits, prosper. Think of the trouble it would save. But – as suggested by your manly desire to pay reparations -- you owe us licensing fees. Granted, it’s hard to set a price on a culture. But if Microsoft Office goes for $250 at fire-sale prices, I guess a whole civilization is cheap at $100K a copy.

I believe we can do business, Johnny. I hope so. I can use the money.

[OldJeff]

I for one am in favor of Slave Reparations 100%

I think people should get a million dollars for every day they were a slave, if they were never a slave they should STFU already.

[[Labret]]

Fred Plops For Reparations

Sells Out To Johnny Cochran


Indeed, reparations are bad.


You do know Fred is an expat right?



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[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 02:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 06:13 AM

the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.

Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.


You hear that you ungrateful niggers, Carrie says you should be grateful we rescued you from that hell hole called Africa. Never you mind Jim Crow and slavery, just be glad you are not still in your homeland. Slavery was redemption.

Cultural level, stuck at. ahahahahaah there is nothing quite as tasty as a big cup of ethnocentrism in the morning.

So tell me more about this "cultural level" theory. One can actually rank cultures on a scale? And some are better than others?[/b][/quote]
Yes, you simple-minded jackass, cultural relativism is goat shit.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...eb685fa98031300 (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=8854&s=31d4bd96642a47493eb685fa98031300)

You should move to Zimbabwe when you expatriate. In fact, I will personally chip in to help you move there.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 03:05 PM

Fred Plops For Reparations

Sells Out To Johnny Cochran


Indeed, reparations are bad.


You do know Fred is an expat right?
Yes, he moved to Mexico -- he was tired of fighting idiotic leftards like you.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:54 PM
So you are going to try and tell us that your life ended up exactly how you wanted it?

You aimed that low? You wanted to be an uneducated housewife? You are happy with that?

All the educational resources of the wealthiest nation on the planet at your ready, and you said... "nah, I want to be a housewife whos life revolves around making friends on message boards"?

Can I bring you to class one day for show and tell?
Hehehe - you try SO hard, but you keep falling short in your attempts to decide what I've done in my life. :P

What I wanted my life to end up like has changed constantly. Here are just a small handful of things I "wanted" through the years:

There was a time I wanted to be a veterinarian. I was 10. Then I almost passed out when they gave my dog a shot (and I still can't watch my pets or my kid get shots....).

I wanted to become a psychologist. I was 17. But then found out I had to take 2 years of English, Math, Biology, etc. and I didn't feel like wasting 2 years of my life learning things I had no intention of ever using again (based on my math skills, I probably should have rethought that. :P )

I wanted to have 4 kids, be a housewife and live in a big house. I was 21. Then I realized how bored I was sitting at home all day with nothing to do but clean, cook and basically babysit.

I wanted to be a big wig in a major corporation. I was 30. Then I realized how many people I was going to have to screw over, how many 70 hour weeks I was going to have to give them and how fast my job (or any job) could be eliminated.

I wanted to work at home and live in a small cabin in the woods and basically spend my time doing whatever I wanted to do. I was 37. In fact, I bought a 4WD when I was living in the suburbs and everyone thought I was nuts - I told them I had every intention of moving where I'd need 4WD.....and I did. :awinky:

So....yep, I'm doing EXACTLY what I want to do at this point in my life. Am I doing what I wanted to do previously? Of course not and thank goodness! Am I doing what I might want to do in 5-10 years? I hope not! I want to keep changing and doing new things. :)

I have no doubt that you're at a point in your education where you have "show and tell" and I'd be more than happy to be yours. Just tell me when and where. :)

[[Labret]]

What was it you said about explanations?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:10 PM

Yes, he moved to Mexico -- he was tired of fighting idiotic leftards like you.

He lost to the lefties?

[Carrie]

Labret I'd love to see you sit down with a certain gentleman named Ken Hamblin and have one of your intellectual discussions. I've met him - hell I even gave him a rose in front of hundreds of people live on national radio.

Also before you leave I'd love for you to have a chat with another certain gentleman named Alan Keyes. Alas, I haven't met Mr. Keyes myself, but I would certainly love to.

Either one of those two men would tell you point blank that yes, blacks are far better off today here in America than they are in Africa.
And yes, both of these men are black.

If the blacks in this country are so hungry for a leader, a role model, or even a "brothah" who can speak up and have their issues heard in seconds and taken seriously - then they need to be looking towards either of these two men, not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 01:17 PM
Labret I'd love to see you sit down with a certain gentleman named Ken Hamblin and have one of your intellectual discussions. I've met him - hell I even gave him a rose in front of hundreds of people live on national radio.

Also before you leave I'd love for you to have a chat with another certain gentleman named Alan Keyes. Alas, I haven't met Mr. Keyes myself, but I would certainly love to.

Either one of those two men would tell you point blank that yes, blacks are far better off today here in America than they are in Africa.
And yes, both of these men are black.

If the blacks in this country are so hungry for a leader, a role model, or even a "brothah" who can speak up and have their issues heard in seconds and taken seriously - then they need to be looking towards either of these two men, not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

Black conservatives (Uncle Toms as most blacks would call them) will not bite the hand that feeds.

Black conservatives ahahahaah thats almost as good as a Jew Klansman.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:16 PM
What was it you said about explanations?
I've said they were funny as heck watching you flounder around trying to make them. :)

You asked a question and I answered it, hehehe. :P Here's a little bit of free education for you - there's a big difference between answering a question and us making a simple comment about you and you spending pages trying to explain how we're wrong. :awinky:

Like I said, you only got a small handful in my answer - which apparently fed you quite well. You're so easy. B)

[Carrie]

What hand is feeding them, Labret?
They're both educated, successful men. The only hand feeding them is their own.
Your logic works when applied to poor ghetto blacks living on welfare who actually have a hand that feeds them... but sorry, these two men don't fit *your* stereotypes.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 03:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 01:17 PM
Labret I'd love to see you sit down with a certain gentleman named Ken Hamblin and have one of your intellectual discussions. I've met him - hell I even gave him a rose in front of hundreds of people live on national radio.

Also before you leave I'd love for you to have a chat with another certain gentleman named Alan Keyes. Alas, I haven't met Mr. Keyes myself, but I would certainly love to.

Either one of those two men would tell you point blank that yes, blacks are far better off today here in America than they are in Africa.
And yes, both of these men are black.

If the blacks in this country are so hungry for a leader, a role model, or even a "brothah" who can speak up and have their issues heard in seconds and taken seriously - then they need to be looking towards either of these two men, not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

Black conservatives (Uncle Toms as most blacks would call them) will not bite the hand that feeds.

Black conservatives ahahahaah thats almost as good as a Jew Klansman.[/b][/quote]
As opposed to black liberals, who do bite the hand that feeds them (the Democrats)??? Blacks vote in a giant 90+% block for Democrats.

Face it, intelligent blacks like professors Williams and Keyes know life is better in the United States than Africa.

And then there is Thomas Sowell, who would crush you so heavily in a debate about cultural relativity that if you had any shame you'd off yourself. Your insignificant bablings are nothing next to the wisdom of Sowell.

And then there is D'Souza (he's black too) -- http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1639: D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Immigrants "are walking refutations of cultural relativism," D'Souza says, because "they are voting with their feet in favor of the new culture" represented by America and the West. There is "a one-way movement from tribal, agrarian cultures toward modern, industrialized, American-style cultures." Why, he asks "would immigrants voluntarily uproot themselves and relocate to another society unless they were deeply convinced that, on balance, the new culture was better than the old culture?"

According to D'Souza, "the free society is not simply richer, more varied, and more fun: it is also morally superior." Millions of Americans "who live decent praiseworthy lives deserve our highest admiration because they have opted for the good when the good is not the only available option."

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."

[[Labret]]

As opposed to black liberals, who do bite the hand that feeds them (the Democrats)??? Blacks vote in a giant 90+% block for Democrats.

Face it, intelligent blacks like professors Williams and Keyes know life is better in the United States than Africa.


So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?

You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?


And then there is Thomas Sowell, who would crush you so heavily in a debate about cultural relativity that if you had any shame you'd off yourself. Your insignificant bablings are nothing next to the wisdom of Sowell.


Like you can understand either of them. You have been reduced to spending an hour Googling in order to quote someone else. Impressive.

Really.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 01:47 PM

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 04:41 PM
D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Immigrants "are walking refutations of cultural relativism," D'Souza says, because "they are voting with their feet in favor of the new culture" represented by America and the West. There is "a one-way movement from tribal, agrarian cultures toward modern, industrialized, American-style cultures." Why, he asks "would immigrants voluntarily uproot themselves and relocate to another society unless they were deeply convinced that, on balance, the new culture was better than the old culture?"

According to D'Souza, "the free society is not simply richer, more varied, and more fun: it is also morally superior." Millions of Americans "who live decent praiseworthy lives deserve our highest admiration because they have opted for the good when the good is not the only available option."

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
Huzzah! *salute*

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:46 PM

As opposed to black liberals, who do bite the hand that feeds them (the Democrats)??? Blacks vote in a giant 90+% block for Democrats.

Face it, intelligent blacks like professors Williams and Keyes know life is better in the United States than Africa.


So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?

You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?


And then there is Thomas Sowell, who would crush you so heavily in a debate about cultural relativity that if you had any shame you'd off yourself. Your insignificant bablings are nothing next to the wisdom of Sowell.


Like you can understand either of them. You have been reduced to spending an hour Googling in order to quote someone else. Impressive.

Really.
One small step for man, one giant leap to conclusion for Labret.

[[Labret]]

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."


If you are white.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 01:52 PM

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 03:46 PM
So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?

You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?

Of course not. Many in that 90% are opportunists -- selling out to the Democrats for a free ride.

Of course, to answer your question directly:

If blacks and whites are equal, why is there "affirmative action" at all?

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 03:51 PM

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."


If you are white.
"you're" -- nevermind you edited it.

So why aren't blacks fleeing the US to live the good life in Africa?

I am still trying to figure out if you're stoned or just stupid.



Last edited by Buff at Jan 29 2004, 03:55 PM

[aeon]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:41 PM
D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Immigrants "are walking refutations of cultural relativism," D'Souza says, because "they are voting with their feet in favor of the new culture" represented by America and the West. There is "a one-way movement from tribal, agrarian cultures toward modern, industrialized, American-style cultures." Why, he asks "would immigrants voluntarily uproot themselves and relocate to another society unless they were deeply convinced that, on balance, the new culture was better than the old culture?"

According to D'Souza, "the free society is not simply richer, more varied, and more fun: it is also morally superior." Millions of Americans "who live decent praiseworthy lives deserve our highest admiration because they have opted for the good when the good is not the only available option."

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
uhhh - because their starving to death where they live?

skippy needs to understand what cultural relativism is...

Cultural relativism holds that "good" means what is "socially approved" by the majority in a given culture. Infanticide, for example, isn't good or bad objectively; rather it's good in a society that approves of it, but bad in one that disapproves of it.

the simple definition...

Even google got it right... (http://www.jcu.edu/philosophy/gensler/et/et-01-00.htm)

disagreeing with the moral ethos of a culture and leaving it is not a refutation of cultural relativism - in anyway conceivable.

Ethics for Dummies...

best of luck -
aeon

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:51 PM

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."


If you are white.
Be sure and tell that to the Latinos, Indians and Asians who are flocking here in droves and remember to also tell the "African Americans" who aren't going back to Africa. They seem to be confused and want to live here. :P

[Buff]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 29 2004, 03:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 29 2004, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:41 PM
D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Immigrants "are walking refutations of cultural relativism," D'Souza says, because "they are voting with their feet in favor of the new culture" represented by America and the West. There is "a one-way movement from tribal, agrarian cultures toward modern, industrialized, American-style cultures." Why, he asks "would immigrants voluntarily uproot themselves and relocate to another society unless they were deeply convinced that, on balance, the new culture was better than the old culture?"

According to D'Souza, "the free society is not simply richer, more varied, and more fun: it is also morally superior." Millions of Americans "who live decent praiseworthy lives deserve our highest admiration because they have opted for the good when the good is not the only available option."

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
uhhh - because their starving to death where they live?

skippy needs to understand what cultural relativism is...

Cultural relativism holds that "good" means what is "socially approved" by the majority in a given culture. Infanticide, for example, isn't good or bad objectively; rather it's good in a society that approves of it, but bad in one that disapproves of it.

the simple definition...

Even google got it right... (http://www.jcu.edu/philosophy/gensler/et/et-01-00.htm)

disagreeing with the moral ethos of a culture and leaving it is not a refutation of cultural relativism - in anyway conceivable.

Ethics for Dummies...

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Try this paragraph again:

D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:53 PM

"you're"

So why aren't blacks fleeing the US to live the good life in Africa?



European colonialism destroyed Africa. What exactly is there to flee to? They got fucked in Africa, they got fucked in the United States. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jan 29 2004, 03:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jan 29 2004, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:51 PM

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."


If you are white.
Be sure and tell that to the Latinos, Indians and Asians who are flocking here in droves and remember to also tell the "African Americans" who aren't going back to Africa. They seem to be confused and want to live here. :P[/b][/quote]
Peaches, I am sure Lebron James and Michael Jordan have estates in Zimbabwe!

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 03:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:53 PM

"you're"

So why aren't blacks fleeing the US to live the good life in Africa?



European colonialism destroyed Africa. What exactly is there to flee to? They got fucked in Africa, they got fucked in the United States. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.[/b][/quote]
Really? How did Europeans colonize Africa if Africa was already a superior culture?

How stupid are you on a scale of 1-10, 1 being Einstein, 5 being a rock, and 10 being your parents for breeding?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:59 PM
Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.

[aeon]

Cultural relativism and multi-culturalism are two different issues - and I read the paragraph - thorougly - his assertion that immigration in any way invalidates the ethical position of cultural relativism is patently absurd. He would be laughed out of any APA/RPA meeting immediately.

Cultural relativism is an incredibly weak ethical position but his means of "refutation" are foolish & amateur at best.

best of luck -
aeon

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 04:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:59 PM
Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.[/b][/quote]
He's talking about things like mass starvation if there's a drought (Africa) vs paying farmers not to grow certain crops to prop up the prices, because we have such a superabundance of food (The United States).

Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture, and if it weren't for having flies buzzing around their genitalia during intercourse, some of their best cuneiform literature would never have been drawn in the mud with a stick?

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

[[Labret]]

Really? How did Europeans colonize Africa if Africa was already a superior culture?


Who the fuck said it was superior? Not superior, different. It worked for them for a couple hundred thousand years. Yeah, those god damn hunter gatherers really stood a chance. Their culture did not need to develop along the same lines as the Europeans, the Chinese, the Native Americans, etc etc. Everyone evolves to fill their niche.

For example, you fill the fat ignorant prostitute fucker niche quite well.



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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 02:13 PM

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 05:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 01:59 PM
Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.[/b][/quote]
That's funny, I didn't see him mention anything about SUVs.
I also didn't see him talk about anything relative, but rather the widely accepted basics of living.

I'm sure that you, Labret, would rather see all blacks still living in these types of conditions:
http://www.abc.net.au/message/blackarts/telegraph/img/hut.jpg
It probably fits in perfectly with your "I am superior" attitude.
Quite frankly, I doubt there are any blacks in America who would rather live in a bug-infested, windy hut in the middle of the mud.
Amazingly enough that there IS mud, even... at least that means there's water.

[Buff]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 29 2004, 04:07 PM
Cultural relativism and multi-culturalism are two different issues - and I read the paragraph - thorougly - his assertion that immigration in any way invalidates the ethical position of cultural relativism is patently absurd. He would be laughed out of any APA/RPA meeting immediately.

Cultural relativism is an incredibly weak ethical position but his means of "refutation" are foolish & amateur at best.

best of luck -
aeon
Immigration is not a barometer of cultural superiority?

Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?[/b][/quote]
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:11 PM

Really? How did Europeans colonize Africa if Africa was already a superior culture?


Who the fuck said it was superior? Not superior, different. It worked for them for a couple hundred thousand years. Yeah, those god damn hunter gatherers really stood a chance. Their culture did not need to develop along the same lines as the Europeans, the Chinese, the Native Americans, etc etc. Everyone evolves to fill their niche.

For example, you fill the fat ignorant prostitute fucker niche quite well.
Look at all the human beings flocking back to live the hunter/gatherer lifestyle!

The half-wit brainwashed diptshit uneducated leftard niche is already overflowing, but for some reason you're staying in it.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 02:15 PM

That's funny, I didn't see him mention anything about SUVs.
I also didn't see him talk about anything relative, but rather the widely accepted basics of living.

I'm sure that you, Labret, would rather see all blacks still living in these types of conditions:
http://www.abc.net.au/message/blackarts/telegraph/img/hut.jpg
It probably fits in perfectly with your "I am superior" attitude.
Quite frankly, I doubt there are any blacks in America who would rather live in a bug-infested, windy hut in the middle of the mud.
Amazingly enough that there IS mud, even... at least that means there's water.

You do realize that Africa is a large continent and has environments ranging from desert to jungle right?

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 04:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?[/b][/quote]
Mass starvation is cultural. Seems to occur in Africa a lot, but not in the US. One would think that maybe it's simply geographically, until one looks at Zimbabwe. Mugabe throws out the white farmers and the people start starving to death again.

Please move there!

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.[/b][/quote]

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?



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[Peaches]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 06:19 PM
until one looks at Zimbabwe. Mugabe throws out the white farmers and the people start starving to death again.

Please move there!
Very interesting article in NG a few months ago regarding this. Seems almost all the farms have gone to seed after they were taken from the whites and given to the blacks and the blacks are trying to hire to the whites to come back and work for them and get the farms to produce again. It wasn't the blacks fault - they had ZERO experience in farming land. Sad. :(

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 04:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?[/b][/quote]
So we can say that the Native American culture was inferior, because Native Americans were incapable of adaptation.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Buff+Jan 29 2004, 02:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Jan 29 2004, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?
So we can say that the Native American culture was inferior, because Native Americans were incapable of adaptation.

Thanks for proving my point.[/b][/quote]
I wonder how the average fat American fuck would do at hunting and gathering.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 29 2004, 04:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 29 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?
So we can say that the Native American culture was inferior, because Native Americans were incapable of adaptation.

Thanks for proving my point.
I wonder how the average fat American fuck would do at hunting and gathering.[/b][/quote]
Americans adapt. Also, our culture is such that we don't have to be hunter/getherers. That's an example of the idiocy of cultural relativism.

[[Labret]]

It is such a horrific idea that we have game shows that revolve around it, Survivor. Where we all take joy in watching the average American reduced to a starving babbling idiot. And that is with giving them tools and food rewards.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:43 PM

Americans adapt. Also, our culture is such that we don't have to be hunter/getherers. That's an example of the idiocy of cultural relativism.


Explain how its an example.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:43 PM
It is such a horrific idea that we have game shows that revolve around it, Survivor. Where we all take joy in watching the average American reduced to a starving babbling idiot. And that is with giving them tools and food rewards.
The people on those shows are not "average Americans." The people on those shows are jackasses competing for cash prizes.

The average American lives in the bask of his superior culture which ensures him protection against starvation (like in Africa) or poverty (like in Asia, Africa, and most of Europe).

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 04:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:43 PM

Americans adapt. Also, our culture is such that we don't have to be hunter/getherers. That's an example of the idiocy of cultural relativism.


Explain how its an example.[/b][/quote]
Americans don't starve to death. Our culture is superior.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Buff+Jan 29 2004, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Jan 29 2004, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by -Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?
So we can say that the Native American culture was inferior, because Native Americans were incapable of adaptation.

Thanks for proving my point.
I wonder how the average fat American fuck would do at hunting and gathering.
Americans adapt. Also, our culture is such that we don't have to be hunter/getherers. That's an example of the idiocy of cultural relativism.[/b][/quote]
Where would the average sedentary American be without supermarkets, fast food outlets and 7-11's?

They'd be eating each other and their own feces that's where.

Adaptable? LMFAO! Do you mean that this week they buy Nike and next week they buy The Gap?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 06:40 PM
I wonder how the average fat American fuck would do at hunting and gathering.
I know for a fact that Wig and my kid would do great. :P

[aeon]

Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:15 PM
Immigration is not a barometer of cultural superiority?

Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?
I will do this slowly...so you can possibly understand it. This person asserts that cultural relativism is flawed on the basis of immigration to the US and as a result of that immigration, the US is morally superior.

Cultural relativism cannot be refuted by the immigration patterns of relatively few individuals - it simply asserts, that which the majority of any given society, at any given time, determine be right or wrong is based solely on the majority of that society's determination. Nothing else.

There is no way to refute this position based on immigration, unless this individual is privy to enough data to demonstrate at least in someway, the majority of individuals in any given society disagree with the moral mandates of that society and seek to emmigrate to the US based on that factor, his position is absolutely flawed. Even then, his position would not hold. He is using an idiotic anecdotal inference to justify a universal position; namely the US is morally superior...his premise is beyond justification or even salvaging...therefor, the conclusion does not follow.

People move to australia, GB, mexico, canada, taiwan, thailand, eastern europe, etc., their motivations are not all similart, just as those who move to the US - there is no tandem to be found - the position is for the cognitively flawed to swallow.

read it slooooowly.

best of luck -
aeon

[[Labret]]

Well done, thats gonna leave a welt.

[PornoDoggy]

So let me see if I got this straight.

American culture is superior.

The idea that blacks are equal to whites is disproven by the existance of equal opportunity/affirmative action programs.

In other words, having been denied the opportunity to participate fully in the superior culture, their failure to catch up in 30 years or so somehow proves that they are not equal?

Caller ID light is lit ... I recognize THAT number.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 05:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:10 PM


Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?

All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?
Mass death and disease is part of colonization?

I think you answered Buff's question quite nicely right there. You ARE an idiot.

Yes you ignorant fuck.

Lets use an example that hits a little closer to home.

The Native Americans were largerly hunter gatherers. When they were forced into sedentary lifestyles (farmers) on land they were not native to, they had no idea what the fuck was going on. As a result there was a lot of starvation and disease. It became a matter of conform or die. And in the process a vast majority of them did. They still have not recovered in a lot of areas.

See the connection yet dumbfuck?[/b][/quote]
Oooh, more name-calling. Can I play along?

Okay, you intellectually abhorrent waste of skin, try this on for size.
Compare the number of native americans that died in your example to the number of Africans (after all, we ARE talking about Africa here, even though I can't fault you for attempting to change the subject since you have such a short memory and an embarrassingly low level of reading comprehension) who have died.. and are STILL dying... in the wastelands of Africa.
Today the Native Americans have access to doctors and dentists, pasteurized milk, immunizations, and these really cool things called refrigerators that keep your food from spoiling.
The Africans that we're talking about? They're still living in the mud picking flies out of their eyes, maggots out of their spoiled food, attempting to chew on dirty roots with the two good teeth they have left because there's no water to wash the root, and their childrens' bellies are hyperextended to such a point they look 9 months pregnant because of the malnutrition.

Try again, asswipe.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 29 2004, 06:19 PM
So let me see if I got this straight.

American culture is superior.

The idea that blacks are equal to whites is disproven by the existance of equal opportunity/affirmative action programs.

In other words, having been denied the opportunity to participate fully in the superior culture, their failure to catch up in 30 years or so somehow proves that they are not equal?

Caller ID light is lit ... I recognize THAT number.
30 years?
PD, even your art of exagerration to make a point is really being stretched here.
Slavery was ended in 1865.
That's when their freedom and opportunities began.

If you want to drag this down to a level of voting and such, I guess you should throw women into the mix... oh wait, on average women have taken the opportunities allowed them and gone racing ahead full speed... that just won't do to fit the scenario.

[[Labret]]

Compare the number of native americans that died in your example to the number of Africans (after all, we ARE talking about Africa here, even though I can't fault you for attempting to change the subject since you have such a short memory and an embarrassingly low level of reading comprehension) who have died.. and are STILL dying... in the wastelands of Africa.




Dumbass, try and follow this time. There is no difference between what happened to the Native Americans and what happened to certain areas of Africa. You at least see how starvation and disease accompanies the forced integration of indigenous peoples into foreign subsistence patterns, in this case the Natives... yet you cannot see how it happened in Africa? I know you like to generalize Africa as one giant Ethiopia, but about the only thing African indigenous populations shared is that they are all "black". Try to imagine it like a larger Europe, all a bunch of crackers but all speaking different languages and having different cultural customs. I am getting off track.

The only difference between what happened to the Native Americans and the African countries you are talking about is that the Native Americans have not been able to run off the white man. Whereas many of these small African nations have managed to do just that. So you are left with a bunch of uprooted uneducated indigenous fucksticks that kicked out the infrastructure of their country, trying to run a semi-modern nation state? When a couple hundred years ago they were all hunter gatherers? Its like Detroit. The jigs kicked 98% of the white people in Detroit out after the riots in the 60s, with it left the infrastructure and wealth of the entire city, and now we are left with Detroit. Largely a massive ghetto full of poverty and crime. Buff will say that is proof that niggers are an inferior culture, but I say it is only proof of our failure. Had we indoctrinated them better, we wouldn't have had the problems we have with cities like Detroit and issues with affirmative action or any othe race issue you choose to discuss for that matter. Fuck, I am making it too complicated for you.

Gonna just boil it down.

Whitey created nation states in Africa, whitey left, incompetant hordes take control and try to run something they are completely unprepared to. So yeah, they are gonna have problems. And whether you like to believe it or not, not every country in Africa is a bunch of fly picking aids ridden infomercials.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 04:25 PM

[[Labret]]

Slavery was ended in 1865.
That's when their freedom and opportunities began


Are you out of your fucking mind.

You ever heard of Jim Crow? Yeah, it was great to be black and in Alabama between 1865 and 1960s.

http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/home.htm

Segregated schools, water fountains, and shit like that ring a bell?



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 04:08 PM

[Winetalk.com]

Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge![/b][/quote]
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?

I might feel lonely so far away from home
;-)))

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?

[/b][/quote]
Only if you suck mine first.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 29 2004, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 29 2004, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.[/b][/quote]
It's on the internet - now you have to follow through! Be warned, Serge has VERY sharp teeth and tends to have a problem with lockjaw. But hey, you were smart enough to get yours first..... :P

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 29 2004, 04:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 29 2004, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.[/b][/quote]

AaronM told me that all you have to do is give him a box of cheap wine and he will be anyones bitch, errr... I mean "private dancer".

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 05:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.

AaronM told me that all you have to do is give him a box of cheap wine and he will be anyones bitch, errr... I mean "private dancer".[/b][/quote]
How about we get Surge and Fred together?

Now that it something I'd pay to see.

Chain Surge up and give Fred six boxes of mushrooms and a weeks supply of viagra.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 29 2004, 05:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 29 2004, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.

AaronM told me that all you have to do is give him a box of cheap wine and he will be anyones bitch, errr... I mean "private dancer".
How about we get Surge and Fred together?

Now that it something I'd pay to see.

Chain Surge up and give Fred six boxes of mushrooms and a weeks supply of viagra.[/b][/quote]

At first I laughed really hard, and then I realized that image is gonna be burned into my mind forever.

Also, on the subject of Fred, check your pm for those people for him to contact.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Jan 29 2004, 07:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Jan 29 2004, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.[/b][/quote]
ok, but I am a biter...I'll go first,
shoulkd improve your voice drastically

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jan 29 2004, 08:02 PM

It's on the internet - now you have to follow through! Be warned, Serge has VERY sharp teeth and tends to have a problem with lockjaw. But hey, you were smart enough to get yours first..... :P
Peaches, you just confirmed what I posted above!
;-)))

I'll suck his nuts gladly
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 08:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.

AaronM told me that all you have to do is give him a box of cheap wine and he will be anyones bitch, errr... I mean "private dancer".[/b][/quote]
you I'll fist....if you promise not to like it

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 08:07 PM

How about we get Surge and Fred together?

Now that it something I'd pay to see.

Chain Surge up and give Fred six boxes of mushrooms and a weeks supply of viagra.
freds, shmeds....I just mentioned my cock and you quazi itellectual drug addicts got all excited...
wanna sniff my ass too?

[Vick]

Quit fucking with Darwinism damn it
The strongest survive and the winners write the history books

The human race is flawed no matter how you want to dissect it

I'm rooting for Planet Earth (though it doesn't need my support)

How soon to Yellowstone erupts?

ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Piss away all you want, rant and rave

In the end the ground settles all


Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust
(and Juliette Lewis and Selma Hayek in Dusk to Dawn)

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 29 2004, 03:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 29 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Jan 29 2004, 02:15 PM
Immigration is not a barometer of cultural superiority?

Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?
I will do this slowly...so you can possibly understand it. This person asserts that cultural relativism is flawed on the basis of immigration to the US and as a result of that immigration, the US is morally superior.

Cultural relativism cannot be refuted by the immigration patterns of relatively few individuals - it simply asserts, that which the majority of any given society, at any given time, determine be right or wrong is based solely on the majority of that society's determination. Nothing else.

There is no way to refute this position based on immigration, unless this individual is privy to enough data to demonstrate at least in someway, the majority of individuals in any given society disagree with the moral mandates of that society and seek to emmigrate to the US based on that factor, his position is absolutely flawed. Even then, his position would not hold. He is using an idiotic anecdotal inference to justify a universal position; namely the US is morally superior...his premise is beyond justification or even salvaging...therefor, the conclusion does not follow.

People move to australia, GB, mexico, canada, taiwan, thailand, eastern europe, etc., their motivations are not all similart, just as those who move to the US - there is no tandem to be found - the position is for the cognitively flawed to swallow.

read it slooooowly.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]

Remember when you said you had a problem getting your pisses to go multiple pages?

This is why.

Dont bring out the big guns so fast, dumb it down, bring them in close, dance with them awhile, get them all happy and worked up, then... then crush them.



Last edited by [Labret] at Jan 29 2004, 05:24 PM

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 05:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Jan 29 2004, 07:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 04:32 PM
Good job, Labret and Joe,
keep impressions coming!

you guys rock!
Anything for you Surge!
I'll be in Brissie in October...will you suck my cock?


Only if you suck mine first.

AaronM told me that all you have to do is give him a box of cheap wine and he will be anyones bitch, errr... I mean "private dancer".
How about we get Surge and Fred together?

Now that it something I'd pay to see.

Chain Surge up and give Fred six boxes of mushrooms and a weeks supply of viagra.

At first I laughed really hard, and then I realized that image is gonna be burned into my mind forever.

Also, on the subject of Fred, check your pm for those people for him to contact.[/b][/quote]
Thanks man. Will pass the info on to Fred.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 09:24 PM
Dont bring out the big guns so fast, dumb it down, bring them in close, dance with them awhile, get them all happy and worked up, then... then crush them.
Will you let us know when you decide to "crush" us? You've been here almost 5 months and, well, we're growing a bit impatient. Since you'd been banned from GFY, I really expected you'd be a better equipped adversary. :(

Then again, there's that pearl from Ulfie regarding being banned from GFY so maybe I set my expectations too high!

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 29 2004, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 29 2004, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Jan 29 2004, 06:19 PM
So let me see if I got this straight.

American culture is superior.

The idea that blacks are equal to whites is disproven by the existance of equal opportunity/affirmative action programs.

In other words, having been denied the opportunity to participate fully in the superior culture, their failure to catch up in 30 years or so somehow proves that they are not equal?

Caller ID light is lit ... I recognize THAT number.
30 years?
PD, even your art of exagerration to make a point is really being stretched here.
Slavery was ended in 1865.
That's when their freedom and opportunities began.

If you want to drag this down to a level of voting and such, I guess you should throw women into the mix... oh wait, on average women have taken the opportunities allowed them and gone racing ahead full speed... that just won't do to fit the scenario.[/b][/quote]
If you believe that opportunities for black people began in 1865, after the elimination of legal slavery, then you and I simply cannot talk about this subject. Your ability to ignore - or whitewash - history makes it impossible. What you call my exaggerations are what I call your willful disregard of the facts, and there is simply no basis for communication.

[[Labret]]

that paragraph would be way funnier if you added at the end, "you ignorant hillbilly bitch".

[Winetalk.com]

Labret, are you a homosexual and why?

[[Labret]]

you like mp3s Serge?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jan 29 2004, 05:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jan 29 2004, 05:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 09:24 PM
Dont bring out the big guns so fast, dumb it down, bring them in close, dance with them awhile, get them all happy and worked up, then... then crush them.
Will you let us know when you decide to "crush" us? You've been here almost 5 months and, well, we're growing a bit impatient. Since you'd been banned from GFY, I really expected you'd be a better equipped adversary. :(

Then again, there's that pearl from Ulfie regarding being banned from GFY so maybe I set my expectations too high![/b][/quote]

I worked on GFY for years, prior to that I was a veteran of the bloody usenet wars of the mid 90s, I have nothing but time for you. 5 months? Pushaw, this is still foreplay granny.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 09:30 PM
you like mp3s Serge?
I like travel, red wine, sex,
all prefferably at the same time

BTW,
you cashed my $2500 check and you don't make the promissed 100 posts a day....

I want my money back!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 09:36 PM
this is still foreplay granny.
granny...making me horny won't relieve you of your obligations...
where are my 100 posts a day, bitch?

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jan 29 2004, 09:37 PM
red wine, sex,
all prefferably at the same time

You know I've found um .... Pussy and Red Wine go very well together


Please pardon my vulgarity


and that's all I got to say about that

[gonzo]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 29 2004, 08:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 29 2004, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -aeon@Jan 29 2004, 03:08 PM
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Immigration is not a barometer of cultural superiority?

Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?
I will do this slowly...so you can possibly understand it. This person asserts that cultural relativism is flawed on the basis of immigration to the US and as a result of that immigration, the US is morally superior.

Cultural relativism cannot be refuted by the immigration patterns of relatively few individuals - it simply asserts, that which the majority of any given society, at any given time, determine be right or wrong is based solely on the majority of that society's determination. Nothing else.

There is no way to refute this position based on immigration, unless this individual is privy to enough data to demonstrate at least in someway, the majority of individuals in any given society disagree with the moral mandates of that society and seek to emmigrate to the US based on that factor, his position is absolutely flawed. Even then, his position would not hold. He is using an idiotic anecdotal inference to justify a universal position; namely the US is morally superior...his premise is beyond justification or even salvaging...therefor, the conclusion does not follow.

People move to australia, GB, mexico, canada, taiwan, thailand, eastern europe, etc., their motivations are not all similart, just as those who move to the US - there is no tandem to be found - the position is for the cognitively flawed to swallow.

read it slooooowly.

best of luck -
aeon

Remember when you said you had a problem getting your pisses to go multiple pages?

This is why.

Dont bring out the big guns so fast, dumb it down, bring them in close, dance with them awhile, get them all happy and worked up, then... then crush them.[/b][/quote]
My guess is theres arelady another classic 14 pager brewing

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Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 30 2004, 12:17 AM

My guess is theres arelady another classic 14 pager brewing
I doubt it...the fucker took my money and ran away with them to the nearest drug dealer
;-(

[Carrie]

Badabing.

What was that you said about "crushing", Peaches? :awinky: