CCBill Exposes Shavers System-Wide

[Carrie]

:okthumb: :okthumb:
Since no one else has mentioned it, I will...
The CCBill affiliate interface now shows you EXACT details for every program you're promoting... including when the sponsor has chosen to turn your rebills off!!

A number of sponsors have already been caught red-handed, check GFY for the drama. Perfection Girls' Jeff is being laid open. First he accused Mutt of photoshopping things and said all of his affiliates would step up and support him... none of them did. They all logged in to check and found the same thing, all rebills stop after 1. They're NOT happy.
Now he's blaming CCBill. He posted a phone number to CCBill so people could call and verify that it was their system screwing up; it wasn't CCBill's phone number that he was posting. Someone *did* call CCBill and ask, according to what they were told there is nothing wrong with things on CCBill's end and it's showing what he's got it set at. (payout 1 rebill only)
This will be interesting.

All the sponsors are in Vegas and either haven't gotten notice that their shaving has been laid open or they're not able to rush in and change things.

I checked my CCBill sponsors, out of 15 only one of them is paying a lower percentage than what they advertise on their webmaster page and none of them are limiting rebills (except for those that tell you straight out that they will).

Way to go CCBill !!!!!!!! :gbounce:

[chodadog]

I think it's great that the information is now available. I find it very disturbing that it hasn't been for god knows how long, though. The current list of sponsors that were ending rebills prematurely, without any varied payout structure or bonsues, is at 13.

Everyone knew this feature was going to be available to affiliates, and i think it would be silly to assume that more than a few sponsors didn't change this before the change came into effect.

So instead of kudos, i'd like to say; about bloody time.

[Forest]

too bad many of the BIG shavers dont use ccbill to process

[Hooper]

it's good imho that revshare programs are being exposed as crooks. why? because for years they have waved the big bullshit white flag of "revshare programs dont shave, so sent your traffic somewhere where you're a partner".

this is not the only way they can/do/will shave you.

be wise. take your money as a lump sum. up front.

jmho, but it definitely doesnt hurt to ask yourself what the big money makers buy into... and it's unlikely that you'll see anybody with serious traffic doing revshare. why? cause they know they're gonna make more on pps :)

industry.. meet consolidation.. consolidation... meet industry :D

[Winetalk.com]

Hooper,
you are right on the money!
:okthumb:

[wig]

I must be misunderstanding something here...

Is it that CCBill designed their affiliate software so sponsors could chose to not show rebills all the while the consumer was still being rebilled?

....and only now has opened that up for affiliates to view?

Why would they create that utility in the first place?

Are there actually rev share programs that disclose in their terms that affiliates will only get paid for "x" number of rebills?

[Torone]

Originally posted by chodadog@Jan 7 2004, 05:01 AM
I think it's great that the information is now available. I find it very disturbing that it hasn't been for god knows how long, though. The current list of sponsors that were ending rebills prematurely, without any varied payout structure or bonsues, is at 13.

Everyone knew this feature was going to be available to affiliates, and i think it would be silly to assume that more than a few sponsors didn't change this before the change came into effect.

So instead of kudos, i'd like to say; about bloody time.
Is there a list?

I was recently denied access to my stats by a sponsor for about 2 weeks...When my access was reinstated, I discovered that they must have accidently turned off the shave, also. For that period of time, my CTR was many times higher than it had ever been with that sponsor. I figure from the numbers that that sponsor is registering only about 5% of the traffic I send to them. :angry:



Last edited by Torone at Jan 7 2004, 07:58 AM

[Torone]

A partial list of CCBill Sponsors that fuck you:
PerfectionCash
Sweet18girls
Rodney Bucks
Bukkake Cash
Fetish Frenzy
Flaming Funds
Sexy Fighters
Brothers In Cash
KimHollandCash
LotzaDollars
Kirsten's Room
Black Amateurs
XXX Cash
Kirstens-Room
courtesy of jesus over at gfy...

Any of these look familiar?

[Vick]

I know this situation first hand so

CCbill has offered the option to stop paying on rebills after which ever rebill the program owner chose, they reasons for this are debatable including having a 100% payout for the join and first rebill, shaving and so on

As for PPS vs. revshare programs - Don't believe everything or anything you hear or read here, it's not necessarily true you earn the most with money up front on a PPS program

PPS programs face many challenges including making a profit paying $30-$45 on a $2.99 trial, how to control various frauds, how to stay under chargeback % and so on

The fact is make the most $ you can, safely and quickly as you can

Let's forget all the candywrapping and boasting this is better than that

Compare apples to apples by analyzing earning per click

It the beginning of a new year so if you're sending traffic/joins to various programs check your numbers for last year
- the MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER is AMOUNT PER CLICK EARNED!!!

Smart business people have many eggs in many baskets, sending traffic to programs is like investing, have a diversified portfolio

and having Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com as part of that portfolio is a smart move - ask myself or any of Cloud 9 Cash's affiliates


Obviously Cloud 9 Cash pays for rebills for the life of the surfer and converts and retains extremely well

[Vick]

p.s. I think it's great CCBill has allowed this info to come out

[Naughty]

Yup, great feature.

[Vick]

p.p.s. - just ran the numbers again for calendar year 2003 for Cloud 9 Cash affiliates

Overall programs earnings were .04 per click and converted at 1 in 402

Look at what you're earning and if it's not .04 (or better) per click and you have decent traffic I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to join Cloud 9 Cash

[Carrie]

Originally posted by wig@Jan 7 2004, 07:38 AM
Are there actually rev share programs that disclose in their terms that affiliates will only get paid for "x" number of rebills?
Yeppers.
Strip Kittens (desktop 3d strippers, really REALLY cool) pays on trial and one rebill.
Pocket-XXX pays on signup and first rebill.

[aeon]

Originally posted by aeon@Sep 22 2003, 02:56 PM
PPS...whether free trial/paid trial/full membership seems to be the best - get yers in hand while you can and wait to see who's standing after the axes drop.

:bwave:

best of luck -
aeon

[sarettah]

I see absolutely no need for a feature like this...

as we all know..

SPONSORS DON'T SHAVE !!!!!



















:yowsa:

[wig]

Vick / Carrie,

Thanks for your answers!

I don't send traffic to anyone, but I was just curious.

No merchants has ever asked us to incorporate that into our system, but then again, we normally send our merchants raw data and they display it in their own affiliate system.

[Torone]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jan 7 2004, 09:33 AM
I see absolutely no need for a feature like this...

as we all know..

SPONSORS DON'T SHAVE !!!!!



















:yowsa:
I got some oceanfront property in Arizona... :D

[cherrylula]

Strip kittens/kitten cash says earn 30% of EVERY SALE, not just one rebill.

Glad I didn't send them more than a few clicks anyhow.

I hope the bigger shavers out there are sweating right now. I'd love to see some of these scam artists get into trouble over this illegal activity ripping off affiliates.

[Nickatilynx]

I don't think this is something CC Bill has done out of the kindness of there hearts.

I think they messed up.

[WEBAIR]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jan 7 2004, 07:50 AM
it's good imho that revshare programs are being exposed as crooks. why? because for years they have waved the big bullshit white flag of "revshare programs dont shave, so sent your traffic somewhere where you're a partner".

this is not the only way they can/do/will shave you.

be wise. take your money as a lump sum. up front.

jmho, but it definitely doesnt hurt to ask yourself what the big money makers buy into... and it's unlikely that you'll see anybody with serious traffic doing revshare. why? cause they know they're gonna make more on pps :)

industry.. meet consolidation.. consolidation... meet industry :D
well said hoop, agreed lump sum is the way to go...

perhaps other processors should follow suit in regards to showing this info as well??

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Vick@Jan 7 2004, 09:04 AM
I know this situation first hand so

CCbill has offered the option to stop paying on rebills after which ever rebill the program owner chose, they reasons for this are debatable including having a 100% payout for the join and first rebill, shaving and so on

As for PPS vs. revshare programs - Don't believe everything or anything you hear or read here, it's not necessarily true you earn the most with money up front on a PPS program

PPS programs face many challenges including making a profit paying $30-$45 on a $2.99 trial, how to control various frauds, how to stay under chargeback % and so on

The fact is make the most $ you can, safely and quickly as you can

Let's forget all the candywrapping and boasting this is better than that

Compare apples to apples by analyzing earning per click

It the beginning of a new year so if you're sending traffic/joins to various programs check your numbers for last year
- the MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER is AMOUNT PER CLICK EARNED!!!

Smart business people have many eggs in many baskets, sending traffic to programs is like investing, have a diversified portfolio

and having Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com as part of that portfolio is a smart move - ask myself or any of Cloud 9 Cash's affiliates


Obviously Cloud 9 Cash pays for rebills for the life of the surfer and converts and retains extremely well
Not surprised that you would be the first one to post a sensible non-hyperbole post here! :okthumb:

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 08:15 AM
I don't think this is something CC Bill has done out of the kindness of there hearts.

I think they messed up.
I'm personally waiting for the excuses from the sponsors who were caught.
It should be a laugh. :)

[Carrie]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Jan 7 2004, 11:13 AM
Strip kittens/kitten cash says earn 30% of EVERY SALE, not just one rebill.

Glad I didn't send them more than a few clicks anyhow.

I hope the bigger shavers out there are sweating right now. I'd love to see some of these scam artists get into trouble over this illegal activity ripping off affiliates.
Every sale is NOT every rebill.

This is SOFTWARE which the customer pays for ONE time. Not a recurring membership to a paysite.

Put down the bong and back away from the computer.

[Vick]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Jan 7 2004, 11:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Jan 7 2004, 11:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Jan 7 2004, 09:04 AM
I know this situation first hand so

CCbill has offered the option to stop paying on rebills after which ever rebill the program owner chose, they reasons for this are debatable including having a 100% payout for the join and first rebill, shaving and so on

As for PPS vs. revshare programs - Don't believe everything or anything you hear or read here, it's not necessarily true you earn the most with money up front on a PPS program

PPS programs face many challenges including making a profit paying $30-$45 on a $2.99 trial, how to control various frauds, how to stay under chargeback % and so on

The fact is make the most $ you can, safely and quickly as you can

Let's forget all the candywrapping and boasting this is better than that

Compare apples to apples by analyzing earning per click

It the beginning of a new year so if you're sending traffic/joins to various programs check your numbers for last year
- the MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER is AMOUNT PER CLICK EARNED!!!

Smart business people have many eggs in many baskets, sending traffic to programs is like investing, have a diversified portfolio

and having Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com as part of that portfolio is a smart move - ask myself or any of Cloud 9 Cash's affiliates


Obviously Cloud 9 Cash pays for rebills for the life of the surfer and converts and retains extremely well
Not surprised that you would be the first one to post a sensible non-hyperbole post here! :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
he he he Thanks TE


and Nick is probably right, it most likely is an error

Very Funny that this happens during an Internext show, would love to see the sweating going on

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Jan 7 2004, 08:13 AM
Strip kittens/kitten cash says earn 30% of EVERY SALE, not just one rebill.

Glad I didn't send them more than a few clicks anyhow.

I hope the bigger shavers out there are sweating right now. I'd love to see some of these scam artists get into trouble over this illegal activity ripping off affiliates.
they will get caught, sooner or later. I hope it's sooner. Then there life is in for a huge shock

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 08:15 AM
I don't think this is something CC Bill has done out of the kindness of there hearts.

I think they messed up.
nope, corvette said a week or 2 ago they were going to turn it on.

posted on GFY, some of the stupid cheaters (or was it GREED) didn't change there program.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Vick+Jan 7 2004, 11:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 7 2004, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -TheEnforcer@Jan 7 2004, 11:34 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Jan 7 2004, 09:04 AM
I know this situation first hand so

CCbill has offered the option to stop paying on rebills after which ever rebill the program owner chose, they reasons for this are debatable including having a 100% payout for the join and first rebill, shaving and so on

As for PPS vs. revshare programs - Don't believe everything or anything you hear or read here, it's not necessarily true you earn the most with money up front on a PPS program

PPS programs face many challenges including making a profit paying $30-$45 on a $2.99 trial, how to control various frauds, how to stay under chargeback % and so on

The fact is make the most $ you can, safely and quickly as you can

Let's forget all the candywrapping and boasting this is better than that

Compare apples to apples by analyzing earning per click

It the beginning of a new year so if you're sending traffic/joins to various programs check your numbers for last year
- the MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER is AMOUNT PER CLICK EARNED!!!

Smart business people have many eggs in many baskets, sending traffic to programs is like investing, have a diversified portfolio

and having Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com as part of that portfolio is a smart move - ask myself or any of Cloud 9 Cash's affiliates


Obviously Cloud 9 Cash pays for rebills for the life of the surfer and converts and retains extremely well
Not surprised that you would be the first one to post a sensible non-hyperbole post here! :okthumb:
he he he Thanks TE


and Nick is probably right, it most likely is an error

Very Funny that this happens during an Internext show, would love to see the sweating going on[/b][/quote]
Yup, Old Scroth likely has it nailed. That's a lot of potential money to throw away.

[jimmyf]

<---- how did you guys know i just shaved my balls? :unsure:

[DrGuile]

Its a good thing for the future, will make it slightly harder to be crooked for sponsors.

but eh, most big sponsors use their own stats and could do anything they want.

But people have very short memories. This will be all but forgotten in about 10 days.

[Vick]

Originally posted by jimmyf@Jan 7 2004, 11:55 AM
<---- how did you guys know i just shaved my balls? :unsure:
got a secret video camera at the Holiday Inn :P ?

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 08:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 08:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Jan 7 2004, 11:13 AM
Strip kittens/kitten cash says earn 30% of EVERY SALE, not just one rebill.

Glad I didn't send them more than a few clicks anyhow.

I hope the bigger shavers out there are sweating right now. I'd love to see some of these scam artists get into trouble over this illegal activity ripping off affiliates.
Every sale is NOT every rebill.

This is SOFTWARE which the customer pays for ONE time. Not a recurring membership to a paysite.

Put down the bong and back away from the computer.[/b][/quote]
Shutup you stupid cunt. Get a life and post to someone who might care what you have to say.

[Nickatilynx]

There is no way CC Bill will just do it.

There customer is the guy running the affiliate program.Not the guy sending traffic.

Watch CCBill lose processing customers

[Carrie]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Jan 7 2004, 12:11 PM
Shutup you stupid cunt. Get a life and post to someone who might care what you have to say.
LMAO
*I'm* a stupid cunt? Damn I'm glad I wasn't just taking a sip of my soda!

Btw if you didn't care what I had to say, why did you bother taking the time and effort to reply?

Stupid, indeed... :P

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 12:31 PM
There is no way CC Bill will just do it.

There customer is the guy running the affiliate program.Not the guy sending traffic.

Watch CCBill lose processing customers
I can see them losing the shavers most definitely, but do you really think the non-shavers will be moving too?

As a program owner I'd see this as a bonus - when I say I don't shave rebills, it's not just talk. People can see for themselves.

[Nickatilynx]

carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Jan 7 2004, 12:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Jan 7 2004, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 08:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Jan 7 2004, 11:13 AM
Strip kittens/kitten cash says earn 30% of EVERY SALE, not just one rebill.

Glad I didn't send them more than a few clicks anyhow.

I hope the bigger shavers out there are sweating right now. I'd love to see some of these scam artists get into trouble over this illegal activity ripping off affiliates.
Every sale is NOT every rebill.

This is SOFTWARE which the customer pays for ONE time. Not a recurring membership to a paysite.

Put down the bong and back away from the computer.
Shutup you stupid cunt. Get a life and post to someone who might care what you have to say.[/b][/quote]
Cherry,
did you check if the Midol you are using haven't passed the expiration date?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)[/b][/quote]
ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))

[Vick]

<--------- See Pic









Razors have to be used somewhere


Actually everyone shaves, a very few not on purpose
Just as an example, if you're using CCBill for your affiliate program you are shaving about 10% as CCBill's main (there is a secondary) affiliate tracking system is cookie based

Cloud 9 Cash knows this and factors it in, that's why I pay 60% and eat the processing fees

Don't think that I'm uncouth
I only speak the truth

Edit for spacing



Last edited by Vick at Jan 7 2004, 01:40 PM

[Nickatilynx]

What about tracking joins from back up processing ?
What about tracking joins from cheque processing?
What about the programs that have instashave built in?
What about ssi that redirect certain traffic ?
What about switiching of the stats for certain minujtes per hour or certain hours per day ?

:-))))))

I have had it confirmed by a friend that bavck in the day I was being shaved 70%.BUT I still made more money from him than the others.

I was taught to shave by the VERY best ;-)))))

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:51 PM
What about tracking joins from back up processing ?
What about tracking joins from cheque processing?
What about the programs that have instashave built in?
What about ssi that redirect certain traffic ?
What about switiching of the stats for certain minujtes per hour or certain hours per day ?

:-))))))

I have had it confirmed by a friend that bavck in the day I was being shaved 70%.BUT I still made more money from him than the others.

I was taught to shave by the VERY best ;-)))))
Well why don't you just pull the whole fucking curtain back :unsure: :agrin:


Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
I am the Great and Powerful Oz :gbounce: :redance:

[Nickatilynx]

LOL

I was just saying everyone shaves.

If you don't think you are being shaved , the person receiving your traffic has just turned up the shave. :)

I would. :)

You want me to start listing the REALLY sneaky ways to shave? ;-))))

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 7 2004, 01:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 7 2004, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)
ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))[/b][/quote]
Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 11:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 11:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)
ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))
Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)[/b][/quote]
Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


;-)))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:01 PM

We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 7 2004, 02:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 7 2004, 02:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)
ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))
Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


;-)))))[/b][/quote]
I am serious as a heart attack.
Hell Nick I don't even know *how* to switch stats off for a certain time period, LOL (we're not using custom software at the moment) and we're getting valid signups from foreign traffic so there's no need to redirect.

Caveat: At this time there's no need to redirect *grin* We'll see how Epoch does processing foreign cards.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 7 2004, 02:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 7 2004, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:01 PM

We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))[/b][/quote]
Now Serge, why would I *want* to be a hairy guy with a butt fetish? :P

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 7 2004, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 7 2004, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:01 PM

We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

I was always delighted to do business with serge.

Should he ever require traffic in the future I'd send traffic without reservation.

Usual fedexes appreciated.


notice no smileys[/SIZE]

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:51 PM
What about tracking joins from back up processing ?
What about tracking joins from cheque processing?
What about the programs that have instashave built in?
What about ssi that redirect certain traffic ?
What about switiching of the stats for certain minujtes per hour or certain hours per day ?

:-))))))

I have had it confirmed by a friend that bavck in the day I was being shaved 70%.BUT I still made more money from him than the others.

I was taught to shave by the VERY best ;-)))))
1.What about tracking joins from back up processing ?
We pay on that.

2. What about tracking joins from cheque processing?
We pay on that.
3. What about the programs that have instashave built in?
Hell no.
4.What about ssi that redirect certain traffic ?
We redirect to dialers, and pay 80% on that too
5. What about switiching of the stats for certain minujtes per hour or certain hours per day ?
Hell no.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 7 2004, 02:07 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:01 PM

We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))
Now Serge, why would I *want* to be a hairy guy with a butt fetish? :P[/b][/quote]
for a sole reason,
so Cherry won't call you a stupid cunt
;-)))))

she never does it to me.....
;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 11:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)
ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))
Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


;-)))))
I am serious as a heart attack.
Hell Nick I don't even know *how* to switch stats off for a certain time period, LOL (we're not using custom software at the moment) and we're getting valid signups from foreign traffic so there's no need to redirect.

Caveat: At this time there's no need to redirect *grin* We'll see how Epoch does processing foreign cards.[/b][/quote]
jeeeezzzzzzzus!!!!! LOL

Sorry carrie , you are a nice woman.But you don't have a clue on this LOL

But you do always have an opinion ;-)))))

1.) I'll bet you don't see 100 joins per mth paid
2.) You don't redirect foriegn traffic.Let me give you an old hint.
How many webmasters check there linking codes from....say....aol.
3.) An ssi striping all webtv hits to a webtv designed site works well ;-)))

Any "hitter" expects to be shaved. (For he is not naive)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 7 2004, 02:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 7 2004, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 7 2004, 11:07 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:01 PM

We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)
1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))
:okthumb:

I was always delighted to do business with serge.

Should he ever require traffic in the future I'd send traffic without reservation.

Usual fedexes appreciated.


notice no smileys[/SIZE][/b][/quote]
thank you, Nick,
and I KNOW that if I ever needed traffic,
I'd get 500,000 hits a day with no much hassles
;-))))

too bad there are no places to send it to anymore
;-((((

[Nickatilynx]

too bad there are no places to send it to anymore
;-((((


Tell me about it :(

500k water hits can be grabbed easy.

Now adays its the 10k - 100k "meat" hits that are hard to come by

And in all seriousness most mailers prefer hitting nonadult these days.
(Paris Hilton excepted ;-))) )

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 7 2004, 02:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 7 2004, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:11 PM

Now Serge, why would I *want* to be a hairy guy with a butt fetish? :P
for a sole reason,
so Cherry won't call you a stupid cunt
;-)))))

she never does it to me.....
;-))))[/b][/quote]
*giggling my ass off*
You've got me on that one!

[Nickatilynx]

Anyway......

There is only one thing that matters when you send traffic .....

the CHEQUE!!!! ;-)))

[Vick]

The truth as I know it
Serious as a hard-on, no bull, no ass kissiing

In 1998, 1999 and 2000 I was responsible for publishing/writing two adult email publications (both opt in- really opt in no harvested email addy lists) one was daily with a circulation of 450,000 the other was 3 times weekly with a circulation of 150,000

The 450K publication had up 10-20 ads per day so I needed a lot of sponsors (and a lot of sites to rotate) so I tried many affiliate programs

The best paying sponsor was Intergal and all the sites in the Intergal family
Xpics paid well also - yeah I said it
Brad Shaw was just starting out about that '97-'98 and Teen Goddess did well also
Serge's Cash sites paid well also, better than about 75%-65% of the other programs I was using
The checks were always on time, always for the amount they were supposed to be, never had a question or problem with Serge's Cash or getting paid

and those are the facts
I was there and did the work
and I remember

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 11:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 11:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 01:15 PM
carrie,

Are you really naive enough to believe there are non shavers?

ahahahahahahahahahaha
I admit it, I do believe that there are non-shavers... they are rare, but they do exist.
I'm one of them! :) :)
(Okay before you jump on that, I mean with my affiliate program, not my personal hygiene!!)
ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))
Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)[/b][/quote]
Double Digits is pretty generic.

10 to 99.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:30 PM
Anyway......

There is only one thing that matters when you send traffic .....

the CHEQUE!!!! ;-)))
CHEQUE??????


Nick,
take WIRE!
;-)))))

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:22 PM
jeeeezzzzzzzus!!!!! LOL

Sorry carrie , you are a nice woman.But you don't have a clue on this LOL

But you do always have an opinion ;-)))))

1.) I'll bet you don't see 100 joins per mth paid
2.) You don't redirect foriegn traffic.Let me give you an old hint.
How many webmasters check there linking codes from....say....aol.
3.) An ssi striping all webtv hits to a webtv designed site works well ;-)))

Any "hitter" expects to be shaved. (For he is not naive)
I told ya I was honest. :) (To a fault? LOL)

How long do I have to work up to that 100 joins per month?

And quit tempting me, dammit!! I wouldn't want to subconciously code in AOL shaving when I'm writing up the affiliate stuff... (or would I? hehe)

Guess I need to join the Nick's Secret Shaving 101 program :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Jan 7 2004, 02:33 PM
The truth as I know it
Serious as a hard-on, no bull, no ass kissiing

In 1998, 1999 and 2000 I was responsible for publishing/writing two adult email publications (both opt in- really opt in no harvested email addy lists) one was daily with a circulation of 450,000 the other was 3 times weekly with a circulation of 150,000

The 450K publication had up 10-20 ads per day so I needed a lot of sponsors (and a lot of sites to rotate) so I tried many affiliate programs

The best paying sponsor was Intergal and all the sites in the Intergal family
Xpics paid well also - yeah I said it
Brad Shaw was just starting out about that '97-'98 and Teen Goddess did well also
Serge's Cash sites paid well also, better than about 75%-65% of the other programs I was using
The checks were always on time, always for the amount they were supposed to be, never had a question or problem with Serge's Cash or getting paid

and those are the facts
I was there and did the work
and I remember
and Vick, guess what?
we ALL shaved one way or another....the art of shaving is:
1) NEVER to get caught while you are doing it,
and none of us was

2) shave just a tad LESS than the other guy,
and you always come up smelling like a rose
;-))

KNOWING what you CAN get away with was ALWAYS a key...
something the clueless noobs of today have no idea about...

[Nickatilynx]

Cheque , wire , gold bars , its all good :-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Carrie+Jan 7 2004, 02:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Jan 7 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:22 PM
jeeeezzzzzzzus!!!!! LOL

Sorry carrie , you are a nice woman.But you don't have a clue on this LOL

But you do always have an opinion ;-)))))

1.) I'll bet you don't see 100 joins per mth paid
2.) You don't redirect foriegn traffic.Let me give you an old hint.
How many webmasters check there linking codes from....say....aol.
3.) An ssi striping all webtv hits to a webtv designed site works well ;-)))

Any "hitter" expects to be shaved. (For he is not naive)
I told ya I was honest. :) (To a fault? LOL)

How long do I have to work up to that 100 joins per month?

And quit tempting me, dammit!! I wouldn't want to subconciously code in AOL shaving when I'm writing up the affiliate stuff... (or would I? hehe)

Guess I need to join the Nick's Secret Shaving 101 program :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Carrie,
this isn't called "honesty" in the business we've chosen...it's called
LACK OF CREATIVITY....
have you ever thought of getting a new career as a nurse?

your honesty would be plausable and creativity is NOT required in that profession........

[Carrie]

Btw CCBill is now saying that all of the drama last night was just a "glitch", despite people proving that they've had surfers stay for multiple months but only got paid one month for it.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.p...threadid=218045 (http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218045)

That whole situation is getting really smelly. Lots of money changing hands and deals being made today, no doubt.

[Nickatilynx]

Btw CCBill is now saying that all of the drama last night was just a "glitch"

So I was right then?


hehehehehehehehehehe

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:41 PM
Btw CCBill is now saying that all of the drama last night was just a "glitch"

So I was right then?


hehehehehehehehehehe
do you beleive them?

I bet it's a nothing but "damage control"....

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 7 2004, 11:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 7 2004, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:41 PM
Btw CCBill is now saying that all of the drama last night was just a "glitch"

So I was right then?


hehehehehehehehehehe
do you beleive them?

I bet it's a nothing but "damage control"....[/b][/quote]
of course....blind panic covering a fuck up.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 7 2004, 02:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 7 2004, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Jan 7 2004, 02:33 PM
The truth as I know it
Serious as a hard-on, no bull, no ass kissiing

In 1998, 1999 and 2000 I was responsible for publishing/writing two adult email publications (both opt in- really opt in no harvested email addy lists) one was daily with a circulation of 450,000 the other was 3 times weekly with a circulation of 150,000

The 450K publication had up 10-20 ads per day so I needed a lot of sponsors (and a lot of sites to rotate) so I tried many affiliate programs

The best paying sponsor was Intergal and all the sites in the Intergal family
Xpics paid well also - yeah I said it
Brad Shaw was just starting out about that '97-'98 and Teen Goddess did well also
Serge's Cash sites paid well also, better than about 75%-65% of the other programs I was using
The checks were always on time, always for the amount they were supposed to be, never had a question or problem with Serge's Cash or getting paid

and those are the facts
I was there and did the work
and I remember
and Vick, guess what?
we ALL shaved one way or another....the art of shaving is:
1) NEVER to get caught while you are doing it,
and none of us was

2) shave just a tad LESS than the other guy,
and you always come up smelling like a rose
;-))

KNOWING what you CAN get away with was ALWAYS a key...
something the clueless noobs of today have no idea about...[/b][/quote]
and you know I didn't care about the shave, only idiots didn't think they were being shaved
What mattered was where the biggest/best payment was coming from

Xpics shaved the most and still paid more than just about everyone else
and offered pre-paid wires

and the worse shave I saw.... which lead to poor/low pay and never using the program unless I was stuck for something

Can anyone guess?

He's not active in the business as far as I know but still might be somewhere

If you don't want to name names there was something on the checks or in the company name that stood out if I remember correctly or was at least different than most other companies

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 7 2004, 02:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 7 2004, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jan 7 2004, 11:43 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:41 PM
Btw CCBill is now saying that all of the drama last night was just a "glitch"

So I was right then?


hehehehehehehehehehe
do you beleive them?

I bet it's a nothing but "damage control"....
of course....blind panic covering a fuck up.[/b][/quote]
and fuck up was:
they NEVER intended to make it feature PUBLIC....

BTW, knowing CCBill's history,
I CAN say:
they ARE creative
;-)))))

Carrie, learn from the best....and most of all,
learn to avoid FUCK UPs

;-)))))

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jan 7 2004, 02:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jan 7 2004, 02:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Jan 7 2004, 02:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:22 PM
jeeeezzzzzzzus!!!!! LOL

Sorry carrie , you are a nice woman.But you don't have a clue on this LOL

But you do always have an opinion ;-)))))

1.) I'll bet you don't see 100 joins per mth paid
2.) You don't redirect foriegn traffic.Let me give you an old hint.
How many webmasters check there linking codes from....say....aol.
3.) An ssi striping all webtv hits to a webtv designed site works well ;-)))

Any "hitter" expects to be shaved. (For he is not naive)
I told ya I was honest. :) (To a fault? LOL)

How long do I have to work up to that 100 joins per month?

And quit tempting me, dammit!! I wouldn't want to subconciously code in AOL shaving when I'm writing up the affiliate stuff... (or would I? hehe)

Guess I need to join the Nick's Secret Shaving 101 program :awinky:
Carrie,
this isn't called "honesty" in the business we've chosen...it's called
LACK OF CREATIVITY....
have you ever thought of getting a new career as a nurse?

your honesty would be plausable and creativity is NOT required in that profession........[/b][/quote]
I change enough shitty diapers during the day. No nursing!

Serge I've never claimed to be more than I am. I don't come on saying I'm a player or lying about my 900 joins a day. Hell I don't even post pics of cheap ass Camaros that I don't own and talk about my "bling bling" and my nonexistant Mensa membership, lol.
I'm the token newbie, we're just starting out - I've got no problems admitting that.

Maybe I won't be the next Fantasyman with my morals standing in the way. Maybe I could be convinced to be a little creative with the billing. Who knows?

I'm not against changing my way of thinking, and one day I might. I just would like to give it a good try first. No harm in trying, eh?

[Nickatilynx]

LOL

Posting on YNOT back in the day that XPics was gonna prepay me a wedge of cash led to phonecalls from Dean and FM and eventually made me millions LOL :-))))

[sextoyking]

Gosh just a yr or 2 ago you would see posts all the time from people wanting to pre pay for 50-100, 1000 joins or whatever.

I don't see those much anymore

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:53 PM
Posting on YNOT back in the day that XPics was gonna prepay me a wedge of cash led to phonecalls from Dean and FM and eventually made me millions LOL :-))))
That reminds me...

Nick, did you send out that FedEx for the Gadzillion bucks (U.S. of course, none of that Loonie shit) in prepays that you were gonna send to me yet ???




(goes and waits by the phone for people to call me and make me rich)





:yowsa:

[Rolo]

Not really related to CCBill topic, however I saw the PPS vs Recurring posts, so I wanted to jump in with my 2 cents about it.

Recurring is probably more strong in nature, since the payout cashflow is controlled. PPS is more complex because they are paying for much more than just the single transactions - and this is why I think the PPS game will have to change or continue the downspiral... if you only have PPS and try to add all kind of extra revenue (consoles, redirects, e-mails, xsales, upsell, shaving etc.) into the PPS payout, then it will only get hard and hard to do the high payout, because:

1. Technology is working against consoles, installs and spams
2. Bankers will keep making risky transactions more risky
3. Less webmasters will control more traffic, and they will get smarter - both filtering traffic away, and spotting shaving will be easy for them.
4. Surfers get smarter, still surfering with their dick in their hand, but also knowing about low trial/high recurring price, and how too cancel. Plus they will have access to much more free content than today, so why stay a member?
5. Possible tax issue down the road...

If PPS and processors continue with the old model, then in 2 years time we will probably hear webmasters who are saying something like this:

"You know back in 2004, then I was converting 1/1500 and got $35 per signup - sure alot of them shaved, but I made Bling Bling!! However today in 2006 I´m converting 1/5000 and I´m paid $35 per signup, and now everyone is shaving like mad, and I will probably need to work at McD... damn I wish it was 2004 again"

Not saying that recurring is better, than PPS - recurring will have the same problems, however they will not have to payout $35 per $1-5 trial.

The sky is not falling - yes you can still wake up each morning and milk the PPS cow, however in time that cashcow will produce less and less milk - no matter how hard you try to squeeze the teats... evolution :o

[Anthony]

Originally posted by sextoyking@Jan 7 2004, 12:30 PM
Gosh just a yr or 2 ago you would see posts all the time from people wanting to pre pay for 50-100, 1000 joins or whatever.

I don't see those much anymore
Todd,

They are just not too vocal about it. We are business as usual. :D

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by sarettah+Jan 7 2004, 12:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Jan 7 2004, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 02:53 PM
Posting on YNOT back in the day that XPics was gonna prepay me a wedge of cash led to phonecalls from Dean and FM and eventually made me millions LOL :-))))
That reminds me...

Nick, did you send out that FedEx for the Gadzillion bucks (U.S. of course, none of that Loonie shit) in prepays that you were gonna send to me yet ???




(goes and waits by the phone for people to call me and make me rich)





:yowsa:[/b][/quote]
Yeah I did.

Check your servers.

You'll see a million hits a day....








again :)

[aeon]

Originally posted by Rolo@Jan 7 2004, 01:34 PM
Not really related to CCBill topic, however I saw the PPS vs Recurring posts, so I wanted to jump in with my 2 cents about it.

Recurring is probably more strong in nature, since the payout cashflow is controlled. PPS is more complex because they are paying for much more than just the single transactions - and this is why I think the PPS game will have to change or continue the downspiral... if you only have PPS and try to add all kind of extra revenue (consoles, redirects, e-mails, xsales, upsell, shaving etc.) into the PPS payout, then it will only get hard and hard to do the high payout, because:

1. Technology is working against consoles, installs and spams
2. Bankers will keep making risky transactions more risky
3. Less webmasters will control more traffic, and they will get smarter - both filtering traffic away, and spotting shaving will be easy for them.
4. Surfers get smarter, still surfering with their dick in their hand, but also knowing about low trial/high recurring price, and how too cancel. Plus they will have access to much more free content than today, so why stay a member?
5. Possible tax issue down the road...

If PPS and processors continue with the old model, then in 2 years time we will probably hear webmasters who are saying something like this:

"You know back in 2004, then I was converting 1/1500 and got $35 per signup - sure alot of them shaved, but I made Bling Bling!! However today in 2006 I´m converting 1/5000 and I´m paid $35 per signup, and now everyone is shaving like mad, and I will probably need to work at McD... damn I wish it was 2004 again"

Not saying that recurring is better, than PPS - recurring will have the same problems, however they will not have to payout $35 per $1-5 trial.

The sky is not falling - yes you can still wake up each morning and milk the PPS cow, however in time that cashcow will produce less and less milk - no matter how hard you try to squeeze the teats... evolution :o
every business model has to adapt with time - that's obvious...but it's absolute absurdity to hear sponsors scream "revshare is where the money is" when you look at their exit consoles...

it's a bunch of PT Barnum wannabe's living out "do what I say, not what I do" and most webmasters are cognitively vacant enough to buy it.

get your money - get it in hand so you can use it to make more money...and leave the "big boys" to deal with the FTC - visa - bankruptcy in the future...they aint gonna go broke for any affiliates...any affiliate with half a brain that actually works will afford them nothing more than that same level of respect.

I've always hated paysite revshare programs. It's just asking to be fucked in so many ways.

best of luck -
aeon

[boldy]

Hey its me Boldy from KimHollandCash.com I just posted the proof on GFY. We dont shave. Its a fucking bug in the CCBILL software Here the screenshot http://www.kimholland.com/ccbillfuckers.jpg

Thanks,

feel free to contact me anytime 13605110

B.



Last edited by boldy at Jan 7 2004, 03:09 PM

[LittleC]

Hey Boldy !

nice to see you here ! I already wondered why Kim's program was on the list. I know she is a greast lady & couldn't see her shaving (exept for her or her GF's pussy :agrin: )

for the USA people here: Kim holland is a Dutch pornstar ehhh not only that she owns a very hot club in Holland & is a great personality !

and she is Dutch !!!!!!!!!!!! yeahhhhhh

We should meet up soon again Boldy & hopefully CCBILL wil contact you soon !

Hugs, Claudia

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by boldy@Jan 7 2004, 05:43 PM
Hey its me Boldy from KimHollandCash.com I just posted the proof we dont shave on GFY.
B.
ok, I beleive you that you don't shave on GFY...
but can you prove you don't shave everywhere else?????

Jesus Maria
;-))))

[Hooper]

those in the know are already changing their pps methods and as usually seems to be the case the counter intuitive decision is going to be the one that results in better conversions, higher/maintained payouts and less risk.

i'll give you a few hints on what will happen

1 - no more recurring
2 - charging the surfer MORE

when the narrow minded people are no longer running paysites the professionals will begin making MORE money than they have in the past few years.

jmho

[LittleC]

HAHA Serge,

I didn't even see that !

He is a dutch guy, guess that's why.

at least he is ahowing figures ! I haven't seen the ohers do that yet !

See you Soon !

[boldy]

Originally posted by LittleC@Jan 7 2004, 02:58 PM
Hey Boldy !

nice to see you here ! I already wondered why Kim's program was on the list. I know she is a greast lady & couldn't see her shaving (exept for her or her GF's pussy :agrin: )

for the USA people here: Kim holland is a Dutch pornstar ehhh not only that she owns a very hot club in Holland & is a great personality !

and she is Dutch !!!!!!!!!!!! yeahhhhhh

We should meet up soon again Boldy & hopefully CCBILL wil contact you soon !

Hugs, Claudia
Thanks for the support Claudia.

Hope to see ya soon again! :) Sober this time .. heheh

Pat

[Nickatilynx]

little C,

Would you shave me.


;-)))))))

[Julene]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 7 2004, 08:15 AM
I don't think this is something CC Bill has done out of the kindness of there hearts.

I think they messed up.
Actually, a ccbill employee said within the last month or so that the rebill option would be on the new affiliate admin soon . The employee posted the remark on GFY. It is in one of the ccbill threads .

[TheEnforcer]

Damn good conversation going on here! THIS is what oprano is all about baby!! :okthumb:

Oh.... and talking about Serge's hairy ass!! :P

[DTK]

Originally posted by sextoyking@Jan 7 2004, 12:30 PM
Gosh just a yr or 2 ago you would see posts all the time from people wanting to pre pay for 50-100, 1000 joins or whatever.

I don't see those much anymore
Maybe because they're tired of getting ripped off by the David Foote's of the world???

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Jan 7 2004, 06:48 PM
Damn good conversation going on here! THIS is what oprano is all about baby!! :okthumb:

Oh.... and talking about Serge's hairy ass!! :P
me? hairy ass?
it's been SHAVED since 1996!
;-))) :nyanya:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by LittleC@Jan 7 2004, 06:04 PM
HAHA Serge,

I didn't even see that !

He is a dutch guy, guess that's why.

at least he is ahowing figures ! I haven't seen the ohers do that yet !

See you Soon !
Dutch rulez!
;_))

(will that get me extra TLC when we get to Amsterdam)?
;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

TE,

Cause we telling the truth ;)

[LittleC]

Serge,

anything you want, you get ! :P

Nick, it would be my pleasure shaving you !

[Monk]

Originally posted by boldy@Jan 7 2004, 05:43 PM
Hey its me Boldy from KimHollandCash.com I just posted the proof on GFY. We dont shave. Its a fucking bug in the CCBILL software Here the screenshot http://www.kimholland.com/ccbillfuckers.jpg

Thanks,

feel free to contact me anytime 13605110

B.
Well, I can't imagine any program with half a brain would set the rebill option to 1 or 0 and just leave it, hoping none of there webmasters would get pissed off.

Perhaps however, they would turn the option to 1 or 0 for awhile and then turn it back to unlimited for awhile.... and perhaps they got caught while the shave was turned "ON"

ON.... OFF... ON .... OFF.... ask Serge about it... LOL

[slapass]

Boldy,

I would make ccBill repond to your case specifically as there was some hedging in the formal statement. Just my 2 cents.

[Jak]

Originally posted by jimmyf+Jan 7 2004, 08:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jimmyf @ Jan 7 2004, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Jan 7 2004, 08:13 AM
Strip kittens/kitten cash says earn 30% of EVERY SALE, not just one rebill.

Glad I didn't send them more than a few clicks anyhow.

I hope the bigger shavers out there are sweating right now. I'd love to see some of these scam artists get into trouble over this illegal activity ripping off affiliates.
they will get caught, sooner or later. I hope it's sooner. Then there life is in for a huge shock[/b][/quote]
This is getting slightly irritating. If people would check their info before calling Strip Kittens out as cheaters, they'd see that:

- We have a one time sale product.
- We don't have trials, just the one time sale software product.
- There has never been rebills, since it's a one time sale.
- There's nothing to rebill, as yes, it's a one time sale.
- We pay for EVERY sale that goes through your ref code, but again, and let me stress this... there is nothing to rebill, since we don't have a membership.
- Strip Kittens is not a membership site, so there's nothing to rebill.

Have I set that straight? :)

Strip Kittens is not cheating you. Please stop lumping us in with the real scammers.

Thanks,
Jak
http://www.stripkittens.com

[Pornwolf]

So, Jak, are you saying Strip kittens is a one time sale and there are no rebills? Did I hear you correctly? So, do I get paid for the life of the member or not? Please explain.



:P

[Jak]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jan 9 2004, 11:18 PM
So, Jak, are you saying Strip kittens is a one time sale and there are no rebills? Did I hear you correctly? So, do I get paid for the life of the member or not? Please explain.



:P
Hahaha! Yes indeed, you read that correctly. :bdance:

[Lori Anderson]

Originally posted by Torone@Jan 7 2004, 05:56 AM
A partial list of CCBill Sponsors that fuck you:
PerfectionCash
Sweet18girls
Rodney Bucks
Bukkake Cash
Fetish Frenzy
Flaming Funds
Sexy Fighters
Brothers In Cash
KimHollandCash
LotzaDollars
Kirsten's Room
Black Amateurs
XXX Cash
Kirstens-Room
courtesy of jesus over at gfy...

Any of these look familiar?
Hi everyone.. I see that my NEW cash program is listed here its almost done.."LOTZADOLLARS" not even advertised yet and someone is talking shit about it already... what a joke.. it was just put live on Jan 5th. while I attended Internext to promote it.. I pay 50/50 (lifetime rebills) with a chance to make more depending on your sales... NO SHAVING here!!! some people just need to get there facts straight before they shoot off there mouth on the boards........... It was a pleasure meeting some of you at the show... (you too GONZO) I will be posting the pics I have with you when I get them all sorted out.

Thanks,
Luv Lori xoxo

[masterp74]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jan 7 2004, 03:50 AM
it's good imho that revshare programs are being exposed as crooks. why? because for years they have waved the big bullshit white flag of "revshare programs dont shave, so sent your traffic somewhere where you're a partner".

this is not the only way they can/do/will shave you.

be wise. take your money as a lump sum. up front.

jmho, but it definitely doesnt hurt to ask yourself what the big money makers buy into... and it's unlikely that you'll see anybody with serious traffic doing revshare. why? cause they know they're gonna make more on pps :)

industry.. meet consolidation.. consolidation... meet industry :D
This is a great time to be the industry. glad I'm here. :matey:

[Carrie]

I just happened to think - since CCBill backtracked and said that exposing the shavers was a "glitch", does that mean I get my thumbs back?

[Dravyk]

Entertaining thread. B)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Lori Anderson+Jan 10 2004, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lori Anderson @ Jan 10 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Jan 7 2004, 05:56 AM
A partial list of CCBill Sponsors that fuck you:
PerfectionCash
Sweet18girls
Rodney Bucks
Bukkake Cash
Fetish Frenzy
Flaming Funds
Sexy Fighters
Brothers In Cash
KimHollandCash
LotzaDollars
Kirsten's Room
Black Amateurs
XXX Cash
Kirstens-Room
courtesy of jesus over at gfy...

Any of these look familiar?
Hi everyone.. I see that my NEW cash program is listed here its almost done.."LOTZADOLLARS" not even advertised yet and someone is talking shit about it already... what a joke.. it was just put live on Jan 5th. while I attended Internext to promote it.. I pay 50/50 (lifetime rebills) with a chance to make more depending on your sales... NO SHAVING here!!! some people just need to get there facts straight before they shoot off there mouth on the boards........... It was a pleasure meeting some of you at the show... (you too GONZO) I will be posting the pics I have with you when I get them all sorted out.

Thanks,
Luv Lori xoxo[/b][/quote]
Lori you can shave me anytime!

I have some pics for you too.

[Mike AI]

Since day one I have called Jeff out for being a Cockholster. I knew he was shaving and playing games, I sent him a bunch of hits and signups that dissappeared!

Good to see it finally caught up to him. I am just dissappointed I was not around the boards when the lynch mob got to him.... I always enjoy a good lynch mob!!



:rokk: