Do you feel more or less safe living where you do?

[TheEnforcer]

I feel much safer living where I live because it's a lot harder for outside people to blend in in middle america here.

[Peaches]

I feel MUCH safer here than I did in the Atlanta 'burbs. As you mentioned, there's not very many "outsiders" that would blend in. Heck, all we have here are rednecks and Mexicans. :unsure:

I've lived in Atlanta and Jacksonville and both were considered "targets". Atlanta for the Airport, CNN and CDC and Jacksonville because of all the military ports.

We've got nothing of any interest up here and having your own water supply is always nice. :okthumb:

[Bishop]

I live in a town of 500 people. I'm the bad element in town. I always feel safe. :)

If your not from around here.. People give you THE look..

"You ain't from here is ya boy?"

[Mike AI]

There is no doubt living in a smaller city, or non-urban area things are generally safer. Not only from terrorists, but also normal crime as well.

As far as targets, NY, DC and LA are always listed as the top ones. So while they may be targeted most, they probably also have more security.... including lots that most people do not see.

Terrorists in foreign countries have been gonig after softer targets - those easier to hit, so something in a smaller city, or area may pop up from a frustrated terrorist who could not get his bigger target.

[Winetalk.com]

One thing we were taught in USSR I learned well to use it here:
"Hero dies only ONCE, coward dies every day"

I fly, travel, and won't let terrorists disrupt my life and make me die EVERY DAY....

[Bishop]

There is a bunker just a few miles from my house. It went up for sale a couple of months back. I don't know if anyone bought it or not. My wife wanted to buy it. This is the kinda place you could definately feel safe in.

Read the article.. this thing is radical!

---- Article About The Bunker ----

STANFIELD - Down Love Chapel Road, across from a field of soybeans and corn, lies a little-known footnote to the Cold War.

It's not much to look at from the surface -- two small buildings in front of a 250-foot tower.

But below the weed-covered veneer is a multilevel, nuclear attack- proof bunker built in the early '60s for commercial as well as top- secret government use.

Military jets and Air Force One used to relay communications through the 80,000-square-foot facility -- roughly the size of a Home Depot. AT&T constructed eight such bunkers during the Cold War to ensure vital communications would survive disasters. The Stanfield site was the largest, built at a cost of more than $7 million.

Now the decommissioned mass of concrete, situated on 11 acres about 30 miles east of uptown Charlotte in rural Stanly County, can be yours for the low, low price of $1.5 million.

The potential is nearly limitless. When AT&T moved its operations out of the facility in 1991, it took most of the communications equipment housed on the two main levels. The result is a lot of open space that can be configured almost any way you want.

And once you're in, you can stay in for a long time. The structure was designed to accommodate 90 people for 90 days.

The facility runs on commercial power, but if that were knocked out, two jet turbine engines would supply 750 kilowatts apiece. By comparison, the average house runs on 15 to 20 kilowatts.

A 300,000-gallon fuel tank served the facility. The engines used about 30 gallons an hour, but the tank never ran dry. Employees actually pumped out fuel from the '60s when the bunker closed.

Water for the facility was held in a 100,000-gallon tank supplied by three wells beneath the main structure. There is a separate sewage system and trash incinerator.

Air came through three vents and was circulated using several blowers the size of sedans.

Much of the concrete walls are bare, but the offices include such '70s design staples as beige wallpaper and wood paneling. The sinks and toilets in the housing area are made of steel.

The cots and refrigerators are gone, but little reminders of the workers who staffed the facility 24 hours a day remain.

The engine room still has maintenance schedules. One room has a calendar from 1990. Many corners still have floor plans and evacuation routes to the facility's two exits.

There are three 15-ton doors separating the underground from the surface. Two are at the main entrance. The other is by the back door.

Near that exit used to be an office that only employees with top- secret clearance could enter.

Back before satellites and other high-tech systems, the president's airborne communications were funneled through secured bases. When the plane left one base's reach, another would pick it up.

About the Bunker

Completed in 1967, the 80,000 square-foot structure operated normally with a crew of 30. But it could house 90 people for 90 days in the event of a nuclear attack. A radiation detector and percussion sensors are scattered around the facility.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 22 2003, 11:14 AM
One thing we were taught in USSR I learned well to use it here:
"Hero dies only ONCE, coward dies every day"

I fly, travel, and won't let terrorists disrupt my life and make me die EVERY DAY....


AMEN!

:salute:

[Bishop]

Here is a place you can buy old missle bunkers.. not as big as the bunker I mentioned earlier but still cool.. and maybe one in your area. haha..

Feel Safe In These Trying Times.

http://www.missilebases.com/

I got a kick out of this one..
"Shep, TX - 11 acres, electrical and plumbing in LCC, hilltop with scrub trees overlooking valley, 2 water wells, LCC stripped to bare concrete ready for creative design, silo tube used for scuba diving, asphalt entry road. Background check necessary to buy. Shown to serious and capable buyers only.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 22 2003, 11:14 AM
One thing we were taught in USSR I learned well to use it here:
"Hero dies only ONCE, coward dies every day"

I fly, travel, and won't let terrorists disrupt my life and make me die EVERY DAY....
So true. :okthumb:

[Joe Sixpack]

Australia is probably the safest country in the world in which to live.

There are definite advantages to living on an island.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Dec 22 2003, 01:02 PM
There are definite advantages to living on an island.
The WTC was on an island.

[PornoDoggy]

Australia is how far from Indonesia?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Dec 22 2003, 12:02 PM
Australia is probably the safest country in the world in which to live.

There are definite advantages to living on an island.
that's what americans thought prior to 9/11.....

not in today's age it matters much........

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 22 2003, 09:07 AM
Australia is how far from Indonesia?
Far enough.

Once you get across the thousands kilometres of water, you have dense rainforest and crocodiles to look forward to.

[ulfie]

If terrorists attacked where I live they would kill more deer than people then they would have another group of terrorists after them.....PETA.

[Bestat]

I live at the base of Cheyenne Mountain, and Norad sits on top of it, so I figure if they go, I go :) I am like Serge, I refuse to live my life differently than I did before, when it is your time to go, it is your time, won't matter where you are.

B)

[Carrie]

I'm about 5 miles (straight as the crow flies) from Norfolk, VA. Prime target.
Terrorists look at satellite pictures of that place with fuzzy, wet-dream-like visions of a Pearl Harbor replay in their heads.

Like Bestat said... if they go, I go. Not much to do about it but hope the radio announcer mentions something in enough time that I can haul ass towards Tennessee.

[LAJ]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Dec 22 2003, 08:06 AM
There is no doubt living in a smaller city, or non-urban area things are generally safer. Not only from terrorists, but also normal crime as well.

As far as targets, NY, DC and LA are always listed as the top ones. So while they may be targeted most, they probably also have more security.... including lots that most people do not see.

Terrorists in foreign countries have been gonig after softer targets - those easier to hit, so something in a smaller city, or area may pop up from a frustrated terrorist who could not get his bigger target.
I'd say I have to disagree with ya on that one MikeAI... it's actually many of the smaller cities and towns that have a higher crime rate than the larger cities. Granted if you are from a small town, cities like NY and LA can seem very daunting and dangerous, but in actuality have lower rate of crime than the national average. Crime is usually in pockets of every city, but according to http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime_compare.asp it seems like St. Louis, Dallas and Atlanta are much worse places to live than larger cities. The trend seems to be pretty bad for smaller cities particularly in the southern half of the US.



Last edited by LAJ at Dec 22 2003, 12:36 PM

[LAJ]

And by LA... I meant property crimes :-)

It can be pretty violent out here :agrin:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by LAJ+Dec 22 2003, 03:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LAJ @ Dec 22 2003, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Dec 22 2003, 08:06 AM
There is no doubt living in a smaller city, or non-urban area things are generally safer. Not only from terrorists, but also normal crime as well.

As far as targets, NY, DC and LA are always listed as the top ones. So while they may be targeted most, they probably also have more security.... including lots that most people do not see.

Terrorists in foreign countries have been gonig after softer targets - those easier to hit, so something in a smaller city, or area may pop up from a frustrated terrorist who could not get his bigger target.
I'd say I have to disagree with ya on that one MikeAI... it's actually many of the smaller cities and towns that have a higher crime rate than the larger cities. Granted if you are from a small town, cities like NY and LA can seem very daunting and dangerous, but in actuality have lower rate of crime than the national average. Crime is usually in pockets of every city, but according to http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime_compare.asp it seems like St. Louis, Dallas and Atlanta are much worse places to live than larger cities. The trend seems to be pretty bad for smaller cities particularly in the southern half of the US.[/b][/quote]


I would consider Dallas, St. Louis, and ATL to be big cities. Hell NO is a big city - but tiny compaired to these, and the crime is out of control!

NYC crime rate is actually much lower then most cities....

[PornoDoggy]

St. Louis City proper only has about a half-million people in it. The St. Louis metro area is somewhere around the 15th largest in the country.

High crime in my neck of the woods is a residential burglary or DWI. I'm not going to get too worried until they find evidence that the Amish have been infiltrated by al Qaida.*

* - This proof will have to come from someone other than Torone.

[TeenGodFather]

I live in the wealthiest area of the most safe (..probably) capital of the world. So.. I'm not afraid to take my dog out for a piss after 6pm.

[sarettah]

I live within the city limits of Kansas City, Missouri, but definitely not in an urban area.

I am not afraid to leave locks unlocked at night, cars out in front or anything like that.

I have been in the area for almost 20 years now and have not had any problems. There are areas of the city that are pretty nasty, but overall it's an ok place.

[Candice]

i feel safer where i live now but i prefer to live in australia :matey:

[cj]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Dec 22 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Dec 22 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Dec 22 2003, 09:07 AM
Australia is how far from Indonesia?
Far enough.

Once you get across the thousands kilometres of water, you have dense rainforest and crocodiles to look forward to.[/b][/quote]
Do you live in Australia on another planet!!?!??

We are in one of the most dangerous positions of all ... some might say sitting ducks ...

Not much advantage having all that coast line when we don't have enough defense personal to protect it .... hmmmm?

And think how much spare land there is for terrorists to hide & set up camps ... there have already been some discovered according to the media.

Not sure how that rainforest is going to help us much either ....

and no ... we aren't far enough from indonesia.

:rolleyes:

at least we don't have to worry much about petty crime ... that's pretty low here LOL

[Torone]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 22 2003, 10:14 AM
One thing we were taught in USSR I learned well to use it here:
"Hero dies only ONCE, coward dies every day"

I fly, travel, and won't let terrorists disrupt my life and make me die EVERY DAY....
Unfortunately, terrorists have disrupted my way of making a living; and probably permanently. I'm still driving for a day job; and whenever the terror alert goes up, the chem plants add more layers of security. It took me over an hour yesterday to get from the security gate of one plant to their shipping & receiving. It used to take 10 minutes.

As for my own time, I still control that.

Safety? I live in Houston, the home of much of the country's energy production. If terrorism ceased to exist today, this place would still be very dangerous to live in. Add that it is a totally Liberal city and the effect that has on crime rates; and you might wonder (as I do!) why anyone would live here. We hear of several murders every day. Many shootings happen between vehicles on the street; but you never hear much about it on the national news.

Give me a small town anytime! :grrr:

Oh, and Pd, I'm just biding my time...your day's comin'...



Last edited by Torone at Dec 23 2003, 07:03 AM

[kath]

I live out in the middle of nowhere.

If anything I'd think terrorists would feel sorry for those of us who live out here - I mean, there's no Fry's - no Red Lobster and we don't even have a Super Wal-Mart like some of those other small, hick towns. :ph34r:

But... we are in the desert (birds of a feather?) and we DO have the 29 Palms Marine Base out here just a few miles from our city....

I don't think one area is safer than any other. Shit happens. It doesn't matter if you live in a big city, on an island, in the rainforest or in the middle of a corn field. Shit happens.

How you live your life despite the potential for shit happening is what really matters. :okthumb:

[Peaches]

Now I'm reading that the "chatter" whomever hears the "chatter" is hearing says they might target rural areas to let everyone know that no area is safe. :zoinks:

I've got my canned soup, water and firewood. :P

[Hubby]

I don't drive for a day job, but I do work on a military base. The security checks get tighter every time they do this. I have 3 different IDs (not including my Drivers Licence). One to get on the base, one to get in the building I work in and my company ID. They alll have to be visable "at all times", so everyone walking around has badges hanging off of them in one way or another. The gates to get on the base have small "bunkers" set up just inside them with rifles and more sitting at the ready, aimed at the gate and manned at all times should something happen. One of the IDs is also the card that I have to swipe to get into the building. Once again they have disabled all but two of the external door card readers, so you have to go in one of the two doors that lead past the security office to get to the inner door that you need to swipe your ID to get passed. It can be a pain sometimes, but if it will help keep things safe, I don't mind.

Sometimes it does make us want to say that old joke though ---
"Badges!! We don't need no stinkin' badges!!!" :woo:



Last edited by Hubby at Dec 23 2003, 03:48 PM

[ulfie]

Just to play devils advocate. If someone lobs a cannister of poisin gas over the fence how do these badges protect you?

[Hubby]

Concidering the fence is about a half a mile away from the building, I don't think I will need any help.

(Not to mention if you are running up to the gate with something in your hand and not declaring who you are with ID in the other hand, you had better be ready to be taken down, by deadly force if nessesary.)



Last edited by Hubby at Dec 23 2003, 04:09 PM

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Dec 23 2003, 07:59 AM
Unfortunately, terrorists have disrupted my way of making a living; and probably permanently. I'm still driving for a day job; and whenever the terror alert goes up, the chem plants add more layers of security. It took me over an hour yesterday to get from the security gate of one plant to their shipping & receiving. It used to take 10 minutes.

As for my own time, I still control that.

Safety? I live in Houston, the home of much of the country's energy production. If terrorism ceased to exist today, this place would still be very dangerous to live in. Add that it is a totally Liberal city and the effect that has on crime rates; and you might wonder (as I do!) why anyone would live here. We hear of several murders every day. Many shootings happen between vehicles on the street; but you never hear much about it on the national news.

Give me a small town anytime! :grrr:

Oh, and Pd, I'm just biding my time...your day's comin'...
Sorry to hear that things have turned into a hassle for you. I grew up in St. Louis, home (at the time) of McDonnell-Douglas, Monsanto and Mallinkrodt Chemical, and a couple of federal agencies that have no glamour but would have been first-strike targets.

I moved to bumfuck, Illinois to get the hell away from urban life - and I miss it about as much as I miss that abcessed wisdom tooth I had.

BTW, the girlfriend's son will be back in Iraq by March 1.

But about that last bit - are you threatening me? Do you have contracts in the Amish alQaida? Should I be looking for buggies with silencers on the wheels to haul me away? DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME I WON'T EVEN GET A BLACK GOVERNMENT CAR? :yowsa:

[Hubby]

Another funny thing though, after I get on the base, the street that I drive down goes straight into the assault craft section. So there is yet another gate within the base to get to that section, again with rifles and all. Lucky for me I turn on another street just before I get to that gate. :)

[Peaches]

Another thing I noticed in Marietta today (where Dobbins AFB is located) there wasn't a time when I looked in the sky and didn't see a military plane up there and it was usually 2-3.

[JR]

i feel less safe living around people who feel less safe

its not being scared that scares me. its the people that are scared that scare me.

[ulfie]

Originally posted by Hubby@Dec 23 2003, 06:58 PM
Concidering the fence is about a half a mile away from the building, I don't think I will need any help.

(Not to mention if you are running up to the gate with something in your hand and not declaring who you are with ID in the other hand, you had better be ready to be taken down, by deadly force if nessesary.)
A gas attack could pollute square miles so it wouldn't really be necessary to "run up to the gate" to execute one. All you need to do is see which way the wind is blowing. As far as the bombers getting wasted goes I think they kind of expect that and their 40 virgins from allah.

I don't think it will happen but I'm bored tonight so I thought I would make some worthless posts.

[Hubby]

Originally posted by ulfie+Dec 23 2003, 04:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ulfie @ Dec 23 2003, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Hubby@Dec 23 2003, 06:58 PM
Concidering the fence is about a half a mile away from the building, I don't think I will need any help.

(Not to mention if you are running up to the gate with something in your hand and not declaring who you are with ID in the other hand, you had better be ready to be taken down, by deadly force if nessesary.)
A gas attack could pollute square miles so it wouldn't really be necessary to "run up to the gate" to execute one. All you need to do is see which way the wind is blowing. As far as the bombers getting wasted goes I think they kind of expect that and their 40 virgins from allah.

I don't think it will happen but I'm bored tonight so I thought I would make some worthless posts.[/b][/quote]
I thought it was 70 virgins,
or mabye it was 70 Virginians.
That would be a sight to see,

Allah: For all you have done in my name, here are your Virginians.
Terrorist: Virginians?!?! I thought it was virgin girls for my pleasure?
Allah: That was a misprint. It is Virginians, like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, etc.
Terrorist: But those are all former Presidents of the evil capitalist United States. How can this be right?
Allah: I felt that you should get your just desserts for all that you have done in my name.
Terrorist: :blink:
Allah: :agrin:

[Carrie]

lmfao@hubby

Ulfie when the original bombing went down they *did* verify that some terrorists had driven back and forth in front of the gates at that base and a few others taking pictures.
At the time the big scare was that they'd get what looks like a mosquito sprayer and plunk it into the back of the pickup (a common sight around here and would hardly be noticed); drive down the road in front of the base and just let the thing blow biological clouds of nastyness the whole way through.

People would just assume it was a mosquito spraying... until folks started dropping dead.

[ulfie]

Originally posted by Hubby+Dec 23 2003, 09:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hubby @ Dec 23 2003, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -ulfie@Dec 23 2003, 04:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Hubby@Dec 23 2003, 06:58 PM
Concidering the fence is about a half a mile away from the building, I don't think I will need any help.

(Not to mention if you are running up to the gate with something in your hand and not declaring who you are with ID in the other hand, you had better be ready to be taken down, by deadly force if nessesary.)
A gas attack could pollute square miles so it wouldn't really be necessary to "run up to the gate" to execute one. All you need to do is see which way the wind is blowing. As far as the bombers getting wasted goes I think they kind of expect that and their 40 virgins from allah.

I don't think it will happen but I'm bored tonight so I thought I would make some worthless posts.
I thought it was 70 virgins,
or mabye it was 70 Virginians.
That would be a sight to see,

Allah: For all you have done in my name, here are your Virginians.
Terrorist: Virginians?!?! I thought it was virgin girls for my pleasure?
Allah: That was a misprint. It is Virginians, like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, etc.
Terrorist: But those are all former Presidents of the evil capitalist United States. How can this be right?
Allah: I felt that you should get your just desserts for all that you have done in my name.
Terrorist: :blink:
Allah: :agrin:[/b][/quote]
hahahahaha, that's great. :okthumb:

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 23 2003, 05:59 PM
Sorry to hear that things have turned into a hassle for you. I grew up in St. Louis, home (at the time) of McDonnell-Douglas, Monsanto and Mallinkrodt Chemical, and a couple of federal agencies that have no glamour but would have been first-strike targets.

I moved to bumfuck, Illinois to get the hell away from urban life - and I miss it about as much as I miss that abcessed wisdom tooth I had.

BTW, the girlfriend's son will be back in Iraq by March 1.

But about that last bit - are you threatening me? Do you have contracts in the Amish alQaida? Should I be looking for buggies with silencers on the wheels to haul me away? DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME I WON'T EVEN GET A BLACK GOVERNMENT CAR? :yowsa:
By March 1, there may not be an Iraq...The anti-Bush people are practically accusing him of stealing it. In either case, I wish your g/f's son the best.

Threaten you? Nah! Just a prediction...We might be witnessing the implosion of the Democommie party. :nyanya:

As for the car, "Look right here...". :biglaugh:

[Pornwolf]

I've lived in Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and NYC. I have traveled extensively just about everywhere else worthwhile and I have to say Manhattan is the safest place I've ever lived. It's hard for somone to kill you when you have 20 other people on the same block as you at the same time 24 hours a day. I often take a walk at 4am and grab a bite at one of the many quality restaurants that are still open at that hour without a care in the world. The policemen are also pretty darn nice.

We don't even think about the terrorists. The truth is really that people in NY think about the terrorist threat 5 times less than people everywhere else. Kinda ironic huh? :biglaugh: