Is it bad karma to fire someone right before Xmas?

[BradShaw]

I came back from honeyoom relaxed with a sharp ax.

Your thoughts?

[Buff]

I was just joking about Greg! He says nothing but nice things about you and is a complete suck-up bitch. Keep him on, please.



Last edited by Buff at Dec 14 2003, 06:17 PM

[Peaches]

Yes. MCI laid off me and several hundred other workers right before Christmas. Just look what happened to MCI/Worldcom. B)

[BradShaw]

What about right before Hanukkah?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Dec 14 2003, 08:22 PM
What about right before Hanukkah?
Wait until January 15. :okthumb:

[Peaches]

Why are you in such a hatchet mood anyway? You just got married and spent a week on a honeymoon - you should be the happiest you've ever been and nothing should bother you. :)

[Hooper]

better to fire them before the holidays so they can budget their spending wisely.

i just had to let somebody go a few days ago and it was hard, but i gave him a good severance package and 30 days notice and while i know he's disappointed, i dont think he harbors any ill will cause i did it *right*.

If however this employee is reading to much espn... fire him on the 24th, no notice and $1.00 in severance. Or as Kinky Friedman says... "Fuck em & Feed em Fruit Loops!"

[Rolo]

I let 2 people go 2 weeks ago... had no moral problem with it, and so far sales are looking good for December :)

[cherrylula]

Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 08:32 PM
Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.
you had a good plan going up to the
"Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible."
which explain why you haven't progressed in business much...

if you posted:
Then SELL their ORGANS,
you'd get MY seal of approval!
;-)))

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 14 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 14 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 08:32 PM
Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.
you had a good plan going up to the
"Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible."
which explain why you haven't progressed in business much...

if you posted:
Then SELL their ORGANS,
you'd get MY seal of approval!
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Hey, I just try to keep the really dirty stuff off the boards.

btw- those kidneys are in if you are still interested.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 08:42 PM

Hey, I just try to keep the really dirty stuff off the boards.

btw- those kidneys are in if you are still interested.
kidneys? mine are better, they got stones!
(you should have seen the stone I pissed out the oither day - 3 carats minimum!)

do you have a CLEAN liver, by any chance?

[cherrylula]

My liver is the least of my concerns.

Its clean and most important, its paid off.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 09:02 PM
My liver is the least of my concerns.

Its clean and most important, its paid off.
are you selling or just teasing me?
;-)))

[cherrylula]

Not for sale.

:groucho:

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 14 2003, 04:24 PM
Why are you in such a hatchet mood anyway? You just got married and spent a week on a honeymoon - you should be the happiest you've ever been and nothing should bother you. :)
Personally, I have never been happier. Biz is Biz. As a successful businessman, I am not a fan of dead weight in my company.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by BradShaw+Dec 14 2003, 09:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BradShaw @ Dec 14 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 14 2003, 04:24 PM
Why are you in such a hatchet mood anyway? You just got married and spent a week on a honeymoon - you should be the happiest you've ever been and nothing should bother you. :)
Personally, I have never been happier. Biz is Biz. As a successful businessman, I am not a fan of dead weight in my company.[/b][/quote]
Brad, I have NEVER seen "successful businessman" complaining on the boards about dead weight in their companies.....especially 1 days later after the honeymoon....

but...we, the Oprano, always willing to help, even the "successful businessman"...
putting 1 and 1 together...
FIRE LAURA!
;-))))

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 14 2003, 06:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 14 2003, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -BradShaw@Dec 14 2003, 09:26 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 14 2003, 04:24 PM
Why are you in such a hatchet mood anyway? You just got married and spent a week on a honeymoon - you should be the happiest you've ever been and nothing should bother you. :)
Personally, I have never been happier. Biz is Biz. As a successful businessman, I am not a fan of dead weight in my company.
Brad, I have NEVER seen "successful businessman" complaining on the boards about dead weight in their companies.....especially 1 days later after the honeymoon....

but...we, the Oprano, always willing to help, even the "successful businessman"...
putting 1 and 1 together...
FIRE LAURA!
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Laura was promoted to Mrs. She is above being fired;-)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Dec 14 2003, 07:13 PM
I came back from honeyoom relaxed with a sharp ax.

Your thoughts?
Bad form..and quite tasteless.
But if your going to fire em...fucking man up and do it instead of sweating them by having them all read oprano and wonder which it is.

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by gonzo+Dec 14 2003, 06:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Dec 14 2003, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Dec 14 2003, 07:13 PM
I came back from honeyoom relaxed with a sharp ax.

Your thoughts?
Bad form..and quite tasteless.
But if your going to fire em...fucking man up and do it instead of sweating them by having them all read oprano and wonder which it is.[/b][/quote]
Who says they even have computers? I have never liked firing people, but sometimes to move forward, you have to make sacrifices.

[Candice]

on the part of the employees, of course they will feel very bad!! :(

[Carrie]

I'd say if you do let him go, do it before christmas so he can take the majority of his gifts back and get that debt off of his back, and give him a month's severance pay. That way he'll still have time to find a job in time to pay the bills even though folks are going to be taking so much time off for christmas, new year's, and Internext.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 14 2003, 09:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 14 2003, 09:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 09:02 PM
My liver is the least of my concerns.

Its clean and most important, its paid off.
are you selling or just teasing me?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Does the liver include Fava Beans and a nice Chianti?http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/chef1.gif


Brad - does the employee deserve to be terminated?
If so what does any Holiday have to do with due process of termination?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Vick+Dec 15 2003, 02:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Dec 15 2003, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 14 2003, 09:07 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 09:02 PM
My liver is the least of my concerns.

Its clean and most important, its paid off.
are you selling or just teasing me?
;-)))
Does the liver include Fava Beans and a nice Chianti?http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/chef1.gif


Brad - does the employee deserve to be terminated?
If so what does any Holiday have to do with due process of termination?[/b][/quote]
It's the difference between having employees that just clock in and do their time, and having employees that will go the extra mile for you because they know they're more to you than a number.

You had a key phrase there though - due process. Has this employee been warned, verbally and on paper? (In Texas I think it isn't necessary to do that though. It's still good practice nonetheless.)

[Billy]

Brad.. tell Laura I still like her.. even though she does not like me..
Dont fire me before xmas.. 1 job was enough for the year

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Dec 14 2003, 09:42 PM

Laura was promoted to Mrs. She is above being fired;-)
I fired my wife...hey, even Tom Hagen got fired and was no longer the part of all family buisnesses
;-)))

My wife has been fired from "family business" to be fully involved in the family business
;-)))

...Sue now sues every contractor in sight who worked on our pool....
;-)))))))

[Wizzo]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 15 2003, 02:32 AM
(In Texas I think it isn't necessary to do that though. It's still good practice nonetheless.)


You are correct, it's a Right to work, right to fire state! :)

[shawcutie]

Hey!!! :(

I was fired!! Now the only raise I'll ever get will be in Mr. Shaws pants ;)

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by shawcutie@Dec 15 2003, 07:28 PM
Hey!!! :(

I was fired!! Now the only raise I'll ever get will be in Mr. Shaws pants ;)
Consider it a promotion. :inlove:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 14 2003, 08:32 PM
Why not just tie them to a tree, and shoot them?

Much less painful.

Then donate on their behalf, tax deductible.


I like the way you think!!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by shawcutie@Dec 15 2003, 10:28 PM
Hey!!! :(

I was fired!! Now the only raise I'll ever get will be in Mr. Shaws pants ;)
sweetheart, we knew it all along yesterday...
;-)))

[Edd]

Brad - allow me to properly answer your original question.

Q. Is it bad karma to fire someone right before Xmas?

A. No, it is not. It IS bad karma to fire someone ON Xmas, not before.

Some may think its tacky to "release employees of obligations" near the holidays, but the buddha does not.

Om-mani-padme-om

[chodadog]

What's the bet that the productivity of SIC employees went up 50% since this thread started. :biglaugh:

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by chodadog@Dec 16 2003, 07:25 AM
What's the bet that the productivity of SIC employees went up 50% since this thread started. :biglaugh:
I will take that bet. Cut one person loose yesterday, not Mrs. Shaw. She is on permanent leave. Never like letting people go, but at times you gotta go what you gotta go.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by BradShaw+Dec 16 2003, 11:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BradShaw @ Dec 16 2003, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--chodadog@Dec 16 2003, 07:25 AM
What's the bet that the productivity of SIC employees went up 50% since this thread started. :biglaugh:
I will take that bet. Cut one person loose yesterday, not Mrs. Shaw. She is on permanent leave. Never like letting people go, but at times you gotta go what you gotta go.[/b][/quote]


Sometimes business decisions have to be made....

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 14 2003, 04:20 PM
Yes. MCI laid off me and several hundred other workers right before Christmas. Just look what happened to MCI/Worldcom. B)
Which year were you laid off? I beat a couple of those, then I left the company and went to Broadwing and wound up getting laid off before Thanksgiving a few years ago. I was with MCI for years and they laid off a lot of people a few times. When I was in engineering I remember people just walking out with boxes seemed like the office was just empty when they did it too.

Andy

[Peaches]

Originally posted by AcidMaX+Dec 17 2003, 09:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AcidMaX @ Dec 17 2003, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 14 2003, 04:20 PM
Yes. MCI laid off me and several hundred other workers right before Christmas. Just look what happened to MCI/Worldcom. B)
Which year were you laid off? I beat a couple of those, then I left the company and went to Broadwing and wound up getting laid off before Thanksgiving a few years ago. I was with MCI for years and they laid off a lot of people a few times. When I was in engineering I remember people just walking out with boxes seemed like the office was just empty when they did it too.

Andy[/b][/quote]
This was back in 1986 (I'm old :awinky: ). It worked out great - my boss was really pissed off that MCI was doing it and instead of making sure we were escorted out the door with only our personal belongings, he loaded up boxes of business supplies for us and helped us carry it to our cars. In addition, he AND his boss gave us letterhead, told us to write our own recommendation letters and signed them. :P

I received 3 months severance including insurance and had a job with Sprint w/in a few days which didn't start until after the first of the year, so I had a nice 3 week paid vacation. B)

MCI actually called about a month later offering me job back - at a one grade lower payscale, lol!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by BradShaw+Dec 16 2003, 11:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BradShaw @ Dec 16 2003, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--chodadog@Dec 16 2003, 07:25 AM
What's the bet that the productivity of SIC employees went up 50% since this thread started. :biglaugh:
I will take that bet. Cut one person loose yesterday, not Mrs. Shaw. She is on permanent leave. Never like letting people go, but at times you gotta go what you gotta go.[/b][/quote]
Better to do it now rather than next week........

[LeeNoga]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Dec 16 2003, 08:13 PM
Never like letting people go, but at times you gotta go what you gotta go.
Nope.

I think you meant.

"Ya gotta do what ya gotta do"

[Hell Puppy]

If someone needs to be fired for cause, cover your ass, follow procedure to stay out of trouble with the local department of labor and fire their ass without regard to when it is. They did it to themselves, they have it coming...

If it's a cost reducing move or eliminating of a position due to changing business conditions or however you want to phrase it and not due to the performance of the worker...well that's a different story. That's no fault of the worker, that's the fault of the President and CEO, buck stops at the top. I'd probably wait before impacting a family at Christmas if at all possible and would probably try to provide some severence.

But more importantly, what do you do for your employees who do bust their ass all year long at Christmas to let 'em know you appreciate 'em?

[PeerPatrick]

Do it Jan 1, fuck it, you got the scratch to carry the dead weight a few more weeks- or do it now. If you do it now can you get it on video so I can send it out as a cruel reminder to my folk here?

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by PeerPatrick@Dec 19 2003, 09:36 AM
Do it Jan 1, fuck it, you got the scratch to carry the dead weight a few more weeks- or do it now. If you do it now can you get it on video so I can send it out as a cruel reminder to my folk here?
One down, no telling how many more to go. Simple, do your job and make me $, keep it. Do not do it, you can work for some idiot in this biz.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Dec 19 2003, 12:59 PM
Do not do it, you can work for some idiot in this biz.
are you talking about self employed people?
;-)))

[WEBAIR]

trim the fat if they're not pulling their weithg especially. If you want to be nice wait till after new years