7 year old Gets Busted For Explaining GAY

[KRL]

What a bunch of bullshit to discipline a kid over this.


Boy's Talk of His Gay Mothers Sets Off Furor in Louisiana

A 7-year-old Louisiana boy was disciplined by his elementary school for telling a second-grade classmate that he had two mothers and explaining that gay meant "when a girl likes a girl," the American Civil Liberties Union says.

The incident occurred when the class was lined up for recess and a classmate asked Marcus about his mother and father. Marcus responded that he had two mothers, not a mother and father. When the other child asked why, Marcus told him that it was because his mother was gay. The other child then asked what that meant, and Marcus explained, "Gay is when a girl likes another girl."

According to the A.C.L.U. account, Marcus's teacher scolded him in front of his classmates, told him that "gay" is a bad word he should not say in school, and then sent him to the principal's office.

The boy, Marcus McLaurin, was referred to the school's behavior clinic, where he was ordered to write the sentence "I will never say the word `gay' in school again" over and over, the civil liberties group said.

The group has written to the Ernest Gallet Elementary School in Youngsville, La., demanding that it remove all mention of the incident from Marcus's record, refrain from restricting his speech in the future, and apologize to him and his mother.

"The school called me the day it happened and said Marcus was in trouble for using foul language, and behaving inappropriately," the boy's biological mother, Sharon Huff, said. "I didn't know what he'd said because the assistant principal said he didn't feel comfortable repeating it over the phone. He told me Marcus would bring home a note. I was imagining something horrible. But when Marcus came home with the note, all it said was that he'd told another child I was gay, and explained what gay meant."

Administrators at the school in Youngsville, 57 miles southwest of Baton Rouge, did not return calls. But Dr. H. James Easton, the superintendent of the Lafayette Parish School System, released a statement yesterday disputing the A.C.L.U. account and saying the school's actions had nothing to do with the issue of sexual orientation.

"I have concluded," he said, "that the discipline was related to ordinary student disturbances, which were hindering the classroom learning process and which were addressed in an appropriate fashion by the teacher and school administrator."

He added, "The student was not belittled or embarrassed and this entire matter was reported based on a lack of accurate information."

Ms. Huff, who moved to Louisiana six months ago to be with her partner, Heather Manley, said Marcus had not previously faced any problem about having two mothers and seemed withdrawn after the Nov. 11 incident at school.

"To tell a 7-year-old boy that he can't talk about his family not only makes that child feel confused and hurt, it violates his constitutional right to free speech and equal treatment," said Ken Choe, a lawyer for American Civil Liberties Lesbian and Gay Rights Project who is handling the matter.

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Last edited by KRL at Dec 3 2003, 10:08 AM

[sarah_webinc]

they were on BBC overnight radio last night. It is shameful.

[gigi]

ABsolutely pathetic....that poor boy. :cryin:

Added:
Ya know, notice how the super didn't say exactly what 'really' happened according to the school's account? If the ACLU's account was truly 'fictional' as he claims, you'd think he'd want to clear that up with specifics no? *shakes head*





Last edited by gigi at Dec 3 2003, 07:40 AM

[cherrylula]

Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???

I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.

Kids say stupid things, and do not realize it. Its a shame to see such a burden placed on such a young kid having to explain his mom's sex life to his friends at school when it is totally not necessary. Especially in the south!

Love the pic, wonder which one is "dad," its hard to tell.

[Buff]

Little brat deserved to be disciplined -- that's not an accurate definition of the word.

[KRL]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 10:54 AM

Love the pic, wonder which one is "dad," its hard to tell.
They both look like "dads". :blink:

[cherrylula]

And if the parents were cocksmokers, and not lesbians, you can be sure they would be trying to take the kid away from them.

[Vick]

I hereby nominate Ernest Gallet Elementary School for the Assclown of the year Award


What a backwards bunch

[cherrylula]

Hey what the hell... someone should design a line of kids clothing, call it GAY brand for kids. Teach them about GAY as soon as possible.

Maybe even do BABY GAY, and dress them up like little gay boys and girls so they grasp it early on in life. Help them understand what gay means!

Button up style shirts for the girls, pleated slacks, maybe some butch boots, and pink overalls for the boys... it will be smashing!

[Vick]

It's just like any fad it retracts before impact
And just like fashion it's a passion for the with it and hip
If you got the goods they'll come and buy it just to stay in the clique

:D

[Fletch XXX]

just proof that even 2 moms cant raise a kid correctly.

without dad women will FUCK UP KIDS.

[Diamond Jim]

It's stupid shit like this that forces PD to be a liberal.... :yowsa:

I don't remember seeing this couple or any females that look like them on any of the lesbian paysites *I'VE* seen....

Maybe the ACLU should do something about that while they're on the case....

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 3 2003, 10:06 AM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/12/02/national/GAY-184.jpg

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:34 AM
just proof that even 2 moms cant raise a kid correctly.

without dad women will FUCK UP KIDS.
I disagree. Mothers are the ones that instill the most in kids. My father was always away on business, never got to see him as much growing up.

My mother was a gem and gave us a great upbringing.



Last edited by KRL at Dec 3 2003, 11:41 AM

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 08:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 08:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:34 AM
just proof that even 2 moms cant raise a kid correctly.

without dad women will FUCK UP KIDS.
I disagree. Mothers are the ones that instill the most in kids. My father was always away on business, never got to see him as much growing up.

My mother was a gem and gave us a great upbringing.[/b][/quote]
you are telling this to a person who met his real father ONCE.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Dec 3 2003, 08:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Dec 3 2003, 08:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>It's stupid shit like this that forces PD to be a liberal.... :yowsa:

I don't remember seeing this couple or any females that look like them on any of the lesbian paysites *I'VE* seen....

Maybe the ACLU should do something about that while they're on the case....

<!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 3 2003, 10:06 AM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/12/02/national/GAY-184.jpg[/b][/quote]
OOHH! new niche! REALITY LESBIANS!

No lipstick lesbos with long blonde hair, nice hooters, and sweet curves. It'll be all bull dykes! Short curly hair, round bodies, and the story will be one lady building another lady a house while she lifts weights.

It'll be great.

[cherrylula]

And they can all take trips together to the Supercuts to get their mullets trimmed!

[Fletch XXX]

KRL: would you allow your child to live with two moms and be taught about being gay at age 7? HOw long have they been teaching this kid these things?

My point was simple, if dad was around maybe things could be different?

Despite not seeinjg him often, dad still laid the law down, did he not?

Sure moms instill the most in us, but there ARE certain things I feel women CANNOT teach their kids, and for one reason or the other, it involves the bonds between a father and son.

No desprespect to single moms, my mom was one. Somewhat still is and has 3 children.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 08:50 AM

[Diamond Jim]

You guys laugh, but this clearly represents injustice in the system. This is the final evidence needed to prove that market forces do not work and do not fairly care for the disenfranchised in our society.

FREE BULL DYKES FROM THE TYRANNY OF HOT BABES!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:50 PM
My point was simple, if dad was around maybe things could be different?
"Could be different" in what way? What has the kid done wrong? Where has anyone said he is anything except a well balanced 7 year old? What do you want "different"? Could the dad being around somehow stop the school from acting like a bunch of idiots? :unsure:

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 08:50 AM


FREE BULL DYKES FROM THE TYRANNY OF HOT BABES!
I thought all lesbians had long blone hair and big fake tits?

:grrr:

[Peaches]

BTW, my kid knew what "gay" when he was around 7 as his gym teacher was about as butch as they come (and had a female "partner"). Maybe if his dad was around, he would have had a different gym teacher. :P

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 08:53 AM
Could the dad being around somehow stop the school from acting like a bunch of idiots? :unsure:
Replace SCHOOL with MOMS.

The answer is yes.

"Mommy, what's a carpet muncher?"



Last edited by cherrylula at Dec 3 2003, 09:01 AM

[KRL]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 3 2003, 11:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 3 2003, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 08:40 AM
It's stupid shit like this that forces PD to be a liberal.... :yowsa:

I don't remember seeing this couple or any females that look like them on any of the lesbian paysites *I'VE* seen....

Maybe the ACLU should do something about that while they're on the case....

<!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 3 2003, 10:06 AM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/12/02/national/GAY-184.jpg
OOHH! new niche! REALITY LESBIANS!

No lipstick lesbos with long blonde hair, nice hooters, and sweet curves. It'll be all bull dykes! Short curly hair, round bodies, and the story will be one lady building another lady a house while she lifts weights.

It'll be great.[/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: Its funny butch to butch means they're thinking like 2 men that are gay. Its kind of like being double gay. Interesting psychologically.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 01:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 08:53 AM
Could the dad being around somehow stop the school from acting like a bunch of idiots? :unsure:
Replace SCHOOL with MOMS.

The answer is yes.

"Mommy, what's a carpet muncher?"[/b][/quote]
The MOMS are acting like a bunch of idiots? Interesting concept. :unsure:

Any kid who's watched South Park either already knows or has already asked what a "carpet muncher" is (and I bet these kids have DADS at home :P ).

Not to mention there are one or two TV shows with very visible gay characters. And let's not forget the Teletubbies. B)

[Vick]

Once again Diamond Jim is the voice of logic and reason

I agree FREE THE BULL DYKES!!!

BULL DYKES SHOULD DEMAND EQUAL REPRESENTATION

[KRL]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 11:55 AM
BTW, my kid knew what "gay" when he was around 7 as his gym teacher was about as butch as they come (and had a female "partner"). Maybe if his dad was around, he would have had a different gym teacher. :P
My kid is 9 and he knows what is means too. Its pretty hard for kids not to learn it with it all over TV like it is now.

I told him there is nothing wrong with people being gay it just means two people of the same sex love each other.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 11:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 08:50 AM


FREE BULL DYKES FROM THE TYRANNY OF HOT BABES!
I thought all lesbians had long blone hair and big fake tits?

:grrr:[/b][/quote]
Not under the tyrannical freedom of capitalism they don't! Too much freedom of choice messes up the works....

When the revolution comes and the Worker's Paradise is established, the beloved and much revered credo "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" will finally be put into place, and the need for a bull dyke to finally make it with a hot blonde babe with big tits will be realized.

[gigi]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 07:54 AM
Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???

I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.

Kids say stupid things, and do not realize it. Its a shame to see such a burden placed on such a young kid having to explain his mom's sex life to his friends at school when it is totally not necessary. Especially in the south!

Love the pic, wonder which one is "dad," its hard to tell.
You've got to be kidding.

The boy was ASKED about his mother and father. If he is living with two mom's, and he didn't know what gay was, how the HELL would he be able to understand it and express it to those who ask??

If the child didn't have gay parents, then he/she might not have questions....but the fact that the child LIVES with two gay people (who he LOVES btw), it would be logical for him to understand at least the basics.

From his answer to the other child's question, it seems he was given just that. A BASIC understanding of the meaning of being 'gay' in relation to HIS experience.....two women.

And BTW, this isn't about his mother's 'SEX LIFE', it's about her sexual orientation...hahaha.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 3 2003, 01:03 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Its funny butch to butch means they're thinking like 2 men that are gay. Its kind of like being double gay. Interesting psychologically.
Some friends of mine who are married where the male is VERY feminine and the woman is VERY butch. My theory has always been that they're both gay, they just don't realize it. :P

[Vick]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 12:04 PM
let's not forget the Teletubbies. B)
Teletubbies are Evil - :grrr:

and not allowed in my home

[Vick]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 12:05 PM
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" will finally be put into place, and the need for a bull dyke to finally make it with a hot blonde babe with big tits will be realized.
Does that include me?
if I NEED two 21 year young babes to service and support me and the revolution guarantees I'll get them I may have to change my life long stance and support it

[Fletch XXX]

i wonder if either of them can cook?

which one does the most cleaning?

who does the laundry?

do they switch off, or is it a family thing with little 'GOnna Be Gay Son' and the 2 moms doing all the chores a s a family event?

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by gigi+Dec 3 2003, 09:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Dec 3 2003, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 07:54 AM
Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???

I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.

Kids say stupid things, and do not realize it. Its a shame to see such a burden placed on such a young kid having to explain his mom's sex life to his friends at school when it is totally not necessary. Especially in the south!

Love the pic, wonder which one is "dad," its hard to tell.
You've got to be kidding.

The boy was ASKED about his mother and father. If he is living with two mom's, and he didn't know what gay was, how the HELL would he be able to understand it and express it to those who ask??

If the child didn't have gay parents, then he/she might not have questions....but the fact that the child LIVES with two gay people (who he LOVES btw), it would be logical for him to understand at least the basics.

From his answer to the other child's question, it seems he was given just that. A BASIC understanding of the meaning of being 'gay' in relation to HIS experience.....two women.

And BTW, this isn't about his mother's 'SEX LIFE', it's about her sexual orientation...hahaha.[/b][/quote]
Whats wrong with telling the kids they are roomies?

You can tell a 7 year old all you want about the meaning of GAY, he is STILL not going to understand and comprehend it. A kid that young does not need to explain or defend his parents living situation in the first place.

It IS about the mother's sex life, cause if she wasn't fucking the female she lived with there would not be any question of why they are living together.

I have known plenty of single moms who live together raising their kids and are NOT gay.

And again, if they were gay men some of you would be singing a whole different tune.

Its SO sad the burden some people place on their children in todays world.



Last edited by cherrylula at Dec 3 2003, 09:13 AM

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:50 AM
KRL: would you allow your child to live with two moms and be taught about being gay at age 7? HOw long have they been teaching this kid these things?

My point was simple, if dad was around maybe things could be different?

Despite not seeinjg him often, dad still laid the law down, did he not?

Sure moms instill the most in us, but there ARE certain things I feel women CANNOT teach their kids, and for one reason or the other, it involves the bonds between a father and son.

No desprespect to single moms, my mom was one. Somewhat still is and has 3 children.
Like I posted above Fletch, my son is 9 and learned about gays at the same age as this kid. Gay is everywhere. He asked me to expand on what it was beyond what his understanding of it was and I tried to explain as best I could.

I don't have a problem with someone being Gay. I've had a couple good friends over the years that happened to be gay and hey if that's your thing so be it.

I think they should have full legal rights like straight people do also.

On the father mother subject. Yeh, my dad laid down the law, but it was my mother that was the law. He was a softy compared to her. Couldn't get anything past her ever watchful doting eyes. She was a bit over protective I think to compensate for the fact my father was up in New York City so much or traveling all over. I really owe everything I am to her, much more so than my dad. He was a great father and I have no complaints other than I found out later in life he had a lot of girlfriends on the side and I resented the fact that he had free time to come home to the family and instead spent that extra time with his girlfriends up in NYC after work.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 01:10 PM
i wonder if either of them can cook?

which one does the most cleaning?

who does the laundry?
Seems to me those are the exact same questions asked in a "straight" household. :P

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 09:10 AM
i wonder if either of them can cook?

which one does the most cleaning?

who does the laundry?

do they switch off, or is it a family thing with little 'GOnna Be Gay Son' and the 2 moms doing all the chores a s a family event?
I bet they arm wrestle to decide who does what.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 3 2003, 09:11 AM


On the father mother subject. Yeh, my dad laid down the law, but it was my mother that was the law. He was a softy compared to her. Couldn't get anything past her ever watchful doting eyes. She was a bit over protective I think to compensate for the fact my father was up in New York City so much or traveling all over. I really owe everything I am to her, much more so than my dad. He was a great father and I have no complaints other than I found out later in life he had a lot of girlfriends on the side and I resented the fact that he had free time to come home to the family and instead spent that extra time with his girlfriends up in NYC after work.
Everyone's experience is different.

What about the kids with whore moms who dont raise their kid and cheat on their husbands?

Bad moms and cheating dads are more common than gay people.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 09:15 AM

[sarah_webinc]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 08:42 AM

OOHH! new niche! REALITY LESBIANS!

No lipstick lesbos with long blonde hair, nice hooters, and sweet curves. It'll be all bull dykes! Short curly hair, round bodies, and the story will be one lady building another lady a house while she lifts weights.

It'll be great.
I already have such a site ..real lesbians like porn too

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:10 PM
i wonder if either of them can cook?

which one does the most cleaning?

who does the laundry?

do they switch off, or is it a family thing with little 'GOnna Be Gay Son' and the 2 moms doing all the chores a s a family event?
I think its a hard situation. I can only imagine the ridicule that little kid will have to endure in his years ahead.

We live in a sexually upside down world now. Before things we're kept in the closet. Now there is no more closet.

There's always the debate about are you born gay or do you just become gay.

I think its in the genes and that's why people have a tendency to end up in that alternative lifestyle.

I always wondered if the really garish gay men talk that way just to differentiate themselves profoundly from straight men or if that's really how their vocals are.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 09:14 AM

I bet they arm wrestle to decide who does what.
http://www.oddworld.au.com/misc/oddtour/day43/p8020020.jpg

some straight couples do it too!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:11 PM
I have known plenty of single moms who live together raising their kids and are NOT gay.
Based on the attitude against lesbian parents you've shown here, they very well may be gay but are worried about your reaction if they admit it to you. :(

[cherrylula]

It is a tough situation.

But the earlier they get the kid spouting off about his gay parents, the sooner he's gonna get his ass kicked out on the playground.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Vick+Dec 3 2003, 12:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Dec 3 2003, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 12:05 PM
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" will finally be put into place, and the need for a bull dyke to finally make it with a hot blonde babe with big tits will be realized.
Does that include me?
if I NEED two 21 year young babes to service and support me and the revolution guarantees I'll get them I may have to change my life long stance and support it[/b][/quote]
It applies to everyone. The state will give you a job you will do for the rest of your working life. You do that to the best of your ability. In return, all your needs will be met.

It's Utopia!

JOIN NOW! Your credit card will not be charged! We promise!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 09:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:10 PM
i wonder if either of them can cook?

which one does the most cleaning?

who does the laundry?

do they switch off, or is it a family thing with little 'GOnna Be Gay Son' and the 2 moms doing all the chores a s a family event?
I think its a hard situation. I can only imagine the ridicule that little kid will have to endure in his years ahead.

We live in a sexually upside down world now. Before things we're kept in the closet. Now there is no more closet.

There's always the debate about are you born gay or do you just become gay.

I think its in the genes and that's why people have a tendency to end up in that alternative lifestyle.

I always wondered if the really garish gay men talk that way just to differentiate themselves profoundly from straight men or if that's really how their vocals are.[/b][/quote]
I have worked with Gay Talent over the years in this biz, most of them will tell you straight up, I was born this way.

Suprisingly, I even had a gay roomate for a couple months, (please dont rag on me) hehehe and it was better to live with a gay guy than a straight guy!

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 12:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 12:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 3 2003, 09:11 AM


On the father mother subject. Yeh, my dad laid down the law, but it was my mother that was the law. He was a softy compared to her. Couldn't get anything past her ever watchful doting eyes. She was a bit over protective I think to compensate for the fact my father was up in New York City so much or traveling all over. I really owe everything I am to her, much more so than my dad. He was a great father and I have no complaints other than I found out later in life he had a lot of girlfriends on the side and I resented the fact that he had free time to come home to the family and instead spent that extra time with his girlfriends up in NYC after work.
Everyone's experience is different.

What about the kids with whore moms who dont raise their kid and cheat on their husbands?

Bad moms and cheating dads are more common than gay people.[/b][/quote]
Well, I know solidly, my mother never cheated on my father. In that era I think it was more the men. Today, yes, I think way more women cheat simply because way more women are now in the workforce and around men all day and that's were most cheating starts.

In the 50's and 60's moms stayed home, so the opportunity to cheat just wasn't there as much. Then when women's lib happened the whole thing changed and that's when women started cheating more and families started falling apart, because women stopped being moms and started being corpies.



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[FATPad]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 09:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 09:14 AM

I bet they arm wrestle to decide who does what.
http://www.oddworld.au.com/misc/oddtour/day43/p8020020.jpg

some straight couples do it too![/b][/quote]
You're like the library of congress of online pics or a picture genie or something.

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 3 2003, 09:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 3 2003, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:11 PM
I have known plenty of single moms who live together raising their kids and are NOT gay.
Based on the attitude against lesbian parents you've shown here, they very well may be gay but are worried about your reaction if they admit it to you. :([/b][/quote]
Are you ever going to grow a brain?

A few posts and you've pinpointed my attitude towards lesbian parents?

I don't discrimitate against bad parents. They are all at fault regardless of gender, race, or sexual preference.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 01:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 09:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:11 PM
I have known plenty of single moms who live together raising their kids and are NOT gay.
Based on the attitude against lesbian parents you've shown here, they very well may be gay but are worried about your reaction if they admit it to you. :(
Are you ever going to grow a brain?

A few posts and you've pinpointed my attitude towards lesbian parents?

I don't discrimitate against bad parents. They are all at fault regardless of gender, race, or sexual preference.[/b][/quote]
You and Fletch are certainly birds of a feather! :P

Obviously all I have to go by are your posts here. Obviously I stated that.
B)

[cherrylula]

and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 3 2003, 12:20 PM
Well, I know solidly, my mother never cheated on my father. In that era I think it was more the men. Today, yes, I think way more women cheat simply because way more women are now in the workforce and around men all day and that's were most cheating starts.

In the 50's and 60's moms stayed home, so the opportunity to cheat just wasn't there as much. Then when women's lib happened the whole thing changed and that's when women started cheating more and families started falling apart, because women stopped being moms and started being corpies.
Hot women have always had the availability to cheat. The postman, milkman or vacuum cleaner salesman prolly got lucky quite often in the 50's and 60's.

But you're right....the advent of women in the workplace opened the doors for even ugly women to get laid!

[KRL]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Dec 3 2003, 12:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Dec 3 2003, 12:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 3 2003, 12:20 PM
Well, I know solidly, my mother never cheated on my father. In that era I think it was more the men. Today, yes, I think way more women cheat simply because way more women are now in the workforce and around men all day and that's were most cheating starts.

In the 50's and 60's moms stayed home, so the opportunity to cheat just wasn't there as much. Then when women's lib happened the whole thing changed and that's when women started cheating more and families started falling apart, because women stopped being moms and started being corpies.
Hot women have always had the availability to cheat. The postman, milkman or vacuum cleaner salesman prolly got lucky quite often in the 50's and 60's.

But you're right....the advent of women in the workplace opened the doors for even ugly women to get laid![/b][/quote]
LOL Well you know I'm full Italian but I got an Irish name Kevin for my first name, and our plumber that always seemed to be coming over to our house when my father was away in NYC was an Irishman named Pat.

So who knows. Maybe my mom isn't the saint I thought.

:yowsa:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 01:28 PM
But you're right....the advent of women in the workplace opened the doors for even ugly women to get laid!
Though it really sucks when you're an ugly woman who works AT HOME. :angry:

And don't try to tease me with visions of "The Postman Always Rings Twice" - my mailbox is 1+ miles away from my house. :(

[KRL]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:27 PM
and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
And what exactly would that perfect age be???

[Fletch XXX]

wannabe psychologists, bad moms, and gay dads are all around!

Take cover

Charlie is in the trees

and charlie dont surf

[Peaches]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 01:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:27 PM
and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
And what exactly would that perfect age be???[/b][/quote]
I was just getting ready to ask that. :unsure: And I wonder why the parents don't have the right to decide when their kids are old enough to "get it" as opposed to the school and Cherry deciding it for them. :(

From reading the article, I surely didn't see where this 7 year old kid didn't "get it".

[Fletch XXX]

Geez man, some people on this board are INFATUATED with what people have to say.

some of you REALLY SHOULD get out of the house more.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...t=0&#entry98750 (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s=094fc3e15ffcd872292a58941a5f3c18&act=ST&f=1&t=7829&st=0&#entry98750)

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 3 2003, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 3 2003, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 01:28 PM
But you're right....the advent of women in the workplace opened the doors for even ugly women to get laid!
Though it really sucks when you're an ugly woman who works AT HOME. :angry:

And don't try to tease me with visions of "The Postman Always Rings Twice" - my mailbox is 1+ miles away from my house. :([/b][/quote]
HAH! You seem to get an awful lot of attention at the shows, Peaches... :P

Maybe you need to leave a little sumthin sumthin in the mailbox that tells the postman (wait....the ACLU may be crawling this message topic now...postPERSON) that there is a babe craving some luvin' up in the woods!

[Buff]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:34 AM
wannabe psychologists, bad moms, and gay dads are all around!

Take cover

Charlie is in the trees

and charlie dont surf
hahahaha

You wanna surf or you wanna fight?

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 09:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 09:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:27 PM
and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
And what exactly would that perfect age be???[/b][/quote]
Well, what age do they start teaching sex education in schools now days? Junior high?

I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.

I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.

And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Buff+Dec 3 2003, 09:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Dec 3 2003, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:34 AM
wannabe psychologists, bad moms, and gay dads are all around!

Take cover

Charlie is in the trees

and charlie dont surf
hahahaha

You wanna surf or you wanna fight?[/b][/quote]
I am designing graphics, and posting.

I am bout to start doing galleries for your site.

Question is, what do YOU want to do?



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 09:41 AM

[Carrie]

Peaches, don't you just LOVE when people without children start attacking your position and telling you what makes a "good" or a "bad" parent?

By the way, I think your brain is just fine. :okthumb:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:37 PM
Geez man, some people on this board are INFATUATED with what people have to say.

some of you REALLY SHOULD get out of the house more.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...t=0&#entry98750 (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s=094fc3e15ffcd872292a58941a5f3c18&act=ST&f=1&t=7829&st=0&#entry98750)
Fletch, I've been here since Day 1 and I have 271 posts. You've been here for 5 minutes and have 923 posts.

Go outside, my brutha!

[Buff]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 11:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Dec 3 2003, 09:40 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:34 AM
wannabe psychologists, bad moms, and gay dads are all around!

Take cover

Charlie is in the trees

and charlie dont surf
hahahaha

You wanna surf or you wanna fight?
I am designing graphics, and posting.

I am bout to start doing galleries for your site.

Question is, what do YOU want to do?[/b][/quote]
I was quoting from the same movie you were...

Oh well.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Buff+Dec 3 2003, 09:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Dec 3 2003, 09:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by -Buff@Dec 3 2003, 09:40 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:34 AM
wannabe psychologists, bad moms, and gay dads are all around!

Take cover

Charlie is in the trees

and charlie dont surf
hahahaha

You wanna surf or you wanna fight?
I am designing graphics, and posting.

I am bout to start doing galleries for your site.

Question is, what do YOU want to do?
I was quoting from the same movie you were...

Oh well.[/b][/quote]
oh hehehe

sorry man, im between headphones, photoshop, dreamweaver, this board, and opening the mail.

heheh

:awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Dec 3 2003, 12:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Dec 3 2003, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:37 PM
Geez man, some people on this board are INFATUATED with what people have to say.

some of you REALLY SHOULD get out of the house more.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...t=0&#entry98750 (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s=094fc3e15ffcd872292a58941a5f3c18&act=ST&f=1&t=7829&st=0&#entry98750)
Fletch, I've been here since Day 1 and I have 271 posts. You've been here for 5 minutes and have 923 posts.

Go outside, my brutha![/b][/quote]
he can't....he will after his post count matches mine
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:41 PM
Well, what age do they start teaching sex education in schools now days? Junior high?

I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.
Oh geeze. :( Why on EARTH would any parent wait for the schools to teach their kids about sex? :zoinks:

With all the sexual predators out there (yes, even GAY ones....) the earlier you teach your kids about "good" and "bad" touching and sex between people who are adults and love each other, etc. the better.


I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.
Then he wouldn't really be "aware" of what gay means, would he?

And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means!
Classic.

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 09:42 AM
Peaches, don't you just LOVE when people without children start attacking your position and telling you what makes a "good" or a "bad" parent?

By the way, I think your brain is just fine. :okthumb:
Yeah, and we all know what sort of qualifications are required to breed and squeeze out offspring.

NONE.

So what's your point?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 3 2003, 09:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 3 2003, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 12:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:37 PM
Geez man, some people on this board are INFATUATED with what people have to say.

some of you REALLY SHOULD get out of the house more.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...t=0&#entry98750 (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s=094fc3e15ffcd872292a58941a5f3c18&act=ST&f=1&t=7829&st=0&#entry98750)
Fletch, I've been here since Day 1 and I have 271 posts. You've been here for 5 minutes and have 923 posts.

Go outside, my brutha!
he can't....he will after his post count matches mine
;-)))[/b][/quote]
im actually considering stop posting here and see how many times i am spoked of in one day.

i tell you what.

wanna make a bet i wont post here for a certain amount of weeks? months?

i want to start getting mt sleeve done, bet me 2k i cant go a month

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 09:46 AM
Oh geeze. :( Why on EARTH would any parent wait for the schools to teach their kids about sex? :zoinks:

With all the sexual predators out there (yes, even GAY ones....) the earlier you teach your kids about "good" and "bad" touching and sex between people who are adults and love each other, etc. the better.
Please, oh wise Peaches, how young should we start teaching kids about sex then? I almost don't want to ask...

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 12:42 PM
Peaches, don't you just LOVE when people without children start attacking your position and telling you what makes a "good" or a "bad" parent?

By the way, I think your brain is just fine. :okthumb:
Not having children doesn't preclude the ability to see good or bad.

Personally, I feel sorry for the two bull dykes, because they are commiting emotional suicide by having a relationship with children. NOBODY wants children, they just happen. Not sure how it just "happened" to two women, but I'm sure there is a good explanation.....

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 09:42 AM
Peaches, don't you just LOVE when people without children start attacking your position and telling you what makes a "good" or a "bad" parent?

By the way, I think your brain is just fine. :okthumb:
Usually, I like your posts for the most part.

However, since there are no tests to pass to have a kid, it's meaningless to assume people with kids are more qualified to raise kids or tell what makes a good parent.

Edit: I love posting things when two people before me post nearly the same thing.



Last edited by FATPad at Dec 3 2003, 09:53 AM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 01:49 PM
Personally, I feel sorry for the two bull dykes, because they are commiting emotional suicide by having a relationship with children. NOBODY wants children, they just happen. Not sure how it just "happened" to two women, but I'm sure there is a good explanation.....
Duh, they're like cancer and ANYONE can get cancer! B)

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 3 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 3 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 01:49 PM
Personally, I feel sorry for the two bull dykes, because they are commiting emotional suicide by having a relationship with children. NOBODY wants children, they just happen. Not sure how it just "happened" to two women, but I'm sure there is a good explanation.....
Duh, they're like cancer and ANYONE can get cancer! B)[/b][/quote]
That's what condoms are for, among other methods of birth control.

Unfortunately they don't make cancer control pills to prevent cancer.

[KRL]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 12:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -KRL@Dec 3 2003, 09:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:27 PM
and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
And what exactly would that perfect age be???
Well, what age do they start teaching sex education in schools now days? Junior high?

I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.

I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.

And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means![/b][/quote]
Have you seen a game called Grand Theft Auto that is the hottest game for PS2 kids play.

Take a look and you'll see kids today are exposed to everything already.

[Nickatilynx]

infatuated

Nope.

Curious? Yes.

Especially since instead of explaining the contradiction you deflect it , and then spin to try and get into a bet to force you to leave the board.

Very interesting. :)

cherrylula,

hope you don't mind me asking , but are you able to "breed and squeeze out offspring."" ??

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 3 2003, 12:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 3 2003, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 01:49 PM
Personally, I feel sorry for the two bull dykes, because they are commiting emotional suicide by having a relationship with children. NOBODY wants children, they just happen. Not sure how it just "happened" to two women, but I'm sure there is a good explanation.....
Duh, they're like cancer and ANYONE can get cancer! B)[/b][/quote]
Hmmm...you may be on to something, Peaches!

When the revolution comes, anyone that NEEDS to get rid of their kids will have chemotherapy.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 3 2003, 09:55 AM
infatuated

Nope.

Curious? Yes.



If you need to analyze someone, try spending time with your kids instead of trying to figure me out.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 01:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 09:46 AM
Oh geeze. :( Why on EARTH would any parent wait for the schools to teach their kids about sex? :zoinks:

With all the sexual predators out there (yes, even GAY ones....) the earlier you teach your kids about "good" and "bad" touching and sex between people who are adults and love each other, etc. the better.
Please, oh wise Peaches, how young should we start teaching kids about sex then? I almost don't want to ask...[/b][/quote]
99 times out of 100 youl know when your kid's ready to learn about sex. It's not done at set age and it's done in stages. For instance, you don't tell the kid who wants to know where babies come from about blowjobs. :unsure: And you also might not want to tell the kid who's playing with him/herself in public about intercourse. :P It's almost always a series of answering questions when they come to you.

Like I said, my son had a lesbian gym coach - he asked questions, I answered. It ain't that tough a concept and if someone with no brain, like me, can figure it out, someone as smart as you should be able to write an entire book on the subject. :okthumb:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 01:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 09:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 01:49 PM
Personally, I feel sorry for the two bull dykes, because they are commiting emotional suicide by having a relationship with children. NOBODY wants children, they just happen. Not sure how it just "happened" to two women, but I'm sure there is a good explanation.....
Duh, they're like cancer and ANYONE can get cancer! B)
That's what condoms are for, among other methods of birth control.

Unfortunately they don't make cancer control pills to prevent cancer.[/b][/quote]
Oh my. :P

[Vick]

and let the record show

Peaches is a great Mom, an intelligent, warm and loving person and someone I am proud to call a friend


This is another thread spilling out of any rational course



and some are funny intentionally and some are funny but I don't know if it's on purpose .....
.... maybe it's on a porpoise


With that said I'll

Disappear in a puff of Logic

[Carrie]

Fatpad, my point is that people without children always seem to know how to raise children perfectly.
That is, until they have children - then they realize the truth.
There's nothing quite so humbling as having a child.

[cherrylula]

Yeah KRL, lots of bad things out there that kids are exposed to nowdays. Even video games. Its up to the parents to regulate such things though, and I have no doubt its not an easy task. Much credit to parents nowdays dealing with such things. I myself am not even sure if I want to bring any kids into this world its such an ugly place.

Nick, yep, according to the doctor all my insides work fine. I'm very responsible when it comes to birth control. Its much easier to have safe sex than it is to give birth and raise a kid, or have an abortion even. Much cheaper too hahaha

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Dec 3 2003, 02:02 PM
and let the record show

Peaches is a great Mom, an intelligent, warm and loving person and someone I am proud to call a friend

My kid might disagree with you, but thank you! :inlove:

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 10:02 AM
Fatpad, my point is that people without children always seem to know how to raise children perfectly.
That is, until they have children - then they realize the truth.
There's nothing quite so humbling as having a child.
Did I say I know how to raise children perfectly? Is there such a thing?

I raised my sister from about age 13-16, and it wasn't humbling it was a pain in the ass. Thank goodness she wasn't my kid, ball and chain is an understatement.

What is this truth you speak of?

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 08:34 AM
just proof that even 2 moms cant raise a kid correctly.

without dad women will FUCK UP KIDS.
How is this fucking up the kid? Being honest with them? Is the child supposed to lie? Are the women supposed to completely change who they are and what they do because their kid might tell someone at school they are gay? Give me a BREAK! Children at 5 can learn the reality of situations, kids at 7 even more so. There is NO reason the child should have been punished for explaining the situation when he wasn't being rude or derrogatory. I've heard 7 years old spout some pretty terrible things. How is this one of them?

I think it's better to be honest with a child, and punishing him about the realities of his family situation is NOT going to help matters. Perhaps taking the child aside and explainign to him that not everyone is COMFORTABLE with it or something, in terms he could understand, sure. But PUNISHING HIM?

I think his "mothers" did something right telling him the reality. Lying to children for any reason is absolutely not the way to do things, especially about sensitive and integral family situations.

I was raised my entire life without my father, and I think I'm a pretty well-rounded and good person. I don't see how the lack of a father in any way is going to change a situation if a child is well-loved and treated well. Apparently families that aren't perfect nuclear families according to society's standards just aren't acceptable? And how about all the fathers out there that are useless pieces of shit? I'd say some kids would be better OFF without their fathers.. the same can be said about EITHER sex of parent.

I'm disappointed in you Fletch. For being someone who doesn't seem to conform to societal mores and expectations, you sure parroted the right crap this time around.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 10:02 AM
Fatpad, my point is that people without children always seem to know how to raise children perfectly.
That is, until they have children - then they realize the truth.
There's nothing quite so humbling as having a child.
Yep.. absolutely. I agree 299%.

[Fletch XXX]

well my post did what it was exactly supposed to do.

Youre disappointed in me? I am disappointed in YOU.

Of all people, damn, i didnt expect you to bite.

You love me more than you love this industry Lady Michief. Thought we were cool girl?

I posted that to get a rise out of the females on the board, and oh lookie... it WORKED!!!

:inlove:



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 10:28 AM

[kath]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 09:58 AM
99 times out of 100 youl know when your kid's ready to learn about sex. It's not done at set age and it's done in stages. For instance, you don't tell the kid who wants to know where babies come from about blowjobs. :unsure: And you also might not want to tell the kid who's playing with him/herself in public about intercourse. :P It's almost always a series of answering questions when they come to you.
Exactly... they let you know what they're ready for - and when they're ready. You have to know how to read your kids... and watch for the signs during the discussion to make sure you don't tell more than they asked for.

I guess I'm just always kind of surprised how some people can be so closed minded on things... especially in this industry where we're so desensitized to almost everything sexual on the planet. However, some people on this board don't surprise me anymore, as they are just typically contrary to everything the "regulars" seem to comment on. It's the whole look-at-me mentality that makes me just skip over their posts now for the most part. I mean, it's not even entertaining stupidity anymore. :rolleyes:

Also - on the subject of age appropriateness... the Department of Education in California sent us two books with our homeschooling registration when my son hit 3rd grade a few years ago - that's for what, approximately ages 7-8? One was titled, "I Have Two Daddies" and the other was "I Have Two Mommies." It was *required reading* so that they could have a better understanding about "alternative lifestyle families" and to "encourage social understanding and acceptance of people who are different."

So... apparently - in California anyway - it was acceptable for the school board to want to teach my children about what gay is. Maybe it's just Lousiana that's screwed up? <_<

[Nickatilynx]

well my post did what it was exactly supposed to do.

Youre disappointed in me? I am disappointed in YOU.

Of all people, damn, i didnt expect you to bite.

You love me more than you love this industry Lady Michief. Thought we were cool girl?

I posted that to get a rise out of the females on the board, and oh lookie... it WORKED!!!





interesting......

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 09:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -KRL@Dec 3 2003, 09:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:27 PM
and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
And what exactly would that perfect age be???
Well, what age do they start teaching sex education in schools now days? Junior high?

I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.

I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.

And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means![/b][/quote]
Grade 4 is when it starts here.. not sure about down there, but they start it earlier because there are SO many parents who ARE NOT talking about it with their kids, yet kids in general are introduced to it younger and younger all the time. Turn on tv sometime, it's not hard to see where they get it from. Even half the commercials scream sexuality or sexual situations. Kids aren't stupid, they pick things up.

[Fletch XXX]

Here's a question for you parents.

Would you want this little 7 year old boy teaching your kids what gay is?

Maybe asking all the girls in his class is they are gay too like mommy?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 3 2003, 10:30 AM
well my post did what it was exactly supposed to do.

Youre disappointed in me? I am disappointed in YOU.

Of all people, damn, i didnt expect you to bite.

You love me more than you love this industry Lady Michief. Thought we were cool girl?

I posted that to get a rise out of the females on the board, and oh lookie... it WORKED!!!





interesting......
Why so?

I said what I say here is bait.

I even made a thread telling everyone so!



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 10:32 AM

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 10:27 AM
well my post did what it was exactly supposed to do.

Youre disappointed in me? I am disappointed in YOU.

Of all people, damn, i didnt expect you to bite.

You love me more than you love this industry Lady Michief. Thought we were cool girl?

I posted that to get a rise out of the females on the board, and oh lookie... it WORKED!!!

:inlove:
Lol one of the few times I rise to the bait is when kids are involved. Just because I posted that doesn't mean I don't think your nifty too lol.

Kids to me are the reason the world goes around, and I see so many people taking them for granted, ignoring them, abusing them, etc etc it just makes me want to protect them all. :)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 3 2003, 02:30 PM
well my post did what it was exactly supposed to do.

Youre disappointed in me? I am disappointed in YOU.

Of all people, damn, i didnt expect you to bite.

You love me more than you love this industry Lady Michief. Thought we were cool girl?

I posted that to get a rise out of the females on the board, and oh lookie... it WORKED!!!





interesting......
I think Kath summed it up pretty well in her post. :awinky:

[Carrie]

Originally posted by kath@Dec 3 2003, 01:29 PM
However, some people on this board don't surprise me anymore, as they are just typically contrary to everything the "regulars" seem to comment on. It's the whole look-at-me mentality that makes me just skip over their posts now for the most part. I mean, it's not even entertaining stupidity anymore. :rolleyes:

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 01:31 PM
Here's a question for you parents.

Would you want this little 7 year old boy teaching your kids what gay is?

Maybe asking all the girls in his class is they are gay too like mommy?
No, but its what happens in school. I know I learned about sex from my friends in school way before my parents explained it. I can still remember clearly in my mind seeing that first Playboy centerfold one of my school buddies had stashed in his locker and how excited it made all of us.

:lol:



Last edited by KRL at Dec 3 2003, 01:34 PM

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 10:31 AM
Here's a question for you parents.

Would you want this little 7 year old boy teaching your kids what gay is?

Maybe asking all the girls in his class is they are gay too like mommy?
If it was part of his life situation I wouldn't be ANGRY with him for telling my kids. I would CERTAINLY never punish a child for telling the truth. However I might contact his parents and suggest to them that they perhaps explain to their son when is and is not an appropriate time to discuss it, and maybe tell children who ask to ask their own parents.

I could never punish a child for telling me or anyone else the truth, even if I didn't like it. How can they hold this child accountable for explaining something he obviously didn't understand could be problematic or unacceptable? If they should talk to anyone, they should discuss it with his mothers, if it's that big of aproblem.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by kath+Dec 3 2003, 10:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kath @ Dec 3 2003, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 09:58 AM
99 times out of 100 youl know when your kid's ready to learn about sex. It's not done at set age and it's done in stages. For instance, you don't tell the kid who wants to know where babies come from about blowjobs. :unsure: And you also might not want to tell the kid who's playing with him/herself in public about intercourse. :P It's almost always a series of answering questions when they come to you.
Exactly... they let you know what they're ready for - and when they're ready. You have to know how to read your kids... and watch for the signs during the discussion to make sure you don't tell more than they asked for.

I guess I'm just always kind of surprised how some people can be so closed minded on things... especially in this industry where we're so desensitized to almost everything sexual on the planet. However, some people on this board don't surprise me anymore, as they are just typically contrary to everything the "regulars" seem to comment on. It's the whole look-at-me mentality that makes me just skip over their posts now for the most part. I mean, it's not even entertaining stupidity anymore. :rolleyes:

Also - on the subject of age appropriateness... the Department of Education in California sent us two books with our homeschooling registration when my son hit 3rd grade a few years ago - that's for what, approximately ages 7-8? One was titled, "I Have Two Daddies" and the other was "I Have Two Mommies." It was *required reading* so that they could have a better understanding about "alternative lifestyle families" and to "encourage social understanding and acceptance of people who are different."

So... apparently - in California anyway - it was acceptable for the school board to want to teach my children about what gay is. Maybe it's just Lousiana that's screwed up? <_<[/b][/quote]
I find sometimes people in this industry want to be OVERPROTECTIVE of their kids on this subject because they see the dregs of it every day. It's hard NOT to want to shut it all out when you see some of the garbage out there and accessible to kids. But you're right, I think Louisiana is WAYYY behind on things.. .Gay partnerships are a part of life and society now, and it's certainly not going to change. The sooner everyone accepts that, the better, especially for kids who won't understand why they're in trouble for things like talking about their mothers being gay.

[KRL]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:03 PM
Yeah KRL, lots of bad things out there that kids are exposed to nowdays. Even video games. Its up to the parents to regulate such things though, and I have no doubt its not an easy task. Much credit to parents nowdays dealing with such things. I myself am not even sure if I want to bring any kids into this world its such an ugly place.

Nick, yep, according to the doctor all my insides work fine. I'm very responsible when it comes to birth control. Its much easier to have safe sex than it is to give birth and raise a kid, or have an abortion even. Much cheaper too hahaha
Trust me it was against my better judgment letting my kid buy his own copy of GTA for his PS2, but everyone one of his friends has it and he was playing anyway, so what do you do?

The problem is there are so many liberal parents that make it hard for conservative parents to exercise their parenting restrictions properly on their children.

I told my kid no, for months, til I finally just caved in cause he was going over to his friends so much to play it.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 10:32 AM

Kids to me are the reason the world goes around, and I see so many people taking them for granted, ignoring them, abusing them, etc etc it just makes me want to protect them all. :)
I know I see it to.

Between cigarette and cartoons, america is shaping its children perfectly.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 10:39 AM

[Carrie]

Originally posted by cherrylula+Dec 3 2003, 01:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cherrylula @ Dec 3 2003, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 10:02 AM
Fatpad, my point is that people without children always seem to know how to raise children perfectly.
That is, until they have children - then they realize the truth.
There's nothing quite so humbling as having a child.
Did I say I know how to raise children perfectly? Is there such a thing?

I raised my sister from about age 13-16, and it wasn't humbling it was a pain in the ass. Thank goodness she wasn't my kid, ball and chain is an understatement.

What is this truth you speak of?[/b][/quote]
When you raise a newborn to being 13, you let me know. Surely you'll have the method perfected by then. Maybe even start your own society of perfect, know-it-all Scientologist mothers or something.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:03 PM
Yeah KRL, lots of bad things out there that kids are exposed to nowdays. Even video games. Its up to the parents to regulate such things though, and I have no doubt its not an easy task. Much credit to parents nowdays dealing with such things. I myself am not even sure if I want to bring any kids into this world its such an ugly place.

Nick, yep, according to the doctor all my insides work fine. I'm very responsible when it comes to birth control. Its much easier to have safe sex than it is to give birth and raise a kid, or have an abortion even. Much cheaper too hahaha
Trust me it was against my better judgment letting my kid buy his own copy of GTA for his PS2, but everyone one of his friends has it and he was playing anyway, so what do you do?

The problem is there are so many liberal parents that make it hard for conservative parents to exercise their parenting restrictions properly on their children.

I told my kid no, for months, til I finally just caved in cause he was going over to his friends so much to play it.[/b][/quote]
Yea those kind of games aren't my favorites for children either. However having parental involvement and education, knowing right from wrong, real from pretend, etc, can have a huge impact on how a child deals with that kind of thing...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:03 PM
Yeah KRL, lots of bad things out there that kids are exposed to nowdays. Even video games. Its up to the parents to regulate such things though, and I have no doubt its not an easy task. Much credit to parents nowdays dealing with such things. I myself am not even sure if I want to bring any kids into this world its such an ugly place.

Nick, yep, according to the doctor all my insides work fine. I'm very responsible when it comes to birth control. Its much easier to have safe sex than it is to give birth and raise a kid, or have an abortion even. Much cheaper too hahaha
Trust me it was against my better judgment letting my kid buy his own copy of GTA for his PS2, but everyone one of his friends has it and he was playing anyway, so what do you do?

The problem is there are so many liberal parents that make it hard for conservative parents to exercise their parenting restrictions properly on their children.

I told my kid no, for months, til I finally just caved in cause he was going over to his friends so much to play it.[/b][/quote]
Youre a good dad KRL, you make some moms look like shit.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 10:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 10:32 AM

Kids to me are the reason the world goes around, and I see so many people taking them for granted, ignoring them, abusing them, etc etc it just makes me want to protect them all. :)
I know I see it to.

Between cigarette and cartoons, america is shaping its children perfectly.[/b][/quote]
Parenting is everything where children are involved.. Doesn't matter how awful or good the world is around them, with good guidance and lots of love, any child can come out just fine.

[[Labret]]

People with children make me laugh.

Suckers.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 3 2003, 10:39 AM
Surely you'll have the method perfected by then.
http://fotografia.fanerem.com/fotos/210702.jpg

[JR]

life in the US is like a bad episode of Jerry Springer sometimes. who cares what some teacher did? Jesus people. maybe he was wrong, maybe he wasn't. it has nothing to do with any of us and certainly should not be on national news.

[cherrylula]

When you raise a newborn to being 13, you let me know. Surely you'll have the method perfected by then. Maybe even start your own society of perfect, know-it-all Scientologist mothers or something.
When and if I raise a newborn to 13, I will be long gone from this board, so you're out of luck on that one.

Tell me, did you at least plan your first child?

[kath]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 10:38 AM
I find sometimes people in this industry want to be OVERPROTECTIVE of their kids on this subject because they see the dregs of it every day. It's hard NOT to want to shut it all out when you see some of the garbage out there and accessible to kids. But you're right, I think Louisiana is WAYYY behind on things.. .Gay partnerships are a part of life and society now, and it's certainly not going to change. The sooner everyone accepts that, the better, especially for kids who won't understand why they're in trouble for things like talking about their mothers being gay.
Oh I agree on being overprotective with the kids... I should have been more clear. I meant being closed minded themselves. :awinky:

It's true... the more I see the more I want to shield them. Fortunately being IN this business has helped me to be more educated on how to protect them.

Funny you guys are mentioning GTA right now... we are currently having this argument in our house with our 14 year old. My brother (aren't uncles great??) sent him a copy. He's only been playing it 2 days and I'm ready to throw it in the fireplace. :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by JR@Dec 3 2003, 01:47 PM
life in the US is like a bad episode of Jerry Springer sometimes. who cares what some teacher did? Jesus people. maybe he was wrong, maybe he wasn't. it has nothing to do with any of us and certainly should not be on national news.
HAHAHAHA.....exactly!

X - It's a country about nothing. Nothing ever happens.

Y - That sounds pretty boring; who would live there?

Z - Well, sometimes something could happen.

X - No! NOTHING ever happens!

[cherrylula]

Look, its the perfect gift for little boys all over the world:

http://www.raiderofthelostkitsch.com/gaykenculg.gif

Even got his own cockring! Buy him here:

http://www.raiderofthelostkitsch.com/gayken.html

[Carrie]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:50 PM
When you raise a newborn to being 13, you let me know. Surely you'll have the method perfected by then. Maybe even start your own society of perfect, know-it-all Scientologist mothers or something.
When and if I raise a newborn to 13, I will be long gone from this board, so you're out of luck on that one.

Tell me, did you at least plan your first child?
You tell me. You know everything, right?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 02:50 PM
Tell me, did you at least plan your first child?
Why would you ask that (and what do you mean by "at least") and what does it have to do with anything discussed at this point?

[cherrylula]

I'll take that as a no.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 03:05 PM
I'll take that as a no.
And you and Fletch accuse OTHERS of making assumptions? :lol:

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:05 AM
I'll take that as a no.
I don't understand your assumption that all the mothers around had their children unplanned.. For all the kids unplanned and born out of wedlock, a lot are born to marriages and planned for you do realize. The glass is not always half empty.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by LadyMischief+Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyMischief @ Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:05 AM
I'll take that as a no.
I don't understand your assumption that all the mothers around had their children unplanned.. For all the kids unplanned and born out of wedlock, a lot are born to marriages and planned for you do realize. The glass is not always half empty.[/b][/quote]
Damn filthy liar!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by LadyMischief+Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyMischief @ Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:05 AM
I'll take that as a no.
I don't understand your assumption that all the mothers around had their children unplanned.[/b][/quote]
where did she say ALL?

she asked carrie a direct question

:awinky:



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 11:16 AM

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 3 2003, 11:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 3 2003, 11:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:05 AM
I'll take that as a no.
I don't understand your assumption that all the mothers around had their children unplanned.. For all the kids unplanned and born out of wedlock, a lot are born to marriages and planned for you do realize. The glass is not always half empty.
Damn filthy liar![/b][/quote]
Don't make me whip out old purple on you, boy. :P

[cherrylula]

Peaches, I didn't assume anything, I asked her a question and by her avoiding the answer in her post I then made the assumption.

She can tell me I am wrong if she pleases, I'm curious to know but she seems to not want to answer.

Get it? knock knock anybody home? This is turning into textual mish mosh at this point. I hate having to explain things like this. Please try harder to keep up!

Lady Mischief! I didn't say anything about all mother having kids unplanned!

See Serge, THIS is why I don't bother much with this shit nowdays. Gee whiz.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 03:17 PM
Peaches, I didn't assume anything, I asked her a question and by her avoiding the answer in her post I then made the assumption.
"I didn't assume anything" and in the same sentence "I made an assumption". Oh....Kay..... :unsure:

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:17 AM
Peaches, I didn't assume anything, I asked her a question and by her avoiding the answer in her post I then made the assumption.

She can tell me I am wrong if she pleases, I'm curious to know but she seems to not want to answer.

Get it? knock knock anybody home? This is turning into textual mish mosh at this point. I hate having to explain things like this. Please try harder to keep up!

Lady Mischief! I didn't say anything about all mother having kids unplanned!

See Serge, THIS is why I don't bother much with this shit nowdays. Gee whiz.
Bah don't be silly.. But as far as I knew it was always kind of rude to grill people about that. As far as I'm concerned, in the end, it doesn't matter if a child was planned or unplanned, if they are loved, well taken care of, well taught and have everything they need to have.

My first child was unplanned, only becase I was told I would NEVER have children, tried for years with my first husband and never succeeded. Doesn't mean he isn't wanted :)

[Carrie]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 02:05 PM
I'll take that as a no.
Well hot damn look at that.
She doesn't know everything, after all.

I'm sure you know what you can do with your ASSumptions.

[cherrylula]

...pluck eyelashes, argue with peaches and carrie....hmm tough one.

I'd rather save money on mascara.

edited to add the carrie part.



Last edited by cherrylula at Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM

[FATPad]

Originally posted by LadyMischief+Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyMischief @ Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:05 AM
I'll take that as a no.
I don't understand your assumption that all the mothers around had their children unplanned.. For all the kids unplanned and born out of wedlock, a lot are born to marriages and planned for you do realize. The glass is not always half empty.[/b][/quote]
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 02:12 PM
The glass is not always half empty.
The glass not always being half empty is a social problem that will be corrected when the revolution occurs. You will be given a glass by the state and the water in it will be poured according to your need.

Who decides your need? Not YOU, of course....it will be the local magistrate's half-brother's cousin.

Have faith in your fellow man to know how much water you need! Paradise is near!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.
Kinda like a person who DOESNT smoke cigarettes recommending you should never smoke.

What do they know?

Dont tell me not to smoke, ill smoke if I want!

Ill have kids if i want too, and ill teach them to smoke!

[Fletch XXX]

PS: i dont smoke cigarettes, its a bad habit.

keep your kids away from stogies, and second hand smoke!

[Diamond Jim]

I'm only in this thread to flush Mitnick into the open....

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 11:12 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 11:05 AM
I'll take that as a no.
I don't understand your assumption that all the mothers around had their children unplanned.. For all the kids unplanned and born out of wedlock, a lot are born to marriages and planned for you do realize. The glass is not always half empty.
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.[/b][/quote]
I don't believe I said that, but I agree that you can NEVER truly know what parenthood is like, living with a child raising them day in and day out, being responsible for everything.. Potty training, sickness, temper tantrums, all that, until they actually HAVE children. It's like trying to imagine what it's like to live with a life-threatening illness or disease. You can NEVER truly say you know what it's like or can understand the experience unless you have it.

Doesn't mean people without kids can't have opinions, however no one opinion can possibly fit every parental situation. Every child, every family is different. It's easy to judge something based on an opinion, but unless you are fully aware of the situation at hand, that opinion means about as much as the piss I took this morning. Catch my meaning?

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 11:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.
Kinda like a person who DOESNT smoke cigarettes recommending you should never smoke.

What do they know?

Dont tell me not to smoke, ill smoke if I want!

Ill have kids if i want too, and ill teach them to smoke![/b][/quote]
I hear the state will be handing out cigarettes each according to their need right after the water glasses are filled or unfilled according to need. Or something like that.

Name me one university that's a bastion of bull dykes smoking cigs drinking from half filled glasses of water while popping out kids.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 03:23 PM
...pluck eyelashes, argue with peaches and carrie....hmm tough one.

I'd rather save money on mascara.

edited to add the carrie part.
Trichotillomania?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 3 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 3 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.
Kinda like a person who DOESNT smoke cigarettes recommending you should never smoke.

What do they know?

Dont tell me not to smoke, ill smoke if I want!

Ill have kids if i want too, and ill teach them to smoke!
I hear the state will be handing out cigarettes each according to their need right after the water glasses are filled or unfilled according to need. Or something like that.

Name me one university that's a bastion of bull dykes smoking cigs drinking from half filled glasses of water while popping out kids.[/b][/quote]

http://www.oru.edu/

[KRL]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 3 2003, 01:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 3 2003, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -KRL@Dec 3 2003, 10:38 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:03 PM
Yeah KRL, lots of bad things out there that kids are exposed to nowdays. Even video games. Its up to the parents to regulate such things though, and I have no doubt its not an easy task. Much credit to parents nowdays dealing with such things. I myself am not even sure if I want to bring any kids into this world its such an ugly place.

Nick, yep, according to the doctor all my insides work fine. I'm very responsible when it comes to birth control. Its much easier to have safe sex than it is to give birth and raise a kid, or have an abortion even. Much cheaper too hahaha
Trust me it was against my better judgment letting my kid buy his own copy of GTA for his PS2, but everyone one of his friends has it and he was playing anyway, so what do you do?

The problem is there are so many liberal parents that make it hard for conservative parents to exercise their parenting restrictions properly on their children.

I told my kid no, for months, til I finally just caved in cause he was going over to his friends so much to play it.
Youre a good dad KRL, you make some moms look like shit.[/b][/quote]
Thanks Fletch. Being a parent, especially a single parent is the hardest job in the world. There is so much you have to do, it absolutely drains you by the end of the day. And I only have one. How people do it when they have 4, 5, 6 and more kids I can't imagine. My sister has 6 and she usually sounds like a zombie when I talk to her.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 3 2003, 02:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 3 2003, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.
Kinda like a person who DOESNT smoke cigarettes recommending you should never smoke.

What do they know?

Dont tell me not to smoke, ill smoke if I want!

Ill have kids if i want too, and ill teach them to smoke!
I hear the state will be handing out cigarettes each according to their need right after the water glasses are filled or unfilled according to need. Or something like that.

Name me one university that's a bastion of bull dykes smoking cigs drinking from half filled glasses of water while popping out kids.

http://www.oru.edu/[/b][/quote]
I was gonna say marymagdalene.edu, but that's pretty close...

[KRL]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 01:55 PM
Look, its the perfect gift for little boys all over the world:

http://www.raiderofthelostkitsch.com/gaykenculg.gif

Even got his own cockring! Buy him here:

http://www.raiderofthelostkitsch.com/gayken.html
Oh my goodness, that's too funny. A gay Ken doll. LOL :yowsa:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 3 2003, 03:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 3 2003, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 11:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 3 2003, 11:23 AM
That's okay. I don't understand the assumption that people with no kids know nothing about kids and are unable to have opinions on if a parent did something wrong or not

But people around here assume that, too.
Kinda like a person who DOESNT smoke cigarettes recommending you should never smoke.

What do they know?

Dont tell me not to smoke, ill smoke if I want!

Ill have kids if i want too, and ill teach them to smoke!
I hear the state will be handing out cigarettes each according to their need right after the water glasses are filled or unfilled according to need. Or something like that.

Name me one university that's a bastion of bull dykes smoking cigs drinking from half filled glasses of water while popping out kids.

http://www.oru.edu/[/b][/quote]
God doesn't believe in bull dykes. Try http://www.agnesscott.edu/

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 3 2003, 11:33 AM

Thanks Fletch. Being a parent, especially a single parent is the hardest job in the world. There is so much you have to do, it absolutely drains you by the end of the day. And I only have one. How people do it when they have 4, 5, 6 and more kids I can't imagine. My sister has 6 and she usually sounds like a zombie when I talk to her.
No doubt man.

Coming from a single mom household with 3 boys, I can have nothing but sympathy on some.

The parents I dont like are the high and mighty, 'you dont know shit until you been in my shoes ones,' while trying to say what GOOD parents they are.

Today on Oprah: Moms Who Spend More Time Online Than With heir Kids

I bet it would be ahit!

How many moms would tune in?



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Dec 3 2003, 11:36 AM

[nlphoto]

Originally posted by Vick+Dec 3 2003, 10:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Dec 3 2003, 10:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 3 2003, 12:04 PM
let's not forget the Teletubbies. B)
Teletubbies are Evil - :grrr:

and not allowed in my home[/b][/quote]

Don't... don't you make me do it... Don't make me put up my favorite Teletubbies page....

:yowsa:


Telebubby Fun Land (http://www.newgrounds.com/tubby/index.html)

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 02:30 PM
I don't believe I said that, but I agree that you can NEVER truly know what parenthood is like, living with a child raising them day in and day out, being responsible for everything.. Potty training, sickness, temper tantrums, all that, until they actually HAVE children. It's like trying to imagine what it's like to live with a life-threatening illness or disease. You can NEVER truly say you know what it's like or can understand the experience unless you have it.

Doesn't mean people without kids can't have opinions, however no one opinion can possibly fit every parental situation. Every child, every family is different. It's easy to judge something based on an opinion, but unless you are fully aware of the situation at hand, that opinion means about as much as the piss I took this morning. Catch my meaning?
I disagree. A person living with the parents would know exactly what it is to be a parent in the terms you are describing and the manner in which it has been discussed so far. Furthermore, it is logical that they would have had parents themselves, and got an idea about parenting just from being a child. Discounting their opinions on the subject is irrational.

Wherein lies the difference is the emotional attachment to your child. Attempting to quantify THAT part of parenting, and relating THAT issue in the parent/child relationship, you could make a more reasonable statement that the person doesn't know what they are talking about because they have had no real life experience.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Dec 3 2003, 11:30 AM
I don't believe I said that, but I agree that you can NEVER truly know what parenthood is like, living with a child raising them day in and day out, being responsible for everything.. Potty training, sickness, temper tantrums, all that, until they actually HAVE children. It's like trying to imagine what it's like to live with a life-threatening illness or disease. You can NEVER truly say you know what it's like or can understand the experience unless you have it.

Doesn't mean people without kids can't have opinions, however no one opinion can possibly fit every parental situation. Every child, every family is different. It's easy to judge something based on an opinion, but unless you are fully aware of the situation at hand, that opinion means about as much as the piss I took this morning. Catch my meaning?
You don't have to be a parent to state an opinion on whether or not someone is a good parent or whether or not a parent did something the correct way.

By your own logic, any discussions of national politics are now meaningless since no one here has been President, Governor, or Senator.

I'm gonna start tossing that line out now. "You were never President! You don't know!"

[JR]

the best parents are on Jerry Springer

[KRL]

Originally posted by JR@Dec 3 2003, 03:10 PM
the best parents are on Jerry Springer
Anytime I see that show, I always think can you imagine having these fucked up tards for your parents.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 12:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Dec 3 2003, 03:10 PM
the best parents are on Jerry Springer
Anytime I see that show, I always think can you imagine having these fucked up tards for your parents.[/b][/quote]
let me tell you folks a little about jerry springer.

having worked in the southern california chatsworth porn capitol for over 4 years now, i have known MANY people that are paid to go on that show and act.

those strippers you see acting like cheating wives etc, they are paid and they come from all over, MANY from southern california.

its all just a show.

i couldnt understand how some stripper was excited about getting paid 200 bucks, a free hotel room, and flight to humiliate herself on tv.

but nonetheless, they do it, and then they come back to the strip club, and brag about it, and how much fun it was, they end up spending way more than they make, and come home kinda bitter.

i would have never thought this, until the porngirls started being shipped off because springers management found a goldmine of idiots in this valley

HAHAHA



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[JR]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 12:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Dec 3 2003, 03:10 PM
the best parents are on Jerry Springer
Anytime I see that show, I always think can you imagine having these fucked up tards for your parents.[/b][/quote]
there is a play called Greater Tuna that was made into an HBO special once. if anyone has seen it, they will know what my family is like.

[JR]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 3 2003, 12:18 PM

let me tell you folks a little about jerry springer.

having worked in the southern california chatsworth porn capitol for over 4 years now, i have known MANY people that are paid to go on that show and act.

those strippers you see acting like cheating wives etc, they are paid and they come from all over, MANY from southern california.

its all just a show.

which begs the obvious question: "So gee Fletch... for how long did they have you fooled into thinking it was real"?

lets stop the spoilers right now... next thing you know you will be claiming WWF is staged as well.

:rolleyes:

[Fletch XXX]

hahaha

ok you got me.

[Fletch XXX]

my point was more to say come to LA and you can see those dumb whores shake their tails for dollars.

most are hookers here anyway.

maybe some of you business guys could fuck a few on a trip.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 3 2003, 01:42 PM
People with children make me laugh.

Suckers.
stop looking at your parents,
not everybody as unlucky as they are....

[Peaches]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 3 2003, 04:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 3 2003, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Dec 3 2003, 03:10 PM
the best parents are on Jerry Springer
Anytime I see that show, I always think can you imagine having these fucked up tards for your parents.[/b][/quote]
Jay from jays-xxx-links.com and Consumption Junction has apparently been on there a couple of times. :)

I have and old bf who had trailers he rents out (says it's a massive ROI) and he swears he'd love to hook up a "Jerry Cam" on some of his tenants. :P

[gigi]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 09:27 AM
and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.

Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.

Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
Hmm, so basically what you are saying is to teach the attitude that being gay is wrong (by NOT addressing it as a reality)......and condone children who make fun of people/kids who stick their necks out there......okay.....I get where you are coming from now............

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 11:40 AM
It's stupid shit like this that forces PD to be a liberal.... :yowsa:

You are right about that, Jim. The teacher involved and the disciplinarian in question should be locked up in a room with the idiot from LA who wrote the now infamous "master and slave" memo.

Well, it just so happens that I know a little bit about this subject. I have three beautiful daughters, all heterosexual and all very normal, who have two mothers - and have since the youngest was two, the oldest was seven. It caused them a few problems along the way with a (suprisingly few) students/other parents, a couple of teachers, and one born-again bitch of a principal who disrespected my daughter, her mother, and me - and who is no longer the principal of one of the "plum" magnet high schools on account of it - although I'm sure she enjoys the challenge of working with the discipline probems of an urban school district.

We told the kids what's what from the time they FIRST asked. They were bright, inquisitive little shits who would have seen through us in a minute if we'd tried lies like 'roommates."

I understand why adults who have trouble getting around the fact that not all families are traditionally nuclear would advocate lying to kids. Just because THEY are very slow doesn't mean that mosts children are. I have never thought that was a good idea. My ex's lover is a bitch and a half, but I never allowed my kids to play on the fact that I felt that way (they all tried) - I knew she loved the kids, and I backed her up when necessary the same way I did their biological mother.

[Torone]

What if his family were rednecks? It would be really hard to explain that his daddy was also his uncle... :biglaugh:

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 10:54 AM
Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???

I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.

You obviously are not a parent or gay.

[cherrylula]

Thank GOD!

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Dec 4 2003, 10:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Dec 4 2003, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 10:54 AM
Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???

I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.

You obviously are not a parent or gay.[/b][/quote]
Now, Dianna - since when does making a dumb statement preclude someone being a parent?

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:41 PM
I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.

I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.

And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means!
I know it seems like I’m targeting you…I’m not. Its comments like yours that really piss me off. No doubt you are shadowed by the same ignorance so many people are.

Being gay is not about sex. It’s a lifestyle choice and should be entitled the same right of choice as anything else. Why should this choice, a relationship/love, be handled like a taboo or forbidden topic? Why can’t people just raise their children to be tolerant and accepting of all people regardless of race, gender or lifestyle choices? Lying to them to cover up a very real truth seems pretty fucked up to me.

My son was raised by two women. His world was full of choices, love and acceptance. We didn’t share our private sexual preferences with him. When he was 15 and asked me about sex I gave him some great books explaining all the different options including role-play and bdsm. I said, “Read these first then come talk to me.” We spent time talking about it. Through the years he’s dabbled in things and we still continue to talk about things openly. I would change my relationship for anything in the world. We have a very honest real bond. I would hide anything from him. He’s literally my best friend.

Get a grip on reality darling. Times are changing.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Dec 4 2003, 10:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Dec 4 2003, 10:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Dianna Vesta@Dec 4 2003, 10:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 10:54 AM
Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???

I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.

You obviously are not a parent or gay.
Now, Dianna - since when does making a dumb statement preclude someone being a parent?[/b][/quote]
lol- ain't that the fucking truth????

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 10:44 AM
Thank GOD!
Atheist!!!!!!!
;-))

[cherrylula]

More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D

[Nickatilynx]

Thank GOD!


OH my R-n!!!! She said the lords name!!!

Stone her!!!!

;-))))

[FATPad]

No one here has ever talked to God, or been a stone. Talks of god and stonings are now out due to lack of qualifications.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 11:13 AM
More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D
I don't beleive you never ever had a gay experience in your life....93% of this board did...what kind of freak are you?
;-)))

[cherrylula]

hahaha I'll be stoned alright, but I try to wait til 4:20.

:nyanya:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 4 2003, 12:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 4 2003, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 11:13 AM
More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D
I don't beleive you never ever had a gay experience in your life....93% of this board did...what kind of freak are you?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
I was really happy once - does that count as a "gay" experience? :unsure:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 4 2003, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 4 2003, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 4 2003, 12:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 11:13 AM
More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D
I don't beleive you never ever had a gay experience in your life....93% of this board did...what kind of freak are you?
;-)))
I was really happy once - does that count as a "gay" experience? :unsure:[/b][/quote]
no comment

;-)))

[KRL]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 4 2003, 11:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 4 2003, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 11:13 AM
More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D
I don't beleive you never ever had a gay experience in your life....93% of this board did...what kind of freak are you?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Just out of curiousity how do you define a "gay experience"?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by KRL+Dec 4 2003, 11:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KRL @ Dec 4 2003, 11:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 4 2003, 11:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 11:13 AM
More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D
I don't beleive you never ever had a gay experience in your life....93% of this board did...what kind of freak are you?
;-)))
Just out of curiousity how do you define a "gay experience"?[/b][/quote]
it would be easier to squeeze the water out of the stone than a comment from me on what you ask
;-)))

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 4 2003, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 4 2003, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 4 2003, 12:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 4 2003, 11:13 AM
More fitting to this thread would be GAYtheist.

:D
I don't beleive you never ever had a gay experience in your life....93% of this board did...what kind of freak are you?
;-)))
I was really happy once - does that count as a "gay" experience? :unsure:[/b][/quote]
lol- peaches too fucking funny.

hoop-de-do hoop-de-da - skipping along feeling gay! :bjump:

[gigi]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Dec 4 2003, 07:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Dec 4 2003, 07:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:41 PM
I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.

I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.

And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means!
I know it seems like I’m targeting you…I’m not. Its comments like yours that really piss me off. No doubt you are shadowed by the same ignorance so many people are.

Being gay is not about sex. It’s a lifestyle choice and should be entitled the same right of choice as anything else. Why should this choice, a relationship/love, be handled like a taboo or forbidden topic? Why can’t people just raise their children to be tolerant and accepting of all people regardless of race, gender or lifestyle choices? Lying to them to cover up a very real truth seems pretty fucked up to me.

My son was raised by two women. His world was full of choices, love and acceptance. We didn’t share our private sexual preferences with him. When he was 15 and asked me about sex I gave him some great books explaining all the different options including role-play and bdsm. I said, “Read these first then come talk to me.” We spent time talking about it. Through the years he’s dabbled in things and we still continue to talk about things openly. I would change my relationship for anything in the world. We have a very honest real bond. I would hide anything from him. He’s literally my best friend.

Get a grip on reality darling. Times are changing.[/b][/quote]
DV, I couldn't have said it better myself :D

:nyanya:

[Fletch XXX]

'Its comments like yours that really piss me off.'

hahaha

[KRL]

When you really take it all to the core everyone has some male and female to an extent in them.

Look at trannies. Some of them you can't tell they aren't female and they look damn fine.

Look at gays, some are ultra masculine, buff and macho and you could never tell in a million years they are gay. Some are ultra feminine.

Same with lesbians. And in my opinion, I think the majority of females have lesbian tendencies and way more women have a lesbian experience than men have a gay experience.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by KRL@Dec 4 2003, 06:02 PM
Same with lesbians. And in my opinion, I think the majority of females have lesbian tendencies and way more women have a lesbian experience than men have a gay experience.
One of man's most common hopes/dreams is that beautiful women really do bump into each other and decide to have wild carpet munching right there on the floor.
Or that he'll come home one night and find his wife waiting for him with a lovely female stranger and ask him if he'd rather watch or participate.

Men hope that all women are lesbians or have lesbian tendencies just like women hope that all men are faithful. :awinky:



Last edited by Carrie at Dec 4 2003, 06:08 PM

[KRL]

Originally posted by Carrie+Dec 4 2003, 06:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Dec 4 2003, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 4 2003, 06:02 PM
Same with lesbians. And in my opinion, I think the majority of females have lesbian tendencies and way more women have a lesbian experience than men have a gay experience.
One of man's most common hopes/dreams is that beautiful women really do bump into each other and decide to have wild carpet munching right there on the floor.
Or that he'll come home one night and find his wife waiting for him with a lovely female stranger and ask him if he'd rather watch or participate.

Men hope that all women are lesbians or have lesbian tendencies just like women hope that all men are faithful. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
And why is that Carrie? I agree completely watching two women go at it is a total turn on. Yet so many people get repulsed by the thought of two guys doing the same thing.

Do women get turned on at all by the fantasy of two men going at it the way us men get turned on by two women?



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[FATPad]

Originally posted by Carrie+Dec 4 2003, 03:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Dec 4 2003, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KRL@Dec 4 2003, 06:02 PM
Same with lesbians. And in my opinion, I think the majority of females have lesbian tendencies and way more women have a lesbian experience than men have a gay experience.
One of man's most common hopes/dreams is that beautiful women really do bump into each other and decide to have wild carpet munching right there on the floor.
Or that he'll come home one night and find his wife waiting for him with a lovely female stranger and ask him if he'd rather watch or participate.

Men hope that all women are lesbians or have lesbian tendencies just like women hope that all men are faithful. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
You're all bisexual.

No women want to admit it. And I'm not saying that you're all oogling other women. But every chick I have ever talked to for real has at some point either experimented or said under the right conditions with the right woman they would do it.

It dates back to caveman times. Big strong caveman has a harem of 12 women. But can only service a limited few each night. So the rest had to do something.

That's my killer theory and I'm sticking by it!

But I do really think all women are bisexual.

[KRL]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 4 2003, 06:16 PM
It dates back to caveman times. Big strong caveman has a harem of 12 women. But can only service a limited few each night. So the rest had to do something.

That's my killer theory and I'm sticking by it!

But I do really think all women are bisexual.
The caveman theory. Thats funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 4 2003, 07:07 PM
Men hope that all women are lesbians or have lesbian tendencies just like women hope that all men are faithful. :awinky:
Pearl! :okthumb:

[KRL]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 4 2003, 06:07 PM
just like women hope that all men are faithful. :awinky:
I honestly think the tide has turned and there are way more unfaithful women than men.

[Kittyfuzz]

My brother, and my sister are "gay". Still amazes me how 2 turned out straight and 2 gay, but oh well. Anyway, in their eyes they were born that way. They don't believe that anyone made them the way they are, but it was there from the moment they were concieved.

Although I can't imagine them ever having children, the discussion has come up a few times. My sister's take on it is that the child would be told they are "roomies" until they were old enough to understand. My brother's take is that the child should know from the beginning. He's the type of person that puts it out there regardless of how much you like it. He doesn't believe in lieing to his family even if it might be for their own good.

As a mother of 3 teenagers, my kids have known about my siblings from the very beginning. And if I myself were gay, I would want them to know. There are several reasons for this, and some might not agree with it, but everyone has their own opinions.

When your kids are in school, especially elementary, there are TONS of performances, plays and school functions. Now, certainly most kids know the word "gay" from the time they are in kindergarden. They may not understand what it means, but they won't hesitate to call another student gay or a fag. Now, at these functions, normally you would see the mother and father, but in a gay relationship, you will see mother and mother, or dad and dad. Eventually, other kids and teachers will ask questions. Then the child has to explain why both parents are of the same sex. Should they not understand it in order to explain it? I think they would be picked on more if they didn't understand. I mean how can you explain something you don't understand? Let's face it, kids can be cruel to one another and if the child isn't armed with knowledge he's just a sitting duck for ridicule.

Sex ed has always been a part of school curriculum . First, in high school you had to take it. They thought wow, there are an aweful lot of middle school kids getting pregnant. So, they added it to middle school curriculum. Now, it's part of the elementary school curriculum. Yes, my kids had to take it in 5th grade. Now, this same child goes to sex ed and they teach about the male and female reproduction process. This kid figures out something is definately wrong there because there isn't a female/male situation at home, and starts wondering why. He then raises his hand and asks the teacher. Now this "unarmed" child has opened himself up to the teasing and rdicule.

Now, if schools were to teach about gay relationships at the same time that they taught hetrosexual relations, perhaps there wouldn't be an issue. But, our schools would much rather not address that and leave it to the parents. Now, the parents get blamed for not teaching them, and they get blamed if they do?????

Also, I wonder if that same 7 year old asked his friend about his mom and mom, and the kid explain what being hetrosexual was, would his friend then be in trouble???


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