What causes us to become...?

[Diamond Jim]

Is it the parents or other authority figures? The people you hang around? The TV programs you watch? A book you read?

How can 2 intelligent people look at the same circumstance and come to such divergent views on cause and effect? How do they see such different realities?

Blows me away...

[KC]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 02:56 PM
Is it the parents or other authority figures? The people you hang around? The TV programs you watch? A book you read?

How can 2 intelligent people look at the same circumstance and come to such divergent views on cause and effect? How do they see such different realities?

Blows me away...
I think I'm more blown away than you. ;)

[dantheman]

I just wish I could get blown :yowsa:

[[Labret]]

Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.

[KC]

In this situation, it's possible that we have a different understanding of the facts.

I find it very hard to believe anyone in the Adult industry doesn't understand the importance of fighting to defend the Constitution even in cases like this.

Think of the Church ladies sitting on the Jury of one of Larry Flynt's Freedom of Speech cases. She might not be a Hustler reader, but her right to practice a religion freely is the very Amendment that allows Larry Flynt to publish his magazine.

[[Labret]]

The very definition of conservative implies it.


Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.


Who needs an education when all you need to do is maintain the status quo? Just follow along like a good ignorant sheep and you will be considered a good conservative.



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[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/L-thinktank.htm

Case and Point

[FATPad]

Are we talking socially or fiscally?

Because I know a lot of people who consider themselves social liberals and financial conservatives.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
Done.

http://www.Hillsdale.edu

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
http://www.edunetwork.com/student/PROF0179.HTM :P

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie+Dec 1 2003, 12:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Dec 1 2003, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
Done.

http://www.Hillsdale.edu[/b][/quote]

yay, a small Christian University. I rest my case.

Creationism, enough said.

[Vick]

Damn - call and respond

Beyond that very good question DJ -

are we back to nature or nurture - implying views could be hardwired

Is it experiences, it is what we learn, what we see, additional exposures, influnces?

Winners write the History Books

How different would World History be written if the Axis won WWII?

[KRL]

People are a little bit of everything more than ever. Hard to find as many total conservatives or total liberals like in the old days.

[Vick]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 03:11 PM
Are we talking socially or fiscally?

Because I know a lot of people who consider themselves social liberals and financial conservatives.
That's me :awinky:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
Universites themselves have a vested interest in liberal idelogy and benefit from it....the tenure system alone is proof of how liberal ideolgy permeates. Merit? Who needs it?

Clearly, there are intelligent people on both sides of liberalism and conservatism. I find the need or desire to label the opponent as "stupid" or "uneducated" a convenient crutch in a real debate. I found it particularly amusing watching Labret and Vick call each other stupid, when the opposite is obvious. Opposing viewpoints, certainly....uneducated or dumb.....no.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick+Dec 1 2003, 12:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Dec 1 2003, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
http://www.edunetwork.com/student/PROF0179.HTM :P[/b][/quote]

Student profile? I could write a profile that said my U was a hotbed of nigger lovers and homos. And to some it probably is.

Puhlease.

Anywho, there is a reason that universities are considered "hotbeds of liberalism". There are no major universities that crank out masses of conservatives. Why? Conservatives loathe education.

An education will require you to ask questions. Questions lead to free thinking. Free thinking bad.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 03:11 PM
Are we talking socially or fiscally?

Because I know a lot of people who consider themselves social liberals and financial conservatives.
I'm talking more of how someone arrives at a particular conclusion that ends up manifesting itself into an ideology....

So, not so much how someone becomes a Liberal or a Conservative....but how someone arrives at the conclusions that end up pointing them in that direction...

A subtle point, I suppose. I like to make the distinction because of the question you raise. One can be socially "liberal" yet fiscally "conservative"...
So for EACH question inside the ideology....how do equally intelligent people come to a different conclusion?

[Winetalk.com]

we don't need no education,
we don't need no thought control,
dark sarcasm in the classroom,
teacher leave us kids alone...
;-)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 03:29 PM
I'm talking more of how someone arrives at a particular conclusion that ends up manifesting itself into an ideology....

So, not so much how someone becomes a Liberal or a Conservative....but how someone arrives at the conclusions that end up pointing them in that direction...

A subtle point, I suppose. I like to make the distinction because of the question you raise. One can be socially "liberal" yet fiscally "conservative"...
So for EACH question inside the ideology....how do equally intelligent people come to a different conclusion?
Bottom line - what benefits me the most

That's just from my perspective




p.s. :P usually denotes sarcasm or HA HA

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 03:56 PM
Is it the parents or other authority figures? The people you hang around? The TV programs you watch? A book you read?

How can 2 intelligent people look at the same circumstance and come to such divergent views on cause and effect? How do they see such different realities?

Blows me away...
It's a combination of people you're around, books/magazines/newspapers that you've read, TV/Movies that you've watched and most of all, experience. Two intelligent people can read/watch/experience completely different events.

Except for PD :awinky:, liberals tend to be young. As they age and get more life experience, many become more conservative. I've watched it happen with myself and each of my 4 siblings, including their spouses. I've rarely seen anyone go from being conservative to being a liberal. I'm sure it exists, but it nothing I've personally witnessed.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Dec 1 2003, 12:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Dec 1 2003, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 03:11 PM
Are we talking socially or fiscally?

Because I know a lot of people who consider themselves social liberals and financial conservatives.
I'm talking more of how someone arrives at a particular conclusion that ends up manifesting itself into an ideology....

So, not so much how someone becomes a Liberal or a Conservative....but how someone arrives at the conclusions that end up pointing them in that direction...

A subtle point, I suppose. I like to make the distinction because of the question you raise. One can be socially "liberal" yet fiscally "conservative"...
So for EACH question inside the ideology....how do equally intelligent people come to a different conclusion?[/b][/quote]
Only reason I ask is because I came at the two conclusions seperately.

The social liberal was all a thinking process for me.

The financial conservative was a combination of how I think things work and two seperate incidents which shoved welfare fraud down my throat.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 1 2003, 12:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 1 2003, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/L-thinktank.htm

Case and Point[/b][/quote]

Good article, I printed that shit out.

"Fact: Conservative think tanks lack the checks and balances of academia, and produce crank science. "

ahahah

[Buff]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 01:56 PM
Is it the parents or other authority figures? The people you hang around? The TV programs you watch? A book you read?

How can 2 intelligent people look at the same circumstance and come to such divergent views on cause and effect? How do they see such different realities?

Blows me away...
I guess for me, it's a matter of wanting other to treat me as an adult capable of making my own decisions and accepting the consequences thereof with forcing others at gunpoint to subsidize my life or absorb the consequences of my actions in my stead.

That's why I'm Libertarian.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 03:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 03:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 1 2003, 12:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/L-thinktank.htm

Case and Point

Good article, I printed that shit out.

"Fact: Conservative think tanks lack the checks and balances of academia, and produce crank science. "

ahahah[/b][/quote]
ahhh..how did I get from
"Educating Rita" to
"Educating Labret"
beats the shit out of me
;-))))

[[Labret]]

ahhh..how did I get from
"Educating Rita" to
"Educating Labret"
beats the shit out of me
;-))))

Educated me? you proved my point with that article. Did you even read it or did you just look for keywords?


Argument

By and large, academia tends to be liberal. There are conservative professors, to be sure, but they are usually moderate, and in the minority. But what of the far right? For many decades now, the far right has been gradually disappearing from American universities (with a few notable exceptions, like the computer science department). The steadily growing influence of liberalism in academia has alarmed many on the far right, because without a source of ideas and theories, the influence of their political movement will crumble.



Education as a cure for the disease of conservatism.



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[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 02:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
George Mason

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 02:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Vick@Dec 1 2003, 12:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
http://www.edunetwork.com/student/PROF0179.HTM :P

Student profile? I could write a profile that said my U was a hotbed of nigger lovers and homos. And to some it probably is.

Puhlease.

Anywho, there is a reason that universities are considered "hotbeds of liberalism". There are no major universities that crank out masses of conservatives. Why? Conservatives loathe education.

An education will require you to ask questions. Questions lead to free thinking. Free thinking bad.[/b][/quote]
The truth is exactly the opposite of your claim:

There is NO education in universities. The default position for an uneducated person is leftist. "Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.

It's not until a person understands basic economics that he can be on the right side of the issues.

Business schools = conservative and libertarian.

Sociology = leftist.

Glad to see you've aligned yourself with the morons.

[Vick]

Couldn't resist going off track

http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=2340


FATPad - very good points and very similar here again with what is best for me

Serge - :blink: ugh he he he



edit for sp error



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[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 02:56 PM
Is it the parents or other authority figures? The people you hang around? The TV programs you watch? A book you read?

How can 2 intelligent people look at the same circumstance and come to such divergent views on cause and effect? How do they see such different realities?

Blows me away...
All of that and more. Whether it be religion, politics, morals, all of a persons life experiences come together to make who and what they are. It isn't just one thing as, for example, I'm the only one in my family who doesn't believe in God.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:44 PM
ahhh..how did I get from
"Educating Rita" to
"Educating Labret"
beats the shit out of me
;-))))

Educated me? you proved my point with that article. Did you even read it or did you just look for keywords?


Argument

By and large, academia tends to be liberal. There are conservative professors, to be sure, but they are usually moderate, and in the minority. But what of the far right? For many decades now, the far right has been gradually disappearing from American universities (with a few notable exceptions, like the computer science department). The steadily growing influence of liberalism in academia has alarmed many on the far right, because without a source of ideas and theories, the influence of their political movement will crumble.



Education as a cure for the disease of conservatism.
and what did exactly give you an idea I was arguing with you???

I just gave you the ammunition to be more argumentative
;-))


do you really expect to be whacked on the head every time you post on Oprano?

I told you long ago,
therer are a few things I agree with you and you'll never guess which ones
;-))

that happened to be one of them
;_)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 1 2003, 12:48 PM



The default position for an uneducated person is leftist.


So the trailer parks and truck stops of America are stomping grounds for lefties?


Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?


Business schools = conservative and libertarian.

Sociology = leftist.

Glad to see you've aligned yourself with the morons.


That is one of the strangest arguments I have ever seen.

Business schools are tech schools. I suspect there is not a good deal of social sciences, art, or lit classes at "business school".

Why would a business school not crank out neocons? They are not being educated, they are not taught critical thinking skills, they are taught to crunch numbers, not debate social theory.

I am arguing with a guy who pays hookers to blow him on camera.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 1 2003, 03:34 PM
Except for PD :awinky:, liberals tend to be young. As they age and get more life experience, many become more conservative. I've watched it happen with myself and each of my 4 siblings, including their spouses. I've rarely seen anyone go from being conservative to being a liberal. I'm sure it exists, but it nothing I've personally witnessed.
See, I am the opposite, Peaches. Not in belief structure, but in the practical applications. I have had to modify my philosophy to be realistic, rather than ideal.

Take a subset of Buff's point...

Philosophically, I am opposed to the notion of welfare in ANY form. You can't hold a job, earn a living, whatever.....too fucking bad. Starve. I fail to see why MY money is confiscated to pay for someone else's life. I don't recognize the morals that say I owe something to someone I've never met and will never know. However, the philosophical ideal of that is different than the practical reality of dealing with the entity who won't earn his way. He's here, so what we do with him?

I can agree with some liberal mindsets that our best alternative is to do some of the things they do. What I can't agree with or fathom the conclusion some liberals come to, is the philosophy that we REALLY DO owe people we've never met, don't care about, have no relation to, etc....

Dealing with practical reality and BELIEVING in something are completely different things.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 1 2003, 12:52 PM

I just gave you the ammunition to be more argumentative
;-))




Not required. It comes natural. :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:56 PM


I am arguing with a guy who pays hookers to blow him on camera.
said the guy who sells animal sex on the Internet
;_)))

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 02:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 1 2003, 12:48 PM



The default position for an uneducated person is leftist.


So the trailer parks and truck stops of America are stomping grounds for lefties?


Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?


Business schools = conservative and libertarian.

Sociology = leftist.

Glad to see you've aligned yourself with the morons.


That is one of the strangest arguments I have ever seen.

Business schools are tech schools. I suspect there is not a good deal of social sciences, art, or lit classes at "business school".

Why would a business school not crank out neocons? They are not being educated, they are not taught critical thinking skills, they are taught to crunch numbers, not debate social theory.

I am arguing with a guy who pays hookers to blow him on camera.[/b][/quote]
I have never paid a hooker to do anything.

And Austrian Economic Theory has no number crunching whatsoever.

Maybe you should take some classes and get an education.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 1 2003, 12:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 1 2003, 12:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 03:56 PM


I am arguing with a guy who pays hookers to blow him on camera.
said the guy who sells animal sex on the Internet
;_)))[/b][/quote]

aahaaha

Sold, past tense. And I was more of a producer.

Anywho, I have to poop and then I am off for more liberal indoctrination.

Back in a couple hours.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?

[Buff]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 1 2003, 03:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 1 2003, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?[/b][/quote]
He has. He's just an idiot and can't put 2 and 2 together, because he's a sociology major.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 04:56 PM
Philosophically, I am opposed to the notion of welfare in ANY form. You can't hold a job, earn a living, whatever.....too fucking bad. Starve. I fail to see why MY money is confiscated to pay for someone else's life. I don't recognize the morals that say I owe something to someone I've never met and will never know. However, the philosophical ideal of that is different than the practical reality of dealing with the entity who won't earn his way. He's here, so what we do with him?

I can agree with some liberal mindsets that our best alternative is to do some of the things they do. What I can't agree with or fathom the conclusion some liberals come to, is the philosophy that we REALLY DO owe people we've never met, don't care about, have no relation to, etc....

Dealing with practical reality and BELIEVING in something are completely different things.
Perhaps there's a shared blur in SOME instances between the "conservative" way of thinking and the "liberal" way of thinking. :)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 1 2003, 05:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 1 2003, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?[/b][/quote]
It's even worse than that. I do volunteer work for a consumer group in Atlanta and some of the crackpot ideas we get are bizarre.

Just some examples:

Everyone should be paid a fair living wage. If a man is married has 5 kids and is doing the exact same job as a single man, then the "family" man should make a lot more $$$ than the single man. After all, he needs it more.

All businesses should provide full healthcare insurance, cost free, to their employees. If you don't work, then of course the government should provide it.

No one in a business should make X% more than the lowest wage earner.

Workers with families should have more time off than those who are single.

And again - just a few examples and I talk to 10-20 of these people A WEEK. :zoinks:

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 1 2003, 01:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 1 2003, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 05:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?
It's even worse than that. I do volunteer work for a consumer group in Atlanta and some of the crackpot ideas we get are bizarre.

Just some examples:

Everyone should be paid a fair living wage. If a man is married has 5 kids and is doing the exact same job as a single man, then the "family" man should make a lot more $$$ than the single man. After all, he needs it more.

All businesses should provide full healthcare insurance, cost free, to their employees. If you don't work, then of course the government should provide it.

No one in a business should make X% more than the lowest wage earner.

Workers with families should have more time off than those who are single.

And again - just a few examples and I talk to 10-20 of these people A WEEK. :zoinks:[/b][/quote]
The only one in there I agree with is the healthcare.

And I know it makes me a commy. ;) But I do think in the richest country in the world, people should be able to get reasonable quality healthcare at any time.

The rest of that stuff is retarded though. ;)

[JR]

as i have said a few times here, i think it is the difference in being left or right brain dominant. some people use both hemispheres equally.

how can two people look at the same issue and see totally different things?

how can two people look at this picture, see totally different things? because the evidence is there to show that both people can see two totally different things and be 100% correct

http://www.exploratorium.edu/xref/exhibits/images/old_woman_or_young_girl.gif

[Peaches]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 05:21 PM
The only one in there I agree with is the healthcare.

And I know it makes me a commy. ;) But I do think in the richest country in the world, people should be able to get reasonable quality healthcare at any time.

But why should someone else pay for it? :o Why should there be laws that say I have to pay for my employee's health insurance? And if I have to, then where are the laws that say my employees have to take care of their own health by not over eating, smoking, etc.?

Top notch healthcare is available to every citizen AND illegal alien in the US. There are laws which prevent ANYONE standing on US soil to be denied life saving medical treatment.

However, go to a public hospital some night and see the people sitting in the ER waiting room with minor problems. It will cost a minimum of $400 to the taxpayers when the patient could have gone to a clinic for $15. But the ER is free, so they go there. I have no pity for those people, sorry. :(

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 1 2003, 04:17 PM
Just some examples:

Everyone should be paid a fair living wage. If a man is married has 5 kids and is doing the exact same job as a single man, then the "family" man should make a lot more $$$ than the single man. After all, he needs it more.

All businesses should provide full healthcare insurance, cost free, to their employees. If you don't work, then of course the government should provide it.

No one in a business should make X% more than the lowest wage earner.

Workers with families should have more time off than those who are single.

And again - just a few examples and I talk to 10-20 of these people A WEEK. :zoinks:
Exactly my point, Peaches...

These people BELIEVE in these thoughts....it is their philosophy of life....and it's not just some trailer-trash, welfare-skimming, peons....this thinking was born in academia, not the pub...

Read the "history" of the Twentieth Century Motor Company. It follows these "ideas" to their logical and inevitable conclusion. :wnw:

[LadyLaw]

IMHO, liberals tend to be better educated and have a better sense of all the wonderful possibilities "the government" could provide to the needy to make life better for everyone. A separate class of "liberals" are the uneducated poor who have a well-developed sense of entitlement to government assistance.

Conservatives tend to be more pragmatic. Their first question is usually, "How are we going to pay for it?". Conservatives generally believe a person's lot in life is determined by their own actions, and are unwilling to pay to subsidize personal choices that do not reflect their own work-ethic.

I agree with you Peaches that people tend to become more "pragmatic" as they get older.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 1 2003, 01:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 1 2003, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 05:21 PM
The only one in there I agree with is the healthcare.

And I know it makes me a commy. ;) But I do think in the richest country in the world, people should be able to get reasonable quality healthcare at any time.

But why should someone else pay for it? :o Why should there be laws that say I have to pay for my employee's health insurance? And if I have to, then where are the laws that say my employees have to take care of their own health by not over eating, smoking, etc.?

Top notch healthcare is available to every citizen AND illegal alien in the US. There are laws which prevent ANYONE standing on US soil to be denied life saving medical treatment.

However, go to a public hospital some night and see the people sitting in the ER waiting room with minor problems. It will cost a minimum of $400 to the taxpayers when the patient could have gone to a clinic for $15. But the ER is free, so they go there. I have no pity for those people, sorry. :([/b][/quote]
The only thing I will say is that having life saving treatment guaranteed for free is great, but sometimes the preventative stuff would save more money in the long run.

I know it would be abused, and I'm not totally certain I would actually support a national healthcare plan. It's just the one thing on your list I agreed with at all in any way. ;) Perhaps I should have said that initially instead of what I did.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by LadyLaw@Dec 1 2003, 01:52 PM
Conservatives tend to be more pragmatic. Their first question is usually, "How are we going to pay for it?".
This doesn't sound like George Bush to me. How much is he spending on this war again?

[sperbonzo]

I think you have the wrong labels here. You should be saying right wing or left wing or moderate, conservative/liberal are social perspectives only.

I'm right wing from having gone through some REALLY REALLY tough times and pulling myself out of it by my own hard work, and at the same time watching lazy suckers just lay around and suck off the system while complaining that they don't get enough help.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:08 PM
Lack of education.

Show me a university that is considered a bastion of conservatism.
Not only that but how often do you hear of a right-wing artist?

Why aren't conservatives creative? And no, I'm not talking about creative accounting.





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[LadyLaw]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Dec 1 2003, 05:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Dec 1 2003, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyLaw@Dec 1 2003, 01:52 PM
Conservatives tend to be more pragmatic. Their first question is usually, "How are we going to pay for it?".
This doesn't sound like George Bush to me. How much is he spending on this war again?[/b][/quote]
Conservative politicians are generally willing to pay BIG bucks for what they consider legitimate functions of government....things like defense spending, military, and law enforcement.

In a reversal of the usual roles, it is now the liberals who ask, "How are we going to pay for this...."???

[sarettah]

fiddy political schools of thought.............

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Dec 1 2003, 02:05 PM

Not only that but how often do you hear of a right-wing artist?

Why aren't conservatives creative? And no, I'm not talking about creative accounting.

You god damn filthy communist, obviously you have never heard our Attorney General rock the fucking neocon box nigga.

http://www.donweeks.com/donweeks/clips/200...02/ASHCROF1.mp3 (http://www.donweeks.com/donweeks/clips/2002/ASHCROF1.mp3)

Let the Eagle Fly.

Republican or neocon art, ahahaha.

I always love to listen to the confused porn sheep bleat about their love for conservative thought. The same ideology that seeks their very destruction, try and figure that one out. Its like a Third Reich loving Jew who loves Hitlers policy on the environment. I dont give a fuck what Bush and the rest of his corporate xtian Taliban cabinet think on issues I might even remotely agree with, you want to rid the country of how I make my living? Piss off.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 1 2003, 01:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 1 2003, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?[/b][/quote]

Where in that did you read I have never heard anyone ask for raising the minimum wage? To 1000 an hour? No, I have heard some absurd shit in my day, but nothing quite that stupid. I was not even aware that minimum wage debate was just a lefty issue. Henry Ford figured out long ago that by paying your employees more, you could get them to work longer and consume more... which I thought was a good thing in a capitalist society.

Yeah, keep your people poor and then complain they dont spend any money. Sounds like some radical lefty theory to me. Buff is funny.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 02:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Joe Sixpack@Dec 1 2003, 02:05 PM

Not only that but how often do you hear of a right-wing artist?

Why aren't conservatives creative? And no, I'm not talking about creative accounting.

You god damn filthy communist, obviously you have never heard our Attorney General rock the fucking neocon box nigga.

http://www.donweeks.com/donweeks/clips/200...02/ASHCROF1.mp3 (http://www.donweeks.com/donweeks/clips/2002/ASHCROF1.mp3)

Let the Eagle Fly.

Republican or neocon art, ahahaha.[/b][/quote]
That is absolutely fucking hilarious.

He'd be a hit at an over 50's karaoke night.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 03:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 01:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?

Where in that did you read I have never heard anyone ask for raising the minimum wage? To 1000 an hour? No, I have heard some absurd shit in my day, but nothing quite that stupid. I was not even aware that minimum wage debate was just a lefty issue. Henry Ford figured out long ago that by paying your employees more, you could get them to work longer and consume more... which I thought was a good thing in a capitalist society.

Yeah, keep your people poor and then complain they dont spend any money. Sounds like some radical lefty theory to me. Buff is funny.[/b][/quote]
The $1000/hour was probably an exageration.

Raising the wages for *your* workers may be great. Raising the national minimum wage does nothing for anybody.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 05:53 PM
I always love to listen to the confused porn sheep bleat about their love for conservative thought.
Any examples of "conservative" thought being bleated you can quote? I'm curious as to how they are defining "conservative" thought in academia these days....

Be back after dinner!

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by LadyLaw@Dec 1 2003, 04:52 PM
IMHO, liberals tend to be better educated
LadyLaw is that what they teach in Law schools these days??

cuz i heard that exact same response last night when i asked a friend why most lawyers are Liberals / Dems

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 05:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Dec 1 2003, 01:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 1 2003, 12:56 PM

Why doesn't the government just print the money to cover the debt?" "Why don't we set the minimum wage at $1000/hr so everyone can be rich?" etc.


I have never heard anyone make that argument. Source?
You've never heard people clamor for minimum wage increases so the poor people can do better?

Where in that did you read I have never heard anyone ask for raising the minimum wage? To 1000 an hour? No, I have heard some absurd shit in my day, but nothing quite that stupid. I was not even aware that minimum wage debate was just a lefty issue. Henry Ford figured out long ago that by paying your employees more, you could get them to work longer and consume more... which I thought was a good thing in a capitalist society.

Yeah, keep your people poor and then complain they dont spend any money. Sounds like some radical lefty theory to me. Buff is funny.[/b][/quote]
So now it behooves business to increase its costs by paying greater than the market wage for labor.

Brilliant economic theory you have there, Keynes. Any other ignorance you want to share with us?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 1 2003, 04:43 PM

So now it behooves business to increase its costs by paying greater than the market wage for labor.

Brilliant economic theory you have there, Keynes. Any other ignorance you want to share with us?

My theory? I just said what Ford did that flies in the face of what the brilliant porn actor economist Buff claims. Problem with it? Hash it out with Hank.

Why, under the burden of such a brilliant mind, do you insist on working for pennies banging prostitutes? Surely you should be working for Rand er somethin.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 1 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 1 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 1 2003, 04:43 PM

So now it behooves business to increase its costs by paying greater than the market wage for labor.

Brilliant economic theory you have there, Keynes. Any other ignorance you want to share with us?

My theory? I just said what Ford did that flies in the face of what the brilliant porn actor economist Buff claims. Problem with it? Hash it out with Hank.

Why, under the burden of such a brilliant mind, do you insist on working for pennies banging prostitutes? Surely you should be working for Rand er somethin.[/b][/quote]
You mean like study sociology at a leftist shithole university?

Nah, I have other plans.

[PornoDoggy]

I'm not sure which is more idiotic - [labert]'s assertion that there are no "thinking" conservatives or Buffy's $1000 an hour minimum wage statement. Granted, the Anne Coulters of today aren't worthy of sharpening the pencils of a Wm. F. Buckley, but there are just as many - or, more correctly, just as few - thinking conservatives as there are liberals. And sheep bleating is sheep bleating ... whether it's the born again crowd or the perpetual (as opposed to the professional) academics.

Peaches - I heard that. After I have my geritol, I may think of a witty retort, if I can think of one that won't piss off your lovers, Gonzo and Confucy. :D

I'm from a mixed home - one New Deal Democrat White Trash Baptist and a moderate Republican German Catholic. Not so strangely enough, the majority of the White Trash side of the family has become Republican; the German side is split pretty much down the middle between what Torone would call RINO (McCain style Republicans) and Democrats.

The main thing that casued me to go further left was civil rights.

While the crackers and their fellow travellers like to talk about the 130+ years since the end of slavery, I am old enough to remember folks, many of them veterans of the U.S. military, getting killed for wanting to vote or the right to get food poisoning from a dime store lunch counter. I am old enough to remember terrorists blowing up churches and murdering people with the protection, if not support and cooperation, of a number of state governments, and sometimes even the FBI. I am old enough to remember watching scumbags like Bull Connor send police dogs and fire hoses on school children.

The more I listened to the blatant racism of my grandfather, and the convoluted semilogic of my father (who tried to put a wrapper on his racism so that it didn't sound like grandpop) - the more I began to drift left.

DJ - in the abstract, I tend to agree with you and Marie Antoinette. As a pratical matter, however, it's never worked.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 1 2003, 09:42 PM
DJ - in the abstract, I tend to agree with you and Marie Antoinette. As a pratical matter, however, it's never worked.
Well, I can't say my method has ever really been tried. :)

However, I would tend to agree with you. The same human nature that makes communism a failure would make my ideal philosophy a failure also. Like most things, what works is somewhere in the middle...

Still waiting for the conservative sheep bleating quotes. As it typical, rhetoric above substance....but then, that's the plan, anyway...

[PornoDoggy]

Still waiting for the conservative sheep bleating quotes. As it typical, rhetoric above substance....but then, that's the plan, anyway...

If I was a smartass, Jim, I'd suggest you look at any post by Torone and a couple of others ... it's often as predictable as the dolls you pull the string to get them to talk. One easy way to tell is the frequency with which the find a way to work Clinton into the conversation.

I don't think conservatives bleat any more than liberals do. Hell, I may get kicked out of the Liberal's club just for admitting that liberals are just as likely to bleat as conservatives are.



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[Carrie]

Of course how you are raised and what your parents' political affiliations are is going to be a huge factor, but I think the biggest factor in determining someone's political beliefs is experience.

In my experience, sitting in a class talking about the wonders of welfare, free health care, and poor people is quite different than being in the trenches actually counseling those people from week to week and seeing how they do their damndest to use and abuse the system.

Being "poor" and turning around one day to find that you're "comfortable" is an eye-opener as well, especially when you take a look at your check and see how much of it is being ripped away from you to pay for those same system abusers you were counseling a couple of years before.

Experience is what you gain as you grow older, which is why *I* think that most people grow more conservative as they grow older. They lose the ideallic dream of how good society could be "if only"... and experience the truth of how the majority of people are lazy and will cheat at the slightest opportunity, exploit something until it's gone all just for a handout that they don't have to work for.

You start seeing how the people busting their asses day in and day out are being punished, while the people sitting back collecting your tax dollars that you worked for are being rewarded more and more for their refusal to get off of their duffs and take responsibility for themselves.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 2 2003, 12:27 AM
Of course how you are raised and what your parents' political affiliations are is going to be a huge factor, but I think the biggest factor in determining someone's political beliefs is experience.

In my experience, sitting in a class talking about the wonders of welfare, free health care, and poor people is quite different than being in the trenches actually counseling those people from week to week and seeing how they do their damndest to use and abuse the system.

Being "poor" and turning around one day to find that you're "comfortable" is an eye-opener as well, especially when you take a look at your check and see how much of it is being ripped away from you to pay for those same system abusers you were counseling a couple of years before.

Experience is what you gain as you grow older, which is why *I* think that most people grow more conservative as they grow older. They lose the ideallic dream of how good society could be "if only"... and experience the truth of how the majority of people are lazy and will cheat at the slightest opportunity, exploit something until it's gone all just for a handout that they don't have to work for.

You start seeing how the people busting their asses day in and day out are being punished, while the people sitting back collecting your tax dollars that you worked for are being rewarded more and more for their refusal to get off of their duffs and take responsibility for themselves.
Have you been working in different trenches than I have?

While I know there is fraud in the system, I've personally worked with a lot of people who've ran into hard times, I'm met a LOT who simply need a little help getting back on their feet and are trying their damnedest to do it...I've also had to deal with a lot of people with various mental disorders (not including myself ;-)) and these are the people who are forgotten when we talk about welfare and medical handouts...for every "able bodied" person mooching off the system, I can find equal numbers or even more who suffer from various mental problems...

While I don't believe in cradle to grave handouts, I see no societal problem with helping our less fortunate..many many of whom just need a little help once in awhile, especially if they are faced with mental problems which have a lot to do with things like the ability to hold a job or even a conversation.

Having spent a lot of time helping out in homeless shelters, I've come across people who've lost their homes and have problems getting back on their feet (hard to get a job without a phone and an address).

It's easy to say "well, they made a choice, now live with it" but should someone lose thier whole life over a mistake? Once beyond that point, they might just need a simple handup and are more than happy to work for it.

Isn't it ironic than Ronald Reagen cut spending on mental health programs and now suffers from alzheimers?

as for my nurturing, my mother isn't very politcal at all but is pretty mucha liberal, help your fello man type of person and my father went into Vietnam a red, white and blue conservative loe it or leave it type guy and came out a very changed man and very liberal but the last decade or so hasn't really voted along any party line...

[Torone]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 1 2003, 01:56 PM
Is it the parents or other authority figures? The people you hang around? The TV programs you watch? A book you read?

How can 2 intelligent people look at the same circumstance and come to such divergent views on cause and effect? How do they see such different realities?

Blows me away...
It's a matter of intelligence and education. Someone further down tried to make the point that most universities are liberal; therefore Liberals are better educated. Sorry, that's NOT education, it's indoctrination...most of the people coming out of those places cannot read, write, or spell above jr. high school levels.

Think about the way Libs want to do things...read up enough to see what their agenda is. I have. I also was watching when Kruschev was shouting, "We'll bury you!". The USSR is dead; but the philosophy lives on...China, Viet Nam, France, Berkely, the DNC, etc.

My point is that Conservatives look at things logically; and Libs look emotionally. The aforementioned philosophy fits their way of doing things to a "T". Problem is, countries trying it are doomed. It sounds great; but sooner or later, there is no one left to pay the bills. Then, if the country can't coerce money out of other countries, the same thing happens that happened to the USSR.



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[[Labret]]

It's a matter of intelligence and education. Someone further down tried to make the point that most universities are liberal; therefore Liberals are better educated. Sorry, that's NOT education, it's indoctrination...most of the people coming out of those places cannot read, write, or spell above jr. high school levels.


Jesus, what a load of horse shit. What never fails to amaze me is those of you who have never even attended any secondary education like to incessantly comment about what it is, what it requires, and what it produces.


Think about the way Libs want to do things...read up enough to see what their agenda is. I have. I also was watching when Kruschev was shouting, "We'll bury you!". The USSR is dead; but the philosophy lives on...China, Viet Nam, France, Berkely, the DNC, etc.


France, Berkely, and the DNC are "communist"? Holy shit, turn off Fox news for a day.


My point is that Conservatives look at things logically; and Libs look emotionally. The aforementioned philosophy fits their way of doing things to a "T". Problem is, countries trying it are doomed. It sounds great; but sooner or later, there is no one left to pay the bills. Then, if the country can't coerce money out of other countries, the same thing happens that happened to the USSR.


Ahh yes, the icing on your mongoloid cupcake... "conservatives look at things logically". Hillbilly logic perhaps. Wrong, conservatives are largerly uneducated reactionary idealogues. Conservatives love the silver bullet approach to problem solving. I am neck deep in studying the penal harm movement right now, and it is a glowing example of "conservative logic". And as a result, we now incarcerate more of our own citizens than any other nation in the world. California alone incarcerates more people than all of Europe's prisons combined. We now incarcerate more people per 100k of population than the Soviet Union did. And we liberated the people of Iraq? But I digress. Conservatives love mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, penal harm, elimination of parole, etc etc. And as a result the land of the free now holds the dubious position of kings of global incarceration. That is conservative logic in action.

You will try and argue that the war on porn by Ashcroft is a result of a "logical" conclusion? Please do, I want to hear it.


Problem is, countries trying it are doomed


Humor me and show me the countries that have attempted true communism as Marx outlined. There are no true communist countries, never have been. Typical reactionary hillbilly rhetoric. People attempting communism were viewed as such a threat to the United States that we spent the better part of the 20th century attempting to crush it wherever it reared its ugly ugly head. Sorta kinda hard to flourish with the United States trying to kick your ass wherever the people rise up. Why did the US feel communism was such a threat? Put down the Coulter and step away from the tv slowly. I am amazed any country that deviates from true unfettered American style capitalism manages to feed its people.

How do all these socialist countries around the world do it? After all, socialism is merely the intermediate between communism and capitalism.



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[wig]

Torone,

The conservatives, and by that I mean the Republicans you support, are just as prone to indoctrination and socialism as the Dems.

The difference is, they more reflect your individual ideology.

There are folks on both sides that think logically and/or emotionally.

Thankfully, the purposely frustrating, two-party system that we have helps to keep things in check!

[Winetalk.com]

We now incarcerate more people per 100k of population than the Soviet Union ever did.
***********************************

are you naive or just poorly educated???
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, son.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 06:25 AM
We now incarcerate more people per 100k of population than the Soviet Union ever did.
***********************************

are you naive or just poorly educated???
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, son.

Yeah, my apologies, I will make sure and tell my professor, who has spent the last 40 years working in corrections and developing correctional policy for the federal government, that his stats are indeed.... wrong.

A retired russian click broker says so.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 09:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 06:25 AM
We now incarcerate more people per 100k of population than the Soviet Union ever did.
***********************************

are you naive or just poorly educated???
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, son.

Yeah, my apologies, I will make sure and tell my professor, who has spent the last 40 years working in corrections and developing correctional policy for the federal government, that his stats are indeed.... wrong.

A retired russian click broker says so.[/b][/quote]
and he wouldn't be the FIRST proffessor who is wrong, or do you eat from the palm of the hand of stas giving you by "academia"?

please tell him that Serge says that he is full of shit and invite him over...
he won't be the first professor I beaten up with facts also.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:28 AM
Yeah, my apologies, I will make sure and tell my professor, who has spent the last 40 years working in corrections and developing correctional policy for the federal government, that his stats are indeed.... wrong.
And you think WE'RE the sheep? :unsure:

While I do agree with you that we have too many people sitting in jail who have committed victimless crimes, to believe every thing ANYONE tells you isn't very smart. :(

[FATPad]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 06:21 AM
Conservatives love mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, penal harm, elimination of parole, etc etc. And as a result the land of the free now holds the dubious position of kings of global incarceration. That is conservative logic in action.
I would love to hear your solution.

What do you do with people who are repeat offenders, especially for violent crimes?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 2 2003, 09:51 AM
What do you do with people who are repeat offenders, especially for violent crimes?
Send em to Australia ? :unsure:
















:yowsa:

[[Labret]]

or do you eat from the palm of the hand of stas giving you by "academia"?


Again, I am not quite sure what you uneducated folk think happens when you walk through those doors, but as the article you posted on neocon think tanks so eloquently stated, academia has checks and balances. You dont become a phd and a leader in your field by just making shit up. The entire process is nothing but defending yourself from nonstop attacks on your theories or arguments. Trust me my dearest Serge, if someone tries to spit out bullshit statistics or crackpot science, someone will be there to ram it up their ass, THAT is what academia is in a nutshell. A bunch of nerds doing their best to discredit and destroy someone elses lifes work. Checks and balances.

So in light of that, do I accept the findings of someone who has spent the better part of his life fighting his way to the top of the academic food chain on some statistics as trivial as rates of Soviet imprisonment per 100k of population? Yeah, I do. Like I said, if he was lying, someone would be there to point it out, and they wouldnt do it nicely.

This reminds me of the time Buff claimed to have destroyed Noam Chomsky in an email debate, god thats funny.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 06:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 06:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:28 AM
Yeah, my apologies, I will make sure and tell my professor, who has spent the last 40 years working in corrections and developing correctional policy for the federal government, that his stats are indeed.... wrong.
And you think WE'RE the sheep? :unsure:

While I do agree with you that we have too many people sitting in jail who have committed victimless crimes, to believe every thing ANYONE tells you isn't very smart. :([/b][/quote]

Your post is answered above.

I guess it just depends on your priorities. Some people trust the President... when it comes to something as trivial as ROI stats provided by someone who is considered a leader in the field, yeah, I am not going to shit my pants and demand sources. I suspect in his 40 years of thesis defense that he has earned his stripes. I dont expect you to understand the process.

From this point on I will require sources from you, I dont want to believe that you have accepted anything anyone has had to say at face value without the proper due diligence.



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[wig]

Hey Labret, I find some of the things you post interesting, although I am certain we probably disagree on much.

I am curious, though... You spoke about leaving the US because of the consumer indoctrination (among others I suppose) and the course the country is on.

Where would you go?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:01 AM
Your post is answered above.
If you think for one minute that "facts" aren't created in academia, you're kidding yourself. My brother just left his post doctorate "position" (I put that in quotes because it only paid $35K a year and HE was responsible for the almost 100 hours he put into filling out the paperwork for his grant request which paid that $35K) at Duke in genetics because of what he saw once he reached the "lofty levels". And he was dealing with MEDICAL studies which were fudged. If you think the same can't be done by a teacher dealing with prison populations, you truly aren't as smart as you think you are. Again, I would never trust ONE PERSON as a source for any information. :(

BTW, no, I don't have a college degree (went two years but then got married and became a housewife) but I'm the ONLY one in my family for 4 generations who doesn't have a degree and most have masters and/or PhD's. I've been around "educated" people all my life and I can assure you, there's a lot to be said for plain common sense and not everyone who's formally educated, has it. :awinky:

[Vick]

Originally posted by FATPad+Dec 2 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Dec 2 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 06:21 AM
Conservatives love mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, penal harm, elimination of parole, etc etc. And as a result the land of the free now holds the dubious position of kings of global incarceration. That is conservative logic in action.
I would love to hear your solution.

What do you do with people who are repeat offenders, especially for violent crimes?[/b][/quote]
I second this ......



.... and the answer may be one of the few things you and I agree on Labret

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 09:57 AM

or do you eat from the palm of the hand of stas giving you by "academia"?


Again, I am not quite sure what you uneducated folk think happens when you walk through those doors, but as the article you posted on neocon think tanks so eloquently stated, academia has checks and balances. You dont become a phd and a leader in your field by just making shit up. The entire process is nothing but defending yourself from nonstop attacks on your theories or arguments. Trust me my dearest Serge, if someone tries to spit out bullshit statistics or crackpot science, someone will be there to ram it up their ass, THAT is what academia is in a nutshell. A bunch of nerds doing their best to discredit and destroy someone elses lifes work. Checks and balances.

So in light of that, do I accept the findings of someone who has spent the better part of his life fighting his way to the top of the academic food chain on some statistics as trivial as rates of Soviet imprisonment per 100k of population? Yeah, I do. Like I said, if he was lying, someone would be there to point it out, and they wouldnt do it nicely.

This reminds me of the time Buff claimed to have destroyed Noam Chomsky in an email debate, god thats funny.
so, IOW, you just take without questioning ANYTHING delivered to you on the platter...
and you call yourself "rebe"? Independent Thinker?
Labret, THINK of what you are posting, look at the mirror and come to the logical conclusion
;l-)))

you just worship the different Gods,
you are a "true beleiver" and you have no questioning bone in your body
;_)))


...and his statistic IS wrong!

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 09:57 AM

or do you eat from the palm of the hand of stas giving you by "academia"?


Again, I am not quite sure what you uneducated folk think happens when you walk through those doors, but as the article you posted on neocon think tanks so eloquently stated, academia has checks and balances. You dont become a phd and a leader in your field by just making shit up. The entire process is nothing but defending yourself from nonstop attacks on your theories or arguments. Trust me my dearest Serge, if someone tries to spit out bullshit statistics or crackpot science, someone will be there to ram it up their ass, THAT is what academia is in a nutshell. A bunch of nerds doing their best to discredit and destroy someone elses lifes work. Checks and balances.

If you accepted it, even with 40 years studies credit to his work

Is it possible that many others have?

While there is much critical thinking involved how much "gladhanding and backslapping" may go on? Every coin has 3 sides


and one of my favorite sayings to quote

"Lies, damn lies and statistics"

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Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 10:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 10:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:01 AM
Your post is answered above.
If you think for one minute that "facts" aren't created in academia, you're kidding yourself. My brother just left his post doctorate "position" (I put that in quotes because it only paid $35K a year and HE was responsible for the almost 100 hours he put into filling out the paperwork for his grant request which paid that $35K) at Duke in genetics because of what he saw once he reached the "lofty levels". And he was dealing with MEDICAL studies which were fudged. If you think the same can't be done by a teacher dealing with prison populations, you truly aren't as smart as you think you are. Again, I would never trust ONE PERSON as a source for any information. :(

BTW, no, I don't have a college degree (went two years but then got married and became a housewife) but I'm the ONLY one in my family for 4 generations who doesn't have a degree and most have masters and/or PhD's. I've been around "educated" people all my life and I can assure you, there's a lot to be said for plain common sense and not everyone who's formally educated, has it. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Peaches, :inlove:

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Originally posted by Vick@Dec 2 2003, 10:27 AM


"Lies, damn lies and statistics"
of course!

why include 20,000,000 DEAD in the statistics,
they were only 10% of the population, but after death they are not incarcerated no more
;-)))

Poor Labret....watching him spanking himself is fun
;-)))

you'd be better off talking about Communist China and I am less familiar about...

[[Labret]]

If you think for one minute that "facts" aren't created in academia, you're kidding yourself. My brother just left his post doctorate "position" (I put that in quotes because it only paid $35K a year and HE was responsible for the almost 100 hours he put into filling out the paperwork for his grant request which paid that $35K) at Duke in genetics because of what he saw once he reached the "lofty levels". And he was dealing with MEDICAL studies which were fudged. If you think the same can't be done by a teacher dealing with prison populations, you truly aren't as smart as you think you are. Again, I would never trust ONE PERSON as a source for any information. :(

BTW, no, I don't have a college degree (went two years but then got married and became a housewife) but I'm the ONLY one in my family for 4 generations who doesn't have a degree and most have masters and/or PhD's. I've been around "educated" people all my life and I can assure you, there's a lot to be said for plain common sense and not everyone who's formally educated, has it. :awinky:



God its like beating my head against a fucking wall. Listen, we are all well aware how statistics are manipulated and created, in fact, we are required to take courses in statistics and methods of social research in order to learn to how to deal with such matters. Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.

I will say this one more time. Checks and fucking balances. I know you probably like to think its just a bunch of yes men standing around, circle jerking each other and making shit up without a care in the world, but your accusation that "facts" are just "created" in academia is so utterly absurd that I almost want to disregard your post and not respond. Evidently nothing I have said has sunk in. Academia works in such a way that one CANNOT just make shit up.

For example, I am working on my masters (one step before phd). In May, god willing, I will be standing before 3 phds who have all read my thesis. They are going to proceed to tear me a new asshole if they see any problem at all, and they will force me to defend every single statement I make in my thesis. If I was dumb enough to make something up, it will be caught, and it will destroy me academically.

Just look at academia as a big message board of pissers. Would anyone on here be allowed to make something up and not get called on it by someone else on here? Very very doubtful.



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Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.
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Darling, I don't trust you.

You haven't passed the test to Professor Lukin,
Leningrad Polytechnical Institute,
the BIGGEST ANTISEMITE ON THE FACULTY,
who had hard on for me since the day one.

I went thru it 3 times before I passed,
you do NOT know statistics better than me, and I still rememebr his name 29 years post factum.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 07:36 AM
Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.
************************************************** *

Darling, I don't trust you.

You haven't passed the test to Professor Lukin,
Leningrad Polytechnical Institute,
the BIGGEST ANTISEMITE ON THE FACULTY,
who had hard on for me since the day one.

I went thru it 3 times before I passed,
you do NOT know statistics better than me, and I still rememebr his name 29 years post factum.

And we should trust Serge on stats? Fuck you, I sent clicks to your programs. Everyone knows better.

[wig]

Labret,

Are you going to avoid my question??

Really, I am curious what country you would choose to move to?

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Academia works in such a way that one CANNOT just make shit up.
************************************************** ********

My cousin is a Professor of the math in Fortaleze, Brazil
Sorbone, France
(do search for Lev Birbrair on the net)
and do you want me to tell you and open your eyes about Academia Politics and how that world REALLY works???

You are THE LAST PERSON I expected to be being NAIVE.

Academia CANNOT just make shit up as much as...
Government, President, CIA, FBI, etc, etc, etc...

I am honestly SORRY if I burst the babble of your illusions...
;-(((

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 10:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 07:36 AM
Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.
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Darling, I don't trust you.

You haven't passed the test to Professor Lukin,
Leningrad Polytechnical Institute,
the BIGGEST ANTISEMITE ON THE FACULTY,
who had hard on for me since the day one.

I went thru it 3 times before I passed,
you do NOT know statistics better than me, and I still rememebr his name 29 years post factum.

And we should trust Serge on stats? Fuck you, I sent clicks to your programs. Everyone knows better.[/b][/quote]
you SHOULD,
Dean is here, and so are lots of other millionairs who sent me clikcs and who would attest that the total returns they got from Sergescash was BETTER than any other sources they sent traffic to.
MY knowledge of statistics let me fine tuned MY program to be ONE nothc better than the rest,
which ultimately made me all those money I made...

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Originally posted by wig@Dec 2 2003, 10:39 AM
Labret,

Are you going to avoid my question??

Really, I am curious what country you would choose to move to?
Ireland first, Israel last
ask me, I am more familiar with his plans
;_)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by wig@Dec 2 2003, 07:39 AM
Labret,

Are you going to avoid my question??

Really, I am curious what country you would choose to move to?

Fuck me, its already been answered.

Dont know. I leave sometime this summer. Planning on starting in Ireland and working my way east and south. Have an acquaintance that is planning a Russia expedition shortly so I plan on hopefully checking that out as well. What Forest says about the Ukraine I find very interesting.

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:37 AM
Fuck you, I sent clicks to your programs.
lots of souls tried fucking me...where are they?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:33 AM
For example, I am working on my masters (one step before phd). In May, god willing, I will be standing before 3 phds who have all read my thesis. They are going to proceed to tear me a new asshole if they see any problem at all, and they will force me to defend every single statement I make in my thesis. If I was dumb enough to make something up, it will be caught, and it will destroy me academically.

LOL!! When my brother did his dissertation for his doctorate, he was sweating bullets before he presented it. He basically disappeared for 3 months to write it. He said he went before whatever it is you go before (this was several years ago, I forget what it's called. If you're really interested, I can dig through old emails and tell you), they asked him just a couple of questions, and that was it! :P He was amazed at how little care they seemed to pay attention to it. This was at the University of Minnesota, not Duke, BTW.

Obviously not everything which is taught in schools (any school) is falsified, fudged, created etc. I never said that. But there ARE professors who will spew incorrect information, usually because they themselves think it's 100% correct. Even my own son challenged a professor in college and the professor was proven wrong - it happens. B)

[wig]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Dec 2 2003, 07:39 AM
Labret,

Are you going to avoid my question??

Really, I am curious what country you would choose to move to?

Fuck me, its already been answered.

Dont know. I leave sometime this summer. Planning on starting in Ireland and working my way east and south. Have an acquaintance that is planning a Russia expedition shortly so I plan on hopefully checking that out as well. What Forest says about the Ukraine I find very interesting.[/b][/quote]
Ah, I remember you saying that now.

But, it sounds more like you are starting a trek in Ireland only to continue on.


oh, thanks serge. ;-))

[[Labret]]

Guess where conservative (logic) policy kicked in?

http://www.detroithardcore.com/prison1.jpg

No, there isnt a problem.

http://www.detroithardcore.com/prison2.jpg

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking/...carceration.pdf (http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking/Incarceration.pdf)

Uh oh, Go get'em Serge! They quote their sources for their stats, I suggest you unleash a Cotac style beatdown.



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Labret, for YOUR sake,
live in your world.

Academia politics is a dirty business...
when tenure is at stake,
they are affraid blowing the "olygarchy",
'cuz the secret ballot for the next opening might be AGAINST YOU.

Welcome to the REAL Academia world, brought to you from the INSIDE.

if you need Irwin Shaw's point a view and not my cousin's,
read his book on the subject,
what you don't know about Academia won't hurt you
;-))

it will ONLY fuck up your life
;-)))

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now looking at your own chart, do you wanna correct your previopus statement and do you see now WHERE you went wrong?

please spank yourself BEFORE others see what I see.
;-)))

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you slow,
I'll do it for you:
Labret says:
"We now incarcerate more people per 100k of population than the Soviet Union did. "

1) I don't see the statistics of the Soviet Union

will you add to it and save humiliation of spanking by Serge like an average HighSchooler GFYer or do you want me to continue?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 07:57 AM
Labret, for YOUR sake,
live in your world.

Academia politics is a dirty business...
when tenure is at stake,
they are affraid blowing the "olygarchy",
'cuz the secret ballot for the next opening might be AGAINST YOU.

Welcome to the REAL Academia world, brought to you from the INSIDE.

if you need Irwin Shaw's point a view and not my cousin's,
read his book on the subject,
what you don't know about Academia won't hurt you
;-))

it will ONLY fuck up your life
;-)))

Pointless. I am not pursuing a career in academia, I have zero interest in helping or educating others en mass. I play the academia game for my own personal enjoyment and fulfillment.

And my comment was edited awhile ago slappy. Remember, I post and then edit. And even then, it was only edited due to uncertainty, not because I felt the statement was false.

So statement stands.

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Opranoids..what should I do?

Show Labret his mistakes and be responcible for him failing his tests to Academia who compiled wrong
or leave him as is, with no clue, and pass the test to Professor with no clue with flying colors?

decissions, decissions....

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:06 AM


So statement stands.
and if I didn't anticipate that, would I post my previous post BEFORE I read yours?
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:51 AM
Guess where conservative (logic) policy kicked in?
When did the first generation of "fatherless" kids hit teen/adulthood?

70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 11:07 AM
Opranoids..what should I do?

Show Labret his mistakes and be responcible for him failing his tests to Academia who compiled wrong
or leave him as is, with no clue, and pass the test to Professor with no clue with flying colors?

decissions, decissions....
Is it possible to show Labret his mistakes?

You may show the errors but can/will Labret accept them?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 08:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 08:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:51 AM
Guess where conservative (logic) policy kicked in?
When did the first generation of "fatherless" kids hit teen/adulthood?

70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)[/b][/quote]

Why dont you just say "niggers" and get it over with?

[[Labret]]

Serge, you are still operating under the assumption that the ROI in the "Soviet Union" per 100k was more than the United States. If you have the stats, post em please.

[Vick]

We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

You can point out a problem until you're blue in the face, but no good comes of that until you work for the solutions

So looking at the problem is basically academia jerking off until work begins on the solution

and is wasted effort if nothing positive comes from it

So where are the solutions?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 12:07 PM
Opranoids..what should I do?

Show Labret his mistakes and be responcible for him failing his tests to Academia who compiled wrong
or leave him as is, with no clue, and pass the test to Professor with no clue with flying colors?

decissions, decissions....
As the old saying goes, you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Labret has no interest in learning anything from those he considers his "inferiors" or those he considers "inferior" to those he looks up to.

I consider myself lucky to have figured out years ago that you can learn something from EVERYONE including the most educated down to the illiterate. :)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 12:10 PM
Why dont you just say "niggers" and get it over with?
OK, so I found a reason besides your "Conservatives have taken over" concept as to why the prison population has increased over the years and that's your response? :unsure: Brilliant.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Dec 2 2003, 08:13 AM
We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

You can point out a problem until you're blue in the face, but no good comes of that until you work for the solutions

So looking at the problem is basically academia jerking off until work begins on the solution

and is wasted effort if nothing positive comes from it

So where are the solutions?

That wasnt my point. I simply pointed out how conservative logic is shit. You all got on the prison problem.

First you have to ask me if I care about the prison crisis in this country. Go ahead, ask me.

So would you say that Reagan era conservative logic was a good solution?



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Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:13 AM
Serge, you are still operating under the assumption that the ROI in the "Soviet Union" per 100k was more than the United States. If you have the stats, post em please.
WHICH STATS????

Stas given by Stalin?

REAL Stats which are guarded more than JFK murder files?

According to Stalin's stats, NOBODY was incarcerated in the USSR...because the Paradise on Earth has no social roots for Crime...

Is there is anything wrong with my stats? they confirm your point, don't they???

do you accept them?

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Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 2 2003, 11:14 AM
Labret has no interest in learning anything from those he considers his "inferiors" or those he considers "inferior" to those he looks up to.

I am affraid just the opposite! He wants to engage entire Oprano board in doing his homework!

I do it on GFY every day
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Dec 2 2003, 12:13 PM
We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

Pick me, pick me!! :bjump:

I would release all those who committed victimless drug crimes (and I include those who sell drugs - I don't consider people who make a conscious decision to buy drugs as "victims") and harsher punishments for those who rape and/or kill. And yes, my harsher punishments would help alleviate the prison population problems. :awinky:

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 08:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:13 AM
Serge, you are still operating under the assumption that the ROI in the "Soviet Union" per 100k was more than the United States. If you have the stats, post em please.
WHICH STATS????

Stas given by Stalin?

REAL Stats which are guarded more than JFK murder files?

According to Stalin's stats, NOBODY was incarcerated in the USSR...because the Paradise on Earth has no social roots for Crime...

Is there is anything wrong with my stats? they confirm your point, don't they???

do you accept them?[/b][/quote]
I was just going to add something along these lines Serge. Anyone who can quote stats from the Soviet Union is WRONG
period
If they have actual stats taken at the time, they are being mislead, if they are attempting to compile stats from that time now they can have no basis in hard facts since the iron curtain was shut tight and records like that werent kept. This is not the WWII Nazi party of Berlin who documented everything, this was a system of Gov't meant to be idealic. They didn't accept that there could be any flaws. Watch the Movie Citizen X, it is a glaring example of how he Socialists of the USSR viewed their world.


spaz

[TheEnforcer]

What was the original subject here??

:P

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Originally posted by spazlabz+Dec 2 2003, 11:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Dec 2 2003, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 08:17 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:13 AM
Serge, you are still operating under the assumption that the ROI in the "Soviet Union" per 100k was more than the United States. If you have the stats, post em please.
WHICH STATS????

Stas given by Stalin?

REAL Stats which are guarded more than JFK murder files?

According to Stalin's stats, NOBODY was incarcerated in the USSR...because the Paradise on Earth has no social roots for Crime...

Is there is anything wrong with my stats? they confirm your point, don't they???

do you accept them?
I was just going to add something along these lines Serge. Anyone who can quote stats from the Soviet Union is WRONG
period
If they have actual stats taken at the time, they are being mislead, if they are attempting to compile stats from that time now they can have no basis in hard facts since the iron curtain was shut tight and records like that werent kept. This is not the WWII Nazi party of Berlin who documented everything, this was a system of Gov't meant to be idealic. They didn't accept that there could be any flaws. Watch the Movie Citizen X, it is a glaring example of how he Socialists of the USSR viewed their world.


spaz[/b][/quote]
yeap, all true!
and if Labret was a "rebel" he trys hard portraying himself on Oprano,
he'd be poking the questions to his professor..
WHICH stats this chart is based on??????????????????

but...one has to have a REAL backbone for that
;-)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 11:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Dec 2 2003, 08:13 AM
We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

You can point out a problem until you're blue in the face, but no good comes of that until you work for the solutions

So looking at the problem is basically academia jerking off until work begins on the solution

and is wasted effort if nothing positive comes from it

So where are the solutions?

That wasnt my point. I simply pointed out how conservative logic is shit. You all got on the prison problem.

Fist you have to ask me if I care about the prison crisis in this country. Go ahead, ask me.

So would you say that Reagan era conservative logic was a good solution?[/b][/quote]
Admittedly I need more information about "Reagan era conservative logic" leading to record imprisonment rates before commenting on it.
Something I never spent time studying


On the other hand is all the effort spent on analyzing and studying this data wasted unless something positive comes from it

Did the professor who spent 40 years of his life working in this field waste his life if his work can't make a change?


I'm still stuck on easy to point the finger, not as easy to work toward a solution

On some level I have an issue with this much energy going into studies without solutions coming from it

Now why do I sound like the liberal :D

[Vick]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 11:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Dec 2 2003, 12:13 PM
We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

Pick me, pick me!! :bjump:

I would release all those who committed victimless drug crimes (and I include those who sell drugs - I don't consider people who make a conscious decision to buy drugs as "victims") and harsher punishments for those who rape and/or kill. And yes, my harsher punishments would help alleviate the prison population problems. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
:okthumb: :okthumb:

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and here is my FAVORITE OFFICIAL USSR STATS:

99.99% of the eligable voters voted for the members of the...Communist Party!

how do you like those, Labret?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 08:26 AM

yeap, all true!
and if Labret was a "rebel" he trys hard portraying himself on Oprano,
he'd be poking the questions to his professor..
WHICH stats this chart is based on??????????????????

but...one has to have a REAL backbone for that
;-)))

Rebel? Me thinks you got some sick sexual fantasies about me riding in on a Harley and grunge fucking you.

I am no rebel.

This all reminds me of what Adorno said, and only further proves my point.

"Today anyone who is incapable of talking in the prescribed fashion, that is of effortlessly reproducing the formulas, conventions and judgements of mass culture as if they were his own, is threatened in his very existence, suspected of being an idiot or an intellectual."


Both of which I am accused of, as well as a "rebel".

bleat motherfuckers bleeeeaaaat

[spazlabz]

a friendly little observation for Labret, or anyone that wants to throw contradictory ideas around without strong facts to back them up..........
"if you stir the shit on Oprano, ya better be ready for the stink."


spaz

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 08:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Dec 2 2003, 12:13 PM
We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

Pick me, pick me!! :bjump:

I would release all those who committed victimless drug crimes (and I include those who sell drugs - I don't consider people who make a conscious decision to buy drugs as "victims") and harsher punishments for those who rape and/or kill. And yes, my harsher punishments would help alleviate the prison population problems. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
agreed.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 08:32 AM
a friendly little observation for Labret, or anyone that wants to throw contradictory ideas around without strong facts to back them up..........
"if you stir the shit on Oprano, ya better be ready for the stink."


spaz

What contradictory ideas was I flinging around like poo?



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[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 09:33 AM
[QUOTE]

God its like beating my head against a fucking wall. Listen, we are all well aware how statistics are manipulated and created, in fact, we are required to take courses in statistics and methods of social research in order to learn to how to deal with such matters. Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.

I will say this one more time. Checks and fucking balances. I know you probably like to think its just a bunch of yes men standing around, circle jerking each other and making shit up without a care in the world, but your accusation that "facts" are just "created" in academia is so utterly absurd that I almost want to disregard your post and not respond. Evidently nothing I have said has sunk in. Academia works in such a way that one CANNOT just make shit up.

One cannot just make shit up....

Try this on for size, fucktard:

Emory University upholds objective truth and ousts an anti-gun history professor for his phony research (http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/11-16-02/cultural_1.asp)

Mr. Bellesiles's book won the 2001 Bancroft Prize, the most prestigious award in the field of American history. Anti-gun activists seized upon his work, since it supports their view that the Second Amendment right "to keep and bear arms" does not refer to individual gun ownership but to a collective establishment of "a well-regulated militia."

Trouble is, he seems to have made up his data. Other historians found that his sources either did not exist or contained completely different evidence.

And now Emory University has taken the unusual step of investigating his research to see whether it violated a university policy against academic dishonesty. Emory commissioned a blue-ribbon panel of historians—Stanley Katz of Princeton, Hanna Gray of the University of Chicago, and Laurel Thatcher Ulrich of Harvard—to examine Mr. Bellesiles's research, and the panel's report found him guilty. Mr. Bellesiles, while still maintaining his innocence, resigned.

Mr. Bellesiles developed his claim that early Americans seldom owned guns by studying wills, probate records, and other inventories of property, then counting the numbers of guns that turned up. Thus he claims that from 1765 to 1790 on the frontiers of northern New England and western Pennsylvania the gun ownership rate was only 14 percent.

To arrive at these figures, though, the panel found that Mr. Bellesiles lumped all kinds of different information together, then manipulated it statistically. Wills seldom mention specific property, other than keepsakes, and some inventories were intended to be just of farm implements. Probate information from the estates of women, who were less likely to own guns, was added into probate information from the estates of men. Conflating all of this together and then taking percentages of the number of times guns were mentioned allowed him to understate the number of firearms.

Mr. Bellesiles also uses certain records from local militias, in which citizens came together into ad hoc military units to repel Indian attacks, fight the British in 1812, or fight each other in the Civil War. He claims militiamen came to the fight basically unarmed. He cites one muster in 1746 in which only 57 percent of the men brought a gun. The review panel found this to be a blatant misrepresentation. The original records list only one company—composed of particularly poor citizens—as being 43 percent disarmed. Of the other five companies, every man brought a rifle in two of them. The total rate of gun ownership in the militia was 80 percent.

But the problems in Mr. Bellesiles's research went beyond mushy statistics-mongering and biased and selective interpretations. Mr. Bellesiles claimed to have used probate records in San Francisco. But those records turned out to have been destroyed in the great earthquake and fire of 1906. When asked to produce his original notes, Mr. Bellesiles said that he lost them when his office was flooded, an event that his colleagues at Emory dispute. When asked about fallacious data posted on his website, he insisted that some hacker had put it there.

Labret, you are a dipshit of the first order. This shit goes on all over the place in Academia today, precisely because leftards are the one overseeing the the other leftards.

Noam Chomsky (since you brought that issue back up) detests capitalism and the West in general, yet he has no problem owning a couple of boats, 2 houses, a sports car, and SUV, and assorted other goodies provided by capitalism. I called him on his hypocrisy (after a little research), and he shut the fuck up.

So, I'm gonna put your "One just cannot make shit up" quote right there along side your new economic theory that higher costs for business is an economic stimulant in the "Idiotic shit that flows off Labret's Keyboard" pile.

Any other contributions you'd like to make to it today, or will you be too busy "learning" that "AIDs was created by the Pat Robertson to kill fags" or some such similar tripe?

What a douchebag.

[[Labret]]

So, I'm gonna put your "One just cannot make shit up" quote right there along side your new economic theory that higher costs for business is an economic stimulant in the "Idiotic shit that flows off Labret's Keyboard" pile.

Any other contributions you'd like to make to it today, or will you be too busy "learning" that "AIDs was created by the Pat Robertson to kill fags" or some such similar tripe?

What a douchebag.

Thank you for proving my point. He got caught and ousted.

I feel bad for you.

Like I said, I could make shit up all day. It will get called out.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 08:37 AM

[Buff]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:30 AM
and here is my FAVORITE OFFICIAL USSR STATS:

99.99% of the eligable voters voted for the members of the...Communist Party!

how do you like those, Labret?
The communists are doing something wrong then, because about 102% of the population of Iraq voted for Hussein if I remember correctly. It ain't like the old days in Mother Russia, eh Serge?



Last edited by Buff at Dec 2 2003, 10:35 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:32 AM


Both of which I am accused of, as well as a "rebel".

bleat motherfuckers bleeeeaaaat
ahhh...spoken like a true intellectual!

is that's all you can squeeze out of you after your nose was pushed in the shit you call STATS?
;-0)

I am sorry...I didn't wanna hurt your feelings
;-))))

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 08:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 08:32 AM
a friendly little observation for Labret, or anyone that wants to throw contradictory ideas around without strong facts to back them up..........
"if you stir the shit on Oprano, ya better be ready for the stink."


spaz

What contradictory ideas was I flinging around like poo?[/b][/quote]
when you bleated out about what your professor told you about the US incarcerating a higher % of people than the USSR...............that is poo on so many levels its scary. Forget the fact that stats would be at the very best unreliable from that time period, but common sence and an understanding of the climate of the USSR at the time begs for you to retact that statement.


spaz

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:16 AM
First you have to ask me if I care about the prison crisis in this country. Go ahead, ask me.

Hmmmm .... wouldn't say you have a direct person to person personal type interest ...


.... but you may have some interest as it is being covered in one of your fields of studies

:awinky:

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:35 AM
,Dec 2 2003, 09:33 AM][QUOTE]

God its like beating my head against a fucking wall. Listen, we are all well aware how statistics are manipulated and created, in fact, we are required to take courses in statistics and methods of social research in order to learn to how to deal with such matters. Trust me, I am sure my knowledge of means of gathering and manipulating data sets is far above average and as a result I know which statistics I can accept and which ones I should be suspect.

I will say this one more time. Checks and fucking balances. I know you probably like to think its just a bunch of yes men standing around, circle jerking each other and making shit up without a care in the world, but your accusation that "facts" are just "created" in academia is so utterly absurd that I almost want to disregard your post and not respond. Evidently nothing I have said has sunk in. Academia works in such a way that one CANNOT just make shit up.

One cannot just make shit up....

Try this on for size, fucktard:

Emory University upholds objective truth and ousts an anti-gun history professor for his phony research (http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/11-16-02/cultural_1.asp)

Mr. Bellesiles's book won the 2001 Bancroft Prize, the most prestigious award in the field of American history. Anti-gun activists seized upon his work, since it supports their view that the Second Amendment right "to keep and bear arms" does not refer to individual gun ownership but to a collective establishment of "a well-regulated militia."

Trouble is, he seems to have made up his data. Other historians found that his sources either did not exist or contained completely different evidence.

And now Emory University has taken the unusual step of investigating his research to see whether it violated a university policy against academic dishonesty. Emory commissioned a blue-ribbon panel of historians—Stanley Katz of Princeton, Hanna Gray of the University of Chicago, and Laurel Thatcher Ulrich of Harvard—to examine Mr. Bellesiles's research, and the panel's report found him guilty. Mr. Bellesiles, while still maintaining his innocence, resigned.

Mr. Bellesiles developed his claim that early Americans seldom owned guns by studying wills, probate records, and other inventories of property, then counting the numbers of guns that turned up. Thus he claims that from 1765 to 1790 on the frontiers of northern New England and western Pennsylvania the gun ownership rate was only 14 percent.

To arrive at these figures, though, the panel found that Mr. Bellesiles lumped all kinds of different information together, then manipulated it statistically. Wills seldom mention specific property, other than keepsakes, and some inventories were intended to be just of farm implements. Probate information from the estates of women, who were less likely to own guns, was added into probate information from the estates of men. Conflating all of this together and then taking percentages of the number of times guns were mentioned allowed him to understate the number of firearms.

Mr. Bellesiles also uses certain records from local militias, in which citizens came together into ad hoc military units to repel Indian attacks, fight the British in 1812, or fight each other in the Civil War. He claims militiamen came to the fight basically unarmed. He cites one muster in 1746 in which only 57 percent of the men brought a gun. The review panel found this to be a blatant misrepresentation. The original records list only one company—composed of particularly poor citizens—as being 43 percent disarmed. Of the other five companies, every man brought a rifle in two of them. The total rate of gun ownership in the militia was 80 percent.

But the problems in Mr. Bellesiles's research went beyond mushy statistics-mongering and biased and selective interpretations. Mr. Bellesiles claimed to have used probate records in San Francisco. But those records turned out to have been destroyed in the great earthquake and fire of 1906. When asked to produce his original notes, Mr. Bellesiles said that he lost them when his office was flooded, an event that his colleagues at Emory dispute. When asked about fallacious data posted on his website, he insisted that some hacker had put it there.

Labret, you are a dipshit of the first order. This shit goes on all over the place in Academia today, precisely because leftards are the one overseeing the the other leftards.

Noam Chomsky (since you brought that issue back up) detests capitalism and the West in general, yet he has no problem owning a couple of boats, 2 houses, a sports car, and SUV, and assorted other goodies provided by capitalism. I called him on his hypocrisy (after a little research), and he shut the fuck up.

So, I'm gonna put your "One just cannot make shit up" quote right there along side your new economic theory that higher costs for business is an economic stimulant in the "Idiotic shit that flows off Labret's Keyboard" pile.

Any other contributions you'd like to make to it today, or will you be too busy "learning" that "AIDs was created by the Pat Robertson to kill fags" or some such similar tripe?

What a douchebag.

Thank you for proving my point. He got caught and ousted.

I feel bad for you.

Like I said, I can make shit up all day. It will get called out.
Dipshit, his book was praised, won awards, and went unchecked by YOUR leftist Academics for a few years before some Libertarians busted his ass.

There was no check or balance by any Academics until some private think tanks did their own investigation.

Shut your cocksocket, bitch.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Dec 2 2003, 08:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Dec 2 2003, 08:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 08:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 08:32 AM
a friendly little observation for Labret, or anyone that wants to throw contradictory ideas around without strong facts to back them up..........
"if you stir the shit on Oprano, ya better be ready for the stink."


spaz

What contradictory ideas was I flinging around like poo?
when you bleated out about what your professor told you about the US incarcerating a higher % of people than the USSR...............that is poo on so many levels its scary. Forget the fact that stats would be at the very best unreliable from that time period, but common sence and an understanding of the climate of the USSR at the time begs for you to retact that statement.


spaz[/b][/quote]

So it wasnt contradictory statements? It was just statement you feel are false but cannot prove are false?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Dec 2 2003, 11:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Dec 2 2003, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 08:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 08:32 AM
a friendly little observation for Labret, or anyone that wants to throw contradictory ideas around without strong facts to back them up..........
"if you stir the shit on Oprano, ya better be ready for the stink."


spaz

What contradictory ideas was I flinging around like poo?
when you bleated out about what your professor told you about the US incarcerating a higher % of people than the USSR...............that is poo on so many levels its scary. Forget the fact that stats would be at the very best unreliable from that time period, but common sence and an understanding of the climate of the USSR at the time begs for you to retact that statement.


spaz[/b][/quote]
Spaz, word bleeating is one of his favorite words, because .....
he is just one, part of the flock, the product of today's academia,
where questiniong the stats is not rquired...
"Because Academia can't make mistakes"!

wow!

what an intellectually DEEP argument
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:40 AM

Dipshit, his book was praised, won awards, and went unchecked by YOUR leftist Academics for a few years before some Libertarians busted his ass.

There was no check or balance by any Academics until some private think tanks did their own investigation.

Shut your cocksocket, bitch.


Other historians found that his sources either did not exist or contained completely different evidence.


Sorry to burst your bubble, those are academics.

How can a university be held accountable for the research of someone outside the University? Sounds more like his publisher should have ran it by others before they published it.

This was not a thesis subject to the checks and balances of academia.

Make sense? Regardless, other academics nailed him. Good. And now he is ruined, see how that works there Buffy?



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 08:45 AM

[spazlabz]

you are correct, I should have been clearer on what exactly I meant by contradictory.
It is contradictory to common sence.
an I back it up with facts and stats? Nope, and neither can you OR your beloved professor...................THATS the point I was making


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:40 AM


So it wasnt contradictory statements? It was just statement you feel are false but cannot prove are false?
I think it's you lacking the proof...unless you SERIOUSLY beleive that the stats provided by Stalin are the "Mother of all stats"
;-))))

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, as you see, that you are just a product of Academia today and not a retard
;-))))

[Vick]

Just a look at lies, damn lies and stats

Labret may not have liked the Reagan era polices so he can show the rise in incarceration and see if it can be attributed to those policies

I on the other hand came look at overall violent crime stats and see they are down ..... and can attributed it to those policies


edit for spelling



Last edited by Vick at Dec 2 2003, 11:46 AM

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 10:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:40 AM

Dipshit, his book was praised, won awards, and went unchecked by YOUR leftist Academics for a few years before some Libertarians busted his ass.

There was no check or balance by any Academics until some private think tanks did their own investigation.

Shut your cocksocket, bitch.


Other historians found that his sources either did not exist or contained completely different evidence.


Sorry to burst your bubble, those are academics.

How can a university be held accountable for the research of someone outside the University? Sounds more like his publisher should have ran it by others before they published it.

This was not a thesis subject to the checks and balances of academia.

Make sense?[/b][/quote]
So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

[Winetalk.com]

guys, c'mon, let's go easy on Labret...
he spent too much time on GFY dealing with High Scholers,
it affected his brain a bit...
should we give him a week's time to recouperate and catch up?
;-)))

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 08:47 AM
guys, c'mon, let's go easy on Labret...
he spent too much time on GFY dealing with High Scholers,
it affected his brain a bit...
should we give him a week's time to recouperate and catch up?
;-)))
not no




but





FUCK NO!


heh heh
spaz

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a degree seeking dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 08:54 AM

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 08:47 AM
guys, c'mon, let's go easy on Labret...
he spent too much time on GFY dealing with High Scholers,
it affected his brain a bit...
should we give him a week's time to recouperate and catch up?
;-)))

No. Please, I love this shit. Keep going.

I will have to go to class soon though.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 08:51 AM

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 08:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 08:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?[/b][/quote]
I so truely want to respect you Labret, honest to god I do. You would probably be surprised the issues you and I would somewhat agree on. But the way you stoop to name calling to.............to whut? make your point. It really hurts your credibility as an intelligent individual with something to add.
and if you dont care to add anything or educate, then what exactly is the point of your being here or on any webmaster board bro?


spaz

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Dec 2 2003, 08:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Dec 2 2003, 08:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 08:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?
I so truely want to respect you Labret, honest to god I do. You would probably be surprised the issues you and I would somewhat agree on. But the way you stoop to name calling to.............to whut? make your point. It really hurts your credibility as an intelligent individual with something to add.
and if you dont care to add anything or educate, then what exactly is the point of your being here or on any webmaster board bro?


spaz[/b][/quote]

Sorta like "Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch".

I am not here for your respect, nor do I want it.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 08:47 AM
guys, c'mon, let's go easy on Labret...
he spent too much time on GFY dealing with High Scholers,
it affected his brain a bit...
should we give him a week's time to recouperate and catch up?
;-)))

No. Please, I love this shit. Keep going.

I will have to go to class soon though.[/b][/quote]
I know you like it
;-))))

oh...and welcome to Oprano once again
;-)))

you'll miss us dearly in Ireland
;-)))

[[Labret]]

if you dont care to add anything or educate, then what exactly is the point of your being here or on any webmaster board bro?


This has been covered so many damn times.

In case you didnt notice, this is how it works.

Topic starts.

I make statement.

Unwashed uneducated masses come running out of the woodwork to take jabs.

Its fine, its how I like it.

Serge likes impressions, I like schooling idiots and humiliating them in front of their peers. Its a nice trade.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:55 AM


Sorta like "Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch".

I am not here for your respect, nor do I want it.
he is stealing my act on GFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure academia PLAGIAT! too bad yuo have nothing to promote
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 08:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 08:47 AM
guys, c'mon, let's go easy on Labret...
he spent too much time on GFY dealing with High Scholers,
it affected his brain a bit...
should we give him a week's time to recouperate and catch up?
;-)))

No. Please, I love this shit. Keep going.

I will have to go to class soon though.
I know you like it
;-))))

oh...and welcome to Oprano once again
;-)))

you'll miss us dearly in Ireland
;-)))[/b][/quote]

I forgot they only have the internet in the USA.

[Vick]

Has anyone here read the Stephen King series "The Dark Tower"?

Labret's intellect reminds me a little of Blaine the Mono


That's not an insult and you'll know that if you've read the books - but it is a key

[[Labret]]

Damn Buffy, all that google work for nothing.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:58 AM
I like schooling idiots and humiliating them in front of their peers. Its a nice trade.
so............ what about those USSR vintage statistics?

you humiliated everybody all right
;-))))

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 08:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 08:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Dec 2 2003, 12:13 PM
We still haven't covered what can be done to improve the situation with regards to incarceration rates?

Pick me, pick me!! :bjump:

I would release all those who committed victimless drug crimes (and I include those who sell drugs - I don't consider people who make a conscious decision to buy drugs as "victims") and harsher punishments for those who rape and/or kill. And yes, my harsher punishments would help alleviate the prison population problems. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Same here.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:59 AM


I forgot they only have the internet in the USA.
and as a traveller with Experience 50 times bigger than yours-
if you gonna travel to piss on Oprano-
don't leave your room
;-)))

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 08:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 08:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?
I so truely want to respect you Labret, honest to god I do. You would probably be surprised the issues you and I would somewhat agree on. But the way you stoop to name calling to.............to whut? make your point. It really hurts your credibility as an intelligent individual with something to add.
and if you dont care to add anything or educate, then what exactly is the point of your being here or on any webmaster board bro?


spaz

Sorta like "Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch".

I am not here for your respect, nor do I want it.[/b][/quote]
your funny scooter. You dont want respect. Your screaming and crying for it at every possible chance
I an almost hear your bruised ID crying out for it.
"please see me as intelligent."
"please respect my educaton."
"please oh please god! let them take me seriously."
Unfortunately, until some teacher TELLS you that your best heard whispering, and that using vulgarities in a debate makes you look weak, well I guess you wont learn.
carry on scooter, ya make a lot of people giggle

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

spaz, intellectuals are ABOVE all that
;-)))
they are not humans, you know, they are Volcans
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 09:02 AM

your funny scooter. You dont want respect. Your screaming and crying for it at every possible chance
I an almost hear your bruised ID crying out for it.
"please see me as intelligent."
"please respect my educaton."
"please oh please god! let them take me seriously."
Unfortunately, until some teacher TELLS you that your best heard whispering, and that using vulgarities in a debate makes you look weak, well I guess you wont learn.
carry on scooter, ya make a lot of people giggle

spaz

Dont steal my words. Scooter is mine.

Spaz, I have been doing this shit on boards non stop since BBS days, I am glad you feel special and think I want your approval.

The very last people I want or need recognition from is a board load of psuedo-pornographers. What could it possibly achieve? I dont do business here. I dont go to IAs or any regional cons. I am personal friends with nobody on here. Why in gods name do you think I want and need your love and approval? The only people I care about are the ones that hold my paper.

I wonder how you got a nick with Spaz in it.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 09:10 AM

[[Labret]]

I think it is you who desperately wants to be seen as intelligent. As well as Buff, Vick, blah blah blah.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 12:07 PM


Dont steal my words. Scooter is mine.

Spaz, I have been doing this shit on boards non stop since BBS days, I am glad you feel special and think I want your approval.

The very last people I want or need recognition from is a board load of psuedo-pornographers. What could it possibly achieve? I dont do business here. I dont go to IAs or any regional cons. I am personal friends with nobody on here. Why in gods name do you think I want and need your love and approval? The only people I care about are the ones that hold my paper.

I wonder how you got a nick with Spaz in it.
Labret, I can only say ONE thing...if you stick around for another 10 years,
you MIGHT become "just like Serge"
;-))))))

I do see myself in you, which probably explains so much affection
;-))))

you came to the right place, we'll shape you well and you be ready for the "newest generation" of GFYers who go to the kindergarden now
;-))))

[spazlabz]

wonder no more
'spaz' is a shortened version of newbiespaz from way back in my..........lets called the exploitive days, when i was surrounded by the Elite I would always ask questions, dozens of them at a time. Hungry to learn what they knew. They answered only because
1)I did not repeat the question, but would rather seek clarification
2)Showed them that I applied their answers to tasks at hand
I was/am a spaz because when i see the chance to learn from someone I jump on it and beat them to death with questions.
I wear the nick spaz with pride bro.
Do I think I am special? Mom said I was. Do I think I am special to you? Why yes I do because I disappointed you when I stated (correctly I might add) that I 'owned' you heh heh. If you care not then how could I possibly have illicited an emotion like disappointment? Hum, curious

and scooter.....................I ENJOYED that word and shall use it at my liesure thank you very much slappy


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 12:12 PM
I think it is you who desperately wants to be seen as intelligent. As well as Buff, Vick, blah blah blah.
SEGRGE (added by serge)
yeap, those fucking ignoramuses, intellectual wanna bees...
how dare they not to beleive the OFFICIAL USSR VINTAGE STATISTICS????????
;-0))))

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 10:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a degree seeking dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?[/b][/quote]
So now you're saying academics just might be frauds after all, just not in the classroom or when on a panel to review a dipshit like you?

I bet you're one of the 15 people who believed Bill Clinton when he said he tried pot a few times but didn't inhale.

You lost. But I hope you know why you lost. You didn't lose because the leftism is just wrong (it is, but that's not why you lost).

You lost because you're an ignorant little bitch who thinks a masters in sociology means something.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 09:12 AM
I think it is you who desperately wants to be seen as intelligent. As well as Buff, Vick, blah blah blah.
ahhhh, your wrong there. I have said numerous times. I am one of your fat lazy high school grad Americans. I desire to be seen as I am no pretense, no BS. What you see here is what you get. I am goofy as hell most times, but quite capable of carrying on a descent conversation if the situation calls for it
complete with no personal attacks or name calling


spaz

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:00 AM
Damn Buffy, all that google work for nothing.
I didn't google anything -- I wrote an essay about the anti-gun nuts, specifically the frauds.

When you come back this evening, I hope you tell us something about animal rights or better yet, environmentalism. Maybe you can explain to us how the Imperial US is trying to destroy the environment by not signing the UN Kyoto Pact or something.

You fucking leftists -- this is like Alexandr Karelin fighting the Star Wars Kid.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff+Dec 2 2003, 09:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Dec 2 2003, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a degree seeking dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?


I bet you're one of the 15 people who believed Bill Clinton when he said he tried pot a few times but didn't inhale.

You lost. But I hope you know why you lost. You didn't lose because the leftism is just wrong (it is, but that's not why you lost).

You lost because you're an ignorant little bitch who thinks a masters in sociology means something.[/b][/quote]

I swear, of all my favorite irrational board whores, you make the top 5 of all time. I love you. You try so hard god bless your fat heart. Your posts never fail to make me smile, which is more than I can say for your compatriots.

Case in point.


So now you're saying academics just might be frauds after all, just not in the classroom or when on a panel to review a dipshit like you?


Yeah, thats what I said. All academics are frauds. There you got me. hehe

All I said was is the claims made by Peaches that academia is rampant with made up stats and kook science is bullshit in that we have checks and balances. What some dick does outside the classroom is all him.

For example, you on this board with your made up econ theory. You can spout it off all day on here, I would looooove to see you get before some econ professors. checks and balances. Because you make shit up outside of academia, should all econ academics be punished?

Of course not, but we already know this. You are just prone to flights of fancy to illustrate your brainfarts.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 11:12 AM
I think it is you who desperately wants to be seen as intelligent. As well as Buff, Vick, blah blah blah.
I don't want for shit, Labret. I command respect because

1. I am smarter and more educated than the vast majority of people you look up to, and

2. I can beat the fuck out of people.

How you like them apples?

[Diamond Jim]

Interesting that some people like to pretend there is Conservative "logic" (conveniently forgetting Liberal "logic")....when really, there is only logic itself.....

There are conservative and liberal AGENDAS, and both of them are so contradictory that any attempt to make them "logical" is doomed to failure.

The deluded wish that either side is more intelligent, educated, logical, emotional, whatever; is hysterical.

[spazlabz]

:wnw: I wanna be Buff's friend!! :yowsa:


spaz



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[wig]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 2 2003, 12:25 PM
Interesting that some people like to pretend there is Conservative "logic" (conveniently forgetting Liberal "logic")....when really, there is only logic itself.....

There are conservative and liberal AGENDAS, and both of them are so contradictory that any attempt to make them "logical" is doomed to failure.

The deluded wish that either side is more intelligent, educated, logical, emotional, whatever; is hysterical.
:okthumb: :okthumb: :okthumb:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 12:02 PM
using vulgarities in a debate makes you look weak, well I guess you wont learn.
I totally fucking disagree....

Words are words. They are used for particular emphasis, and in the appropriate forum (HERE), they are not only appreciated for their color, but for their ability to convey strong meaning....

"You are an imbecile" is not nearly as powerful as "you are a FUCKING imbecile...."

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 12:12 PM
I think it is you who desperately wants to be seen as intelligent. ........ Vick, blah blah blah.
My posting record speaks for it's self

again I lead you to first principles. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius

- all facets of learning

[RawAlex]

Nothing like a discussion where everyone can get on the same well worn soapboxes as always, and bleat the same sheep-ish comments.

However, getting back to DJ's original question:

Each person grows up in a collection of circumstances, many of them beyond their control. They grow up in a conservative area, a liberal area, a communist area, a one party state, a democracy, or any other flavor in between all of those. Some people live in the city all their lives, others have never visited a place with more than a few thousand people living in it.

When you grow up, you learn to either like or dislike the situation you are in. You are exposed to certain "solution sets" by government and your local "environment" and you are able to see them as good or bad in your eyes based on the results.

In the end, I suspect that political leanings have way more to do with what worked and what didn't during key times of your life. I suspect that a large number of USA conservatives on this board, example, were in their formative years during the Reagan era, which was a high water mark for a very pure brand of conservatism. The negatives of that presidency didn't come out until long after the president was gone. So basically the good impressions of "America in Charge" were instilled.

I was born and raised during a very "liberal" time in Canadian History, the first Prime Minister I can really remember is the late Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who ran Canada on and off over for maybe 15 years. Canada seemed better when he was there, and the conservative governments that got into power in between seemed never to be quite in tune with what Canada really wanted. When the Conservatives under Brian Mulroney (a good friend of Bush sr) caem to power with a huge majority, they did what they felt was right, and were rewarded with the biggest drop off in Canadian history the next time around, going from ruling party to essentially no longer existing, now down to being nothing more than a third ranking party. The liberal party of Canada is pretty much the only national party at this point.

Am I a "victim" of upbringing? Yes, almost without a doubt. I have lived in a place where conservative policies have "failed", and where the Liberal party and it's policies have ruled the roost for a large part of my lifetime. So far, I have yet to see the process or ideas of conservativism put into action in a way that was beneficial for the people overall in the long run. There was always short term benefits, but the costs of those benefits came back to haunt us all later.

I don't intend to "discuss" this back and forth on the board, I think we all know that there are some people here who enjoy nothing more than destroying a discussion with a stupid name calling back and forth that isn't productive for anyone. I just wanted to add my experiences and you can all take them for what it's worth (and some will think they aren't worth much!).

Alex

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 01:23 PM
All I said was is the claims made by Peaches that academia is rampant with made up stats and kook science is bullshit in that we have checks and balances.
Have you resorted to lying about what I said in order to prove your points? :unsure: Here's a refresher course:

If you think for one minute that "facts" aren't created in academia, you're kidding yourself. My brother just left his post doctorate "position" (I put that in quotes because it only paid $35K a year and HE was responsible for the almost 100 hours he put into filling out the paperwork for his grant request which paid that $35K) at Duke in genetics because of what he saw once he reached the "lofty levels". And he was dealing with MEDICAL studies which were fudged. If you think the same can't be done by a teacher dealing with prison populations, you truly aren't as smart as you think you are. Again, I would never trust ONE PERSON as a source for any information.

Obviously not everything which is taught in schools (any school) is falsified, fudged, created etc. I never said that. But there ARE professors who will spew incorrect information, usually because they themselves think it's 100% correct. Even my own son challenged a professor in college and the professor was proven wrong - it happens.

Quick - play like Fletch when I point out his errors and say you don't really bother reading my posts. :P But if you're going to refer to them, at least get the facts straight, OK? :)

[Fletch XXX]

My name comes up when I am NOT even invlved.

I have BRANDED myself well.

:moon:

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Dec 2 2003, 09:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Dec 2 2003, 09:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 12:02 PM
using vulgarities in a debate makes you look weak, well I guess you wont learn.
I totally fucking disagree....

Words are words. They are used for particular emphasis, and in the appropriate forum (HERE), they are not only appreciated for their color, but for their ability to convey strong meaning....

"You are an imbecile" is not nearly as powerful as "you are a FUCKING imbecile...."[/b][/quote]
powerful yes, convey intelligence? Not very likely. While i agree words like 'Fuck' are versatile and can eloquently convey a whole host of subtleties, they are most certainly out of place during an intelligent debate of facts. As appropriate as bopping someone on the nose because you cant think of a workable argument to their statement


spaz



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Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 12:38 PM
My name comes up when I am NOT even invlved.

I have BRANDED myself well.

:moon:
John, send him a bill!

(give 10% discount for cherrylula's sake)
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:38 PM
My name comes up when I am NOT even invlved.

I have BRANDED myself well.

:moon:
They say bad attention is better than no attention at all. :P

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 09:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:38 PM
My name comes up when I am NOT even invlved.

I have BRANDED myself well.

:moon:
They say bad attention is better than no attention at all. :P[/b][/quote]
remember proverbs peaches:

'curses cannot hurt you unless you deserve them. they are like birds that fly by and never settle.'



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[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 12:13 PM
Labret, I can only say ONE thing...if you stick around for another 10 years,
you MIGHT become "just like Serge"
;-))))))

I do see myself in you, which probably explains so much affection
;-))))

you came to the right place, we'll shape you well and you be ready for the "newest generation" of GFYers who go to the kindergarden now
;-))))
?????

While I didn't know you at 32 (which I believe is Labret's age) and you would know better.......

....... I don't see the similarities of you both at 32

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 09:13 AM

I do see myself in you
How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 2 2003, 06:16 AM
While I know there is fraud in the system, I've personally worked with a lot of people who've ran into hard times, I'm met a LOT who simply need a little help getting back on their feet and are trying their damnedest to do it...

I've also had to deal with a lot of people with various mental disorders (not including myself ;-)) and these are the people who are forgotten when we talk about welfare and medical handouts...for every "able bodied" person mooching off the system, I can find equal numbers or even more who suffer from various mental problems...

While I don't believe in cradle to grave handouts, I see no societal problem with helping our less fortunate..many many of whom just need a little help once in awhile, especially if they are faced with mental problems which have a lot to do with things like the ability to hold a job or even a conversation.

Having spent a lot of time helping out in homeless shelters, I've come across people who've lost their homes and have problems getting back on their feet (hard to get a job without a phone and an address).

It's easy to say "well, they made a choice, now live with it" but should someone lose thier whole life over a mistake? Once beyond that point, they might just need a simple handup and are more than happy to work for it.

Isn't it ironic than Ronald Reagen cut spending on mental health programs and now suffers from alzheimers?

as for my nurturing, my mother isn't very politcal at all but is pretty mucha liberal, help your fello man type of person and my father went into Vietnam a red, white and blue conservative loe it or leave it type guy and came out a very changed man and very liberal but the last decade or so hasn't really voted along any party line...
I fail to see what gives you the right to project your moral compass of "helping those less fortunate" on to other people (taxpayers). Therein lies the double standard of the liberal (just like the idiotic double standard of the conservative).

Logically, how do you disregard the moral standards of the conservative right while embracing those of the liberal left? You don't want the conservative right reaching into your life and telling you how you can access porn, who you can sleep with, what a woman can do with her body, etc....YET...you have no problem reaching into those conservative pockets to gather funds to "help the less fortunate"...even though they may disagree with YOU...

The theory that YOU (liberal YOU) know what's right for society and that your OPINION that someone shouldn't lose everything over a "mistake" or "choice" they have made, and that taxpayers who may not share this same view should shut up and pay anyway, is in complete contradiction to the ire expressed at the conservative right.

When you don't see anything wrong with one group of society FORCING their ideals on you ("I see no societal problem with helping our less fortunate" - Sykk), yet you moan and complain incessantly at the unfairness of the OTHER side trying to force THEIR morality on you, you walk the slippery slopes of a contradiction you can't escape from.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 12:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 09:13 AM

I do see myself in you
How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:[/b][/quote]
Duh ....

ah ha ha ha ha ha


I shamefully hang my head for missing that joke

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 09:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 09:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 09:13 AM

I do see myself in you
How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:[/b][/quote]

Im telling you man, nearly everything he says to me has homosexual overtones.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:43 PM
remember proverbs peaches:

'curses cannot hurt you unless you deserve them. they are like birds that fly by and never settle.'
Thanks for sharing Bible verses with me - that's very....interesting. :)

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Originally posted by Vick+Dec 2 2003, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Dec 2 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 12:13 PM
Labret, I can only say ONE thing...if you stick around for another 10 years,
you MIGHT become "just like Serge"
;-))))))

I do see myself in you, which probably explains so much affection
;-))))

you came to the right place, we'll shape you well and you be ready for the "newest generation" of GFYers who go to the kindergarden now
;-))))
?????

While I didn't know you at 32 (which I believe is Labret's age) and you would know better.......

....... I don't see the similarities of you both at 32[/b][/quote]
there is...I was an arrogant prick with attitude than...less the audience
;-))

the only respectable audience I could get at that age was Lubavitchie synagoge during my circun=msission procedure
;-))))

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:43 PM
remember proverbs peaches:

'curses cannot hurt you unless you deserve them. they are like birds that fly by and never settle.'
Thanks for sharing Bible verses with me - that's very....interesting. :)[/b][/quote]
I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.

Going to catholic school for 10 years and having to read the bible extensively has given me a deep understanding of it, regardless.

theres a lot of good stuff in there.

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 12:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 09:13 AM

I do see myself in you
How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:[/b][/quote]
I shower only once a month*...he comes MUCH more often
;_)))

*-water is TREMENDOUSLY expensive in Florida
;-)))

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 09:54 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 09:13 AM

I do see myself in you
How often do you see this?

Is it a recurring dream? Or a daily fantasy while showering?

:awinky:

Im telling you man, nearly everything he says to me has homosexual overtones.[/b][/quote]
oh, c'mon, be a real man and step out of the closet...I did
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?[/b][/quote]
take a stab serge, i bet you could guess.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 12:55 PM


Im telling you man, nearly everything he says to me has homosexual overtones.
hmmm...why don't we discuss the USSR vintage statistics about the homosexuality in the USSR?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 01:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?
take a stab serge, i bet you could guess.[/b][/quote]
I can't...I went to Soviet School, we haven't studied Bible for 10 years
;-))

Mine is Ecclethiastes.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Dec 2 2003, 12:39 PM
powerful yes, convey intelligence? Not very likely. While i agree words like 'Fuck' are versatile and can eloquently convey a whole host of subtleties, they are most certainly out of place during an intelligent debate of facts. As appropriate as bopping someone on the nose because you cant think of a workable argument to their statement


spaz
Ultimately, intelligence is conveyed by the idea set forth, not the manner in which it is delivered. I don't see a Pulitzer in Serge's future, yet he knows how to cut to the quick of most matters.

Telling someone the "words" they used in a debate makes their argument weaker, as opposed to attacking the ideas themselves, puts you in a deep hole. Stick to the substance of the issue and not the delivery mechanism, and your ability to stay in the debate will grow.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?[/b][/quote]

I like the part where the Jews destroy an entire community and rape the female children.


Numbers 31:1-18: "...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."


Now thats my kinda God!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 02:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Peaches@Dec 2 2003, 09:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:43 PM
remember proverbs peaches:

'curses cannot hurt you unless you deserve them. they are like birds that fly by and never settle.'
Thanks for sharing Bible verses with me - that's very....interesting. :)
I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.

Going to catholic school for 10 years and having to read the bible extensively has given me a deep understanding of it, regardless.

theres a lot of good stuff in there.[/b][/quote]
Many congrats to you! I've read it but as with other books (and movies) can't make it through more than once.

Now if I could convince you to correct the spelling in your sig, my life will be complete. B)

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Dec 2 2003, 09:33 AM

Am I a "victim" of upbringing? Yes, almost without a doubt. I have lived in a place where conservative policies have "failed", and where the Liberal party and it's policies have ruled the roost for a large part of my lifetime. So far, I have yet to see the process or ideas of conservativism put into action in a way that was beneficial for the people overall in the long run. There was always short term benefits, but the costs of those benefits came back to haunt us all later.

What annoys me most about you Alex, is your constant confusing of your own perceptions with absolute facts.

"I believe what i believe because i happen to be right... not because i happen to be biased towards the left"

You are VERY Liberal... you percieve the world, politics and economic and social issues as a Liberal. Then you can't admit that your views are opinion, not fact and that your "opinion" is only shared by 50% or so of the population... which leaves you with the need to constantly attack the other 50% while claiming to be objective but coincidentally right all the time.

Its fine you know to say "I typically side with Liberal issues". You dont need to make up alleged facts to justify it. You dont need to twist reality to rationalize it. Your not alone you know. There is another 50% of 260,000,000 people in the US who share your views. It's ok to be you.



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[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 2 2003, 12:25 PM
Interesting that some people like to pretend there is Conservative "logic" (conveniently forgetting Liberal "logic")....when really, there is only logic itself.....

There are conservative and liberal AGENDAS, and both of them are so contradictory that any attempt to make them "logical" is doomed to failure.

The deluded wish that either side is more intelligent, educated, logical, emotional, whatever; is hysterical.
Most intelligent post in this thread.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?

I like the part where the Jews destroy an entire community and rape the female children.


Numbers 31:1-18: "...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."


Now thats my kinda God![/b][/quote]
keep alive for yourselves."
******************************
doesn't mean "rape".
They took them as slaves...
kinda like Stalin used prisoners to build USSR after the revolution, without reporting them into statistics your professor quotes...
;-)))

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 10:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by -Peaches@Dec 2 2003, 09:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:43 PM
remember proverbs peaches:

'curses cannot hurt you unless you deserve them. they are like birds that fly by and never settle.'
Thanks for sharing Bible verses with me - that's very....interesting. :)
I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.

Going to catholic school for 10 years and having to read the bible extensively has given me a deep understanding of it, regardless.

theres a lot of good stuff in there.
Many congrats to you! I've read it but as with other books (and movies) can't make it through more than once.

Now if I could convince you to correct the spelling in your sig, my life will be complete. B)[/b][/quote]
How can you even understand a book or a movie for that matter just one time?

I am one of those who underline passages on nearly every page i read in every book.

all my books are filled with place holders and underlined parts with notes on the side.

i dont read, i study a book when i pick it up.

how else can you learn from it?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?

I like the part where the Jews destroy an entire community and rape the female children.


Numbers 31:1-18: "...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."


Now thats my kinda God!
keep alive for yourselves."
******************************
doesn't mean "rape".
They took them as slaves...
kinda like Stalin used prisoners to build USSR after the revolution, without reporting them into statistics your professor quotes...
;-)))[/b][/quote]

Uhm, if they wanted slaves they could have kept alive the male children. Females dont make good "slaves". That is unless they are sex slaves. *wink wink nudge nudge*

I got more quotes of silly Jew exploits. Loving people they were.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 10:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:03 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:00 PM

I bet ive read the bible more than most christians.

in fact, I ALWAYS have a copy of it on my desk.


me too!
which is your favorite part?
take a stab serge, i bet you could guess.
I can't...I went to Soviet School, we haven't studied Bible for 10 years
;-))

Mine is Ecclethiastes.[/b][/quote]
Revelation.

'Do not be afraid of anything you are about to suffer.'

But we all know christ had nothing to do withrevelation, doesnt it trace back to Syria MANY moons before the nazarene even walked?

[JR]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Dec 2 2003, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Dec 2 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Dec 2 2003, 12:25 PM
Interesting that some people like to pretend there is Conservative "logic" (conveniently forgetting Liberal "logic")....when really, there is only logic itself.....

There are conservative and liberal AGENDAS, and both of them are so contradictory that any attempt to make them "logical" is doomed to failure.

The deluded wish that either side is more intelligent, educated, logical, emotional, whatever; is hysterical.
Most intelligent post in this thread.[/b][/quote]
exactly. agree 100%

people defend their bias as being an objective decision. thats crazy. you are not objective if you are biased and you are not making objective decisions if you are biased.

i wish people would just stick to saying "this is what i am" without bizarre and horrbly inconsistent rationalizations for it.

if you are biased, you are not objectively deciding that you are liberal or conservative. you are instead percieving issues through the windows of that bias and intepreting everything consistent with that bias.

[Winetalk.com]

I dunno...I couldn't force myself to go past 2 chapetrs of New Testament
;-)))

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:14 AM
I dunno...I couldn't force myself to go past 2 chapetrs of New Testament
;-)))
the old is surely better, more blood and death.

i love the stories of the plagues and the killing of children though. the removal of kings is always fascinating to me, since thats what jesus was trying to say anyhow.

as i said, there is a lot of good stuff in there.

stories within the stories.

[[Labret]]

I prefer the New Testament. It describes in great detail how the semite poison was spread into the diaspora.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 11:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 11:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Dec 2 2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 08:46 AM

So you're saying there is no check on professors publishing books, just on idiots like you writing dissertations or theses in shit like sociology?

Labret... you're an ignorant little bitch.

Uhm, last time I checked, when you publish a book, you are not made to defend it in order to get it published. When you present a degree seeking dissertation or thesis, yes, you will be made to defend it.

Anyone can be published. I bet even your retarded ass could get something published.

you struggle a lot in life dont you?


I bet you're one of the 15 people who believed Bill Clinton when he said he tried pot a few times but didn't inhale.

You lost. But I hope you know why you lost. You didn't lose because the leftism is just wrong (it is, but that's not why you lost).

You lost because you're an ignorant little bitch who thinks a masters in sociology means something.

I swear, of all my favorite irrational board whores, you make the top 5 of all time. I love you. You try so hard god bless your fat heart. Your posts never fail to make me smile, which is more than I can say for your compatriots.

Case in point.


So now you're saying academics just might be frauds after all, just not in the classroom or when on a panel to review a dipshit like you?


Yeah, thats what I said. All academics are frauds. There you got me. hehe

All I said was is the claims made by Peaches that academia is rampant with made up stats and kook science is bullshit in that we have checks and balances. What some dick does outside the classroom is all him.

For example, you on this board with your made up econ theory. You can spout it off all day on here, I would looooove to see you get before some econ professors. checks and balances. Because you make shit up outside of academia, should all econ academics be punished?

Of course not, but we already know this. You are just prone to flights of fancy to illustrate your brainfarts.[/b][/quote]
You stupid, ignorant, insipid asswipe:

My father is an economics professor. One of my degrees is in economics. I am friends with and correspond regularly with Dr. Walter Block, Dr. Michael Saliba, William Anderson, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Lew Rockwell.

I understand enough about economics to explain how I knew from the moment I first read one of you inane posts that you were a graduate of public school.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you didn't go to public school.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 02:12 PM
How can you even understand a book or a movie for that matter just one time?

I am one of those who underline passages on nearly every page i read in every book.

all my books are filled with place holders and underlined parts with notes on the side.

i dont read, i study a book when i pick it up.

how else can you learn from it?
Don't forget, I'm dumb. B)

Quite honestly, I rarely read books to "learn". While there ARE some which I enjoy learning from, I almost always read for strictly for entertainment. My attention span is short so magazine, newspaper, internet articles hold my interest better and teach me more than reading a book would do.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 01:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:14 AM
I dunno...I couldn't force myself to go past 2 chapetrs of New Testament
;-)))
the old is surely better, more blood and death.

i love the stories of the plagues and the killing of children though. the removal of kings is always fascinating to me, since thats what jesus was trying to say anyhow.

as i said, there is a lot of good stuff in there.

stories within the stories.[/b][/quote]
exactly!
I don't get why some object abortions...Bible says that killing children is OK!
;-))) :okthumb:

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 01:18 PM
I prefer the New Testament. It describes in great detail how the semite poison was spread into the diaspora.
was it in the same way the Soviet era statistics spread among USA academia?
;-)))

[Fletch XXX]

in addition Serge, I have the two extra volumes of the Apocrypha too.

not as interesting as the others, but a good read.

probably why they left these chapters out hahahaha

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/apoc.jpg



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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 2 2003, 10:18 AM

You stupid, ignorant, insipid asswipe:

My father is an economics professor. One of my degrees is in economics. I am friends with and correspond regularly with Dr. Walter Block, Dr. Michael Saliba, William Anderson, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Lew Rockwell.

I understand enough about economics to explain how I knew from the moment I first read one of you inane posts that you were a graduate of public school.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you didn't go to public school.

My oh my what a short memory you have. We already covered this back when I shit all over your patriotic magnum opus.

But I see a refresher is required.

Hell yeah I went to public school. The same public school system that built this country you love so much. How dare you attempt to shit on the system that has produced so many military heros!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 2 2003, 01:18 PM

Yeah, thats what I said. All academics are frauds. There you got me. hehe

All I said was is the claims made by Peaches that academia is rampant with made up stats and kook science is bullshit in that we have checks and balances. What some dick does outside the classroom is all him.

For example, you on this board with your made up econ theory. You can spout it off all day on here, I would looooove to see you get before some econ professors. checks and balances. Because you make shit up outside of academia, should all econ academics be punished?

Of course not, but we already know this. You are just prone to flights of fancy to illustrate your brainfarts.
You stupid, ignorant, insipid asswipe:

My father is an economics professor. One of my degrees is in economics. I am friends with and correspond regularly with Dr. Walter Block, Dr. Michael Saliba, William Anderson, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Lew Rockwell.

I understand enough about economics to explain how I knew from the moment I first read one of you inane posts that you were a graduate of public school.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you didn't go to public school.[/quote]
he didn't......him, dig420, RawAlex,
didn't have parents who could afford it.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:20 PM
in addition Serge, I have the two extra volumes of the Apocrypha too.

not as interesting as the others, but a good read.

probably why they left these chapters out hahahaha

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/apoc.jpg
any SEX stories a-la Decameron, Bocaccio?
;-)))

[[Labret]]

he didn't......him, dig420, RawAlex,
didn't have parents who could afford it.

Shit, I grew up mostly in the sticks. The only private school out there is run by home schooled fundamentalist xtians. Not everyone is fancy schmancy city folk.



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[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 10:18 AM

You stupid, ignorant, insipid asswipe:

My father is an economics professor. One of my degrees is in economics. I am friends with and correspond regularly with Dr. Walter Block, Dr. Michael Saliba, William Anderson, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Lew Rockwell.

I understand enough about economics to explain how I knew from the moment I first read one of you inane posts that you were a graduate of public school.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you didn't go to public school.

My oh my what a short memory you have. We already covered this back when I shit all over your patriotic magnum opus.

But I see a refresher is required.

Hell yeah I went to public school. The same public school system that built this country you love so much. How dare you attempt to shit on the system that has produced so many military heros![/b][/quote]
Can always tell the public school kids.

You got exactly the education you paid for.

I think that will suffice for the rest of this idiotic debate of yours, and indeed any other bullshit leftism you care to share with us.

[PornoDoggy]

Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:

[JR]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 10:23 AM

he didn't......him, dig420, RawAlex,
didn't have parents who could afford it.

Shit, I grew up mostly in the sticks. The only private school out there is run by home schooled fundamentalist xtians. Not everyone is fancy schmancy city folk.
i was kicked out of a private christian school in the 3rd grade. they got tired of a little kid who kept demanding tangible proof that God existed. instead, they just found reasons to beat me everyday (phsycially - by the principle). it was bizarre.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 10:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 01:20 PM
in addition Serge, I have the two extra volumes of the Apocrypha too.

not as interesting as the others, but a good read.

probably why they left these chapters out hahahaha

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/apoc.jpg
any SEX stories a-la Decameron, Bocaccio?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
nope,

http://wesley.nnu.edu/noncanon/apocrypha.htm

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 01:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 10:18 AM

You stupid, ignorant, insipid asswipe:

My father is an economics professor. One of my degrees is in economics. I am friends with and correspond regularly with Dr. Walter Block, Dr. Michael Saliba, William Anderson, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Lew Rockwell.

I understand enough about economics to explain how I knew from the moment I first read one of you inane posts that you were a graduate of public school.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you didn't go to public school.

My oh my what a short memory you have. We already covered this back when I shit all over your patriotic magnum opus.

But I see a refresher is required.

Hell yeah I went to public school. The same public school system that built this country you love so much. How dare you attempt to shit on the system that has produced so many military heros![/b][/quote]
You suprise me with that one. I thought you were smarter than that, at least.

Buff doesn't love this country.

Buff loves an abstract idea of what he thinks this country ought to be.

The America that lives and breathes in 2003 is an object of Buffy's contempt.

After all, there are too many public school commoners running around.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Dec 2 2003, 01:27 PM

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Labret, c'mon, let's talk stats! some more...
I wanna learn from you...

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 10:24 AM
Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:

Shit. Look how far that fancy education got him. Into the military and now banging prostitutes on camera for a website.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Dec 2 2003, 01:25 PM

i was kicked out of a private christian school in the 3rd grade. they got tired of a little kid who kept demanding tangible proof that God existed. instead, they just found reasons to beat me everyday (phsycially - by the principle). it was bizarre.
be THANKFUL for that, it was much more pleasant treatment than those who DID NOT beleive USSR stats got
;-))))

and you, Labret thought that Hans was bad.....
hhahahahahahahaha
;_))))

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches@Dec 2 2003, 10:18 AM


Quite honestly, I rarely read books to "learn". While there ARE some which I enjoy learning from, I almost always read for strictly for entertainment. My attention span is short so magazine, newspaper, internet articles hold my interest better and teach me more than reading a book would do.
more proverbs:

'a fool does not care whether he understands a thing or not; all he wants to do is show how smart he is.'

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 10:26 AM

You suprise me with that one. I thought you were smarter than that, at least.

Buff doesn't love this country.

Buff loves an abstract idea of what he thinks this country ought to be.

The America that lives and breathes in 2003 is an object of Buffy's contempt.

After all, there are too many public school commoners running around.

Interesting, I must have missed that day.

Details. Tell me more of this Buff world.

I read his patriot rant so I just drew some conclusions. That was my introduction to Buff.



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[Fletch XXX]

isnt the idea of 'public school' itself COMMUNIST?

[PornoDoggy]

There was no specific "day" about this - it's obvious from the posts (he and a couple of others) make.

[Winetalk.com]

Labret, if you wanna be "like Serge",
you MUST find your way out of the mess you put yourself with quoting USSR vintage statistics as the GENUINE fact
;-)))

c'mon, at least you gotta try!

bumps and bruises bild the charecter

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:33 AM
Labret, if you wanna be "like Serge",
you MUST find your way out of the mess you put yourself with quoting USSR vintage statistics as the GENUINE fact
;-)))

c'mon, at least you gotta try!

bumps and bruises bild the charecter

Why when I can sit back and watch you obsess over your inability to prove otherwise?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:33 AM
Labret, if you wanna be "like Serge",
you MUST find your way out of the mess you put yourself with quoting USSR vintage statistics as the GENUINE fact
;-)))

c'mon, at least you gotta try!

bumps and bruises bild the charecter

Why when I can sit back and watch you obsess over your inability to prove otherwise?[/b][/quote]
weak, but an attempt nevertheless...
now,
for the FUCKING RECORD,
do YOU believe those USSR vintage stats you showed in the article you posted,
YES or NO.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 2 2003, 10:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 2 2003, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 01:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:33 AM
Labret, if you wanna be "like Serge",
you MUST find your way out of the mess you put yourself with quoting USSR vintage statistics as the GENUINE fact
;-)))

c'mon, at least you gotta try!

bumps and bruises bild the charecter

Why when I can sit back and watch you obsess over your inability to prove otherwise?
weak, but an attempt nevertheless...
now,
for the FUCKING RECORD,
do YOU believe those USSR vintage stats you showed in the article you posted,
YES or NO.[/b][/quote]

Did you know that the Ramones started punk rock?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Dec 2 2003, 02:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Dec 2 2003, 02:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Dec 2 2003, 10:18 AM


Quite honestly, I rarely read books to "learn". While there ARE some which I enjoy learning from, I almost always read for strictly for entertainment. My attention span is short so magazine, newspaper, internet articles hold my interest better and teach me more than reading a book would do.
more proverbs:

'a fool does not care whether he understands a thing or not; all he wants to do is show how smart he is.'[/b][/quote]
Thankfully, per you, I obviously enjoy showing how dumb I am. B)

Of course, I'm hoping you don't equate learning from books specifically with "understanding" things. That would show a large amount of ignorance on your part as there are many illiterate people who "understand" more things than you and I combined. :awinky:

As you grow older, you will hopefully realize that different people learn things in different ways and being "book smart" is entirely different from having common sense/being "street smart". Sorry I don't have a clever Bible verse to back this up with - just a few years of experience. Maybe you could find one for me? :okthumb:

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 12:24 PM
Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:
PD, one example is all it took to refute that jackass' ridiculous statement that there is a checks and balances system which makes academic fraud impossible. That's all my intention was.

I can give you numberous examples of right-wing ideologues fabricating and distorting statistics in academia too.

He says academic fraud doesn't exist, I say it is rampant. I believe it's more rampant in some areas than others, and those areas are the ones controlled by agenda-driven leftists, but that's my opinion, it would be hard to prove; whereas, proving that fraud exists is much easier.

Summary: Idiot made stupid claim. I proved claim false with one example.

I never said "all leftist academics" do anything. I had two exceptional neo-Marxian (their word) Philosophy Profs, Dr. Vogt -- an Austrian guy and Dr. Mu, a Chinese woman, who used were as biased as the day is long. Yet, they were/are great teachers and completely academically honest. They exposed me to post-modern thought.

PD, Labret is a jackass, why would you want to take up for him?



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[Fletch XXX]

peaches:

reading too deep is not good for discussion.

:moon:



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Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 01:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:33 AM
Labret, if you wanna be "like Serge",
you MUST find your way out of the mess you put yourself with quoting USSR vintage statistics as the GENUINE fact
;-)))

c'mon, at least you gotta try!

bumps and bruises bild the charecter

Why when I can sit back and watch you obsess over your inability to prove otherwise?
weak, but an attempt nevertheless...
now,
for the FUCKING RECORD,
do YOU believe those USSR vintage stats you showed in the article you posted,
YES or NO.

Did you know that the Ramones started punk rock?[/b][/quote]
don't mascarade as a Jew with answers in the form of the question,
you'll PERHAPS reach a Jew stage 5 years AFTER you reach "like Serge" stage
;-0))

YES or NO?

or just be a "mench" and admit to your mistake, I'm sure they taught you HOW in academia...

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff+Dec 2 2003, 10:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Dec 2 2003, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 12:24 PM
Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:
PD, one example is all it took to refute that jackass' ridiculous statement that there is a checks and balances system which makes academic fraud impossible. That's all my intention was.

I can give you numberous examples of right-wing ideologues fabricating and distorting statistics in academia too.

He says academic fraud doesn't exist, I say it is rampant. I believe it's more rampant in the some areas than others, and those areas are the ones controlled by agenda-driven leftists, but that's my opinion, it would be hard to prove; whereas, proving that fraud exists is much easier.

Summary: Idiot made stupid claim. I proved claim false with one example.

I never said "all leftist academics do anything. I had two exceptional neo-Marxian (their word) Philosophy Profs, Dr. Vogt -- an Austrian guy and Dr. Mu, a Chinese woman, who used were as biased as the day is long. Yet, they were/are great teachers and completely academically honest. They exposed me to post-modern thought.

PD, Labret is a jackass, why would you want to take up for him?[/b][/quote]

All you proved was publishing has no checks and balances. Congrats. It took some academics to expose him. Thank you, move along.



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[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Dec 2 2003, 12:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Dec 2 2003, 12:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 01:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Dec 2 2003, 10:18 AM

You stupid, ignorant, insipid asswipe:

My father is an economics professor. One of my degrees is in economics. I am friends with and correspond regularly with Dr. Walter Block, Dr. Michael Saliba, William Anderson, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Lew Rockwell.

I understand enough about economics to explain how I knew from the moment I first read one of you inane posts that you were a graduate of public school.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you didn't go to public school.

My oh my what a short memory you have. We already covered this back when I shit all over your patriotic magnum opus.

But I see a refresher is required.

Hell yeah I went to public school. The same public school system that built this country you love so much. How dare you attempt to shit on the system that has produced so many military heros!
You suprise me with that one. I thought you were smarter than that, at least.

Buff doesn't love this country.

Buff loves an abstract idea of what he thinks this country ought to be.

The America that lives and breathes in 2003 is an object of Buffy's contempt.

After all, there are too many public school commoners running around.[/b][/quote]
What does it mean "to love America," PD? Do you pass buildings and say to yourself, "Damn, that building completes me!"

Or does it have something to do with sharing a sense of belonging with this heterogenic population which all happens to reside inside specific geographical borders?

I neither love nor hate nor feel indifferently about "America."

I love living inside the geographic borders and interacting with many of the citizens of America, but I also have contempt for many of them.

I would be willing to bet you and I are the same in that respect.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 02:40 PM
peaches:

reading too deep is not good for discussion.

:moon:
Reading what's posted is excellent for discussion, which is what I thought we were doing..... :unsure:

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 12:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 10:24 AM
Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:

Shit. Look how far that fancy education got him. Into the military and now banging prostitutes on camera for a website.[/b][/quote]
It's highly possible that if you continue your pursuit of the Ivory Tower paradise, you'll end up working for me.

You don't know shit about me, bitch.

[Winetalk.com]

Labret,
YES or NO?

do I have to bring pliers to get it from you?
;-)))

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 12:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Dec 2 2003, 10:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 12:24 PM
Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:
PD, one example is all it took to refute that jackass' ridiculous statement that there is a checks and balances system which makes academic fraud impossible. That's all my intention was.

I can give you numberous examples of right-wing ideologues fabricating and distorting statistics in academia too.

He says academic fraud doesn't exist, I say it is rampant. I believe it's more rampant in the some areas than others, and those areas are the ones controlled by agenda-driven leftists, but that's my opinion, it would be hard to prove; whereas, proving that fraud exists is much easier.

Summary: Idiot made stupid claim. I proved claim false with one example.

I never said "all leftist academics do anything. I had two exceptional neo-Marxian (their word) Philosophy Profs, Dr. Vogt -- an Austrian guy and Dr. Mu, a Chinese woman, who used were as biased as the day is long. Yet, they were/are great teachers and completely academically honest. They exposed me to post-modern thought.

PD, Labret is a jackass, why would you want to take up for him?

All you proved was publishing has no checks and balances. Congrats. It took some academics to expose him. Thank you, move along.[/b][/quote]
I proved that there are frauds in academia who make up stats and facts, something you said doesn't happen.

He taught at a university. Therefore, someone who taught at a university manufactured stats and facts.

You are an idiot. You can't win. You will never win.

How are your social justice classes going?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 2 2003, 01:48 PM


How are your social justice classes going?
aparently very well,
they just finished with learning the ULTIMATE TRUTH:
Statistics, made in USSR!
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

..and Labret, you'll NEVER reach "like serge" stage, untill you learn 3 simples words:
"I was wrong"
;-)))

have a nice studies in "Academia"
;-)))))

NEXT?
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 2 2003, 10:47 AM
Labret,
YES or NO?

do I have to bring pliers to get it from you?
;-)))

ahahaah

Yes or no as to whether I believe ROI for the Soviet Union per 100k of population were less than that of the current American imprisonment binge?

Hmmmm

I am inclined to believe my professor, but as I personally have not seen the statistics of old style Soviet incarceration, I am hesitant. As I know any slip will result in you riding me like a cheap Mexican whore.

That being said, the stats I posted previous that showed Russia as slightly trailing the USA in ROI, are stats that I personally have read that says that post breakdown Russia has resulted in an increase in ROI. So, if Russia is still sitting behind the USA in ROI, and that is post Soviet collapse... hmmmm



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[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 02:51 PM
I am inclined to believe my professor, but as I personally have not seen the statistics of old style Soviet incarceration, I am hesitant.
There may be hope for you after all. :awinky:

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 10:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 10:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 02:51 PM
I am inclined to believe my professor, but as I personally have not seen the statistics of old style Soviet incarceration, I am hesitant.
There may be hope for you after all. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Quiet in the peanut gallery.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff+Dec 2 2003, 01:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Dec 2 2003, 01:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 12:24 PM
Hey buffy ... you quote one instance of a leftist academic who fabricated figures about a subject that gets you aroused (guns), and use that as some sort of proof that all academics - or at least all leftist academics - falsify information, and you have the gall to denigrate public school education?

Have daddy ask for his money back. :blink:
PD, one example is all it took to refute that jackass' ridiculous statement that there is a checks and balances system which makes academic fraud impossible. That's all my intention was.

I can give you numberous examples of right-wing ideologues fabricating and distorting statistics in academia too.

He says academic fraud doesn't exist, I say it is rampant. I believe it's more rampant in some areas than others, and those areas are the ones controlled by agenda-driven leftists, but that's my opinion, it would be hard to prove; whereas, proving that fraud exists is much easier.

Summary: Idiot made stupid claim. I proved claim false with one example.

I never said "all leftist academics" do anything. I had two exceptional neo-Marxian (their word) Philosophy Profs, Dr. Vogt -- an Austrian guy and Dr. Mu, a Chinese woman, who used were as biased as the day is long. Yet, they were/are great teachers and completely academically honest. They exposed me to post-modern thought.

PD, Labret is a jackass, why would you want to take up for him?[/b][/quote]
Please consider it more a defense of my humble public school education.

I find the idea that private school education is automatically of more value than that from a public school patently absurd. Of more value on a resume, and of great value in networking - of course.

Frankly, the condescending arrogance that [labert] maintains in most of his posts isn't much different from yours in regards to public schools. Had I not read his posts I would have suspected private schools, perhaps Jesuits.

[Winetalk.com]

ok, "hmmm's" are fine by me.

Doubting is GOOD for the Mind.

and if I put a "hmmm's" in you and you look for MORE answers than the stats you posted and find the TRUTH yourself,
I will NOT steal your pleasure of correcting the "academia"
;-))

LMK if you need my help in research,
I have a few sources in mind, in Rusian, and I can help with translation.

cheers!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Dec 2 2003, 02:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Dec 2 2003, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Peaches@Dec 2 2003, 10:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Dec 2 2003, 02:51 PM
I am inclined to believe my professor, but as I personally have not seen the statistics of old style Soviet incarceration, I am hesitant.
There may be hope for you after all. :awinky:
Quiet in the peanut gallery.[/b][/quote]
:wnw:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 01:55 PM

I find the idea that private school education is automatically of more value than that from a public school patently absurd.
not for us, divorcees, who'd go EXTRA mile to keep poor children away from their stupid mothers
;-))))

;-))

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches+Dec 2 2003, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Dec 2 2003, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Dec 2 2003, 02:40 PM
peaches:

reading too deep is not good for discussion.

:moon:
Reading what's posted is excellent for discussion, which is what I thought we were doing..... :unsure:[/b][/quote]
no, youre going on about if i do or dont think reading equates blah blah blah and that knowledge is not found in books.

when all i did was say that i like to read a book more than once to make sure i grasp it, and in case i missed something.

i find it hard to communicate with someone who couldnt read the Divine Comedy more than once.



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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Dec 2 2003, 10:48 AM

I proved that there are frauds in academia who make up stats and facts, something you said doesn't happen.

He taught at a university. Therefore, someone who taught at a university manufactured stats and facts.

You are an idiot. You can't win. You will never win.

How are your social justice classes going?

I have never heard of social justice. Stop making things up. Wait, look who I am asking.

I said you will not find rampant fraud "within" academia. Had his book gone before a review, as in an academic journal, it never would have made it to market and you wouldnt be able to dance around with it. He was a dumbfuck that thought because he was not subject to the checks and balances he would receive within academia he could further his agenda. Academia smoked him out.

If I started raping goats could you make the conclusion that goat raping is rampant in academia?

This is becoming redundant.



Last edited by [Labret] at Dec 2 2003, 11:01 AM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 2 2003, 02:55 PM
I find the idea that private school education is automatically of more value than that from a public school patently absurd. Of more value on a resume, and of great value in networking - of course.
Heck, imagine how confused I am - I went to private kindergarten, public school from 1-4th grade, private school from 5-11th grade, then graduated from a public school. :zoinks:

And then we have my poor son who went to public school until HS and then graduated from a Charter school.

We're lost souls - we don't know where we fit on the graph. :(

[Nickatilynx]

Heck, imagine how confused I am -

Tell me about it! I went to an English public school and English public schools are private!!! ;-))))

A wiseman said :

"" A man who never admits making an error ,never needs to apologise. He also will never learn.""

;-)))