History of the adult net....

[sarettah]

Ok, how about it....

I know, or think I know, that the original big players on the adultnet came directly out of adiotext/phonesex.... Know that some of them probably came from the BBS community...

Who were they, when did they come on to the scene, what were their programs/sites...

I would like to get a picture of the chronology prior to '99....

I have watched or participated in it since 99, so I am pretty clear on it...

thanx.....

[Winetalk.com]

The very first paysite owner to speak of was Al Hadhazym, Amateur Harcore.
His major competitor was Richard from Intertain Online.

before them, it was mostly amateur free sites, and PK wasn't even the biggest link list, the student od EDU server was...
Jonathan lately bought his site and sold it to Python

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 07:06 PM
The very first paysite owner to speak of was Al Hadhazym, Amateur Harcore.
His major competitor was Richard from Intertain Online.

before them, it was mostly amateur free sites, and PK wasn't even the biggest link list, the student od EDU server was...
Jonathan lately bought his site and sold it to Python
96 ? or prior ? thanx

Who did the first "affiliate program" ?

When was it that LN got nailed for scanning content or whateverthey nailed her for ?

thanx :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sarettah+Nov 25 2003, 07:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Nov 25 2003, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 07:06 PM
The very first paysite owner to speak of was Al Hadhazym, Amateur Harcore.
His major competitor was Richard from Intertain Online.

before them, it was mostly amateur free sites, and PK wasn't even the biggest link list, the student od EDU server was...
Jonathan lately bought his site and sold it to Python
96 ? or prior ? thanx

Who did the first "affiliate program" ?

When was it that LN got nailed for scanning content or whateverthey nailed her for ?

thanx :)[/b][/quote]
96...
in 95 the net was free, dark and void
;-))

First affiliate program was AH - Al Hadhazy, FM came with his version 3 weeks later.

LN got nalkied for using shareware on her CD's but...she later on nailed Al hadhazy for using those CD's in member sections without paying her a dime..
she ripped him a new one,
in those days Lee peed staying up
;-)))

[sarettah]

Ok, so FM comes on the scene behind Amateur Hardcore....

and they start the affiliate model...

I imagine pay per click back then ?

What followed...... Are we now at 2nd generation, 3rd, 4th ??

I know AI and You and several others were one level after FM (I saw the agent99 :))

And somewhere in the early"traffic" days Nick started getting in...

Were there many other 1st gen players besides FM and Amateur Hardcore ?

[Fletch XXX]

Al Hadhazy, and then came Chatsworth.

hehehe

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 25 2003, 07:20 PM
Ok, so FM comes on the scene behind Amateur Hardcore....

and they start the affiliate model...

I imagine pay per click back then ?

What followed...... Are we now at 2nd generation, 3rd, 4th ??

I know AI and You and several others were one level after FM (I saw the agent99 :))

And somewhere in the early"traffic" days Nick started getting in...

Were there many other 1st gen players besides FM and Amateur Hardcore ?
AI, me, lots of others were there BEFORE FM and he was begging us all for traffic.


ClubLOve (Seth Warshawski) was about the same time as AH, Intertain, CE...
few others long gone now...

[Nickatilynx]

I was a traffic whore who was played (around chapter 6) by Scottpb and serge. :)

I then acquired Netpond just before a mutiny occured on YNOT and everyone wanted somewhere else to post.One of the rabble rousers was...you guessed it ;-)))

Netpondclicks was run by a moron (kaiser) ,I fired him.

Then I became a big click broker as the result of a bet ,the bet was wagered by...you guessed it ;-)))



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Nov 25 2003, 04:40 PM

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM
I then acquired Netpond
thats one way of putting it :P

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM
I was a traffic whore who was played (around chapter 6) by Scottpb and serge. :)

I then acquired Netpond just before a mutiny occured on YNOT and everyone wanted somewhere else to post.One of the rabble rousers was...you guessed it ;-)))

Netpondclicks was run by a moron (kaiser) ,I fired him.

Then I became a big click broker as the result of a bet ,the bet was wagered by...you guessed it ;-)))
Tell him how you became and "evil spammer" that has no morals!! :devil:
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Or at least the ones you can afford!! :P

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM
I was a traffic whore who was played (around chapter 6) by Scottpb and serge. :)

I then acquired Netpond just before a mutiny occured on YNOT and everyone wanted somewhere else to post.One of the rabble rousers was...you guessed it ;-)))

Netpondclicks was run by a moron (kaiser) ,I fired him.

Then I became a big click broker as the result of a bet ,the bet was wagered by...you guessed it ;-)))
Bruce Bortell.....where is Mr Power Broker now?

Up in NY with his fat assed "Im too good to be content" girlfriend!

BTW the net evolved from the oooze of usenet and mailing lists.
Nick I had 10K members to an amatuer mailing list. They would have PAID to have been on it!

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 25 2003, 07:20 PM
Ok, so FM comes on the scene behind Amateur Hardcore....

and they start the affiliate model...

I imagine pay per click back then ?

What followed...... Are we now at 2nd generation, 3rd, 4th ??

I know AI and You and several others were one level after FM (I saw the agent99 :))

And somewhere in the early"traffic" days Nick started getting in...

Were there many other 1st gen players besides FM and Amateur Hardcore ?


You don't beleive everything Agent 69 says do you??

I am not sure when ron got on the net, but I am pretty sure I beat him to it. He used to call begging for traffic. At the time I was selling it to Al who would fedex me a check every week.

I remember getting my first check, it was like 2k, I was on cloud 9!!

[KRL]

Phone Sex started with 976 numbers back in '84. We went to AT&T to convince them that they could make a killing by providing the same pay per call model the regional bells were doing with 976 numbers but on a nationwide basis with a single premium billing number that would work across state lines. AT&T got into the pay per call game shortly thereafter and the 900 number was born. Cha Ching . . . LOL

Used to blitzkrieg CompuServe's GIF picture areas with free pics imprinted with our 900 numbers on them. Seeing thousands of CS surfers download the pics and knowing it was free advertising was so cool.

As soon as the Net went commercial, you could see the writing on the wall for the entrance of porn.

Al's AH. Yep those pay per click days were $wonderful$.



Last edited by KRL at Nov 25 2003, 09:38 PM

[Gman.357]

What year did Pure Hardcore (Internet Supply) get big? I remember cutting some deals with Dave S. that seemed like big bucks to me back in the day, meanwhile he was probably laughing at how cheap I was to buy out back then. LOL.

:headwall:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Nov 25 2003, 05:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Nov 25 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM
I was a traffic whore who was played (around chapter 6) by Scottpb and serge. :)

I then acquired Netpond just before a mutiny occured on YNOT and everyone wanted somewhere else to post.One of the rabble rousers was...you guessed it ;-)))

Netpondclicks was run by a moron (kaiser) ,I fired him.

Then I became a big click broker as the result of a bet ,the bet was wagered by...you guessed it ;-)))
Tell him how you became and "evil spammer" that has no morals!! :devil:
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Or at least the ones you can afford!! :P[/b][/quote]


I still only have the morals I can afford , but I have more morals lately. '-)))

I managed to acquire them from other industry people as times became tougher and they were offloading them , cheap.

:yowsa: :agrin:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Gman.357@Nov 25 2003, 09:40 PM
What year did Pure Hardcore (Internet Supply) get big? I remember cutting some deals with Dave S. that seemed like big bucks to me back in the day, meanwhile he was probably laughing at how cheap I was to buy out back then. LOL.

:headwall:
1997...his first traffic purchase from me was at 2 5/8th per raw click.

he started by TRYING to sell videos on the net.
I charged him $150 for one e-mail consultation and he scrapped videos and opened the pay site with recurrs instead.

[Dravyk]

Let me see what I can add ....

FM's was the first automatic one, sign up and here's your linking code. The others were, sign up, and we'll manually get back to you in a few days.

The click began with raw, but webmasters quickly started reloading their pages, the unique was born. (aka, the ability to have webmaster fraud switched to the ability to have sponsor fraud, that is, if they were so inclined)

One of the most loved and hated was the unique with conversions model, the staggered step beastie. Most webmasters would see a really nice paycheck coming their way several days before the end of the month as they'd managed to maintain a good level just about the entire month, ahem, when "all of a sudden" they got a few more hits, a few less sales, the conversion level went down one, and the webmaster would get a lot smaller paycheck than the one he'd been expecting.

(That is ... the webmaster had 1:277 on the 27th of the month, paying at 15 cents per at that level of 150-300, but then they got more hits, more hits, no sales, more hits, and find on the 31st that they were at 1:318 or one-below at the 300-500 level, and that might have paid 5 cents per)

Then came recurring, then came per sign up.

[Winetalk.com]

and here is the REAL reason Lens lets me get away with murder on GFY:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s...threadid=201706 (http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201706)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 25 2003, 09:58 PM
Let me see what I can add ....

FM's was the first automatic one, sign up and here's your linking code. The others were, sign up, and we'll manually get back to you in a few days.

The click began with raw, but webmasters quickly started reloading their pages, the unique was born. (aka, the ability to have webmaster fraud switched to the ability to have sponsor fraud, that is, if they were so inclined)

One of the most loved and hated was the unique with conversions model, the staggered step beastie. Most webmasters would see a really nice paycheck coming their way several days before the end of the month as they'd managed to maintain a good level just about the entire month, ahem, when "all of a sudden" they got a few more hits, a few less sales, the conversion level went down one, and the webmaster would get a lot smaller paycheck than the one he'd been expecting.

(That is ... the webmaster had 1:277 on the 27th of the month, paying at 15 cents per at that level of 150-300, but then they got more hits, more hits, no sales, more hits, and find on the 31st that they were at 1:318 or one-below at the 300-500 level, and that might have paid 5 cents per)

Then came recurring, then came per sign up.
Dravyk, you are wrong,
AH had automatic code given on the spoty and he paid on uniques..
Roin paid per raw because
1) he didn't know any better, he was a newb
2) he paid off access log

all of it was in PRE affiliate program days

[Gman.357]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 25 2003, 06:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 25 2003, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Gman.357@Nov 25 2003, 09:40 PM
What year did Pure Hardcore (Internet Supply) get big? I remember cutting some deals with Dave S. that seemed like big bucks to me back in the day, meanwhile he was probably laughing at how cheap I was to buy out back then. LOL.

:headwall:
1997...his first traffic purchase from me was at 2 5/8th per raw click.

he started by TRYING to sell videos on the net.
I charged him $150 for one e-mail consultation and he scrapped videos and opened the pay site with recurrs instead.[/b][/quote]
I bet he was grateful for that piece of advice!

I never did biz with you directly, but I recall no matter who I did deals with (aside from possibly Xpics), you were somehow involved. I did a deal with Dean (Intergal) once, and got a check the next day signed by YOU. LOL. At first, I didn't know what the hell it was for.

I think all the "deep roots" in this biz one way or another run through Serge.

[Nickatilynx]

The click began with raw, but webmasters quickly started reloading their pages, the unique was born. (aka, the ability to have webmaster fraud switched to the ability to have sponsor fraud, that is, if they were so inclined)


So sponsors that ran RAW programs were the honest ones? ;-))))

[Dravyk]

I remember many of the early audio text folks didn't have paysites, they were trying to get people to pay using dialers. This was dialers 1.0. No one ever heard of them, not in the US, not even prevelent in Europe either then. So they were a bust.

I managed to acquire them from other industry people as times became tougher and they were offloading them
Don't look my way. I'm getting Nick's old morals. :blink:

[sextoyking]

Man the good old days :)

In a few months this will be my 10th year on the net, wow!!

bbs systems, usenet, online.

So much has changed in all these years. Seems like yesterday that we were sending fido and other groups adult cdrom ads through our bbs.

Lee's busty babe series rocked for sales :)

Working in our community for so many years has been a great plesure for me. I wouldn't trade it for the world!! :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Gman.357+Nov 25 2003, 10:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gman.357 @ Nov 25 2003, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 06:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Gman.357@Nov 25 2003, 09:40 PM
What year did Pure Hardcore (Internet Supply) get big? I remember cutting some deals with Dave S. that seemed like big bucks to me back in the day, meanwhile he was probably laughing at how cheap I was to buy out back then. LOL.

:headwall:
1997...his first traffic purchase from me was at 2 5/8th per raw click.

he started by TRYING to sell videos on the net.
I charged him $150 for one e-mail consultation and he scrapped videos and opened the pay site with recurrs instead.
I bet he was grateful for that piece of advice!

I never did biz with you directly, but I recall no matter who I did deals with (aside from possibly Xpics), you were somehow involved. I did a deal with Dean (Intergal) once, and got a check the next day signed by YOU. LOL. At first, I didn't know what the hell it was for.

I think all the "deep roots" in this biz one way or another run through Serge.[/b][/quote]
Dave was one of the first I consulted, Dean was one of the last from TITANS generation

Both, Dave and Dean, were VERY grateful and Dean was one of the last sergescash affiliates to see the program 'till the last day.

I NEVER forget good things done to me, and repay my debts of honor in full.

I still hear from Dean from time to time, he is doiung VERY well with gambling, which is legal in Brissie. He fulfilled Michael Corleone's dream and went 100% legit
;-)))

you got Dean's money from me because I was his "US banker" at that time
;-))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 10:03 PM
The click began with raw, but webmasters quickly started reloading their pages, the unique was born. (aka, the ability to have webmaster fraud switched to the ability to have sponsor fraud, that is, if they were so inclined)


So sponsors that ran RAW programs were the honest ones? ;-))))
Ron was VERY honest in his first months...paying off access log is abitch, but he smartened up rather FAST!
;_)))

[Nickatilynx]

Ron was VERY honest in his first months...paying off access log is abitch, but he smartened up rather FAST!
;_)))


ahahahahahhaha , let me fill it in for you. For fear of "The Letter"....

(cough)

"Alledgedly".

[sarettah]

I don't believe everything I see...

But how can you not believe agent69..... :yowsa:

Seriously, I did not know which came first the R_N or the traffic. But I knew there was some sort of association.

[*KK*]

I just got thru reading this book by Donna Tartt, called The Secret Friend.

Somehow the intro of the book and this thread struck a nerve together in my head.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by *KK*@Nov 25 2003, 10:38 PM
I just got thru reading this book by Donna Tartt, called The Secret Friend.

Somehow the intro of the book and this thread struck a nerve together in my head.


Is this some kind if secret code you are sending to your Al Quada friends?

Why don't you fill us in about the intro....

:rolleyes:

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 25 2003, 09:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 25 2003, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -TheEnforcer@Nov 25 2003, 05:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 07:39 PM
I was a traffic whore who was played (around chapter 6) by Scottpb and serge. :)

I then acquired Netpond just before a mutiny occured on YNOT and everyone wanted somewhere else to post.One of the rabble rousers was...you guessed it ;-)))

Netpondclicks was run by a moron (kaiser) ,I fired him.

Then I became a big click broker as the result of a bet ,the bet was wagered by...you guessed it ;-)))
Tell him how you became and "evil spammer" that has no morals!! :devil:
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Or at least the ones you can afford!! :P


I still only have the morals I can afford , but I have more morals lately. '-)))

I managed to acquire them from other industry people as times became tougher and they were offloading them , cheap.

:yowsa: :agrin:[/b][/quote]
Oh how the mighty have fallen!! :cryin:

If people start to see you as ***gasp*** a guy with morals I'll just be devastated!! <_<






:P

[Nickatilynx]

If people start to see you as ***gasp*** a guy with morals I'll just be devastated!!

People viewing me as moral?

"""Are you crazy? They'll never go for it, and then again they might. Little red devils! They love toys!"""

;-)))

[sarettah]

Ok, heres FM and amateurhardcore and they are begging you guys for traffic...

Where back in 96-97 were you getting your traffic...

Were you running paysites ? Banner farms ? What....

The model went from pay per click to pay per unique to sign up to revshare...

What was the best "pay per click", how much was the highest being paid ?

Same thing on uniques.

Thanx

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 25 2003, 08:29 PM
Ok, heres FM and amateurhardcore and they are begging you guys for traffic...

Where back in 96-97 were you getting your traffic...

Were you running paysites ? Banner farms ? What....

The model went from pay per click to pay per unique to sign up to revshare...

What was the best "pay per click", how much was the highest being paid ?

Same thing on uniques.

Thanx
Writing a paper? :) This thread has been enlightening ...heh

[sarettah]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Nov 25 2003, 11:30 PM
Writing a paper? :) This thread has been enlightening ...heh
shhhh.....Luke Ford is giving me a penney a word to update his story of x for him....


but don't tell anyone :yowsa:

[Hell Puppy]

I think I have a very low FastCash account number laying around here somewhere. Maybe I can sell it on Ebay.

Before those two programs, if there was money being made, it was the hard way. I know there were some dialup pay per minute shows where they would post ads on the web, but you had to revert to a direct dial into a Galacticomm setup to see the girl.

There may have been some "send me a check and i'll send you some pics" type ads out there as well. But the commerce didn't really get in place until 1996.

Other than BBSs there was another way to make big money online pre-1996. Up until AOL kicked their ass, Compuserve was king of the info services, they made tons of money charging outrageous hourly fee's. What most people didn't know is that the forums were operated by independent contractors, either companies or individuals. These people were paid a percentage of the time spent in their areas by the members.

Now Compuserve never allowed hardcore, but for the sake of "art" or "photography" there were several content areas where they'd let you post tasteful nudes. And the users would come and feast. Those were some big checks and regular as clockwork. But you had to be a major geek to understand how to program that compuserve backend. It is by far the most cryptic thing I've ever encountered in my life.

[slavdogg]

does anyone else remember Babenet per click program ??

I dont know how they counted clicks, but my first check from them for a small banner was 5 times what IEG paid me and this was around Jan 97.

One more important thing, all the major inovations came out of summer months. I think this might be the first year nothing new happened.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 25 2003, 10:08 PM
I still hear from Dean from time to time, he is doiung VERY well with gambling, which is legal in Brissie. He fulfilled Michael Corleone's dream and went 100% legit
;-)))

Serge, do you own any shares in his public companies ?

[Dravyk]

Hey Slav, "got 10 images you can give me in exchange for traffic" bring back any memories? :biglaugh:

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 26 2003, 03:03 AM
Hey Slav, "got 10 images you can give me in exchange for traffic" bring back any memories? :biglaugh:
HAHAHA yeah always glad to help :)

[Frank]

>> Ok, heres FM and amateurhardcore and they are begging you guys for traffic...

>> Where back in 96-97 were you getting your traffic...

COTAC? ; )

[Marc De]

If I'm not mistaken pay per sign up was pioneered in late '96 / early '97 by RJB Telcom before they were Max Cash. The first program I created was based similarly on a flat rate per customer acquisition.

Also if memory serves me correctly Dean really moved per click towards per sign up with the price per click depending on the conversion ratio (virtually a pay per sign up program).

Late '97 to late '98 was the big push to price increases... It MAY have taken to early '99 to get to the standard $39.99 Before it was $9.99 / $14.99 / $19.99 recurring monthlies only... Trials began with Free Trials in late '97

This is just a bit of what I recall back in the days.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Marc De@Nov 26 2003, 08:25 AM
If I'm not mistaken pay per sign up was pioneered in late '96 / early '97 by RJB Telcom before they were Max Cash. The first program I created was based similarly on a flat rate per customer acquisition.

Also if memory serves me correctly Dean really moved per click towards per sign up with the price per click depending on the conversion ratio (virtually a pay per sign up program).

Late '97 to late '98 was the big push to price increases... It MAY have taken to early '99 to get to the standard $39.99 Before it was $9.99 / $14.99 / $19.99 recurring monthlies only... Trials began with Free Trials in late '97

This is just a bit of what I recall back in the days.
your memory serves you right
;-))

[Dianna Vesta]

I started my BBS in South Florida as a hobby. I was already working usenet, had a merchant account and trading. Before I knew it we had 32 lines and was making money. When we installed a bridge to let people telnet in it was obvious the direction it would take. There was no way I was going to dump any more money into the BBS and fucking phone lines.

All this started to happen, the web around the time the 900 industry was encountering legal battles, new laws and major carriors stopped billing. Let's face it the web took complete control of the industry there for a while.

I was talking to a friend in publishing and he told me that he's noticed an increase in mag & dvd sales. I wondered if anyone esle has stats on this.

DV

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 25 2003, 11:05 PM
If people start to see you as ***gasp*** a guy with morals I'll just be devastated!!

People viewing me as moral?

"""Are you crazy? They'll never go for it, and then again they might. Little red devils! They love toys!"""

;-)))
:D

[Buff]

When Al Gore invented the internet as we know it in the mid 90s, he revolutionized the transfer of information. It's a shame he didn't become President. Think of all the technological advances we could have made in the last few years.

This is all George Bush's fault.



Last edited by Buff at Nov 26 2003, 09:41 AM

[sextoyking]

Buff,

Al Gore is a great man and a wise politican.

Aren't you so happy that you have a Democrat Gov. in LA. Now??

[BobaJob]

http://www.lastpage.com/ce.jpg

I remember the 2 5/8th per raw click, signed with Serge and JoeE used
to email the stats could be wrong ... But did Serge have a beard then and JoeE clean Shaven! .... which was which... can't remember!!!! :-))

http://www.lastpage.com/sc.jpg

[WebGemsHosting]

I started out working for SexKey back in 96,97

The net was a wild, wild west back then.. those on top were making boo koo bucks...

I did the TGP thing and posted in sites like AL4A, the HUN, etc.. and made lots of money, and didnt have to work hard..... traffic was insane back then!!!

Ahhhh, the good ol days.. LOL

:)

[gonzo]

This is a good Vesuvio Post.

[EmporerEJ]

I suddenly feel very old.....

1985-1994- Chain of Video stores called "The Movie Man" in Central PA with adult backrooms, comprising 70% of the revenues for the businesses.

1992-95 SEX2CStore Adult BBS- Online pix, and novelty sales.

94-98 SKnet.com- Online adult site, surprisingly successful for the complete lack of content and updates we did.

95-present- Virtual Sex Machine Research and devlopment, production, distribution, and generally, taking over the world.