and it's been said my avatar is offensive

[Vick]

[Labret] - I take serious offensive with your US flag burning avatar

Now you may be trying to express something or making some statement I don't get

While I respect your right to burn the US flag I also reserve the right to plant my foot in your ass for doing so

Many people have served and died for the country, freedoms and other things that flag represents.

Your using that avatar disrespects the past 4 generations of my family along with millions of others

Your using an avatar of the US flag being burned is lacking in respect, distasteful and ignorant

If you have problems with this great nation either work to solve them ..... or get out

and don't tell me you are leaving when ever .... go now....

In fact in you dislike America so much put your money where your mouth is and no longer accept US traffic and no longer take US dollars

[FATPad]

I don't understand about your avatar. :( I must be retarded.

It's a clown riding a little bike on some big bubbles with a starry background.

Why do people hate that so much?

[Forest]

its actually makeing me hungry

but for what im not sure

Turkey or sex

:rolleyes:

[Forest]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 08:52 AM
In fact in you dislike America so much put your money where your mouth is and no longer accept US traffic and no longer take US dollars
I agree

:moon:

[Vick]

FATPad - reload the page, you're pulling my old avatar from cache memory
The new one is a Turkey Leg (chewed) hanging out of a vagina

[FATPad]

Ahhh. Thanks.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by FATPad@Nov 23 2003, 09:00 AM
Ahhh. Thanks.
bon appetite!
;-))))

[Minte]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:58 AM
FATPad - reload the page, you're pulling my old avatar from cache memory
The new one is a Turkey Leg (chewed) hanging out of a vagina
I'll never look at thanksgiving dinner again,the same :(

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 23 2003, 06:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 23 2003, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Nov 23 2003, 09:00 AM
Ahhh. Thanks.
bon appetite!
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Looks good to me. ;)

But I always mix my food.

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:52 AM

In fact in you dislike America so much put your money where your mouth is and no longer accept US traffic and no longer take US dollars
This is the most idiotic reply to all america-hater threads there is. IF you dislike someone, you don't take their money? This fucking argument always makes me fucking angry. Of course, that's just my opinion.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 23 2003, 09:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 23 2003, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:52 AM

In fact in you dislike America so much put your money where your mouth is and no longer accept US traffic and no longer take US dollars
This is the most idiotic reply to all america-hater threads there is. IF you dislike someone, you don't take their money? This fucking argument always makes me fucking angry. Of course, that's just my opinion.[/b][/quote]
true...
I was taking Ron's money even during the worst pisses and vice versa
;-)))

"Capitalists will sell us the rope we gonna hang them on"

(--V.I Lenin)

;-)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 23 2003, 09:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 23 2003, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:52 AM

In fact in you dislike America so much put your money where your mouth is and no longer accept US traffic and no longer take US dollars
This is the most idiotic reply to all america-hater threads there is. IF you dislike someone, you don't take their money? This fucking argument always makes me fucking angry. Of course, that's just my opinion.[/b][/quote]
Actually the best thing you can do is take money from someone or something you don't like or agree with

But in this case I like to challenge to put money where the mouth is to prove the lack of courage in their convictions

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 07:27 AM
But in this case I like to challenge to put money where the mouth is to prove the lack of courage in their convictions
I fail to see your point.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:52 AM
[Labret] - I take serious offensive with your US flag burning avatar

Now you may be trying to express something or making some statement I don't get

While I respect your right to burn the US flag I also reserve the right to plant my foot in your ass for doing so

Many people have served and died for the country, freedoms and other things that flag represents.

Your using that avatar disrespects the past 4 generations of my family along with millions of others

Your using an avatar of the US flag being burned is lacking in respect, distasteful and ignorant

If you have problems with this great nation either work to solve them ..... or get out

and don't tell me you are leaving when ever .... go now....

In fact in you dislike America so much put your money where your mouth is and no longer accept US traffic and no longer take US dollars
LOL Vick, I respect the way you express yourself I really do, But that avatar, although not offensive, makes me wana yack!! LOL guess my stomach is too weak to consider using a turkey leg in quite the same way>

as for Labret, I used to get livid when i saw someone, esp an American who benefits greatly by the rights afforded to them by the mere fact that they are US Citizens, burning any symbol of our freedom. I thought about the blood that paid for our freedoms, I think of the tenacity of our ancestors, and what it took to build this country into what it is. I think of how little respect it takes to do something so offensive to the great Americans of the past.
I used to get livid, now I recognize it for what it is. It is only ignorance and immaturity (irregarless of age). I view it as offensive as someone saying the word nigger. The word itself is powerless. We assign it its power by the affect it has on us personally. So to is the act of burning a flag. It is done to offend. Allowing it to have that effect gives power to the person who wishes that effect. I give them the power to offend (or piss me right the fuck off) by buying into their bullshit. I add credibility to their argument by allowing passions to get the better of me.
As for me, let him keep the avatar, let him revel in its beauty to him. Time will heal his eyes and he will see what he has done, and then it will matter.


spaz

[Vick]

Very good point spaz - thanks for sharing that perspective

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 08:06 AM
Very good point spaz - thanks for sharing that perspective
4 generations of men who served Vick? I can completely understand and respect your perspective to.

I do apologize if that post kinda came off assholish, just my approach to people who want me pissed is to not be heh heh
I win :)


spaz

[Vick]

spaz - you didn't come off as assholish, not at all

My Great-grandfather served during WWI

My Grandfather served in WWII, he was on the first American ship into Tokyo Bay at the end of WWII, he is an artist and cabinetmaker.
He drew the postmark that was used for all mail coming from that ship. He still has envelopes with the postmark he drew that was printed on them

My Father served in the National Guard

My Brother was one of the last American soldiers at the Berlin Wall

I enjoy the liberties and privileges I have because of their and many others sacrifices

[Winetalk.com]

interestingly enough,
despite the fact that I am only here 24 years,
my family member gave life for America.
I told this story many times..
My grandfather's brother Michael left Russia to Palestine in 1911 because he didn't wanna serve in Russian Army.
In 1914 the WWI started and Ottoman Turks tried to get him into the Turkish Army.
He left his wife and son and went to America. He fell in love with USA and volunteered into US Army and died in Verden in 1918...
I have his round army tag with his serial number...

[spazlabz]

Vick & Serge, what can be said but 'WOW" honestly. When i read or hear stories of Americans who have served, or gave the Ultimate, its strange. Because as a Former serviceman myself, and as someone who was brought up to love our country. I always feel a special connection with them. A kinship, like they are a member of my family or something. Yes, I am proud to be associated with people like Vicks Grandfather and Serge's Great Uncle and thanks to you guys for sharing them with me. :okthumb:

spaz

[Fletch XXX]

why is burning a flag so offensive?

people get all like schoolgirl bitches when someone burns a piece of cloth.

funny.

[Fletch XXX]

http://www.usip.org/peacewatch/2002/8/images/flag.jpg

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1210035.jpg

http://www.atasite.org/screenings/images/2002sep020_flag_at_burning_well.jpg

http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/arab/demonstrations/flag_burning2.jpg



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[sarettah]

America is more than a country...
Much more than a flag....

America is an idea...........

And you cannot burn ideas. :blink:

[Winetalk.com]

you are right, there is nothing wrong with your friends..why don't you join them?


http://www.msnbc.com/news/1210035.jpg

[Vick]

It's what the flag stands for, it's not "a piece of cloth"

By disrespecting that symbol you're disrespecting all that has been done, all the sacrifices that have been made. That's wrong in every respect

As for your schoolgirl bitches remark - are you in the bottle now are waiting to open it?


All these punching bags come over from GFY
I humiliated grogan - it was embarrassingly easy but I lost the taste for it

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 09:03 AM


As for your schoolgirl bitches remark - are you in the bottle now are waiting to open it?

beat your chest some more.

*groooowls*

[KRL]

OK, its a turkey leg on your sig Vick. I've been wondering what that was exactly.

On the subject of flag burning. Isn't that the ultimate expression of a country's freedom? Though I'm not a fan of it, it is a symbolism of and in itself.

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 09:03 AM
It's what the flag stands for, it's not "a piece of cloth"

By disrespecting that symbol you're disrespecting all that has been done, all the sacrifices that have been made. That's wrong in every respect

Well, I don't know about the good old USA but in finland, when the flag gets dirty (touches the ground) it should be burned or buried. Having a fucking dirty, ripped apart flag hanging on your dirty backyard is DISRESPECT. When I was in internext in august, I saw SOO many usa flags that it's not even funny. That's disrespect as well.. showing the fucking flag down in every possible situation. Just my worthless euro 2 cents.

[TeenGodFather]

...maybe those arabs' US flag touched the ground.

[[Labret]]

shit, how did I miss this thread. I always saw the title and just assumed it was just about turkey neck in vagina.

In response... stop crying, bitch.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 01:01 PM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 03:57 PM
shit, how did I miss this thread. I always saw the title and always assumed it was just about turkey neck in vagina.
where is your intuition, sociologist?
;-))

[nlphoto]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 23 2003, 09:31 AM
interestingly enough,
despite the fact that I am only here 24 years,
my family member gave life for America.
I told this story many times..
My grandfather's brother Michael left Russia to Palestine in 1911 because he didn't wanna serve in Russian Army.
In 1914 the WWI started and Ottoman Turks tried to get him into the Turkish Army.
He left his wife and son and went to America. He fell in love with USA and volunteered into US Army and died in Verden in 1918...
I have his round army tag with his serial number...
Funny Serge, we have similar stories...

My great grandfather deserted the Russian army, when they were going
to fight the Sino-Japanese war, and eventually emigrated to America.
He refused to fight a country he'd never heard of... :salute:



Last edited by nlphoto at Nov 23 2003, 02:01 PM

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 23 2003, 12:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 23 2003, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 03:57 PM
shit, how did I miss this thread. I always saw the title and always assumed it was just about turkey neck in vagina.
where is your intuition, sociologist?
;-))[/b][/quote]

Like I see "and it's been said my avatar is offensive, or just plain nasty ;-)" and should assume it is about me?

I just thought it was more old people yammering.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 23 2003, 04:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 23 2003, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 23 2003, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 03:57 PM
shit, how did I miss this thread. I always saw the title and always assumed it was just about turkey neck in vagina.
where is your intuition, sociologist?
;-))

Like I see "and it's been said my avatar is offensive, or just plain nasty ;-)" and should assume it is about me?

I just thought it was more old people yammering.[/b][/quote]
32 is not exactly young, son...GFYers call your dinosour
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 23 2003, 01:07 PM

32 is not exactly young, son...GFYers call your dinosour
;-)))

Old = older than me. Most of you whiners are my parents age.

This place reminds me of YNOT at times. Sitting around and shaking your fists at the kids from the porch.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 23 2003, 04:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 23 2003, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 23 2003, 01:07 PM

32 is not exactly young, son...GFYers call your dinosour
;-)))

Old = older than me. Most of you whiners are my parents age.

This place reminds me of YNOT at times. Sitting around and shaking your fists at the kids from the porch.[/b][/quote]
oh no....the key doifference between YNOT and Oprano:
it's OK to bury those kids 6 feet under
;-)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 03:57 PM
shit, how did I miss this thread. I always saw the title and just assumed it was just about turkey neck in vagina.

In response... stop crying, bitch.

I'd say you're an idiot ...

.... but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere

You're afraid of real life so you study it. How amusing, sad and ironic

at 32 it would be hoped you had more sense. At 32 you have the sense and values of a 20 year old





Last edited by Vick at Nov 23 2003, 05:25 PM

[Vick]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 23 2003, 03:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 23 2003, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 23 2003, 09:03 AM
It's what the flag stands for, it's not "a piece of cloth"

By disrespecting that symbol you're disrespecting all that has been done, all the sacrifices that have been made. That's wrong in every respect

Well, I don't know about the good old USA but in finland, when the flag gets dirty (touches the ground) it should be burned or buried. Having a fucking dirty, ripped apart flag hanging on your dirty backyard is DISRESPECT. When I was in internext in august, I saw SOO many usa flags that it's not even funny. That's disrespect as well.. showing the fucking flag down in every possible situation. Just my worthless euro 2 cents.[/b][/quote]
Same here in the USA about when a flag is dirty, has toughed the ground or is worn (or old) and I agree having a dirty or ripped flag flying in your yard is disrespectful

In the USA we are showing our unity and patriotism especially after the 9/11 tragedy

That's why you saw so many flags

But you still have to take in account burning the USA flag in protest is wrong and disrespectful
and while I support the right to do so I also reserve the right to plant a foot in the ass of anyone doing so

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 02:24 PM


I'd say you're an idiot ...

.... but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere

You're afraid of real life so you study it. How amusing, sad and ironic

at 32 it would be hoped you had more sense. At 32 you have the sense and values of a 20 year old

Please enlighten me. What sense should I have by this age?

I study "life"? I study culture and society on a micro and macro level, art history, and human evolution. I fear something I will eventually receive a phd in? Instead of just being a passive sheap, I choose to understand why people "do the things they do". Its about fear, uh huh.

Seriously, is this is the level of debate I can expect from you?



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 02:36 PM

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 05:34 PM
Please enlighten me. What sense should I have by this age?

You know you're lost so you ask for help

But you're not worthy nor have the intellect to understand. Nor will I waste my valuable time trying to educate, enlighten and stimulate your little mind

Your words and actions show where your intellect is, that of a 20 year old.
You're a lifelong student afraid of real life (not that all students are afraid of real life, learning is a lifelong passion)

Adiós, don't wait for May to leave the USA

[Nickatilynx]

I fear something I will eventually receive a phd in?

What will your thesis be on?

You seem to study much and yet have learned nothing.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 02:40 PM

You know you're lost so you ask for help

But you're not worthy nor have the intellect to understand. Nor will I waste my valuable time trying to educate, enlighten and stimulate your little mind

Your words and actions show where your intellect is, that of a 20 year old.
You're a lifelong student afraid of real life (not that all students are afraid of real life, learning is a lifelong passion)

Adiós, don't wait for May to leave the USA

Real life uh? What might that be? Slow financial and emotional suicide with a wife and kids? A mountain of credit card debt, a shitty job, residing in a cultural and intellectual vacuum with the likes of you?

No thanks, I learn from others mistakes. If I ever end up like that I will consider my life a failure. I do not expect you to understand my way of life. I would love to see you walk a day in my shoes. I spend day in and day out being challenged by some of the best and brightest in their respective fields, and your barely literate ass is going to tell me what life is about and what values I should possess? Do not pretend you have any idea what a life in academia requires.

I live a dream life. I have met very few people who would not kill to be in my position. Young, rich, and highly educated... with no wife and kids dragging me down.

Only a dipshit like you would try and fault a person for getting an education. I suppose I should take my smut money and run around doing blow and banging strippers while I pretend to be a patriot?

You are so severely outclassed it is not even funny.

[Vick]

I will echo Nick's sentiments

"You seem to study much and yet have learned nothing."


While you must beat on your chest and proclaim your few interests, I have no need to do the same

And that speaks volumes about us both

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 23 2003, 02:49 PM

What will your thesis be on?

You seem to study much and yet have learned nothing.

Learned nothing?

Has anyone asked me anything regarding sociology or anthropology that I have missed?

Oh I get it... because I dont think like you two fucking idiots I must not have learned anything? And who exactly am I dealing with here?

Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 03:04 PM
I will echo Nick's sentiments

"You seem to study much and yet have learned nothing."


While you must beat on your chest and proclaim your few interests, I have no need to do the same

And that speaks volumes about us both
You started this thread about me slapdick. You point your finger and make your accusations. Back them up with something more than your uneducated opinion.

If you are not willing to, then what is the point of even starting a thread? I thought you were going to abuse me ala Grogan. Lets have it, I am waiting. So far I am very disappointed.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 03:09 PM

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 06:05 PM
Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?
Just that question shows your limited intellect

I've had enough for now, .....

if other broader, deeper, brighter and wiser minds choose to bat you around like a cat does a mouse perhaps I'll read it later for amusement

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 23 2003, 03:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 23 2003, 03:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 06:05 PM
Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?

I've had enough for now, .....

[/b][/quote]

oh well, so much for breaking your foot off in my ass.

I am off to buy some donuts and laugh while I think about you. Toodles fruitcake.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 02:58 PM


Real life uh? What might that be? Slow financial and emotional suicide with a wife and kids?



I live a dream life. I have met very few people who would not kill to be in my position. Young, rich, and highly educated... with no wife and kids dragging me down.


wow.................that sentiment............difficult to adress.
The best descision I ever made was to be 'dragged down' by my wife and my kids. I happen to think that Einstein, Newton, Sagan & Hawking are the brightest minds in a field I laughingly have a lot of interest in. (laughable because intellectually I am not fit to polish their shoes). They have inspired me throughout my life. Caused me to comprehend things that blow my mind whenever I pause to think of them. Quantum Foam??? Singularities??? Amazing. I am in awe
yet I wouldnt trade an hour with my family for a lifetime with any of those great men (forget that they were/are socially challenged egotists, Brilliant, but assholes none the less. Well the noteable exception of Sagan, he was a nice guy but I digress
Family breeds a full happiness and contentment that I fear you wont experience, or will too late, when you too old to have fun with your son rough housing around, or beating the shit out of your daughters date hah hah Just kidding there.

spaz

[Nickatilynx]

Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?

I cannot believe you are as well educated as you claim , as you have attacked a perceived foe without any knowledge of said foe on the level you attack.

A plan that is probably moronic , certainly unwise and revealing of a flawed thought process rarely found in the higher levels of Educational Institutions.

For all you know I may be the overly educated son of a diplomat (free education I have heard is a perk of the job) who not only travelled extensively but may have attended an elite British School and passed high school at 15 ,I may have been offered a full scholarship at one of the worlds outstanding Universities at 16.

I may also be a high school drop out scraping a bear living submiting to tgps .

The fact is , you have no idea which , if either , is true.

So fuck off. :-)))

I spend day in and day out being challenged by some of the best and brightest in their respective fields,

PRECISELY the people you find , here , on Oprano.

And I suspect the ones you meet personally share our contempt for you ,your politics and your opinion.

now , fearing repetition of myself , combine sex and travel , and fuck off!

[nlphoto]

BTW Spaz, how goes the reading with Richard ?? Not surprising
you have an interest that field, since "One" deals with various
aspects of quantum physics... ;-)))



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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 23 2003, 03:31 PM
Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?



For all you know I may be the overly educated son of a diplomat (free education I have heard is a perk of the job) who not only travelled extensively but may have attended an elite British School and passed high school at 15 ,I may have been offered a full scholarship at one of the worlds outstanding Universities at 16.

I may also be a high school drop out scraping a bear living submiting to tgps .

The fact is , you have no idea which , if either , is true.

So fuck off. :-)))

I spend day in and day out being challenged by some of the best and brightest in their respective fields,

PRECISELY the people you find , here , on Oprano.

And I suspect the ones you meet personally share our contempt for you ,your politics and your opinion.

now , fearing repetition of myself , combine sex and travel , and fuck off!

The fact still remains the both of you have claimed I have "learned nothing" without giving any argument as to what I am supposed to have learned. Leading me to believe that you cannot. And why? Academia is foreign to you. You have zero idea about my fields and what I am supposed to have gleened from them. You bore me.


I cannot believe you are as well educated as you claim , as you have attacked a perceived foe without any knowledge of said foe on the level you attack.

A plan that is probably moronic , certainly unwise and revealing of a flawed thought process rarely found in the higher levels of Educational Institutions.


Is that some kind of joke? No knowledge of perceived foe? As if either of you have presented any challenge thus far? Yeah, it has been hard to assume you are both idiots.


PRECISELY the people you find , here , on Oprano.


What?

I suppose if I wanted to learn best how to spam and scam surfers then I am in the right place.

Any other sort of debate has done nothing but left me unsatisfied.

If you guys are considered the best and brightest amongst the pornographers of Oprano... christ.



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[Diamond Jim]

I feel an Auto-Reply bot coming on....

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Nov 23 2003, 03:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Nov 23 2003, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 02:58 PM


Real life uh? What might that be? Slow financial and emotional suicide with a wife and kids?



I live a dream life. I have met very few people who would not kill to be in my position. Young, rich, and highly educated... with no wife and kids dragging me down.


wow.................that sentiment............difficult to adress.
The best descision I ever made was to be 'dragged down' by my wife and my kids. I happen to think that Einstein, Newton, Sagan & Hawking are the brightest minds in a field I laughingly have a lot of interest in. (laughable because intellectually I am not fit to polish their shoes). They have inspired me throughout my life. Caused me to comprehend things that blow my mind whenever I pause to think of them. Quantum Foam??? Singularities??? Amazing. I am in awe
yet I wouldnt trade an hour with my family for a lifetime with any of those great men (forget that they were/are socially challenged egotists, Brilliant, but assholes none the less. Well the noteable exception of Sagan, he was a nice guy but I digress
Family breeds a full happiness and contentment that I fear you wont experience, or will too late, when you too old to have fun with your son rough housing around, or beating the shit out of your daughters date hah hah Just kidding there.

spaz[/b][/quote]

Life is far too short to live according to the whims and will of another.

Children are suicide. People only make the best of a bad situation. NOBODY wants children, you get stuck with them. Like lukemia.

Hmmm... entertaining an ungrateful snot nosed money sucking sack of screaming and crying guts, or traveling the world and going to school. Yeah, tough choice.

The last thing I want is an American child. Fuck, I would rather have cancer.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 03:47 PM

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 23 2003, 03:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 23 2003, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Nov 23 2003, 03:31 PM
Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?



For all you know I may be the overly educated son of a diplomat (free education I have heard is a perk of the job) who not only travelled extensively but may have attended an elite British School and passed high school at 15 ,I may have been offered a full scholarship at one of the worlds outstanding Universities at 16.

I may also be a high school drop out scraping a bear living submiting to tgps .

The fact is , you have no idea which , if either , is true.

So fuck off. :-)))

I spend day in and day out being challenged by some of the best and brightest in their respective fields,

PRECISELY the people you find , here , on Oprano.

And I suspect the ones you meet personally share our contempt for you ,your politics and your opinion.

now , fearing repetition of myself , combine sex and travel , and fuck off!

The fact still remains the both of you have claimed I have "learned nothing" without giving any argument as to what I am supposed to have learned. Leading me to believe that you cannot. And why? Academia is foreign to you. You have zero idea about my fields and what I am supposed to have gleened from them. You bore me.


I cannot believe you are as well educated as you claim , as you have attacked a perceived foe without any knowledge of said foe on the level you attack.

A plan that is probably moronic , certainly unwise and revealing of a flawed thought process rarely found in the higher levels of Educational Institutions.


Is that some kind of joke? No knowledge of perceived foe? As if either of you have presented any challenge thus far? Yeah, it has been hard to assume you are both idiots.


PRECISELY the people you find , here , on Oprano.


What?

I suppose if I wanted to learn best how to spam and scam surfers then I am in the right place.

Any other sort of debate has done nothing but left me unsatisfied.

If you guys are considered the best and brightest amongst the pornographers of Oprano... christ.[/b][/quote]


You don't like Oprano , the people in it , nor the level of debate.

So why do you continue to read it and post on it ?

You have proved once again by these continuing actions that your thought process is flawed.

"Fuck Off ", is the only level of debate you have earned.

So ...fuck off

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 23 2003, 03:48 PM



You don't like Oprano , the people in it , nor the level of debate.

So why do you continue to read it and post on it ?

You have proved once again by these continuing actions that your thought process is flawed.

"Fuck Off ", is the only level of debate you have earned.

So ...fuck off

Who said I dont like the people in it? Have you seen me attacking anyone in Oprano prior to this thread aside from Buff? Vicky wanted a piece so he got a piece.

I am here because Serge said he wouldnt ban me for abusing idiots. And that is a hobby of sorts for me.

Again, what am I supposed to have learned?



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 03:52 PM

[cj]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 23 2003, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 23 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Nov 23 2003, 02:49 PM

What will your thesis be on?

You seem to study much and yet have learned nothing.

Learned nothing?

Has anyone asked me anything regarding sociology or anthropology that I have missed?

Oh I get it... because I dont think like you two fucking idiots I must not have learned anything? And who exactly am I dealing with here?

Did either of you two receive any education outside of highschool?[/b][/quote]
My step-Aunt is an anthropologist - she has studied a lot - like you claim to have. She has had incredible jobs in places around the world, incredibly intelligent lady who can talk for house about her career ... she's studied in a lot of areas around anthropology and is considered a leader amongst her peers ...

Problem is, she's an obese 36 year old woman who lives at home with her mother - nobody from the real world gives a shit what she has to say because she is SO BORING ... She can't hold a conversation about anything other than her area of expertise & her entire family thinks she's a waste of space ... She doesn't know how to live on her own, can't cook, clean, hold a conversation, or do any of the things the rest of us do to relate to one another in society.

I can definately see that you would be greatly intelligent in your chosen field by the lack of intelligence in the rest of your personality ... like my mum says -

ALL BRAINS AND NO COMMON SENSE!!!!

I hope your life is happy & full labret & that we are just pieces in your game of chess - because otherwise, you are one fucked up MORON!! You make confucy look sane!

nice to have you here! :bjump:



Last edited by cj at Nov 23 2003, 06:55 PM

[[Labret]]

You can find the same thing at any computer science or art department, whats your fucking point? So your aunt is a loser and happens to be an anthropologist. I am amazed she can have all that prestige around the world being such an inept loser. She have a name? If she is so huge in her field, I probably know who she is.

My family has no idea what I am talking about when I talk about conversion ratios and uniques. Shop talk is shop talk.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 03:57 PM

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by nlphoto@Nov 23 2003, 03:35 PM
BTW Spaz, how goes the reading with Richard ?? Not surprising
you have an nterest that field, since "One" deals with various
aspects of quantum physics... ;-)))
Umm, yeah about that...............err,
I forgot the names of the books LOL
no wait wait! seriously, I have an excuse
no really, its her somewhere
Oh yeah!
Been to busy packing boxes, pulling hair out, kicking the dog (KIDDING!! Geez! Dang PETA FREAKS! LOL) slapping the kids (Again! joking people, lighten up! Pish-shaw! already)
But seriously folks, tip the waitress's they work for tips.
The move is getting so close now that I have to steal time to post, but I have been enjoying my Sunday immeans...........imens............immans......... A LOT posting and reading here.
Once I get settled down in sunny Florida I am gonna do a search on Amazon and see if I can buy all three in Hardcover, cannot wait to get to snuggle up with those.
Thanks for reminding me :)

spaz

[Nickatilynx]

I am here because Serge said he wouldnt ban me for abusing idiots. And that is a hobby of sorts for me.

Again, what am I supposed to have learned?

Lesson 1.)

If you are playing poker...........

And you can't figure out who the "mark" is.

ITS YOU!!!!!!

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 23 2003, 03:56 PM
I am here because Serge said he wouldnt ban me for abusing idiots. And that is a hobby of sorts for me.

Again, what am I supposed to have learned?

Lesson 1.)

If you are playing poker...........

And you can't figure out who the "mark" is.

ITS YOU!!!!!!
Oh christ, I call this the "AMP method".

Let me guess, I am just entertainment for you? Dancing for you blah blah blah.

Less Krispy Kreme, more books.

[cj]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 06:54 PM
You can find the same thing at any computer science or art department, whats your fucking point? So your aunt is a loser and happens to be an anthropologist. I am amazed she can have all that prestige around the world being such an inept loser. She have a name? If she is so huge in her field, I probably know who she is.

My family has no idea what I am talking about when I talk about conversion ratios and uniques. Shop talk is shop talk.
Its not whether others understand you, its whether you have the social skills to see that they couldn't care less ...

Not sure what your point has to do with the price of eggs in china but ... that's what we are here to find out!

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 23 2003, 03:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 23 2003, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Nov 23 2003, 03:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 02:58 PM


Real life uh? What might that be? Slow financial and emotional suicide with a wife and kids?



I live a dream life. I have met very few people who would not kill to be in my position. Young, rich, and highly educated... with no wife and kids dragging me down.


wow.................that sentiment............difficult to adress.
The best descision I ever made was to be 'dragged down' by my wife and my kids. I happen to think that Einstein, Newton, Sagan & Hawking are the brightest minds in a field I laughingly have a lot of interest in. (laughable because intellectually I am not fit to polish their shoes). They have inspired me throughout my life. Caused me to comprehend things that blow my mind whenever I pause to think of them. Quantum Foam??? Singularities??? Amazing. I am in awe
yet I wouldnt trade an hour with my family for a lifetime with any of those great men (forget that they were/are socially challenged egotists, Brilliant, but assholes none the less. Well the noteable exception of Sagan, he was a nice guy but I digress
Family breeds a full happiness and contentment that I fear you wont experience, or will too late, when you too old to have fun with your son rough housing around, or beating the shit out of your daughters date hah hah Just kidding there.

spaz

Life is far too short to live according to the whims and will of another.

Children are suicide. People only make the best of a bad situation. NOBODY wants children, you get stuck with them. Like lukemia.

Hmmm... entertaining an ungrateful snot nosed money sucking sack of screaming and crying guts, or traveling the world and going to school. Yeah, tough choice.

The last thing I want is an American child. Fuck, I would rather have cancer.[/b][/quote]
wow.............your serious. Ok, to each his own bro but I have to tell you i dont make the best of a bad situation with my kids. Not at all. My kids keep me centered and at least trying to be mature, its tough for me, I am quick to say FUCK OFF/YOU to people who piss me off. Setting an example for them has made me a better man. I wont go into all the mushy shit I feel every time I listen to my son spell a new word, or listen to the plans my oldest has to become a meteorologist (where the fuck did that come from?? I mean shit, the weather?) All I can say is in my opinion it is a mightily twisted view to compare children to a cancer.
Oh, and for the record, when I was told by my wife that I was going to be a father for the first time, I was overjoyed. When he was born.............
Bro, you cant know what thats like
A bad situation? I thank God for it.

spaz

[Nickatilynx]

You aren't entertaining.

The only possible entertainment I hope you may give us all , is that eventually you'll be so far up your own ass , you'll dissappear.

[spazlabz]

One more thing Labret
Thank You
you have reminded how much I love and cherish my family. And I cannot be reminded of that too often, and I have been distracted lately with a move that coming up.

spaz

[Nickatilynx]

spaz,

:okthumb:

to everything you have said in this thread , even kicking the dog ;-)))



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Nov 23 2003, 04:07 PM

[spazlabz]

Thanks Nick, I posted a poll for us big guy LOL

spaz

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Nov 23 2003, 07:06 PM
One more thing Labret
Thank You
you have reminded how much I love and cherish my family. And I cannot be reminded of that too often, and I have been distracted lately with a move that coming up.

spaz
Why do people even respond to inane theories posited from an ivory tower?

[cj]

on a side note ....

serge .... did you replace the word d u d e with

'i am a MORON,!!!!'
(typo and all)

??!?!?!

LMAO

[nlphoto]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Nov 23 2003, 04:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Nov 23 2003, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--nlphoto@Nov 23 2003, 03:35 PM
BTW Spaz, how goes the reading with Richard ?? Not surprising
you have an nterest that field, since "One" deals with various
aspects of quantum physics... ;-)))
Umm, yeah about that...............err,
I forgot the names of the books LOL
no wait wait! seriously, I have an excuse
no really, its her somewhere
Oh yeah!
Been to busy packing boxes, pulling hair out, kicking the dog (KIDDING!! Geez! Dang PETA FREAKS! LOL) slapping the kids (Again! joking people, lighten up! Pish-shaw! already)
But seriously folks, tip the waitress's they work for tips.
The move is getting so close now that I have to steal time to post, but I have been enjoying my Sunday immeans...........imens............immans......... A LOT posting and reading here.
Once I get settled down in sunny Florida I am gonna do a search on Amazon and see if I can buy all three in Hardcover, cannot wait to get to snuggle up with those.
Thanks for reminding me :)

spaz[/b][/quote]

No prob Spaz... gonna be moving soon myself...

Kicking the dog ? how could you ? you need to direct your
aggression against an animal that deserves it... like a cat... :yowsa:

BTW, ask your eldest... if a psychologist studies psychos,
why doesn't a meteorologist study meteors ??? :rolleyes:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by cj@Nov 23 2003, 06:52 PM
ALL BRAINS AND NO COMMON SENSE!!!!

I hope your life is happy & full labret & that we are just pieces in your game of chess - because otherwise, you are one fucked up MORON!! You make confucy look sane!


Damn...that was brutal.
I bow to the coldness of that remark. :wnw:

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by nlphoto+Nov 23 2003, 04:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nlphoto @ Nov 23 2003, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Nov 23 2003, 04:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--nlphoto@Nov 23 2003, 03:35 PM
BTW Spaz, how goes the reading with Richard ?? Not surprising
you have an nterest that field, since "One" deals with various
aspects of quantum physics... ;-)))
Umm, yeah about that...............err,
I forgot the names of the books LOL
no wait wait! seriously, I have an excuse
no really, its her somewhere
Oh yeah!
Been to busy packing boxes, pulling hair out, kicking the dog (KIDDING!! Geez! Dang PETA FREAKS! LOL) slapping the kids (Again! joking people, lighten up! Pish-shaw! already)
But seriously folks, tip the waitress's they work for tips.
The move is getting so close now that I have to steal time to post, but I have been enjoying my Sunday immeans...........imens............immans......... A LOT posting and reading here.
Once I get settled down in sunny Florida I am gonna do a search on Amazon and see if I can buy all three in Hardcover, cannot wait to get to snuggle up with those.
Thanks for reminding me :)

spaz

No prob Spaz... gonna be moving soon myself...

Kicking the dog ? how could you ? you need to direct your
aggression against an animal that deserves it... like a cat... :yowsa:

BTW, ask your eldest... if a psychologist studies psychos,
why doesn't a meteorologist study meteors ??? :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
LOL i got this
:blink:
for like 5 minutes!! Thats too deep a question to ask an 14 year old brain, bet it keeps him up tonight LOL

spaz



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[Vick]

I'm back ..... :D

Yes [Labret] I did start this thread and explained fully in my first post why I take offensive to your current avatar. I stand by and fully believe my statement (without even getting into how you can live the life you choose from the sacrifice other made and how ungrateful it is of you to display a burning flag, protest and change are good, disrespect is not).


However throughout this post you have revealed some rather unflattering things about yourself

If you think education (as evidenced by your any education beyond high school remark) only takes place in classrooms you are thoroughly missing out

Every minute of every day can be or is a learning experience and that I have to tell you that says volumes about your lack of intellect

Here's a prime example of where you have the intellect of a 20 year old
People only make the best of a bad situation. NOBODY wants children or even worse, a sadly demented person

Or maybe you live in or only have experienced situations where children were unwanted.
Did your parents want you?
Or did your parents feel like you were a cancer, do they treat you like you are a cancer?
That could explain your twisted, sad perspective

In healthy, normal, happy families children are planned. The joy they bring to our lives is immeasurable. The things we learn and share are part of life's journey and give joy to living

I didn't say I would break my foot off in your ass, I stated while I support anyone's right to burn the US flag I reserve the right to plant my foot in anyone's ass doing so

You're a sad, sad little man. You remind me of the line in the movie Hook "You need a Mommy"

Yes I am being a little harsh on you but you need to broaden your horizons and need a serious reality check


and what Nick said about being the mark ........



Last edited by Vick at Nov 23 2003, 07:48 PM

[TeenGodFather]

What a fucking bizarre thread.
I like labret.

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 04:44 PM
Yes I am being a little harsh on you but you need to broaden your horizons and need a serious reality check

I wonder what you might be meaning with this, I'm quite sure Labret's horizons are pretty broad. I also want to know why he needs a reality check, and on what? He might be a bigot and an asshole, but he does have reasoning behind his posts unlike many others.

[quiet]

Haha, gotta love Labret.

[LadyMischief]

Yeah well Labret oohed and ahhed over pictures of my kids, hugged me, and even got silly with me (and a big purple dildo.... of course there were hot chicks lezing out in the room too, but hey). No matter what he says on any board forever, he's still a big cuddly snuggly bear to me.

[Vick]

TGF - look at the statements about children being like cancer

and about education

Labret is a very sad demented person, TGF I can respect your sticking up for someone you like but from where I sit ....

He's very ignorant and not intelligent

[Vick]

well maybe it's just his board personality (or lack thereof)

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:23 PM
TGF - look at the statements about children being like cancer

and about education

Labret is a very sad demented person, TGF I can respect your sticking up for someone you like but from where I sit ....

He's very ignorant and not intelligent
I have never talked to him, and don't know the guy.
But it's his right to say that kids are cancer, I wouldn't want a screaming little shitfactory in my room now either. Maybe some day but not now, having one now would fucking ruin my life, so I can relate.

education, why is he sad and demented? He doesn't share your view on USA? Maybe YOU should broaden your horizons? :)

I'm not gonna kiss his ass anymore without financial gain, but I just thought I'd open up.. http://www.porngreen.biz/suomi.gif

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:23 PM
TGF - look at the statements about children being like cancer

and about education

Labret is a very sad demented person, TGF I can respect your sticking up for someone you like but from where I sit ....

He's very ignorant and not intelligent
I know Labret never pretend to be anything other than who he is, an EXTREMELY opinionated person. He's one of those guys you either love or hate. There aren't really shades of gray in there.

He usually has something worth reading though, even if you don't agree. Just because someone has a different perspective on things doesn't neccessarily mean they are wrong. It just means they are different.

[Vick]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 23 2003, 08:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 23 2003, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:23 PM
TGF - look at the statements about children being like cancer

and about education

Labret is a very sad demented person, TGF I can respect your sticking up for someone you like but from where I sit ....

He's very ignorant and not intelligent
I have never talked to him, and don't know the guy.
But it's his right to say that kids are cancer, I wouldn't want a screaming little shitfactory in my room now either. Maybe some day but not now, having one now would fucking ruin my life, so I can relate.

education, why is he sad and demented? He doesn't share your view on USA? Maybe YOU should broaden your horizons? :)

I'm not gonna kiss his ass anymore without financial gain, but I just thought I'd open up.. http://www.porngreen.biz/suomi.gif[/b][/quote]
Different views on the USA is fine, it's part of what keeps the USA growing
It's easy to burn a flag, what's hard is to work for the changes you feel are right or necessary

Why he is sad and demented are the statements about children being like cancer and the delusional thinking that no children are planned

Also he doesn't get that education is not only found in the classroom (as evidenced by his statement, and yes I have formal education beyond high school)

As for my horizons, I'm good with then but always like to be introduced to new ideas and concepts. We all always have room for growth

and to Quote Forest Gump "That's all I got to say about that"

[Vick]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Nov 23 2003, 08:29 PM
Just because someone has a different perspective on things doesn't neccessarily mean they are wrong. It just means they are different.
LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 23 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 23 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@Nov 23 2003, 08:29 PM
Just because someone has a different perspective on things doesn't neccessarily mean they are wrong. It just means they are different.
LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)[/b][/quote]
Thinking a wife and kids are a drag is not deplorable though.

Beating your wife is deplorable. Having kids you don't pay attention to is deplorable.

Not wanting to have either is not.

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Nov 23 2003, 05:05 PM
What a fucking bizarre thread.
I like labret.
they had a thread on gfy a while back asking which threads you'd read just because of who started it. labret made my short list.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by FATPad@Nov 23 2003, 08:40 PM
Thinking a wife and kids are a drag is not deplorable though.

Beating your wife is deplorable. Having kids you don't pay attention to is deplorable.

Not wanting to have either is not.
I'm sure Vick's problem is not with the opinions themselves, but rather opinons that are laughable and sad at the same time, yet stated as fact, not opinion.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Nov 23 2003, 08:51 PM
they had a thread on gfy a while back asking which threads you'd read just because of who started it. labret made my short list.
Indeed. Entertainment takes many forms...

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 23 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 23 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@Nov 23 2003, 08:29 PM
Just because someone has a different perspective on things doesn't neccessarily mean they are wrong. It just means they are different.
LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)[/b][/quote]
But to those people, it may not be wrong. Of course, by societal standards it isn't. He is still entitled to his opinion though. It's how he acts on them that defines appropriateness.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by FATPad+Nov 23 2003, 05:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Nov 23 2003, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Vick@Nov 23 2003, 05:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@Nov 23 2003, 08:29 PM
Just because someone has a different perspective on things doesn't neccessarily mean they are wrong. It just means they are different.
LadyMischief - With all due respect I strongly disagree

By your logic someone with the perspective that mass murder is good and should be committed is just different and not wrong
(I could have used a lot of different examples so please don't get hung up on the mass murder thing - fill in any deplorable act)
Thinking a wife and kids are a drag is not deplorable though.

Beating your wife is deplorable. Having kids you don't pay attention to is deplorable.

Not wanting to have either is not.[/b][/quote]
I actually have more respect for someone who says they do not want children because they are not willing or fitted to being a parent than those who have kids only to realize that this is the case after the fact.

[Torone]

Obviously, he has never become aquainted with Colin... :moon:

[Vick]

Ok this is going to start getting a little deep (in more ways than one)


LadyMischief - by your definition, is it then ok if I come to your home and rob you of everything you have, all that you value if I don't think that's wrong?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=a...appropriateness (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=appropriateness) - If I think it's appropriate and not wrong then it's ok?

Basically you're saying there is no right and wrong


It wasn't a matter of saying one didn't want children, it is equating children with having leukemia along with other statements


Thanks Diamond Jim, you succinctly explained my position

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 06:16 PM
Ok this is going to start getting a little deep (in more ways than one)


LadyMischief - by your definition, is it then ok if I come to your home and rob you of everything you have, all that you value if I don't think that's wrong?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=a...appropriateness (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=appropriateness) - If I think it's appropriate and not wrong then it's ok?

Basically you're saying there is no right and wrong


It wasn't a matter of saying one didn't want children, it is equating children with having leukemia along with other statements


Thanks Diamond Jim, you succinctly explained my position
I said holding an opinion is not wrong.. Apparently you missed the part where I said it's what you DO about it that makes all the difference? I don't have to agree with what people think, but what they do is the real defining factor, isn't it? :)

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 06:16 PM
Ok this is going to start getting a little deep (in more ways than one)


LadyMischief - by your definition, is it then ok if I come to your home and rob you of everything you have, all that you value if I don't think that's wrong?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=a...appropriateness (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=appropriateness) - If I think it's appropriate and not wrong then it's ok?

Basically you're saying there is no right and wrong


It wasn't a matter of saying one didn't want children, it is equating children with having leukemia along with other statements


Thanks Diamond Jim, you succinctly explained my position
And I should mention, maybe it is his opinion that children are equivalent to having a serious disease. That's his RIGHT to hold that opinion, and even to share it, just as it is our right to disagree with it. If he went around killing children, THAT would be another matter altogether, see what I mean?

[Diamond Jim]

Reading comprehension classes are in order...

[PornoDoggy]

[labert] usually has something worth reading though, even if you don't agree. Just because someone has a different perspective on things doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong. It just means they are different.

First of all, there must be sufficient wheat IN the chaff to make separating it worthwhile. Upon occasion I have seen some signs of intelligent life in his posts. However, most are simply sanctimious "hipper than thou" (or smarter than thou, or more educated that thou, or I am more "all that" than thou). It didn't take long reading his drivel on GFY to learn that it just wasn't worth it. He, like a couple of others, has shown me nothing different over here.

As far as the whole "different perspective on things" goes, I agree with that up to a point. However, it doesn't apply here. He didn't say "I don't want a wife and kids because I wouldn't treat them right." He described children as a cancer that no one really wants. Now, you can sugar coat that all you want, but operating under the non-academic (but time tested) "it looks like shit and it smells like shit" method, I, for one, need no greater empirical proof that it is, in fact, fecal matter.

Regarding the issue that started the thread off - I don't care much to see ANY flag (except those that have taken up arms against the United States and its constitution) burned. Unlike Vick, I don't think has avatar is an attempt to make any kind of statement whatsoever. I think it’s a blatant attempt to annoy people, pure and simple - kind of a "spitball on the blackboard while the teacher is writing on it" action.

The simple fact of the matter is, for all his contempt for the "sheep" (regular folks) that he expresses, on the boards he plays such a stereotypical example of the elitist embittered academic that he probably couldn't get a role in a sitcom on the Fox network.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 05:58 PM
Real life uh? What might that be? Slow financial and emotional suicide with a wife and kids? A mountain of credit card debt, a shitty job, residing in a cultural and intellectual vacuum with the likes of you?
Labret you're right in a way, but you're also very far-off from the truth.
It *can* be what you've said above. And some days it feels like it. But everything is a choice and no one has to settle for a mediocre job or saddle themselves with credit card debt or even live in a smothering suburban hellhole.

The family thing, though - really, what is the use of everything you have when you've no one to share it with? No one to pass on your knowledge to?

I've been there. Where you are, and where I am. The hellhole that you think family life is. I've been single, planning on pretty much being a student for the rest of my life. Alone and disdainful.

I've been stuck in a hellhole with a person who thought the best he could do was to get a supervisory position at the dusty box he worked at. We riddled ourselves with debt that it took me 10 years to get rid of.

And now I'm here - no debt whatsoever. My home is paid for. My minivan is paid for. The only bills I have are for utilities and food. Two kids and another on the way. A husband who is devoted to me, and I to him - even though there are times when we could kill each other. :)

And I tell you with all honesty and the experience of what you are now... this is better. So much better. One day you'll wake up and you'll realize that. All of the money in the world, all of the knowledge in the world... it's nothing when you're alone and lonely.

Maybe when you leave and you're not so focused on finishing your degree it will just hit you. Unexpected and so strong it will totally rip you off of your feet.
I just hope that when it does, you'll embrace it - and her. For your own sake.

No one wants to be old and alone, no matter how strong they think they are.

[nickdark]

Where does he compare children to cancer?

He expresses a preference..and makes no comparison.

As TGD says..he may be an asshole but hes expressing an opinion ( with cold eloquence ) too..whats the problem?

In any case, its a wind up ...and it worked. :popcorn:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by nickdark@Nov 23 2003, 10:57 PM
Where does he compare children to cancer?

He expresses a preference..and makes no comparison.

As TGD says..he may be an asshole but hes expressing an opinion ( with cold eloquence ) too..whats the problem?

In any case, its a wind up ...and it worked. :popcorn:
"Children are suicide. People only make the best of a bad situation. NOBODY wants children, you get stuck with them. Like lukemia."

[nickdark]

Thank you Peaches..my mistake ! :unsure:

I am suffering from post Rugby World Cup elation.


Still, he is entitled to his opinion and is far from uneducated...and Ive seen far more tasteless comments and avatars here that did not attract this much attention.

It gets a bit boring when then the regular posters spout the same sanctimonious crap , its a bit like the amp "owned" bollocks on GFY..so old.

Cant you guys toy with them a bit more and be more cruel ?

We lurkers like to be entertained..thats why we come, thats why we join the progs that are advertised here.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by nickdark@Nov 23 2003, 10:25 PM
Cant you guys toy with them a bit more and be more cruel ?

We lurkers like to be entertained..thats why we come, thats why we join the progs that are advertised here.
I love lurkers....I just dont know how to cook em!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 23 2003, 11:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 23 2003, 11:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--nickdark@Nov 23 2003, 10:25 PM
Cant you guys toy with them a bit more and be more cruel ?

We lurkers like to be entertained..thats why we come, thats why we join the progs that are advertised here.
I love lurkers....I just dont know how to cook em![/b][/quote]
You're a southern boy - you fry 'em! B)

[Carrie]

Originally posted by nickdark@Nov 23 2003, 10:25 PM
We lurkers like to be entertained..thats why we come, thats why we join the progs that are advertised here.
People that join programs for no better reason than they like the piss on the board the program's advertising on are not just lurkers...
They're lemmings.

[Vick]

and of course "toying" with is so much more entertaining and enlightening than viable discussions and discourse regarding interesting matters such as all facets of business, art, history, fine dining, travel, wine, movies, music, literature, world events or even eventful happenings in our lives

Well I guess it does get more page views :awinky:


I still go with the statement [Labret] needs a Mommy, someone to love him and help him work though his cynical views which may come from deep seated issues

and no he is not intelligent or wise and may never be, at best a little educated perhaps and a little education can be a dangerous thing

[Vick]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@Nov 23 2003, 09:24 PM
Apparently you missed the part where I said it's what you DO about it that makes all the difference?
Yes I did miss where you stated that

[Dravyk]

Grogran was totally annoying. Now Labret ... I'm shocked he can cause this many posts in a thread. I neither like nor dislike him.

Probably that is worse than with Grogan ... apathy, I didn't pay any attention to him one way or another, I just don't fucking care. All this thread has done was let me know he exists, and now that I know that .. guess what? Yup, still don't care!

:zzz:

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 23 2003, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 23 2003, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 23 2003, 05:58 PM
Real life uh? What might that be? Slow financial and emotional suicide with a wife and kids? A mountain of credit card debt, a shitty job, residing in a cultural and intellectual vacuum with the likes of you?
Labret you're right in a way, but you're also very far-off from the truth.
It *can* be what you've said above. And some days it feels like it. But everything is a choice and no one has to settle for a mediocre job or saddle themselves with credit card debt or even live in a smothering suburban hellhole.

The family thing, though - really, what is the use of everything you have when you've no one to share it with? No one to pass on your knowledge to?

I've been there. Where you are, and where I am. The hellhole that you think family life is. I've been single, planning on pretty much being a student for the rest of my life. Alone and disdainful.

I've been stuck in a hellhole with a person who thought the best he could do was to get a supervisory position at the dusty box he worked at. We riddled ourselves with debt that it took me 10 years to get rid of.

And now I'm here - no debt whatsoever. My home is paid for. My minivan is paid for. The only bills I have are for utilities and food. Two kids and another on the way. A husband who is devoted to me, and I to him - even though there are times when we could kill each other. :)

And I tell you with all honesty and the experience of what you are now... this is better. So much better. One day you'll wake up and you'll realize that. All of the money in the world, all of the knowledge in the world... it's nothing when you're alone and lonely.

Maybe when you leave and you're not so focused on finishing your degree it will just hit you. Unexpected and so strong it will totally rip you off of your feet.
I just hope that when it does, you'll embrace it - and her. For your own sake.

No one wants to be old and alone, no matter how strong they think they are.[/b][/quote]

Alone? Just because I do not want a wife and kids? I have no aversion to relationships, in fact, I have a problem with getting myself into them. In the last 10 years I have had two. One that lasted 6 years and one that lasted 3 years. Unlike most people though, the end result of relationships (for me) are not children or marriage.

I learn from others mistakes. In a country with a 50% divorce rate and child neglect at an all time high, many many people should not be married, and even more of them should not have children. Everyone knows at least a few people that should not have children but sadly, do. So I am doing my part for humanity. I will not unleash upon the world another fat stupid lazy American. I should be given an award for that.

I have met very very few men my age who are happily married. Their lives are dull and meaningless. Marriage and kids and spending your life subservient to them in order to be perceived as a "good man", is a pitfall that I will avoid.

Thank you for your concern, but I will not die "alone". Just as I am not alone now.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 23 2003, 09:53 PM

[nickdark]

People that join programs for no better reason than they like the piss on the board the program's advertising on are not just lurkers...
They're lemmings. .."


LOL Did I miss something here?

Piss = entertainment = visitors = adviews etc etc

Isnt that the business model ?

Lemmings die !..Im still here despite Gonzos culinary fantasies.

[cj]

Originally posted by LadyMischief+Nov 23 2003, 09:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyMischief @ Nov 23 2003, 09:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 23 2003, 06:16 PM
Ok this is going to start getting a little deep (in more ways than one)


LadyMischief - by your definition, is it then ok if I come to your home and rob you of everything you have, all that you value if I don't think that's wrong?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=a...appropriateness (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=appropriateness) - If I think it's appropriate and not wrong then it's ok?

Basically you're saying there is no right and wrong


It wasn't a matter of saying one didn't want children, it is equating children with having leukemia along with other statements


Thanks Diamond Jim, you succinctly explained my position
I said holding an opinion is not wrong.. Apparently you missed the part where I said it's what you DO about it that makes all the difference? I don't have to agree with what people think, but what they do is the real defining factor, isn't it? :)[/b][/quote]
Actually LM ... no its not the defining factor.

I don't want children either - I share a lot of the same views on the amount of children on this planet as Labret does ...

I think that people should stop having children for the sake of it ...

I think parents should stop behaving like they have achieved something special by giving birth & should stop expecting to be congratulated because they buy nappies & take kids to soccer practice when it was their choice to put penis in vagina in the first place ...

I think that we should stop teaching children to want to grow up and have more children & should spend more time teaching them how to live a happy & fulfilling life themselves before breeding ...

I think that A LOT of children are accidents and that those parents do their best to pretend that its what they wanted out of life all along and then later in life become resentful towards their children for preventing them from achieving their goals ...

I think a lot of people become parents to make up for their own failures & end up creating children who are even more fucked up than they are ...

These are my opinions and they definately aren't fact - i can even think of opposing arguments to my own opinions!!

The defining factor is that Labret has actively gone out of his way to make sweeping blanket statements that he knows will offend the recipient, and then sits back rubbing his hands with glee while refusing to give any reasoning for his opinions ... obviously Labret is deliberately trying to make people angry, so what are you expecting from those whose emotions he is stirring? Kisses & hugs?!

Yes, he has a right to do all of the above and I couldn't give a fuck whether he continues or not - but let him defend himself, don't do it on his behalf by arguing his points for him, they are your interpretations and do nothing to give him any credit! Let him come back into the carnage he has caused & show us all his dazzling intelligence ... we are all eagerly awaiting and he might find he could even learn something from the 'old farts' around here ;-)

Or, if this is all too much trouble Labret ... there's always that other board!!!

:biglaugh:

[Lisa]

Originally posted by cj@Nov 24 2003, 06:01 PM
I don't want children either -
See what having my 3 for the weekend does? :nyanya:

[cj]

Labret ... I am going to eat my words ...

You just came to the party with some points & I really like your most recent post :wnw:


Carrie ...

And I tell you with all honesty and the experience of what you are now... this is better. So much better. One day you'll wake up and you'll realize that. All of the money in the world, all of the knowledge in the world... it's nothing when you're alone and lonely.

Thanks, but I'll pass on your OPINION of what is BETTER and stick with my life how it is right now - far from alone and far from lonely :okthumb: Family life ISN'T for everybody, no matter how perfect it is for you :awinky:

[cj]

Originally posted by Lisa+Nov 24 2003, 02:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lisa @ Nov 24 2003, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Nov 24 2003, 06:01 PM
I don't want children either -
See what having my 3 for the weekend does? :nyanya:[/b][/quote]
LOL

That and the 2 year old i spent all day saturday with! :nyanya:

Your kids are perfect, they have a home I can send them to at the end of the weekend :biglaugh:

[Nickatilynx]

So did you enjoy the rugby ladies? ;-))))

[Lisa]

Nick...rack off :grrr:

[Nickatilynx]

hehehehhehe :-)

[Lisa]

How appropriate...this just arrived in my email. :nyanya:

The winning of the William Webb Ellis (aka Bill) trophy this weekend was England's first world championship since 1966's Soccer World Cup.

Since then Australia has won.........

2 Rugby World Cups (91 & 99)

3 Cricket World Cups (87, 99, 2003)

7 Davis Cups (1966, 67, 73,77,83,86,99) (Not to mention an Englishman hasnt won Wimbleton for how long ?)

Americas Cup 1983

Crickets Ashes held since 1989 and for 25 of the last 37 years

Rugby Leagues Ashes held since 1973

:purpdance: :bjump: :purpdance: :bjump: :purpdance:

[Nickatilynx]

feck!!!!! ;-))))

[spazlabz]

I think parents should stop behaving like they have achieved something special by giving birth & should stop expecting to be congratulated because they buy nappies & take kids to soccer practice when it was their choice to put penis in vagina in the first place ...

I totally agree with this statement
I think that A LOT of children are accidents and that those parents do their best to pretend that its what they wanted out of life all along and then later in life become resentful towards their children for preventing them from achieving their goals ...

Both of my boys were not planned. So i guess that makes them 'accidents' by some peoples standards. I can say with all honesty that for me, both were happy accidents if accidents at all. & as for being resentful towards children later in life? I cannot comprehend such a thing. There are a lot of people that one could be resentful towards for an unhappy life, but ones own children.............to quote Princess Bride
"INCONCEIVABLE!!"
I think a lot of people become parents to make up for their own failures & end up creating children who are even more fucked up than they are ...

hahaha spaz<-------------- living proof that this argument is WRONG, at least as far as it applies to me. I was the most fucked up person I knew when my first son was born. I graduated HS, barely, got out of the USMC, and was digging ditches for a living (anyone remember the old saying 'things could be worse. I could be diging ditches for a living.'? well I was. For $4.35 an hour this was 14 years ago). I was uneducated, ignorant, self centered and all in all a complete waste of flesh. waiting to die in an industrial accident or something. The moment my first son was born everything changed. It was a flash. I openly weeped in public. It was overwhelming, that feeling I felt. For the first time in my entire stinking life I knew what responsibility was. It changed me for the better. Did I g on to collegeand better my education? Nope, hard reality was I wouldnt have been able to afford it before my son was born, that certainly didnt change after I had him. But, in a flash I decided that this child would NOT share the same fate as his father. And thus far, he has had the success in school that I never had. And grades are extremely important in this house. I credit my having kids with the successes I have had since his birth because it is the drive I have to provide better for my family that happily inspires me to achieve more. That ditch digger has his days of a 6 firgure income. I dont have that now, but I and my wife (whom I have been married to going on 17 years) are hard at work trying to achieve it again. Not all that easy to do when your only a couple of high school grads surrounded by the 'best & brightest' of their generations, but we dont do so bad.
Kids are not for everyone. Everyone has heard the wicked stepmother routine, or the stoies of people who abuse their kids. If someone truely feels that having children is not for them, then I for one respect that, even if I am unable, due to the positive influences it has had in my life, to understand their descision. But referring to children as a cancer like Labret did. is wrong. I am not angered by what he said, not at all, but I have always viewed anyone whose sole intent is to offend to be an intellectual inferior to myself. & I am a lowly high school grad of the American public school system. Intelligent conversation is meant to enlighten, not anger. Ican passionately debate my point of view without trying to offend the person who disagrees with me. Offending doesnt show intellect, IT shows laziness.


spaz <-----------proud to be a fat lazy American

[Carrie]

CJ you're right, it's my opinion. I've been on both sides though. It's WAY different when it's your own kids. :)

I never wanted kids. Hated them. My nickname for them was "small stupid humans". Ooh, what brats they all were. Babies were cute - as long as you could give them back, LOL. I was never going to have one, let alone three.

And then one day it all changed. Maybe it was just Fate looking over my shoulder and keeping me from getting stuck in that first hellhole I was talking about and protecting me until things were right. I dunno.
But it all just changed. It was weird.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 23 2003, 10:46 PM



I still go with the statement [Labret] needs a Mommy, someone to love him and help him work though his cynical views which may come from deep seated issues

and no he is not intelligent or wise and may never be, at best a little educated perhaps and a little education can be a dangerous thing
interesting...I wrote about the same thing without reading your post...

There is an old Jewish saying:
if 2 people without talking to each other, say to the third one that he is drunk-
the third one should go to bed and sleep
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 23 2003, 11:02 PM
Grogran was totally annoying. Now Labret ... I'm shocked he can cause this many posts in a thread. I neither like nor dislike him.

Probably that is worse than with Grogan ... apathy, I didn't pay any attention to him one way or another, I just don't fucking care. All this thread has done was let me know he exists, and now that I know that .. guess what? Yup, still don't care!

:zzz:
yeah....very sad indeed....and Drav, I am with you on this one.

Complete indifference is all Labret could squeeze out of me.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:41 AM
So I am doing my part for humanity. I will not unleash upon the world another fat stupid lazy American.
we ALL are the subjects of our environment and I personally command you for knowing your limitations as a human being and understanding that
"fat stupid lazy Am" is ALL you are capable of bringing into this world...

bravo! at least you are not self indulgent as grogan
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Complete indifference is all Labret could squeeze out of me.


3 posts all in a row about little ol indifferent me.

You goofy bastard, who are you kidding?

Anywho, I wake up and it is still the same boo hoo'ing that was going on when I went to bed. Its funny, I am still overwhelmingly labeled an unintelligent fool by the Oprano short bus riders association, yet nobody will explain precisely why.

Because I dont like Americans? Because I will call a spade a spade? My dislike for marriage and children? Because my doormat is an Israeli flag?

I ask for debate and all I get is crying. This is all the Oprano literati could come up with? Oprano has really let me down.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 04:39 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 07:35 AM

Complete indifference is all Labret could squeeze out of me.


3 posts all in a row about little ol indifferent me.

You goofy bastard, who are you kidding?

Anywho, I wake up and it is still the same boo hoo'ing that was going on when I went to bed. Its funny, I am still overwhelmingly labeled an unintelligent fool by the Oprano short bus riders association, yet nobody will explain precisely why.

Because I dont like Americans? Because I will call a spade a spade? My dislike for marriage and children? Because my doormat is an Israeli flag?

I ask for debate and all I get is crying. This is all the Oprano literati could come up with? Oprano has really let me down.
Labret, there is NOTHING to debate about,
like it or not, but USA is a free country,
you can do whaever you like withing the law and what's there to debate?

You wanna be a rebel without the cause and get a rise out of the crowd?

this is kinda hard to do from people who don't give a flying fuck
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 07:35 AM

Complete indifference is all Labret could squeeze out of me.


3 posts all in a row about little ol indifferent me.

You goofy bastard, who are you kidding?


what else you expect from me?
talk Sunday footbal?
;-)))

BTW, I share with you one of your bel;eives...care to guess which one?

I give you a small hint:
R O M E

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 04:35 AM

Complete indifference is all Labret could squeeze out of me.


3 posts all in a row about little ol indifferent me.

You goofy bastard, who are you kidding?

Anywho, I wake up and it is still the same boo hoo'ing that was going on when I went to bed. Its funny, I am still overwhelmingly labeled an unintelligent fool by the Oprano short bus riders association, yet nobody will explain precisely why.

Because I dont like Americans? Because I will call a spade a spade? My dislike for marriage and children? Because my doormat is an Israeli flag?

I ask for debate and all I get is crying. This is all the Oprano literati could come up with? Oprano has really let me down.
Your posts, your avatar seem to be designed ti illicit(sp) offense. That is an unintelligent way to state your opinions.


Oprano literati
Probably closer to Illuminati

State your opinions without name calling and you may possibly pass as someone with an education AND intelligence.


spaz

[[Labret]]

Your posts, your avatar seem to be designed ti illicit(sp) offense. That is an unintelligent way to state your opinions.


Offensive to some, a powerful statement to others. Of course I knew the avatar would get an ugly response from the kneejerk reactionaries. And nothing makes me laugh harder than the bleating of fools who lack the ability to coherently respond to the flood of emotion, Vick for example. The avatar was made for simians like him/her. We study this a lot in soc, its called ethnomethodology.

Nobody with any sense would be offended by it. When I see someone burning a flag I am more inclined to ask them why, not kneejerk. The inability to control that sort of reaction is a sign of lack of intelligence.


State your opinions without name calling and you may possibly pass as someone with an education AND intelligence.


Sorry, no can do in this instance. The thread started with name calling, it shall end the same way. Like I could have an intelligent debate with Vicky? Cmon now. I spend all day nearly every day in debate, no need to tell me what debate requires. It is all I do.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 05:06 AM

[Winetalk.com]

[Labret], will you post appologies next time you get drunk and let the truth come out, like you did on GFY,
or did you quit drinking?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 05:11 AM
[Labret], will you post appologies next time you get drunk and let the truth come out, like you did on GFY,
or did you quit drinking?

You must be confusing me with Lord Fletch (PBUH), I am not a drinker. I mean, I do drink, but its been a rather lackluster month for me in the partying department. If I was drunk my posts would be much much more vitriolic.

Apologies? For what? Offending my inferiors? Their very existence offends me. Vick should apologize to me for being alive.

edit, ahhh the GFY thread. You explain to me Russian prison immigration and I will explain that thread. Deal?



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 05:28 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 08:18 AM


You must be confusing me with Lord Fletch (PBUH), I am not a drinker. I mean, I do drink, but its been a rather lackluster month for me in the partying department. If I was drunk my posts would be much much more vitriolic.

Apologies? For what? Offending my inferiors? Their very existence offends me. Vick should apologize to me for being alive.

edit, ahhh the GFY thread. You explain to me Russian prison immigration and I will explain that thread. Deal?
ahhh...Mr. Sociologist, can't even get a rise out of Russian...all those years of studying wasted for nothing
;-))

what IS "Russian Prison Immigration"?
is that some thing you learned about in your "college" or the bathroom wall of a truck stop?
;-)))

if you meant CUBAN, I can answer you, but if you truly meant Russian,
]I suggest you chose your sources more careful...bathroom walls are NOT the best sources, son
;_))))

[Vick]

[Labret] - there's one thing we agree on
You shouldn't reproduce

You're narrow minded and ignorant. Hiding behind a supposed education and keeping yourself immersed in academia because you can't cope in or with a real world.

As you cry of your supposed superiority you expose your feelings of inferiority


Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are
And when your hand is on your heart
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost a joker
With your head down in the pig bin
Saying "keep on digging"
Pig stain on your fat chin
What do you hope to find?
When you're down in the pig mine
You're nearly a laugh

You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.

[[Labret]]

You are just repeating yourself now.

Pink Floyd lyrics. Sheep always quote the most overrated band in history.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:12 AM
You are just repeating yourself now.

Pink Floyd lyrics. Sheep always quote the most overrated band in history.
Mr Sociologist, and what are your Music Credentials?

My wife has a degree in music conducting, and you?

[Vick]

You haven't dealt with the statement any time I made it

Actually I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd but those lyrics fit your board personality well

Now I've got tasks to perform but I'll push your buttons if and when I feel like it

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 06:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 06:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:12 AM
You are just repeating yourself now.

Pink Floyd lyrics. Sheep always quote the most overrated band in history.
Mr Sociologist, and what are your Music Credentials?

My wife has a degree in music conducting, and you?[/b][/quote]

Conducting uh? Something I wish I understood better.

My credentials? For years I ran a small record label out of Canada with a partner, specializing in small runs of very niche specific collector vinyl. I currently host a dump for mid sized music pirates. Shhh dont tell. 25 to 30 releases a day. A hobby of sorts.

You want narrow minded, get me started on music. Ill have you clawing your damn eyes out.



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[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 24 2003, 06:14 AM
You haven't dealt with the statement any time I made it

Actually I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd but those lyrics fit your board personality well

Now I've got tasks to perform but I'll push your buttons if and when I feel like it

What statement would that be exactly?

I been waiting for two days for some coherent response. Blathering about life and following it up with Floyd lyrics hardly constitute button pushing. You make Amp look skilled.



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[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:18 AM
Ill have you clawing your damn eyes out.
oh really???

I managed Dan Spitz from Anthrax...I doubt very much you can do me any damage after that experience...
;-))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 08:05 AM
The inability to control that sort of reaction is a sign of lack of intelligence.

There is no tie in between emotional response and intelligence level that would back that up. In fact, I believe that you will find that if you compared the emotional ("kneejerk") response of a highly intelligent group against that of a "normal" intelligence group, you will find the more intelligent group to have the stronger emotional "kneejerk" reaction. You will also find a much higher concentration of neuroses and psychoses among the group with the higher intelligence. So, an uncontrollable emotional response ("kneejerk") may actually be a sign of the presence of intelligence.




:yowsa:

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 09:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 24 2003, 06:14 AM
You haven't dealt with the statement any time I made it

Actually I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd but those lyrics fit your board personality well

Now I've got tasks to perform but I'll push your buttons if and when I feel like it

What statement would that be exactly?

I been waiting for two days for some coherent response. Blathering about life and following it up with Floyd lyrics hardly constitute button pushing. You make Amp look skilled.[/b][/quote]
Actually almost any statement but let's go with

You're narrow minded and ignorant. Hiding behind a supposed education and keeping yourself immersed in academia because you can't cope in or with a real world.

As you cry of your supposed superiority you expose your feelings of inferiority

Don't feel the need to puff yourself all up, that just makes you look worse. Your supposed credentials impress no one but yourself.

Can we hear about your childhood? Were you abandoned or had feeling of abandonment?


and one day let's start a new thread just for music discussion


You've already admitted you're narrow minded

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 06:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 06:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:18 AM
Ill have you clawing your damn eyes out.
oh really???

I managed Dan Spitz from Anthrax...I doubt very much you can do me any damage after that experience...
;-))[/b][/quote]

I vaguely remember that actually. You and Amp had your final blowout on his board right?

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Originally posted by sarettah+Nov 24 2003, 09:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Nov 24 2003, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 08:05 AM
The inability to control that sort of reaction is a sign of lack of intelligence.

There is no tie in between emotional response and intelligence level that would back that up. In fact, I believe that you will find that if you compared the emotional ("kneejerk") response of a highly intelligent group against that of a "normal" intelligence group, you will find the more intelligent group to have the stronger emotional "kneejerk" reaction. You will also find a much higher concentration of neuroses and psychoses among the group with the higher intelligence. So, an uncontrollable emotional response ("kneejerk") may actually be a sign of the presence of intelligence.




:yowsa:[/b][/quote]
you got him, the Mr Sociologist is beaten on his own subject
;_))

Nice to watch....
;-)))

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 09:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 06:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:18 AM
Ill have you clawing your damn eyes out.
oh really???

I managed Dan Spitz from Anthrax...I doubt very much you can do me any damage after that experience...
;-))

I vaguely remember that actually. You and Amp had your final blowout on his board right?[/b][/quote]
this is as right as me being Gay
;-)))

Amp never been to that board....or even mentioned Dan's name..ever
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 24 2003, 06:24 AM







Actually almost any statement but let's go with

You're narrow minded and ignorant. Hiding behind a supposed education and keeping yourself immersed in academia because you can't cope in or with a real world.


Fine, I will cover this again. Reading comprehension does not appear to be your strong point. Try and follow along this time.

Immersed in academia because I fear the real world.

As if you have even the slightest inkling what a life in academia requires. Like it is just some fantasy world where we lock ourselves in small rooms with little or no human contact? For the last time, I study people. Psychologists study the mind, physicians study the body, we study culture. How many psychiatrists and physicians you know that do not deal with the subject matter on a daily basis? Why would my field be any different? Does this make any sense at all to you? Would you say that psychiatrists and physicians are just hiding from this "real world" idea that you posit? What is this real world you keep blathering about? And fear the real world? I find your world fascinating, so much so I choose to spend my life studying why it even exists and how and why it functions. Your ignorant ass does not even give these things a second thought, yet I am the one living in fear?

Why even debate what academia is with me when you have absolutely no idea what it even requires? Humor me and tell me what my day involves.


As you cry of your supposed superiority you expose your feelings of inferiority


I am surrounded by people that dwarf me intellectually on a daily basis. Its the nature of the beast. I do not brow beat them for being smarter than me, instead I strive to be like them and learn from them. I pay a lot for this type of abuse. It makes me stronger. You fear and loathe those smarter than you, I respect them. Inferiority, you know it well.


Can we hear about your childhood? Were you abandoned or had feeling of abandonment?


Totally boring and uneventfull. Parents married 34 years so far, 2 sisters, no abuse, no drugs. Raised in both a rural and urban environments. Father blue collar shipyard worker, mom a typical housewife. Anything else?


and one day let's start a new thread just for music discussion


Trust me, if Pink Floyd is the pinnacle for you, you will have no idea what the hell I will even be talking about.


You've already admitted you're narrow minded


You have no idea just how narrow minded I am. It is staggering.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 06:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 06:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 06:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:18 AM
Ill have you clawing your damn eyes out.
oh really???

I managed Dan Spitz from Anthrax...I doubt very much you can do me any damage after that experience...
;-))

I vaguely remember that actually. You and Amp had your final blowout on his board right?
this is as right as me being Gay
;-)))

Amp never been to that board....or even mentioned Dan's name..ever
;-)))[/b][/quote]

He did have a message board that you spammed all over the place though right? I never did understand the Serge / Anthrax connection. Regardless, I thought I recalled amp on it.

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I am surrounded by people that dwarf me intellectually on a daily basis.
************************************************** ********

I always knew that about Oprano
;-)))))

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:44 AM


He did have a message board that you spammed all over the place though right? I never did understand the Serge / Anthrax connection. Regardless, I thought I recalled amp on it.
I am taking Vitamin E to help with my memory loss...
what's your poison?
I suggest you join me in 1000 mg daily
;-)))

..at least we'll have the same memories
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 24 2003, 06:23 AM

There is no tie in between emotional response and intelligence level that would back that up. In fact, I believe that you will find that if you compared the emotional ("kneejerk") response of a highly intelligent group against that of a "normal" intelligence group, you will find the more intelligent group to have the stronger emotional "kneejerk" reaction. You will also find a much higher concentration of neuroses and psychoses among the group with the higher intelligence. So, an uncontrollable emotional response ("kneejerk") may actually be a sign of the presence of intelligence.

"There is no tie in between emotional response and intelligence level that would back that up."

Yet you claim the same thing in reverse without somehow backing it up?

"You will also find a much higher concentration of neuroses and psychoses among the group with the higher intelligence". I think you would probably be more likely to find certain kinds of mental health problems within academia then you would find outside of it. Much the same way there are mental health issues that you probably wont find in academia that you will find prevalent elsewhere.

Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.



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[gonzo]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 09:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 06:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:12 AM
You are just repeating yourself now.

Pink Floyd lyrics. Sheep always quote the most overrated band in history.
Mr Sociologist, and what are your Music Credentials?

My wife has a degree in music conducting, and you?

Conducting uh? Something I wish I understood better.

My credentials? For years I ran a small record label out of Canada with a partner, specializing in small runs of very niche specific collector vinyl. I currently host a dump for mid sized music pirates. Shhh dont tell. 25 to 30 releases a day. A hobby of sorts.

You want narrow minded, get me started on music. Ill have you clawing your damn eyes out.[/b][/quote]
You never know whos listening on these things....
BIg Champaign is everywhere......

[Vick]

I think you're the one with a reading comprehension problem, I stated I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd but the lyrics fit your board personality

Funny how you sidestepped the question of feelings of abandonment while giving your childhood background

and you know nothing of "my" world so you would find it fascinating or would you?

For someone with such a supposedly great intellect it's amusing how you can't express yourself without resorting to name calling or using the vernacular of the peasantry

I always found it a shortcoming when one must use profanity to express one's self in an intellegent conversation

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 09:52 AM


Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.
..and those 2 crowds have MORE in common than you suggest,
plus...
I haven't seen YOIU backing up your "findings" with anything but retorics...

if you are the BEST what US education system can produce,
it's a pity.

you DO need European Classical Education,
as you make this russki smile with your inadequacies...
;-)))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 09:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Nov 24 2003, 06:23 AM

There is no tie in between emotional response and intelligence level that would back that up. In fact, I believe that you will find that if you compared the emotional ("kneejerk") response of a highly intelligent group against that of a "normal" intelligence group, you will find the more intelligent group to have the stronger emotional "kneejerk" reaction. You will also find a much higher concentration of neuroses and psychoses among the group with the higher intelligence. So, an uncontrollable emotional response ("kneejerk") may actually be a sign of the presence of intelligence.

"There is no tie in between emotional response and intelligence level that would back that up."

Yet you claim the same thing in reverse without somehow backing it up?

"You will also find a much higher concentration of neuroses and psychoses among the group with the higher intelligence". I think you would probably be more likely to find certain kinds of mental health problems within academia then you would find outside of it. Much the same way there are mental health issues that you probably wont find in academia that you will find prevalent elsewhere.

Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.[/b][/quote]
Don't even try to twist my words.

I never said a thing about academia.

For you to assume that my mentioning of groups of higher intelligence means "academia" is naive at best and arrogant as all hell at worst.



As far as the first part of my post, let me state it more clearly. I do not think you will find any studies that will back up your statement that "The inability to control that sort of reaction is a sign of lack of intelligence.".

However, I believe that if you check, you might find some studies that will back up my assertion that you will find a higher propensity towards aqn emotional response from a higher intelligence group then a lower intelligence group.

Can I back that up? Hell if I know for sure, but I am pretty damn sure. Let me get done with my morning stuff and I will get back to you on it.

[Vick]

and one of [Labret] biggest shortcomings is thinking that education is limited to classrooms

[[Labret]]

Funny how you sidestepped the question of feelings of abandonment while giving your childhood background


Why would I have abandonment issues if my parents are still married and I still see them often?


and you know nothing of "my" world so you would find it fascinating or would you?


I can imagine it must be quite complex.


I always found it a shortcoming when one must use profanity to express one's self in an intellegent conversation


I do not know what I find more tragic. That you find this an intelligent conversation or the inability to find humor in profanity.

I think George Carlin is a genius, and his use of profanity to color his speach is artful. I simply do not share your view on profanity.

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Originally posted by Vick@Nov 24 2003, 10:00 AM
and one of [Labret] biggest shortcomings is thinking that education is limited to classrooms
Vick, go easy on him...he doesn't know any better,
his life expereinces are very limited....I am looking forward to his trip "in the world",
should bring us back "new and improved" Labret

[[Labret]]

As far as the first part of my post, let me state it more clearly. I do not think you will find any studies that will back up your statement that "The inability to control that sort of reaction is a sign of lack of intelligence.


As someone who deals with intelligent people on a daily basis, I can tell you that kneejerking and lashing out during a debate is considered poor form in the extreme. In fact, in most cases, if you can be the one who caused the other person to lose their cool so to speak while maintaining your own, it is considered a victory of sorts.

Losing control over your ability to control yourself in the face of adversity is not an admirable trait. Society generally respects a level head. You will never see George Bush calling anyone a "dumb fuck".


For you to assume that my mentioning of groups of higher intelligence means "academia" is naive at best and arrogant as all hell at worst.


Oh, you were referring to those roaming hordes of highschool educated geniuses?


However, I believe that if you check, you might find some studies that will back up my assertion that you will find a higher propensity towards aqn emotional response from a higher intelligence group then a lower intelligence group.


I am not saying you wont get a reaction from people who are considered of higher intelligence, but it sure as hell will be different. Billy Bob and Scooter witnessing a flag burning will have a different response then someone with a phd in behavioral psychology.

Ill just wait for whatever you dredge up from google before I continue.



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[spazlabz]

Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.

To stereotype or lump every American into one group is not equally absurd?

spaz

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:02 AM
Why would I have abandonment issues if my parents are still married and I still see them often?


I can imagine it must be quite complex.

I do not know what I find more tragic. That you find this an intelligent conversation or the inability to find humor in profanity.

I think George Carlin is a genius, and his use of profanity to color his speach is artful. I simply do not share your view on profanity.
a - still dancing

b - thank you

c - This is a somewhat intelligent conversation, it is going on currently between at least 3 (maybe someday 4) people with minds I have admiration and respect for

d - I also find Carlin a genius and incredibly humorous. But your using profanity as name calling is light years away from the work Carlin does

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 07:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 07:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 24 2003, 10:00 AM
and one of [Labret] biggest shortcomings is thinking that education is limited to classrooms
Vick, go easy on him...he doesn't know any better,
his life expereinces are very limited....I am looking forward to his trip "in the world",
should bring us back "new and improved" Labret[/b][/quote]

This whole life experience that people like Vick like to fall back upon is just a cop out for their own shortcomings.

I would still like to learn how a life in academia is somehow different that anyone elses life?

Some people make donuts, I learn things. We both still eat, sleep, and shit.

[Nickatilynx]

I am looking forward to his trip "in the world",
should bring us back "new and improved" Labret

I am too.Can't wait til he trys to persuade a couple of pikeys in London , Glasgow , Dublin or Belfast how intelligent he is. ;-)))))

Pikeys love a good debate on this ;-))

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 24 2003, 10:15 AM
I am looking forward to his trip "in the world",
should bring us back "new and improved" Labret

I am too.Can't wait til he trys to persuade a couple of pikeys in London , Glasgow , Dublin or Belfast how intelligent he is. ;-)))))

Pikeys love a good debate on this ;-))
Hes safe if he dangles a box of Krispy Kreme in front of em while hes talking.

[Vick]

People like Vick :devil:

Hmmmmm........ little stereotypical aren't we

[Labret] - you have some form of intelligence but you seem to be lacking in practical application of your chosen field of study as evidenced by your statements

If you think all homo sapiens are alike because we share the common traits of eat, sleep, and shit you've really missed a lot and contradicted yourself

now I really have some tasks to attend to, I'll check back as time allows

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 24 2003, 07:15 AM
I am looking forward to his trip "in the world",
should bring us back "new and improved" Labret

I am too.Can't wait til he trys to persuade a couple of pikeys in London , Glasgow , Dublin or Belfast how intelligent he is. ;-)))))

Pikeys love a good debate on this ;-))

Why would that even be necessary? The only reason it is even being discussed here is because you dipshits question it. Did I start this conversation?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 24 2003, 07:17 AM
People like Vick :devil:

Hmmmmm........ little stereotypical aren't we

[Labret] - you have some form of intelligence but you seem to be lacking in practical application of your chosen field of study as evidenced by your statements

If you think all homo sapiens are alike because we share the common traits of eat, sleep, and shit you've really missed a lot and contradicted yourself

now I really have some tasks to attend to, I'll check back as time allows

We are not homo sapien. We are homo sapien sapien. One sapien denotes archaic forms. No surprise you put yourself in that category.

I find your belief in diversity to be quaint and charming.

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:21 AM
We are not homo sapien. We are homo sapien sapien. One sapien denotes archaic forms
That is one thing I will say you are correct about and I was wrong

But it was very nit picky

I agree with the sentiment expressed here, can't wait until you leave the US again

For being 32 and spending years taking an education (education is not given in most circumstances you must make it) you still have some very angry young man concepts

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:08 AM






In fact, in most cases, if you can be the one who caused the other person to lose their cool so to speak while maintaining your own, it is considered a victory of sorts.


Growing up, we called this "ranking"... One upping an opponent until they got pissed off and resorted to either personalized profanity or violence.

Same game, different stage.


Losing control over your ability to control yourself in the face of adversity is not an admirable trait. Society generally respects a level head. You will never see George Bush calling anyone a "dumb fuck".


I bet you I can find a clip of him saying something close.

I can find tapes of Nixon losing it on a regular basis, Clinton, Johnson.. Many of the politicians of our time had a terribly short fuse... They had handlers to keep the public from seeing that side...

It may not be an admirable trait, but that does not mean it is not common. Why do so many of the "intelligentsa" work behind closed doors, with their only contact with the outside being their published writings. Because they do not know how to deal with people, they are scared of the outside world, they have paranoia running at levels well above the rest of the folks.



Oh, you were referring to those roaming hordes of highschool educated geniuses?


No, I was referring to the many people who are not part of academia.. The doctors, the lawyers, the engineers, the system designers, the programmers, the mailmen, the garbage men and the many other people in this world who may be of higher than normal intelligence but who choose to go out into the scarey world and live it rather than sit behind the scenes and study it.


I am not saying you wont get a reaction from people who are considered of higher intelligence, but it sure as hell will be different. Billy Bob and Scooter witnessing a flag burning will have a different response then someone with a phd in behavioral psychology.


Not necessarilly. Depends on the people. I have known many very intelligent people who held very closeminded opinions. I have also known many blue collar "normal" intelligence level folks who were extremely open minded. That has nothing to do with intelligence per se. There are many extremely intelligent people who believe in God and Jesus and a spiritual afterlife, whether that belief would seem logical to me or not. The belief systems of a person often shape many of their outwardly shown viewpoints of the world.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 07:09 AM
Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.

To stereotype or lump every American into one group is not equally absurd?

spaz
is this not a valid question? I await a reply Labret.

spaz

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Nov 24 2003, 07:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Nov 24 2003, 07:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 07:09 AM
Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.

To stereotype or lump every American into one group is not equally absurd?

spaz
is this not a valid question? I await a reply Labret.

spaz[/b][/quote]
Sorry, 6 subjects at once.

Of course, I know many many people that are not stereotypical Americans.

There just happen to be far more neopatriot minivan driving uneducated flag wavers. Those are the enemy I speak of.

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:33 AM

Sorry, 6 subjects at once.


should I give you lessons how to be in 20 threads at once beating EVERY GFYer on my way?

increase your mental RAM, it helps
;-)))

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 07:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 07:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 07:09 AM
Also, to lump all of academia into one group is absurd. Comparing people doing graduate work in art history to people doing graduate work in forestry and genetics, you are dealing with two very different crowds.

To stereotype or lump every American into one group is not equally absurd?

spaz
is this not a valid question? I await a reply Labret.

spaz
Sorry, 6 subjects at once.

Of course, I know many many people that are not stereotypical Americans.

There just happen to be far more neopatriot minivan driving uneducated flag wavers. Those are the enemy I speak of.[/b][/quote]
So you qualify us Fat Lazy Americans when given the oppurtunity. Don't you think the others who are discussing all this with you may feel that their sweeping generalizations would be qualified as well? I mean in the heat of debate it is normal to generalize to some extent to make a point. Pointing out the generalizations of others begs your own to be brought to the forefront as well.


spaz

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 07:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 07:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:33 AM

Sorry, 6 subjects at once.


should I give you lessons how to be in 20 threads at once beating EVERY GFYer on my way?

increase your mental RAM, it helps
;-)))[/b][/quote]

smiley faces and stange one liners and pics of abortions?

Works for you, but I require a little more.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 07:36 AM

So you qualify us Fat Lazy Americans when given the oppurtunity. Don't you think the others who are discussing all this with you may feel that their sweeping generalizations would be qualified as well? I mean in the heat of debate it is normal to generalize to some extent to make a point. Pointing out the generalizations of others begs your own to be brought to the forefront as well.


spaz

Not a problem. Careful what you ask for however, what you hear you will not like. You want to see the monkies freak the fuck out, get me started on my support for Al Queda.

So ask away, I rarely hold back.



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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:36 AM


smiley faces and stange one liners and pics of abortions?

Works for you, but I require a little more.
glad you study the Master...
flattery will get you everywhere
;-)))

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:40 AM
You want to see the monkies freak the fuck out, get me started on my support for Al Queda.

So ask away, I rarely hold back.
please do....start with justifications for 9/11 and we'll go from there...

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 07:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 07:36 AM

So you qualify us Fat Lazy Americans when given the oppurtunity. Don't you think the others who are discussing all this with you may feel that their sweeping generalizations would be qualified as well? I mean in the heat of debate it is normal to generalize to some extent to make a point. Pointing out the generalizations of others begs your own to be brought to the forefront as well.


spaz

Not a problem. Careful what you ask for however, what you hear you will not like. You want to see the monkies freak the fuck out, get me started on my support for Al Queda.

So ask away, I rarely hold back.[/b][/quote]
in all honesty, I ask nothing more than for consistancy of standards. If you generalize, be preapred for others to do so as well. As for your views on terrorism or terrorist, those are your views and I have my own. I do not express them here because they would be easily misunderstood. Not because the people here are not smart as hell, they have a proven track record, but due entirely to my inability to express myself clearly.



spaz

[PornoDoggy]

Finally, after all these years, I have met an obvious member of the "effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."

[[Labret]]

Serge needs more impressions.

Years of bad foreign policy come home to roost. It was a nice wake up call. A beautiful mix of theology and politics resulting in a historic display of resistance.

What? You mean some people do not want to be a fat fucking ignorant American capitalist xtian? Surely you jest.

[eatapeach]

two points:

1) H.L. Mencken said that according to a US government report the average American never grew beyond the intellect of a 12 year old.

2) Someone once said that arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics; even if you win you're still retarded.

Discuss.

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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 10:48 AM
Finally, after all these years, I have met an obvious member of the "effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
..and I was beating them since I was 17....under much harsher and more dangerous conditions...
I for one, LOVE this exercize in futility!
It's been a while
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 07:48 AM
Finally, after all these years, I have met an obvious member of the "effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
Pleased to meet you.

Snob? I am a short pale pudgy tattoo'd geek, you would never be able to tell the horror that lurks beneath. I am not a snob, a snob would ignore you stupid bastards.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 07:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 10:48 AM
Finally, after all these years, I have met an obvious member of the "effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
..and I was beating them since I was 17....under much harsher and more dangerous conditions...
I for one, LOVE this exercize in futility!
It's been a while
;-))))[/b][/quote]
How is this an exercise in futility if I get what I want from it?

I am not here to win hearts and minds. If I wanted friends I would go to YNOT and drink virtual coffee.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Nov 24 2003, 07:49 AM
two points:

1) H.L. Mencken said that according to a US government report the average American never grew beyond the intellect of a 12 year old.

2) Someone once said that arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics; even if you win you're still retarded.

Discuss.
LOL
IYAM
SOFAKING
WE TODD ID

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:49 AM
Serge needs more impressions.

Years of bad foreign policy come home to roost. It was a nice wake up call. A beautiful mix of theology and politics resulting in a historic display of resistance.

What? You mean some people do not want to be a fat fucking ignorant American capitalist xtian? Surely you jest.
yes, and Serge always gets what Serge wants
;-))))

9/11 couldn't happen at the best possible time..wake up call during the strong President...who showed the world,
next time thing like that is going to happen on the American soil,
the middle east will be turned into the radio active desert.

stopped the fuckers, didn't it?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 07:48 AM
Finally, after all these years, I have met an obvious member of the "effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
Pleased to meet you.

Snob? I am a short pale pudgy tattoo'd geek, you would never be able to tell the horror that lurks beneath. I am not a snob, a snob would ignore you stupid bastards.[/b][/quote]
what about LONELY snob?
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:52 AM

How is this an exercise in futility if I get what I want from it?

I am not here to win hearts and minds. If I wanted friends I would go to YNOT and drink virtual coffee.
this si exercize in futility because your mind is in the tank...NOTHING but the trip abroad and learning the life can penetrate it.
you know that you can't change the views of the world, I know nobody can change your views, and how would YOU call it?

I beleive that "exercize in futility" sounds better than "impression sale"
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Nov 24 2003, 10:49 AM
two points:

1) H.L. Mencken said that according to a US government report the average American never grew beyond the intellect of a 12 year old.

2) Someone once said that arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics; even if you win you're still retarded.

Discuss.
eatapeach, wrong...
I make money of this thread,
let it be
;-)))

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 07:52 AM
stopped the fuckers, didn't it?
you don't keep up with current events i see.

ask the british consulate or HSBC Bank just how "stopped" the terrorists are.

[Vick]

I will always react to America Bashing and Flag Burning

I firmly believe in America, as a great nation we are not without challenges. Any situation can be improved

As I have stated it is much easier to point the finger than work to correct the challenges

It is the weak who only complain and do nothing to improve the situation, causes and conditions of which they complain

and my reaction to [Labret] avatar is what started this (somewhat) interesting conversation

I don't consider myself a flag waving knee jerk, I am a patriotic American

Very grateful for the opportunities being an American affords. Also I am extremely grateful to all those who have gone before to enable these liberties and opportunities I enjoy

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Nov 24 2003, 10:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Nov 24 2003, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 07:52 AM
stopped the fuckers, didn't it?
you don't keep up with current events i see.

ask the british consulate or HSBC Bank just how "stopped" the terrorists are.[/b][/quote]
eatapeach, please re-read what I posted and re-evaluate your post in the light what was said above.

[Winetalk.com]

eatapeach, I'l make it easy for you...
9/11 couldn't happen at the best possible time..wake up call during the strong President...who showed the world,
next time thing like that is going to happen on the American soil,
the middle east will be turned into the radio active desert.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 08:01 AM
eatapeach, I'l make it easy for you...
9/11 couldn't happen at the best possible time..wake up call during the strong President...who showed the world,
next time thing like that is going to happen on the American soil,
the middle east will be turned into the radio active desert.
Glass.............
that much sand + that much heat

Prit-tay!

spaz

[Fletch XXX]

This is what you folks did all Sunday and now onto today?

:zzz:

[[Labret]]

Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 08:06 AM
Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.
HEY HEY!! wait one fucking minute there
I live in oHIo
and I can honestly say on most days that isn't a bad idea heh heh

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:06 AM
Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.
incorrect....psychological effect and NEW political realities after the fact is what keeps American soil from terrorists...plus...Malaysia is equal distance for balistic missile
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Nov 24 2003, 08:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Nov 24 2003, 08:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 08:06 AM
Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.
HEY HEY!! wait one fucking minute there
I live in oHIo
and I can honestly say on most days that isn't a bad idea heh heh

spaz[/b][/quote]

I am from Detroit, I like Ohio, just the first thing that popped into my head. Ohio is a beautiful state. I have yet to make it to your Amish country.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 07:48 AM
Finally, after all these years, I have met an obvious member of the "effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."
Pleased to meet you.

Snob? I am a short pale pudgy tattoo'd geek, you would never be able to tell the horror that lurks beneath. I am not a snob, a snob would ignore you stupid bastards.[/b][/quote]
But without us "stupid bastards", who would you have to look down on?

Nah - you're a snob. The fact that your snobbery is based on your alleged achievements in the artifical world of academia, instead of over the car you drive or the neighborhood you live in, is a technicality.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 08:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 08:08 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 08:06 AM
Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.
HEY HEY!! wait one fucking minute there
I live in oHIo
and I can honestly say on most days that isn't a bad idea heh heh

spaz

I am from Detroit, I like Ohio, just the first thing that popped into my head. Ohio is a beautiful state. I have yet to make it to your Amish country.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, pig shit and cow patties. oHIo the beautiful. Is one of the many reasons why I am moving to Florida on Thursday. I will miss some things about rural hell, but I think I will be well compensated for it in FL

spaz

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:02 AM
Why would I have abandonment issues if my parents are still married and I still see them often?
As a student of sociology your response here baffles me.
It is not simply the physical presence of your parents that prevent feelings of abandonment, but also emotional attachment.
Your father could be attending to all of his responsibilities and duties as a father and husband, but still leave you feeling as if he doesn't care a thing about you.
Your mother could stay home and care for you night and day, making sure you have food to eat and clean clothes to wear, but still make you feel as if you're unwanted.

Just because your parents are still together and you see them often doesn't mean that there is no chance of abandonment issues. Actually, your views of marriage and family speak loudly of your unhappiness with your childhood and deep-seated issues of abandonment and neglect.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 08:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 08:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:06 AM
Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.
incorrect....psychological effect and NEW political realities after the fact is what keeps American soil from terrorists...plus...Malaysia is equal distance for balistic missile
;-))))[/b][/quote]

The only nuke going off will hopefully be a dirty one in the Mall of America around xmas time.

I am surprised you actually think the United States would use tactical nukes. Perhaps if they found out Iran was harboring Bin Laden and found at the nuke came from them and they had more on the way. I just dont see it happening. Bush is an idiot, but I fail to believe after the failure in Afghanistan and Iraq that he would be so haphazard. Esp before an election.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 24 2003, 08:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 24 2003, 08:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:02 AM
Why would I have abandonment issues if my parents are still married and I still see them often?
As a student of sociology your response here baffles me.
It is not simply the physical presence of your parents that prevent feelings of abandonment, but also emotional attachment.
Your father could be attending to all of his responsibilities and duties as a father and husband, but still leave you feeling as if he doesn't care a thing about you.
Your mother could stay home and care for you night and day, making sure you have food to eat and clean clothes to wear, but still make you feel as if you're unwanted.

Just because your parents are still together and you see them often doesn't mean that there is no chance of abandonment issues. Actually, your views of marriage and family speak loudly of your unhappiness with your childhood and deep-seated issues of abandonment and neglect.[/b][/quote]

I am not a psychologist. I deal with culture. Perhaps if my area was more of juvenile delinquency I would understand abandonment as some sort of predictor of deviant social behavior, and then it would fall into my area. But as it sits now my emphasis is in popular culture.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 08:16 AM

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 08:01 AM
eatapeach, I'l make it easy for you...
9/11 couldn't happen at the best possible time..wake up call during the strong President...who showed the world,
next time thing like that is going to happen on the American soil,
the middle east will be turned into the radio active desert.
i disagreed with so many of your points in that single post i just chose one that could be responded to in a very short couple of sentences.

unlike you i don't get paid to argue, so i'll just exit the conversation now and leave you and your buddies to crank up the impression count.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 11:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 08:09 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:06 AM
Use a nuke on whom exactly? Nuking the middle east for the actions of some Queda affiliates based out of Malaysia (or wherever) makes as much sense as nuking Ohio.
incorrect....psychological effect and NEW political realities after the fact is what keeps American soil from terrorists...plus...Malaysia is equal distance for balistic missile
;-))))

The only nuke going off will hopefully be a dirty one in the Mall of America around xmas time.

I am surprised you actually think the United States would use tactical nukes. Perhaps if they found out Iran was harboring Bin Laden and found at the nuke came from them and they had more on the way. I just dont see it happening. Bush is an idiot, but I fail to believe after the failure in Afghanistan and Iraq that he would be so haphazard. Esp before an election.[/b][/quote]
hahahahahaha,
Mr Sociologist,
"Riffle Unites The Nation"
(--Mao)
and doing NUKE before the election with ZERO US dollars or lives lost,
will be the PERFECT time.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:15 AM
But as it sits now my emphasis is in popular culture.
picking on cherylula again?
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Just because your parents are still together and you see them often doesn't mean that there is no chance of abandonment issues. Actually, your views of marriage and family speak loudly of your unhappiness with your childhood and deep-seated issues of abandonment and neglect.


Oops, missed that one.

I would think my strong family bonds and being around their happy marriage for 18 years would have a positive impact on me.

My views on marriage and children are a result largely of witnessing the failure of others and the anthropological / sociological theories of why they even exist. Study them and you will see just how arbitrary and absurd the institution of marriage and nuclear family is. Both concepts are relatively new and are not a natural occurrence amongst humans.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by eatapeach+Nov 24 2003, 11:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Nov 24 2003, 11:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 08:01 AM
eatapeach, I'l make it easy for you...
9/11 couldn't happen at the best possible time..wake up call during the strong President...who showed the world,
next time thing like that is going to happen on the American soil,
the middle east will be turned into the radio active desert.
i disagreed with so many of your points in that single post i just chose one that could be responded to in a very short couple of sentences.

unlike you i don't get paid to argue, so i'll just exit the conversation now and leave you and your buddies to crank up the impression count.[/b][/quote]
everybody,
please have a minute of silence...
we just lost 20 impressions...
I am speechless...

[gonzo]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 11:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Nov 24 2003, 08:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:02 AM
Why would I have abandonment issues if my parents are still married and I still see them often?
As a student of sociology your response here baffles me.
It is not simply the physical presence of your parents that prevent feelings of abandonment, but also emotional attachment.
Your father could be attending to all of his responsibilities and duties as a father and husband, but still leave you feeling as if he doesn't care a thing about you.
Your mother could stay home and care for you night and day, making sure you have food to eat and clean clothes to wear, but still make you feel as if you're unwanted.

Just because your parents are still together and you see them often doesn't mean that there is no chance of abandonment issues. Actually, your views of marriage and family speak loudly of your unhappiness with your childhood and deep-seated issues of abandonment and neglect.

I am not a psychologist. I deal with culture. Perhaps if my area was more of juvenile delinquency I would understand abandonment as some sort of predictor of deviant social behavior, and then it would fall into my area. But as it sits now my emphasis is in popular culture.[/b][/quote]
I thought you were an MP3 pirate?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 11:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Carrie@Nov 24 2003, 08:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 10:02 AM
Why would I have abandonment issues if my parents are still married and I still see them often?
As a student of sociology your response here baffles me.
It is not simply the physical presence of your parents that prevent feelings of abandonment, but also emotional attachment.
Your father could be attending to all of his responsibilities and duties as a father and husband, but still leave you feeling as if he doesn't care a thing about you.
Your mother could stay home and care for you night and day, making sure you have food to eat and clean clothes to wear, but still make you feel as if you're unwanted.

Just because your parents are still together and you see them often doesn't mean that there is no chance of abandonment issues. Actually, your views of marriage and family speak loudly of your unhappiness with your childhood and deep-seated issues of abandonment and neglect.

I am not a psychologist. I deal with culture. Perhaps if my area was more of juvenile delinquency I would understand abandonment as some sort of predictor of deviant social behavior, and then it would fall into my area. But as it sits now my emphasis is in popular culture.[/b][/quote]
I really suggest you study it, then. You'd most likely find it fascinating.
Culture is shaped and defined by the people, and people form their realities based on perceptions from childhood.

Quick example for the holidays - kids who were brought up in homes where holidays were a time for large family gatherings and feelings of belonging to something larger than themselves often pass on those same traditions and rituals to their children, forming a macro-culture within the culture of society.

As families become larger and people have more children (what we see happening now), these types of celebrations become more commonplace, and incrementally that macro-culture expands to become society's culture itself. It becomes expected to "go home for the holidays" and partake in large family gatherings.

We're moving back into this direction now, away from where we have been for the past twenty years or so; with smaller families and children far away from their parents, not returning for the holidays, etc. These people (on average) were brought up where career was more important than family and the entire mindset of the "me" generation left children feeling alone and unwanted, especially during the holidays when they'd watch tv movies of everyone around the christmas dinner table. Those kids grew up and changed our culture for nearly 20 years, and now it's changing back as they get older and less focused on themselves.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:21 AM
Oops, missed that one.

I would think my strong family bonds and being around their happy marriage for 18 years would have a positive impact on me.

My views on marriage and children are a result largely of witnessing the failure of others and the anthropological / sociological theories of why they even exist. Study them and you will see just how arbitrary and absurd the institution of marriage and nuclear family is. Both concepts are relatively new and are not a natural occurrence amongst humans.
The institution of marriage is a relatively new concept if you look at history from the time that we were running around in animal skins communicating in guttural noises. :awinky:

However, we've evolved far beyond that and comparing then vs. now is unrealistic. If we're to make any changes, or even learn anything, we have to look at a smaller timeline.

Speaking of making changes - if you are so unhappy with the country and the people in it, why just give up and leave? Why not try to make a change? Teach, run for office, form grassroots actions for the party that is closest to matching your "vision" of what America should be?

Simply leaving is rather defeatist, don't you think?

[Fletch XXX]

Im glad my mom doesnt post on message boards.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 24 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 24 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:21 AM
Oops, missed that one.

I would think my strong family bonds and being around their happy marriage for 18 years would have a positive impact on me.

My views on marriage and children are a result largely of witnessing the failure of others and the anthropological / sociological theories of why they even exist. Study them and you will see just how arbitrary and absurd the institution of marriage and nuclear family is. Both concepts are relatively new and are not a natural occurrence amongst humans.
The institution of marriage is a relatively new concept if you look at history from the time that we were running around in animal skins communicating in guttural noises. :awinky:

However, we've evolved far beyond that and comparing then vs. now is unrealistic. If we're to make any changes, or even learn anything, we have to look at a smaller timeline.

[/b][/quote]

Coupling is nothing new no. Some sort of heavenly sanctified bond resulting in a subservient other is relatively new. The creation of adolescence, the idea of the housewife, and the myriad of other institutions that have sprung up as a result of their creation is only a result of industrialization. Very new.


Speaking of making changes - if you are so unhappy with the country and the people in it, why just give up and leave? Why not try to make a change? Teach, run for office, form grassroots actions for the party that is closest to matching your "vision" of what America should be?

Simply leaving is rather defeatist, don't you think?


Simply, I do not want to waste my time on Americans. They have squandered their inheritance and they will wallow in their own ignorance and suffer the consequences. I welcome it, I do not want to prevent it.

I debated becoming a teacher, turning out generations of little Marxists, but it would be fruitless. I would much rather watch nature take its course. They may come around, but it is going to come at a very serious price.

Like Forest mentioned earlier, there are many up and comers so to speak on the world stage. Dirt poor, highly educated, with a desire to make a change. I would much rather take my chances with them. Much more rewarding.



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 08:43 AM

[PornoDoggy]

Howard Zinn would be so proud ...

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 08:45 AM
Howard Zinn would be so proud ...

Zinn?

The peace advocate?

I do not advocate peace. I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 11:45 AM
Howard Zinn would be so proud ...
..and so would Howard Stern
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 08:45 AM
Howard Zinn would be so proud ...

Zinn?

The peace advocate?

I do not advocate peace. I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.[/b][/quote]
ahhh,
the old axiom ..
"Those who can do -do,
those who can't - teach others"

Labret,
you don't have what it tkes to kill, maim, blow,

IRL, you wouldn't kill a fly...

it's written all over your posts, can't you see it?

I can....

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 08:45 AM
Howard Zinn would be so proud ...

Zinn?

The peace advocate?

I do not advocate peace. I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.[/b][/quote]
Funny, a couple of Maoists told me 30 years ago that I was "of the type" that they would shoot first too. As to who would or wouldn't get shot, I just want you assume that I'm anti-gun/anti-violence because I'm left of center.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 08:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 08:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 24 2003, 08:45 AM
Howard Zinn would be so proud ...

Zinn?

The peace advocate?

I do not advocate peace. I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
ahhh,
the old axiom ..
"Those who can do -do,
those who can't - teach others"

Labret,
you don't have what it tkes to kill, maim, blow,

IRL, you wouldn't kill a fly...

it's written all over your posts, can't you see it?

I can....[/b][/quote]

I know, that is a common theme for you in your critique of me. Dont understand it, dont much care either. Its pure conjecture, its not like I am going to run into the street and shoot the next hick I see to prove otherwise.

True though, I probably wouldnt want such a hands on approach. I think the Chechens and their remote work is brilliant. Puts the terror back in terrorism, without the up close mess.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:54 AM


I know, that is a common theme for you in your critique of me. Dont understand it, dont much care either. Its pure conjecture, its not like I am going to run into the street and shoot the next hick I see to prove otherwise.

True though, I probably wouldnt want such a hands on approach. I think the Chechens and their remote work is brilliant. Puts the terror back in terrorism, without the up close mess.
critique???? I don't critique, I just post my observations, and if you don't like what you see in the mirror,
blame it on mirror
;-)))

glad you confirm I have a good eye for people, Mr. Sociologist
;-)))

as for Chechens,
I can't wait to hear your stories AFTER you get back from visiting htem...

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 08:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:54 AM


I know, that is a common theme for you in your critique of me. Dont understand it, dont much care either. Its pure conjecture, its not like I am going to run into the street and shoot the next hick I see to prove otherwise.

True though, I probably wouldnt want such a hands on approach. I think the Chechens and their remote work is brilliant. Puts the terror back in terrorism, without the up close mess.
critique???? I don't critique, I just post my observations, and if you don't like what you see in the mirror,
blame it on mirror
;-)))

glad you confirm I have a good eye for people, Mr. Sociologist
;-)))

as for Chechens,
I can't wait to hear your stories AFTER you get back from visiting htem...[/b][/quote]
Why would I go to Chechnya?

I like the way Al Queda operates but I sure as hell wont be tracking them down anytime soon. I get giddy when I think about the ballet that is a Palestinian suicide martyr, but you wont find me in the west bank anytime soon.

A common theme you will get from me, I like to learn from others regardless of their beliefs.

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:04 PM

Why would I go to Chechnya?

I like the way Al Queda operates but I sure as hell wont be tracking them down anytime soon. I get giddy when I think about the ballet that is a Palestinian suicide martyr, but you wont find me in the west bank anytime soon.

A common theme you will get from me, I like to learn from others regardless of their beliefs.
I thought you posted yesterday you like to watch cancer from within...ahh..you've been misquoted and misunderstood again
;-)))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 09:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:04 PM

Why would I go to Chechnya?

I like the way Al Queda operates but I sure as hell wont be tracking them down anytime soon. I get giddy when I think about the ballet that is a Palestinian suicide martyr, but you wont find me in the west bank anytime soon.

A common theme you will get from me, I like to learn from others regardless of their beliefs.
I thought you posted yesterday you like to watch cancer from within...ahh..you've been misquoted and misunderstood again
;-)))[/b][/quote]

Oh you thought I meant the Palestinians were the cancer? You silly bitch. I was referring to Israel.

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:09 PM
You silly bitch.
are you stating the fact or your opinion?

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
IRL you don't have the sack for it

On a message board you can say it for fun and a reaction

IRL I have the feeling you'd be hiding deep in the old folks smell
:biglaugh:

[Vick]

Madman drummers bummers and Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat
In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat
With a boulder on my shoulder feelin' kinda older I tripped the merry-go-round
With this very unpleasing sneezing and wheezing the calliope crashed to the ground


Some all-hot half-shot was headin' for the hot spot snappin' his fingers clappin' his hands
And some fleshpot mascot was tied into a lover's knot with a whatnot in her hand
And now young Scott with a slingshot finally found a tender spot and throws his lover in the sand
And some bloodshot forget-menot whispers daddy's within earshot save the buckshot turn up the band

[Vick]

Some brimstone baritone anticyclone rolling stone preacher from the east
He says: "Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in its funny bone, that's where they expect it least"

And some new-mown chaperone was standin' in the corner all alone watchin' the young girls dance
And some fresh-sown moonstone was messin' with his frozen zone to remind him of the feeling of romance

[Vick]

Some silicone sister with her manager's mister told me I got what it takes
She said I'll turn you on sonny to something strong if you play that song with the funky break
And go-cart Mozart was checkin' out the weather chart to see if it was safe to go outside
And little Early-Pearly came in by her curly-wurly and asked me if I needed a ride


Oh, some hazard from Harvard was skunked on beer playin' backyard bombardier
Yes and Scotland Yard was trying hard, with a calling card,
he said, do what you like, but don't do it here
Well I jumped up, spit in the air, fell on the ground, asked wich was the way back home
He said take a right at the light, keep going straight until right, and then boy you're on your own



Last edited by Vick at Nov 24 2003, 12:41 PM

[Vick]

And now in Zanzibar a shootin' star was ridin' in a side car hummin' a lunar tune
Yes, and the avatar said blow the bar but first remove the cookie jar, we're gonna teach those boys to laugh too soon


And some kidnapped handicap was complaining that he caught the clap from some mousetrap he bought last night
Well I unsnapped his skull cap and between his ears I saw a gap but he'd figured he'd be all right

[Vick]

He was just blinded by the light. Cut loose like a deuce
Another runner in the night. Blinded by the light
His Mama always told him not to look into the sights of the sun
Oh but mama that's where the fun is

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Originally posted by Vick+Nov 24 2003, 12:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 24 2003, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
IRL you don't have the sack for it

On a message board you can say it for fun and a reaction

IRL I have the feeling you'd be hiding deep in the old folks smell
:biglaugh:[/b][/quote]
yeap....
when I was 14, there was a bully in school who was getting toi me every chance he had...untill one day, I lost it completelly and dropped him on the floor, in front of his entire class and was stopped by my 2 class mates after his face looked like a blown up tomatoe...

NOW I know what I can and can't do...

Hopefully Labret will learn his lessons, and limitations, and abilities one day...
I glad I learned them early in life.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 24 2003, 09:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 24 2003, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
IRL you don't have the sack for it

On a message board you can say it for fun and a reaction

IRL I have the feeling you'd be hiding deep in the old folks smell
:biglaugh:[/b][/quote]

Never was sure how to respond to conjecture such as this, esp after Serge already said it and I replied to it. I suppose I can kneejerk and threaten to bury a screwdriver into your skull, but that would be silly.

Much the same way that if your old ass was ever standing before me I can assure you the last thought on your mind would be sticking your "foot up my ass". Cut back on the geritol gramps.

manfred man and floyd. Total nightmare.

[[Labret]]

edit



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:48 PM
edit
want me to post unedited version?
I havce it
;-))))

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:48 PM
edit
want me to post unedited version?
I havce it
;-))))[/b][/quote]
No need. Lets just say it will end the whole debate. I should have them around xmas.

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Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 12:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 09:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:48 PM
edit
want me to post unedited version?
I havce it
;-))))
No need. Lets just say it will end the whole debate. I should have them around xmas.[/b][/quote]
I was kidding, I never read waht you erased...now you have me intrigued...
were you talking bazookas or fur laced condoms?
;_)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 12:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Vick@Nov 24 2003, 09:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
IRL you don't have the sack for it

On a message board you can say it for fun and a reaction

IRL I have the feeling you'd be hiding deep in the old folks smell
:biglaugh:

Never was sure how to respond to conjecture such as this, esp after Serge already said it and I replied to it. I suppose I can kneejerk and threaten to bury a screwdriver into your skull, but that would be silly.

Much the same way that if your old ass was ever standing before me I can assure you the last thought on your mind would be sticking your "foot up my ass". Cut back on the geritol gramps.

manfred man and floyd. Total nightmare.[/b][/quote]
You are lost ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

It's Springsteen and in this case the writing is phenomenal
Do you get the rhyming scheme (and the couplets)?

Much less the tendering of subject matter

The funnier part is you don't know how young I am ah ha ha ha ha ha

I'd love to see the post you edited, do you have the sack to bring it back?

[Vick]

Did you write the Book of Love
And do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so
Do you believe in rock 'n roll
Can music save your mortal soul

Bye-bye, Miss [Labret] Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee
But the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die

[kath]

Wow... miss a weekend - miss a LOT! I promise never to be AFK this long again. Whew! What a LOT of reading - and well worth it!

Good thread guys... oh and Vick, thanks for clarifying what that "thing" was in your avatar. Ewwww. And... I like your NEW avatar. Nice change! The psycho clown was scaring me way before the creepy turkey leg ever did. :blink:

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 24 2003, 09:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 24 2003, 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by -Vick@Nov 24 2003, 09:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
IRL you don't have the sack for it

On a message board you can say it for fun and a reaction

IRL I have the feeling you'd be hiding deep in the old folks smell
:biglaugh:

Never was sure how to respond to conjecture such as this, esp after Serge already said it and I replied to it. I suppose I can kneejerk and threaten to bury a screwdriver into your skull, but that would be silly.

Much the same way that if your old ass was ever standing before me I can assure you the last thought on your mind would be sticking your "foot up my ass". Cut back on the geritol gramps.

manfred man and floyd. Total nightmare.
You are lost ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

It's Springsteen and in this case the writing is phenomenal
Do you get the rhyming scheme (and the couplets)?

Much less the tendering of subject matter

The funnier part is you don't know how young I am ah ha ha ha ha ha

I'd love to see the post you edited, do you have the sack to bring it back?[/b][/quote]
funny, google says differently.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...eenage+diplomat (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Madman+drummers+bummers+and+Indians+in+the+summe r+with+a+teenage+diplomat)

Manfred, Springsteen, all suck so in the end it doesnt matter. Lyrics by: Bruce Springsteen

Sack? Its a message board, you require a sack to talk shit?



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 24 2003, 10:00 AM

[Vick]

And while Lennon read a book of Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died
We were singin' ...

Bye-bye, Miss [Labret] Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee
But the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinking' whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die


You're wrong. Springsteen penned "Blinded by the Light" in 1973 on his first album "Greetings from Asbury Park" - actually a very well written album - I don't much care for Springsteen's later work
Manfred Mann later had a hit with their cover of it (around 1979 I believe)

ah ha ha ha ha ha

So bring back your edited post

[Vick]

Originally posted by kath@Nov 24 2003, 12:57 PM
Wow... miss a weekend - miss a LOT! I promise never to be AFK this long again. Whew! What a LOT of reading - and well worth it!

Good thread guys... oh and Vick, thanks for clarifying what that "thing" was in your avatar. Ewwww. And... I like your NEW avatar. Nice change! The psycho clown was scaring me way before the creepy turkey leg ever did. :blink:
The new one is Professor Snape in his classroom, I actually bear a slight resemblance to Snape currently

[Vick]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Nov 24 2003, 12:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Nov 24 2003, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Vick@Nov 24 2003, 09:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--[Labret]@Nov 24 2003, 11:47 AM
I advocate nothing short of a bloody revolution where I can drag people like you into the streets and dump a round into the back of your head.
IRL you don't have the sack for it

On a message board you can say it for fun and a reaction

IRL I have the feeling you'd be hiding deep in the old folks smell
:biglaugh:

Never was sure how to respond to conjecture such as this, esp after Serge already said it and I replied to it. I suppose I can kneejerk and threaten to bury a screwdriver into your skull, but that would be silly.

Much the same way that if your old ass was ever standing before me I can assure you the last thought on your mind would be sticking your "foot up my ass".[/b][/quote]
It's bad form to make physical threats on a message board, no body needs keyboard warriors

That being said I guess we won't know unless it ever happens IRL
and that would be a very poor choice on your part

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 24 2003, 01:23 PM

It's bad form to make physical threats on a message board, no body needs keyboard warriors

That being said I guess we won't know unless it ever happens IRL
and that would be a very poor choice on your part
Vick, it's ALL in the adrenalin...
I once lifted me ex's ex husband who was 200 pounds more than me and threw him out of the door...

the ONLY way to find what one can or can't do is...do it.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 01:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 24 2003, 01:23 PM

It's bad form to make physical threats on a message board, no body needs keyboard warriors

That being said I guess we won't know unless it ever happens IRL
and that would be a very poor choice on your part
Vick, it's ALL in the adrenalin...
I once lifted me ex's ex husband who was 200 pounds more than me and threw him out of the door...

the ONLY way to find what one can or can't do is...do it.[/b][/quote]
Yeap - that and how bad do you want it or how much does it mean to you

We've all seen overachievers who achieve because it means that much to them :awinky:

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 10:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 24 2003, 01:23 PM

It's bad form to make physical threats on a message board, no body needs keyboard warriors

That being said I guess we won't know unless it ever happens IRL
and that would be a very poor choice on your part
Vick, it's ALL in the adrenalin...
I once lifted me ex's ex husband who was 200 pounds more than me and threw him out of the door...

the ONLY way to find what one can or can't do is...do it.[/b][/quote]
hahahaha no shit Serge?? You'd ave a hell of a time doing that with me I can tell ya. Me and gravity are very well acquainted. Id give Arnold a hernia! heh heh

spaz

[Evil Chris]

Don McLean's American Pie makes me puke. Sorry Vick... <_<

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by spazlabz+Nov 24 2003, 01:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spazlabz @ Nov 24 2003, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 24 2003, 01:23 PM

It's bad form to make physical threats on a message board, no body needs keyboard warriors

That being said I guess we won't know unless it ever happens IRL
and that would be a very poor choice on your part
Vick, it's ALL in the adrenalin...
I once lifted me ex's ex husband who was 200 pounds more than me and threw him out of the door...

the ONLY way to find what one can or can't do is...do it.
hahahaha no shit Serge?? You'd ave a hell of a time doing that with me I can tell ya. Me and gravity are very well acquainted. Id give Arnold a hernia! heh heh

spaz[/b][/quote]
well, I had mitigating circumstances....my daughter was 3 days old, just out of the hospital, and I don't even remember now what set me off...

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 24 2003, 10:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 24 2003, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -spazlabz@Nov 24 2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 24 2003, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 24 2003, 01:23 PM

It's bad form to make physical threats on a message board, no body needs keyboard warriors

That being said I guess we won't know unless it ever happens IRL
and that would be a very poor choice on your part
Vick, it's ALL in the adrenalin...
I once lifted me ex's ex husband who was 200 pounds more than me and threw him out of the door...

the ONLY way to find what one can or can't do is...do it.
hahahaha no shit Serge?? You'd ave a hell of a time doing that with me I can tell ya. Me and gravity are very well acquainted. Id give Arnold a hernia! heh heh

spaz
well, I had mitigating circumstances....my daughter was 3 days old, just out of the hospital, and I don't even remember now what set me off...[/b][/quote]
Maybe I should restate what I said
I mean I would like to see that in Theory Only! LOL I dont even wanna think about how pissed I would have to get someone for them to toss me out a door...............and then forget why they did it!!. I would imagine I'd have a lot worse things to worry about then the bump on the ass I'd get when I landed

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Spaz, it was over 15 years ago and the guy is dead now...heart attack
;-((
all kinda irrelevant...

[Vick]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Nov 24 2003, 01:53 PM
Don McLean's American Pie makes me puke. Sorry Vick... <_<
No need to be sorry

That's why there are different flavors of Ice Cream

I throughly enjoy the writing as McLean metaphorically describes how Rock died to him with the coming of the Beatles/the 60's and the end of the 50's era music - no more sock hops :( and many other meaningful things

For me it is an amazing piece of work

[BRISK]

People's reactions towards Labret are always entertaining and educational. Labret has excellent debating skills, and I've always enjoyed reading threads involving his thoughts.

These boards would be fairly boring places if they were full of people that shared your opinions.

[Vick]

Originally posted by BRISK@Nov 25 2003, 12:17 AM
These boards would be fairly boring places if they were full of people that shared your opinions.
well said and very true


One thing has occurred to me, Labret is educated but is like ....

.... a man who thinks he is the best sex in the world because he has studied sex for 10 years ......

.... but has never had sex

What Labret has shared here thus far is all (theory) from study and no practical experiences or application

and it's doesn't matter if you studied sex from people who have had the most amazing documented sexual experiences ....

.... it's not the same until you do it yourself


I used sex as an example because it's something everyone can relate to

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 24 2003, 09:24 PM
One thing has occurred to me, Labret is educated but is like ....

.... a man who thinks he is the best sex in the world because he has studied sex for 10 years ......

.... but has never had sex

What Labret has shared here thus far is all (theory) from study and no practical experiences or application

and it's doesn't matter if you studied sex from people who have had the most amazing documented sexual experiences ....

.... it's not the same until you do it yourself


I used sex as an example because it's something everyone can relate to
Hmm.. I have to disagree with you there. I haven't seen any posts by labret that would indicate he has no practical experience. You only say that. :)

edit: bad wording.



Last edited by TeenGodFather at Nov 24 2003, 09:45 PM

[BRISK]

I find it interesting how all these Labret threads can manage to be so long and yet are always full of people that declare that they don't care about Labret, his opinions mean nothing, and he lacks intelligence.

In the next "Labret is an idiot" thread, the same people will be back to declare that they don't care about Labret, his opinions mean nothing, and he lacks intelligence.

Why do people make it a habit to repeatedly engage someone they feel is an unintelligent meaningless individual?



Last edited by BRISK at Nov 24 2003, 09:56 PM

[Vick]

TGF - if you read though al the conversations Labret often references studies but never actual field work

- see the top of this thread for an example
witnessing the failure of others and the anthropological / sociological theories of why they even exist

Not that he had an actual relationship (which he said he had 2) or interviewed anyone from a relationship

Or 2 references to "Members of Frankfurt School" in This Thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7494&s=23f7cf9415c8d82daf3f9a968da73073) but no evidence of field work or practical experience such as being an A & R person or being chosen as a consultant for his knowledge in the field

TGF do you have any funny pics (or more stories), you're really good with those - like maybe one of you in the Ballerina outfit you mentioned earlier :biglaugh:


BRISK - I'll now say he is educated but lacking in actual experience and see my post above for further thoughts on the subject