Obscenity Prosecutions...Learn from the past....

[sarettah]

http://www.ainews.com/story/5843/

The time is soon upon the adult Internet industry where companies will be fighting for their lives, and their owners will be fighting for their freedom. Attorneys and other industry leaders will have little time to write articles and give speeches, to provide the industry with the benefit of our experiences. Instead, we'll be fighting in courtrooms across the country and endlessly toiling away on legal briefs and motions, in the effort to ward off the new wave of government censorship. It is this author's sincere hope that those selected for obscenity prosecution will stand and fight, and that other industry participants will support those defendants in their efforts. Tammy and Herbert Robinson stood and fought, and their "Notice of Dismissal" hangs on this author's wall as an eternal reminder of their courage and vigilance. Their actions should truly be an inspiration to an industry under siege. If the defendants in the next round of cases show the same courage and tenacity, the government is likely to rethink the wisdom of its censorship campaign.


http://www.bitsntits.com/adult000001.htm

[Fletch XXX]

we are all lagerniks

:stout:

[Mike AI]

That is a long winded article.

Fighting back is important... and it does not just end with criminal legal issues as well!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 22 2003, 07:01 PM
That is a long winded article.

Fighting back is important... and it does not just end with criminal legal issues as well!
MikeAI, my wife was on the panel with Larry and the talk among panelists was:
"let's scare them"!

buy EVERYTHING coming from the mouth of a lawyer with a grain of salt

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 07:23 PM
buy EVERYTHING coming from the mouth of a lawyer with a grain of salt
As well as anything said on a board. :groucho:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Nov 22 2003, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Nov 22 2003, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 07:23 PM
buy EVERYTHING coming from the mouth of a lawyer with a grain of salt
As well as anything said on a board. :groucho:[/b][/quote]
..unless you heard it from me
;-)))

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 22 2003, 08:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 22 2003, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Dravyk@Nov 22 2003, 08:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 07:23 PM
buy EVERYTHING coming from the mouth of a lawyer with a grain of salt
As well as anything said on a board. :groucho:
..unless you heard it from me
;-)))[/b][/quote]
There are always exceptions to the rules. :rolleyes:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Nov 22 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Nov 22 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by -Dravyk@Nov 22 2003, 08:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 07:23 PM
buy EVERYTHING coming from the mouth of a lawyer with a grain of salt
As well as anything said on a board. :groucho:
..unless you heard it from me
;-)))
There are always exceptions to the rules. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
I know... I write them
;-)))

[nlphoto]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 22 2003, 07:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 22 2003, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Dravyk@Nov 22 2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by -Dravyk@Nov 22 2003, 08:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 22 2003, 07:23 PM
buy EVERYTHING coming from the mouth of a lawyer with a grain of salt
As well as anything said on a board. :groucho:
..unless you heard it from me
;-)))
There are always exceptions to the rules. :rolleyes:
I know... I write them
;-)))[/b][/quote]
The best rules are never broken... they are bent into loopholes... :awinky:

[KRL]

Where most people blunder right off the bat is taking a hostile posture towards the prosecutors, US Attorney, AG, or whoever it is coming after you.

Deal with them respectfully, professionally, and with extreme deference and in many cases you can work deals to get yourself out of it without much hassle or legal expense.

I had an obscenity situation years ago when the phone sex industry started and we were one of the largest and most visible players. At the time there were no applicable statutes yet written pertaining to telephonically distributed pornography so there wasn't much guidance for the first companies to go by.

Anyway a state AG set his sights on us and we dealt with it head on, but in a very tactical manner, and we ended up getting out of it completely with minimal legal costs, and no hassles thereafter.

When you go in with boxing gloves on you're going to get a fight and most times its not a pretty picture when its over. Go in and negotiate a deal with your mind and words and you can get a win-win for both sides and walk away with your money intact and nothing on your record.



Last edited by KRL at Nov 23 2003, 01:33 AM

[Hooper]

Most of the industry lawyers are like car sales people. They continue to try to convince all of us that we are in deep deep shit... but that THEY can save us.

If they had nothing to sell I would believe them... but they do have something to sell, so I dont.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by KRL@Nov 23 2003, 01:31 AM
Where most people blunder right off the bat is taking a hostile posture towards the prosecutors, US Attorney, AG, or whoever it is coming after you.

Deal with them respectfully, professionally, and with extreme deference and in many cases you can work deals to get yourself out of it without much hassle or legal expense.

I had an obscenity situation years ago when the phone sex industry started and we were one of the largest and most visible players. At the time there were no applicable statutes yet written pertaining to telephonically distributed pornography so there wasn't much guidance for the first companies to go by.

Anyway a state AG set his sights on us and we dealt with it head on, but in a very tactical manner, and we ended up getting out of it completely with minimal legal costs, and no hassles thereafter.

When you go in with boxing gloves on you're going to get a fight and most times its not a pretty picture when its over. Go in and negotiate a deal with your mind and words and you can get a win-win for both sides and walk away with your money intact and nothing on your record.


This is great advice. People should learn from it. I promise you more people have gotten themselves into trouble from having a chip on their shoulder then for their pornographic exploits.

Same goes for dealing with cops....

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Hooper@Nov 23 2003, 02:28 AM
Most of the industry lawyers are like car sales people. They continue to try to convince all of us that we are in deep deep shit... but that THEY can save us.

If they had nothing to sell I would believe them... but they do have something to sell, so I dont.


Amen to this as well. Not sure who the huckester who was across from my booth in Florida. But this cat jumped me early and went on how I am at risk, and he can take care fo everything, I need to put him on retainer....

I was like I am a MORON, back off.... I hate attorneys.... :D Which is a true statement!