USD in the shitter

[TeenGodFather]

Does it impact you americans at all? People from europe being paid in USD have been hit pretty hard, I know I have. My business has grown quite a bit, yet I make less euros than earlier. Which sucks.

All retards on gfy have comments like "if you don't like usd, don't use it".. fuck that, do I have options? "Move to usa if your income is in usd".. yeah, I can just move into usa..I'm not a fucking mexican, I'd get kicked out after 3 months. whoopee. "make more signups to make up to it", no shit sherlock.. really, I'm trying to cut down on my signups.. signups = bad.

Does anyone have any creative comments about this. I'm not a hater, but I hate retarded remarks. :)

I just felt like ranting since I've vouched not to post on gfy for a while. sorry. :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Nov 20 2003, 07:29 AM
Does it impact you americans at all? People from europe being paid in USD have been hit pretty hard, I know I have. My business has grown quite a bit, yet I make less euros than earlier. Which sucks.

All retards on gfy have comments like "if you don't like usd, don't use it".. fuck that, do I have options? "Move to usa if your income is in usd".. yeah, I can just move into usa..I'm not a fucking mexican, I'd get kicked out after 3 months. whoopee. "make more signups to make up to it", no shit sherlock.. really, I'm trying to cut down on my signups.. signups = bad.

Does anyone have any creative comments about this. I'm not a hater, but I hate retarded remarks. :)

I just felt like ranting since I've vouched not to post on gfy for a while. sorry. :)
TGF, us, americvans, are not affected by US$ much...yes, it costs more to travel, but...the price of tix went down, so this si not an issue.

If I were in your shoes,
I'd open a DOLLAR acount.

as we all know, currencies, like any other commodities, fluctuate.
Today Euro is high, yesterday dollar was high and tomorrow it all gonna change again.

This way you avoid losses on currencies COMPLETELY

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 20 2003, 04:33 AM
TGF, us, americvans, are not affected by US$ much...yes, it costs more to travel, but...the price of tix went down, so this si not an issue.

If I were in your shoes,
I'd open a DOLLAR acount.

as we all know, currencies, like any other commodities, fluctuate.
Today Euro is high, yesterday dollar was high and tomorrow it all gonna change again.

This way you avoid losses on currencies COMPLETELY
I have a $ account and I keep all my income there. But, unfortunately I need to buy things like food sometimes. :)

Lucky for me that my hosting, content and every expense is in usd. Otherwise I'd be fucked. :)

I better tap into the finnish market and take it over, and get payments in euros. :)



Last edited by TeenGodFather at Nov 20 2003, 04:36 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 07:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 20 2003, 04:33 AM
TGF, us, americvans, are not affected by US$ much...yes, it costs more to travel, but...the price of tix went down, so this si not an issue.

If I were in your shoes,
I'd open a DOLLAR acount.

as we all know, currencies, like any other commodities, fluctuate.
Today Euro is high, yesterday dollar was high and tomorrow it all gonna change again.

This way you avoid losses on currencies COMPLETELY
I have a $ account and I keep all my income there. But, unfortunately I need to buy things like food sometimes. :)

Lucky for me that my hosting, content and every expense is in usd. Otherwise I'd be fucked. :)

I better tap into the finnish market and take it over, and get payments in euros. :)[/b][/quote]
if you kept some money in the euro acount when US$ was high, you wouldn't have this problem now.

I guess being on GFY at that time prevented you from looking ahead...

this si like an investment porfolio...
doesn't matter where the market goes, mine is very stable and collects interest
;-))

you can do the same with currencies.

[Rolo]

Right now I think the US is happy because it helps export more goods from the US, and I also think the EU is happy because it will have a positiv effect on inflation, and since most EU countries have debt in US dollars, then it will be cheaper for them to pay back loans etc.

However it will impact the US negativ if the dollar gets too low, since then investors will slowdown their investments in the US, and it will also impact the EU because their products will be more expensive on the world market.

My guess is another rapid fall in 5-10% range, and it will make either the US or EU do something.

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 20 2003, 04:39 AM
if you kept some money in the euro acount when US$ was high, you wouldn't have this problem now.

I guess being on GFY at that time prevented you from looking ahead...

this si like an investment porfolio...
doesn't matter where the market goes, mine is very stable and collects interest
;-))

you can do the same with currencies.
Unfortunately I have yet to make my millions... so even though I have small amounts of money in euros, it won't make me feel warm and fuzzy since I'm more intrested in the money I still have to make. :(

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 07:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 07:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Nov 20 2003, 04:39 AM
if you kept some money in the euro acount when US$ was high, you wouldn't have this problem now.

I guess being on GFY at that time prevented you from looking ahead...

this si like an investment porfolio...
doesn't matter where the market goes, mine is very stable and collects interest
;-))

you can do the same with currencies.
Unfortunately I have yet to make my millions... so even though I have small amounts of money in euros, it won't make me feel warm and fuzzy since I'm more intrested in the money I still have to make. :([/b][/quote]
well...there is something else you can do...
buy puts on US$

if it deteriorates futher, you won't be affected

[Almighty Colin]

There's a simple point regarding US currency exchange rates that webmasters sometimes miss. The US Dollar was historically high in the late 1990's. All that has happened is it has returned in the direction of it's historical norm. The US dollar index today is about the same as it was in 1995. The adult internet really took off at just the time the dollar was moving to a relative high. Many webmasters started in this period and think of those rates as "normal". The 1996-1999 dollar, though, was not "normal". 1996-early 2002 was a period of an UNUSUALLY strong US dollar.

This is further exacerbated for European webmasters since the introduction of the Euro occured in the same time period and most younger people's recollection of exchange rates only goes back that far.

Welcome to Normal. Population, 12.

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Colin@Nov 20 2003, 05:01 AM
There's a simple point regarding US currency exchange rates that webmasters sometimes miss.


Welcome to Normal. Population, 12.
Doesn't mean it sucks any less for me ;)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 08:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Nov 20 2003, 05:01 AM
There's a simple point regarding US currency exchange rates that webmasters sometimes miss.


Welcome to Normal. Population, 12.
Doesn't mean it sucks any less for me ;)[/b][/quote]
well...
how do you pay for airline tix on Expedia?
$ or Euros?

[wig]

On Oprano, we all learned of the Dollar's fate in January 2002.

Plenty of time to take appropriate action. :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 08:15 AM
On Oprano, we all learned of the Dollar's fate in January 2002.

Plenty of time to take appropriate action. :okthumb:
true...wig told me where it's going in Vegas during convention, January 2002, at dinner sponsored by Cyberglide, Sharky and Mach10

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 20 2003, 05:14 AM
well...
how do you pay for airline tix on Expedia?
$ or Euros?
I bought my tickets to amsterdam with euros.
:(

[wig]

Good Morning, Serge.

What income investments have you been picking up lately?

[Wizzo]

This may seem like a smartass remark, but it's meant to be serious.... Why don't you start a paysite and charge in Euros. I know there's lots of EU webmasters that would be willing to promote it and I think guys in EU like porn as much as US guys...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 08:24 AM
Good Morning, Serge.

What income investments have you been picking up lately?
Auction Rate Preffereds..7 day municipal, tax free paper at 1.1% a year..
beats the MM...plus inflation indexed CD's

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Wizzo@Nov 20 2003, 05:39 AM
This may seem like a smartass remark, but it's meant to be serious.... Why don't you start a paysite and charge in Euros. I know there's lots of EU webmasters that would be willing to promote it and I think guys in EU like porn as much as US guys...
It's under consideration.

But We are going to make a finnish paysite for sure that will indeed charge in euros, I don't know whether or not we'll be making that available for affiliates though.

[Trev]

Try converting US$ into UK£ and then you'll see a world of hurt.. but it's something I've had to get used to, I keep my dollars for when it's strong against the pound and then change it...

at $35 per sign-up it means the difference between:

$35 converting into £17
and
$35 converting into £26

One question I do have is why you say “signups = bad”?

I’m a firm believer that sign-ups = very very good

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Trev@Nov 20 2003, 05:58 AM
One question I do have is why you say “signups = bad”?

I’m a firm believer that sign-ups = very very good
Sarcasm doesn't transfer very well over BBS's I assume. :)

Anyways, also regarding Wizzo's suggestion.. most of my income has been coming from other webmasters for designs. So I can't start charging euros for my designs.. US based clients for some reason do not want to send euro wires. So I always get my payments in USD (even from european webmasters for some peculiar reason).. :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 09:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 09:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Nov 20 2003, 05:58 AM
One question I do have is why you say “signups = bad”?

I’m a firm believer that sign-ups = very very good
Sarcasm doesn't transfer very well over BBS's I assume. :)

Anyways, also regarding Wizzo's suggestion.. most of my income has been coming from other webmasters for designs. So I can't start charging euros for my designs.. US based clients for some reason do not want to send euro wires. So I always get my payments in USD (even from european webmasters for some peculiar reason).. :)[/b][/quote]
raise the prices...don't be affraid of the high tags...

[Trev]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 04:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Nov 20 2003, 05:58 AM
One question I do have is why you say “signups = bad”?

I’m a firm believer that sign-ups = very very good
Sarcasm doesn't transfer very well over BBS's I assume. :)

Anyways, also regarding Wizzo's suggestion.. most of my income has been coming from other webmasters for designs. So I can't start charging euros for my designs.. US based clients for some reason do not want to send euro wires. So I always get my payments in USD (even from european webmasters for some peculiar reason).. :)[/b][/quote]
I must have come over wrong as there was no sarcasm intended, I was legitimately interested in why you posted in your first post that signups = bad.

:)

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Trev@Nov 20 2003, 06:05 AM
I must have come over wrong as there was no sarcasm intended, I was legitimately interested in why you posted in your first post that signups = bad.

:)
I was sarcastic there. lol.

[Trev]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 04:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Nov 20 2003, 06:05 AM
I must have come over wrong as there was no sarcasm intended, I was legitimately interested in why you posted in your first post that signups = bad.

:)
I was sarcastic there. lol.[/b][/quote]
DOH!!

You'll have to excuse me it's my time of the month... erm... I think us men call it... moron week lol


I've got my fingers crossed that my moron week ends soon :D

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by Trev@Nov 20 2003, 06:10 AM
I've got my fingers crossed that my moron week ends soon :D
Good luck. I've been waiting for it to end for years on my part.

[wig]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 20 2003, 08:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 20 2003, 08:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 08:24 AM
Good Morning, Serge.

What income investments have you been picking up lately?
Auction Rate Preffereds..7 day municipal, tax free paper at 1.1% a year..
beats the MM...plus inflation indexed CD's[/b][/quote]
Damn... Holding on to CASH is harder than I thought, but with returns like that I will have to manage.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 09:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 09:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Trev@Nov 20 2003, 05:58 AM
One question I do have is why you say “signups = bad”?

I’m a firm believer that sign-ups = very very good
Sarcasm doesn't transfer very well over BBS's I assume. :)

Anyways, also regarding Wizzo's suggestion.. most of my income has been coming from other webmasters for designs. So I can't start charging euros for my designs.. US based clients for some reason do not want to send euro wires. So I always get my payments in USD (even from european webmasters for some peculiar reason).. :)[/b][/quote]
Sarcasm = ;-)
Serge's Sarcasm = ;-)))

There's always a formula.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather+Nov 20 2003, 08:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TeenGodFather @ Nov 20 2003, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Nov 20 2003, 05:01 AM
There's a simple point regarding US currency exchange rates that webmasters sometimes miss.


Welcome to Normal. Population, 12.
Doesn't mean it sucks any less for me ;)[/b][/quote]
Just wait long enough and the next run back up will feel like the dollar is exploding ;-)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by wig+Nov 20 2003, 09:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Nov 20 2003, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 20 2003, 08:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 08:24 AM
Good Morning, Serge.

What income investments have you been picking up lately?
Auction Rate Preffereds..7 day municipal, tax free paper at 1.1% a year..
beats the MM...plus inflation indexed CD's
Damn... Holding on to CASH is harder than I thought, but with returns like that I will have to manage.[/b][/quote]
everything is relative...
.01% return on 100 mils is better than 100% return on $1000
;-))))

[wig]

Too bad I don't have 100mm. :groucho:

[LadyMischief]

I'm not overly pleased about the weak US dollar, especially in comparison to the Canadian. It's been a LONG time since the Canadian dollar looked so good, and I assure you it's not because of a stronger Canadian economy, but a weaker US one. I'm stockpiling US money in a US account and only taking what I need, because eventually the tables will turn again. When they do, I will be ready for them. It's as good an excuse to save as any, I guess.

[Carrie]

I'll be happy to hold everyone's USD right here in my tight little fingers.






Just don't expect to get it back.... :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 09:43 AM
Too bad I don't have 100mm. :groucho:
neither do I...but I am working on it

[Mike AI]

The Federal Gov't is printing money like mad. They are purposely deflating the dollar because it is a cheap way of helping the US economy. It makes US good cheaper thus helping manufacturers and those who export out of the Country. It also helps adjust trade imbalances.


While it does not effect most Americans, I think that the Bush Administration is going to far - I think currency should be set and controled by free markets.

[wig]

The Federal Reserve is here to stay.

PPL just need to learn how to deal with it.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:29 AM
The Federal Reserve is here to stay.

PPL just need to learn how to deal with it.
Haha. I've been trying to tell Buff that ;-)

[wig]

Originally posted by Colin+Nov 20 2003, 10:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 20 2003, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:29 AM
The Federal Reserve is here to stay.

PPL just need to learn how to deal with it.
Haha. I've been trying to tell Buff that ;-)[/b][/quote]
Buff must be waiting for a total economic collapse, deflation or hyper-inflation and even then, it is still likely that a central bank will exist going forward.

The average person just does not understand how central banking works.

If everyone understood it, Buff could lead the revolution! :salute:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by wig+Nov 20 2003, 10:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Nov 20 2003, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Nov 20 2003, 10:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:29 AM
The Federal Reserve is here to stay.

PPL just need to learn how to deal with it.
Haha. I've been trying to tell Buff that ;-)
Buff must be waiting for a total economic collapse, deflation or hyper-inflation and even then, it is still likely that a central bank will exist going forward.

The average person just does not understand how central banking works.

If everyone understood it, Buff could lead the revolution! :salute:[/b][/quote]


He has been in Canada planning the Revolution with French Canadiens!

HAHA

[JR]

So many reasons the US should join the Euro.



:rokk:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR@Nov 20 2003, 11:17 AM
So many reasons the US should join the Euro.



:rokk:
Who shot JR?

[JR]

Originally posted by Colin+Nov 20 2003, 08:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 20 2003, 08:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Nov 20 2003, 11:17 AM
So many reasons the US should join the Euro.



:rokk:
Who shot JR?[/b][/quote]
are you suggesting he was shot over exchange rates?

[Fletch XXX]

fuck the US dollar and fuck the federal reserve.

my girl has been giving me shit because I put X's through the federal reserve logo on new money i get. especially those new 20's they want you to spend. fuck their money. its not ours, its Fiat money and every dollar is interest earning for rich power families.

tell the power families they can keep their money and give us back our freedom.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

read.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 20 2003, 09:11 AM

[JR]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 09:10 AM
fuck the US dollar and fuck the federal reserve.

my girl has been giving me shit because I put X's through the federal reserve logo on new money i get. especially those new 20's they want you to spend. fuck their money. its not ours, its Fiat money and every dollar is interest earning for rich power families.

tell the power families they can keep their money and give us back our freedom.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

read.
ok.

done.

waiting for an answer.

[Fletch XXX]

'In my lectures throughout this nation, and in my appearances on many radio and television programs, I have sounded the toxin that the Federal Reserve System is not Federal; it has no reserves; and it is not a system at all, but rather, a criminal syndicate. From November, 1910, when the conspirators met on Jekyll Island, Georgia, to the present time, the machinations of the Federal Reserve bankers have been shrouded in secrecy. Today, that secrecy has cost the American people a three trillion dollar debt, with annual interest payments to these bankers amounting to some three hundred billion dollars per year, sums which stagger the imagination, and which in themselves are ultimately unpayable.'

'A central bank always imposes a tremendous burden on the nation for "rearmament" and "defense", in order to create inextinguishable debt, simultaneously creating a military dictatorship and enslaving the people to pay the "interest" on the debt which the bankers have artificially created.'

'These developments following the passing of the Federal Reserve Act proved every one of the allegations Thomas Jefferson had made against a central bank in 1791: that the subscribers to the Federal Reserve Bank stock had formed a corporation, whose stock could be and was held by aliens; that this stock would be transmitted to a certain line of successors; that it would be placed beyond forfeiture and escheat; that they would receive a monopoly of banking, which was against the laws of monopoly; and that they now had the power to make laws, paramount to the laws of the states. No state legislature can countermand any of the laws laid down by the Federal Reserve Board of Governors for the benefit of their private stockholders. This board issues laws as to what the interest rate shall be, what the quantity of money shall be and what the price of money shall be. All of these powers abrogate the powers of the state legislatures and their responsibility to the citizens of those states.'

Ask yourself why we defend Israel?

Ask yourself why the Federal Reserve is not owned by any Americans.



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 20 2003, 09:27 AM

[Fletch XXX]

And whether you people can see it or not, its being done in Iraq.

WHo is setting up the Iraq bank? JP Morgan Chase, one being the same family that helped fund the Federal Reseerve.

They create these wars for money thats beyond vision.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,273198...80a6026,00.html (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2731980a6026,00.html)

If it worked once, it will work again.

Keep spending their money.

Id rather burn it.

[Trev]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 07:30 PM
Keep spending their money.

Id rather burn it.
Can it be exchanged for goods and services?

[wig]

I like to ask questions that the answer has a shot at making me money in reality.

Like I said, the general population can't even spell fractional banking, so uncovering the conspiracy falls on deaf ears.

"It is the business we have chosen"

- Hymen Roth

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 09:33 AM
I like to ask questions that the answer has a shot at making me money in reality.

Like I said, the general population can't even spell fractional banking, so uncovering the conspiracy falls on deaf ears.

"It is the business we have chosen"

- Hymen Roth
'Thomas Jefferson warned us a hundred years ago that a private central bank issuing the public currency was a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army.'

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 20 2003, 09:39 AM

[wig]

Fletch, you are preaching to the choir.

I was in investment banking for 12 years and am very versed in the history.

My point is that there are more productive ways to capitalize on the inevitable.

Are you doing anything to capitalize on the realities besides burning your money?

[JR]

aren't aliens at Roswell more important than who owns money? thats some galactic shit.

[cherrylula]

hahaha yeah I try my best to keep the bills in tact before we spend them :yowsa:

...someday when we have enough extra we can make an entire evening out of it hahaha whee

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 09:47 AM
Fletch, you are preaching to the choir.

I was in investment banking for 12 years and am very versed in the history.

My point is that there are more productive ways to capitalize on the inevitable.

Are you doing anything to capitalize on the realities besides burning your money?
Just because people are idiots doesn't mean I shouldn't speak the truth, whether they grasp it or not.

I am not hear to discuss investments, only to deface the govenrnment and its Alien plans and interest earning families that arte in power.

I dont like the fact that some Rockefeller daddy's boy had a say so on what our Federal Reserve logo looks like. That bird and shield is their family crest, nothing to do with Freedom or Liberty.

Fuck them

[Fletch XXX]

Productive ways to me is molotov cocktails and a match.

Am I the only REAL AMERICAN in here?

What happened to the days you picked up a stick and took the town back from the fat mayor that was squeezing dollars out of everyone in town?

[wig]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 12:56 PM
Productive ways to me is molotov cocktails and a match.

Am I the only REAL AMERICAN in here?

What happened to the days you picked up a stick and took the town back from the fat mayor that was squeezing dollars out of everyone in town?
It sucks to be the squeezee and not the squeezer. :D



Last edited by wig at Nov 20 2003, 01:14 PM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR+Nov 20 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Nov 20 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Nov 20 2003, 08:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Nov 20 2003, 11:17 AM
So many reasons the US should join the Euro.



:rokk:
Who shot JR?
are you suggesting he was shot over exchange rates?[/b][/quote]
I'm suggesting that the real JR was shot and that you're an im"poster"!

[wig]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Nov 20 2003, 12:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Nov 20 2003, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 09:47 AM
Fletch, you are preaching to the choir.

I was in investment banking for 12 years and am very versed in the history.

My point is that there are more productive ways to capitalize on the inevitable.

Are you doing anything to capitalize on the realities besides burning your money?
Just because people are idiots doesn't mean I shouldn't speak the truth, whether they grasp it or not.

I am not hear to discuss investments, only to deface the govenrnment and its Alien plans and interest earning families that arte in power.

I dont like the fact that some Rockefeller daddy's boy had a say so on what our Federal Reserve logo looks like. That bird and shield is their family crest, nothing to do with Freedom or Liberty.

Fuck them[/b][/quote]
btw, have you seen Born Rich?

Seems there is a major shift in thinking over the generations. I got a kick out of the Whitney / Vanderbilt heir. He was a funny fucker!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig+Nov 20 2003, 10:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Nov 20 2003, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 12:56 PM
Productive ways to me is molotov cocktails and a match.

Am I the only REAL AMERICAN in here?

What happened to the days you picked up a stick and took the town back from the fat mayor that was squeezing dollars out of everyone in town?
It sucks to be the squeezee and not the squeezer. :D[/b][/quote]
Yeah having to borrow money to go to college makes me so much lower than you big timers, the class issue is only an issue to those who care, it sucks that i was not born into wealth, doesnt make me any less of a man.

I suppose it's easier to just quote fictitious charachters and profit off your brothers than it is to address the REAL ISSUES at hand.

Roth? His family was probably selling sacrificial lambs outside of jerusalem.

:awinky:

[wig]

Fletch, save the chip on your shoulder for someone else.

I was not born into wealth. I was brought up in lower to middle class just like the majority of folks.

Just because I use my knowledge to play within the game and you choose to crusade, does not make me more of a man than you.

I agree with the inherent flaw of the system. It is a purposely frustating system and you are perfectly frustrated with it.

Have a drink! :hic:

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:27 AM
Fletch, save the chip on your shoulder for someone else.

Chip?

I was merely quoting some info on the Federal Reserve, you brought it upon yourself to say that info was a waste of my time. Which I don't think it is.

Posting info like that is what I do, so you may want to get used to it.

Id have a drink but its too early.

Partying tonight though.





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[wig]

I suppose it's easier to just quote fictitious charachters and profit off your brothers than it is to address the REAL ISSUES at hand.


btw, so far your idea of addressing the issues has been to:

1) burn the money and fuck the US
2) make molotov cocktails and beat up mayors
3) preach to idiots on things they cannot grasp

[wig]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Nov 20 2003, 01:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Nov 20 2003, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:27 AM
Fletch, save the chip on your shoulder for someone else.

Chip?

I was merely quoting some info on the Federal Reserve, you brought it upon yourself to say that info was a waste of my time. Which I don't think it is.

Posting info like that is what I do, so you may want to get used to it.

Id have a drink but its too early.

Partying tonight though.[/b][/quote]
This came from the Federal Reserve?

Yeah having to borrow money to go to college makes me so much lower than you big timers, the class issue is only an issue to those who care, it sucks that i was not born into wealth, doesnt make me any less of a man.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:30 AM
I suppose it's easier to just quote fictitious charachters and profit off your brothers than it is to address the REAL ISSUES at hand.


btw, so far your idea of addressing the issues has been to:

1) burn the money and fuck the US
2) make molotov cocktails and beat up mayors
3) preach to idiots on things they cannot grasp

No, those were anarchistic suggestions :awinky

The real issue is that every dollar every American or the government spends is interest earning for power families and alien banks.

That is the issue, how you deal with it is on you.

Personally, because I am just a nobody, school loan paying rock and roller I have no say other than my vote and my words.

Thats all we all really have.



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[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 12:25 PM
Ask yourself why the Federal Reserve is not owned by any Americans.
It is with great wisdom that monetary policy is kept separate from the executive office. It is no secret that the Federal Reserve system is not truly "federal". Nor is it truly private. This is quite a matter of public record and anyone versed in even a modicum of government structure knows it. I roll my eyes at yer conspiracy.

Would you like to give Mr. Bush control of monetary policy?

Sorry, fellas. Fiat money is here to stay. Au, hell. All money is fiat money because basing reserves on today's price of some gold colored metal being held in a vault somewhere is not one iota better. There were great problems with that. Remember?

Today's monetary policy is much better than that prior to the great war. Compare the latter half of the twentieth century with the economic shocks of the first half or even worse the latter half of the 19th century. What a miserable mess. During hard economic times, there wasn't enough liquidity to provide business owners with loans to get going again. The financial machinations of our generation are specifically designed against the problems that were experienced in the past.

Will we have new problems on our hands? Of course we will. We must move forward though and not backward. The not too distant past was much worse - with systematic shock after shock after shock - than anything my generation has ever seen. For if one were to shed the institutions of the day in some naive hope that today's most pressing problems would be solved one would only walk the path back to whence one came.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:32 AM

This came from the Federal Reserve?


No, I repied to the way you waved it in my face that I was being squeezed and perhaps it must be better to be the squeezer.

So I had to borrow money for college, why should some power family earn an interest on each dollar of it?

[wig]

Originally posted by Colin+Nov 20 2003, 01:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 20 2003, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 12:25 PM
Ask yourself why the Federal Reserve is not owned by any Americans.
It is with great wisdom that monetary policy is kept separate from the executive office. It is no secret that the Federal Reserve system is not truly "federal". Nor is it truly private. This is quite a matter of public record and anyone versed in even a modicum of government structure knows it. I roll my eyes at yer conspiracy.

Would you like to give Mr. Bush control of monetary policy?

Sorry, fellas. Fiat money is here to stay. Au, hell. All money is fiat money because basing reserves on today's price of some gold colored metal being held in a vault somewhere is not one iota better. There were great problems with that. Remember?

Today's monetary policy is much better than that prior to the great war. Compare the latter half of the twentieth century with the economic shocks of the first half or even worse the latter half of the 19th century. What a miserable mess. During hard economic times, there wasn't enough liquidity to provide business owners with loans to get going again. The financial machinations of our generation are specifically designed against the problems that were experienced in the past.

Will we have new problems on our hands? Of course we will. We must move forward though and not backward. The not too distant past was much worse - with systematic shock after shock after shock - than anything my generation has ever seen. For if one were to shed the institutions of the day in some naive hope that today's most pressing problems would be solved one would only walk the path back to whence one came.[/b][/quote]
Lack of liquidity from a backed currency or too much liquidity from fiat system... they both have there risks. :D

In the end, human nature is all we have left.

[wig]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX+Nov 20 2003, 01:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fletch XXX @ Nov 20 2003, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:32 AM

This came from the Federal Reserve?


No, I repied to the way you waved it in my face that I was being squeezed and perhaps it must be better to be the squeezer.

So I had to borrow money for college, why should some power family earn an interest on each dollar of it?[/b][/quote]
It was a general statement. If you took it personally, then hence the chip observation.

Life is not fair, Fletch.

If you truly believe that taking a stand against the power money and the Federal Reserve is serving your best interest, then by all means keep preaching and posting information.

[TeenGodFather]

I don't like dollars. Euros look much nicer. :)
I hate the fact that dollars are all the same color and size. :)
Even though when euro was launched I considered it to look a bit like monopoly money, but I sort of like them pink €500 bills ;)

[wig]

TGF knows how to lighten the air! :okthumb:

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by wig+Nov 20 2003, 10:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Nov 20 2003, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 01:36 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 10:32 AM

This came from the Federal Reserve?


No, I repied to the way you waved it in my face that I was being squeezed and perhaps it must be better to be the squeezer.

So I had to borrow money for college, why should some power family earn an interest on each dollar of it?
It was a general statement. If you took it personally, then hence the chip observation.

Life is not fair, Fletch.

If you truly believe that taking a stand against the power money and the Federal Reserve is serving your best interest, then by all means keep preaching and posting information.[/b][/quote]
Ah, then maybe I took that line wrong. It really sounded like a brag comment to me and any situation a person not of great wealth may be in. As in: 'Well only your low level kind suffer that.' No offense taken, just a misunderstanding I suppose. :awinky:

My guess is most people on this board have forgotten what it's like to live check to check. And buying your kids new cars and all, instead of kids that work for what they have. So I can understand how now most are only concerned with how to INVEST their millions instead of how they got them.

Trust me, I know life is not fair. Ive seen enough death and poverty in my life to know this. I think most have.

When I get mine, I will truly have busted my ass and slaved for it, without a doubt. Not a damn thing has ever been given to me, not even my student loans which are interest bearing at an almost alarming rate now. Some get it handed to them, some have to work for it.

I am 27, have been in this industry for awhile and like all you want to make some money here.

Please dont let me posting some 'Secrets Of The Federal Reserve' essay seem like some conspiracy theorist. I am far from it. I do read a lot of things so I post a lot of links to weird crap like that over time.

I hope I don't ome across as bitter, or have a chip on my shoulder, not the case. If anything I just like a little anarchy.

There is absolutely nothing that can be done regarding the Federal Reserve, not when you have people like COlin praising it.

Who am i compared to millionaires? Nothing.

Who are millionaires compared to the bank owners? Nothing.

[wig]

It's all good, Fletch.

I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut like everyone else. :D

[Gabriel]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Nov 20 2003, 07:29 AM
yeah, I can just move into usa..I'm not a fucking mexican,
Your not a fucking Mexican?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by wig@Nov 20 2003, 01:45 PM
Lack of liquidity from a backed currency or too much liquidity from fiat system... they both have there risks. :D
Yessir! And the current poison looks to me to be a little less potent than the prior.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Nov 20 2003, 01:52 PM
I don't like dollars. Euros look much nicer. :)
I hate the fact that dollars are all the same color and size. :)
Even though when euro was launched I considered it to look a bit like monopoly money, but I sort of like them pink €500 bills ;)
And the new $20 bill is a step backwards. Looks like someone colored my money and then through it in with the last resistant batch of stone-washed jeans.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 01:59 PM
There is absolutely nothing that can be done regarding the Federal Reserve, not when you have people like COlin praising it.
Amen

[wig]

Originally posted by Colin+Nov 20 2003, 02:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 20 2003, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Nov 20 2003, 01:45 PM
Lack of liquidity from a backed currency or too much liquidity from fiat system... they both have there risks. :D
Yessir! And the current poison looks to me to be a little less potent than the prior.[/b][/quote]
I agree, my friend! So far, so good. :groucho:

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Colin+Nov 20 2003, 11:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 20 2003, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Fletch XXX@Nov 20 2003, 01:59 PM
There is absolutely nothing that can be done regarding the Federal Reserve, not when you have people like COlin praising it.
Amen[/b][/quote]
How can you shut down the show when even the puppets as well as the audience want it to continue?

:awinky:



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[quiet]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0005/f971c23b036d031a91ad.jpeg

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Gabriel+Nov 20 2003, 03:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gabriel @ Nov 20 2003, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--TeenGodFather@Nov 20 2003, 07:29 AM
yeah, I can just move into usa..I'm not a fucking mexican,
Your not a fucking Mexican?[/b][/quote]
He misplaced the "a" - he meant to say "I'm not fucking a Mexican".

BTW, your Latino butt better be in Vegas in Jan. I'm bringing the kid and he can out eat ALL of us when it comes to sushi! :okthumb:

[Carrie]

Originally posted by quiet@Nov 20 2003, 03:12 PM
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0005/f971c23b036d031a91ad.jpeg
One boot, two hands, and the common sense to tell the bank that at least 51% of the bills are there so I should be given fresh ones to replace them...
That's all it would take. :awinky:

[[Labret]]

http://www.detroithardcore.com/Euro.gif



Last edited by [Labret] at Nov 20 2003, 05:09 PM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 20 2003, 08:07 PM
http://www.detroithardcore.com/Euro.gif
New SIC Cash logo? ;-)