Who cares how long you've been in the industry?

[Squirt]

After reading the thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7166&s=8027c7265ecb05f753f260c117f13a02) I was somewhat taken back by how proud some were that they've been in the industry for so many years. Seems they were almost gloating at the fact they've been in this business a long time.

I've been in adult since 2000 .. but in the end.. how long you stay in business is no reflection on how successful you are. Your ability to innovate and adapt is much more important then how long you've been in the biz.

Kind of like a kid saying "I'm older then you are so I know better." We all know that's most often not always the case.

Looking at the current state of our industry I'd almost be ashamed to say I was an old timer. Where are the leaders? A sense of proffesional community? Seems like a lot of the old timers are struggling, like most others. Worse yet.. the old timers crawl under a rock and leave everyone else scurrying for cover when things get tough.

I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

Being an old timer today means you contributed to the way things currenlty are and lack the leadership to make possitive changes in our industry. If you didn't.... things would be different in our industry today. No offense but old timers.. and leaders in other industries ( mainstream entertainment for example ) have used their knowledge to better the industry. I could go on but I wont.

Some will say it's nobodies responsibility to do anything possitive in our industry..... it is what it is. Porn will always be around regardless of how fucked up and disjointed our industry is. They say elders are the glue that holds a community together.... well not in adult... every man for himself here thanks to our elders. So what makes old timers special in our industry? Why should you get a medal for sticking around so long and creating such a mess?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
After reading the thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7166&s=8027c7265ecb05f753f260c117f13a02) I was somewhat taken back by how proud some were that they've been in the industry for so many years. Seems they were almost gloating at the fact they've been in this business a long time.

I've been in adult since 2000 .. but in the end.. how long you stay in business is no reflection on how successful you are. Your ability to innovate and adapt is much more important then how long you've been in the biz.

Kind of like a kid saying "I'm older then you are so I know better." We all know that's most often not always the case.

Looking at the current state of our industry I'd almost be ashamed to say I was an old timer. Where are the leaders? A sense of proffesional community? Seems like a lot of the old timers are struggling, like most others. Worse yet.. the old timers crawl under a rock and leave everyone else scurrying for cover when things get tough.

I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

Being an old timer today means you contributed to the way things currenlty are and lack the leadership to make possitive changes in our industry. If you didn't.... things would be different in our industry today. No offense but old timers.. and leaders in other industries ( mainstream entertainment for example ) have used their knowledge to better the industry. I could go on but I wont.

Some will say it's nobodies responsibility to do anything possitive in our industry..... it is what it is. Porn will always be around regardless of how fucked up and disjointed our industry is. They say elders are the glue that holds a community together.... well not in adult... every man for himself here thanks to our elders. So what makes old timers special in our industry? Why should you get a medal for sticking around so long and creating such a mess?
I can assume that that swipe was directed at myself as well as a few others. Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance.

[Carrie]

Squirt you're in a bad mood tonight, which is strange for you. Everything okay?

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.


hustler is not an old timer. they figured out how to use internet only about 2 years ago.

you want names of old timers that made a difference ? how about ARS, MaxCash, CE, CEN, Silvercash, Top Bucks, Python, WebQuest and bunch of other people you've never heard off.

And there certainly has been bunch of people that came into the biz later and made an impact creatively or otherwise BossHawg, Oxcash/NastyD and bunch of others

[Squirt]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 15 2003, 04:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 15 2003, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
After reading the thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7166&s=8027c7265ecb05f753f260c117f13a02) I was somewhat taken back by how proud some were that they've been in the industry for so many years. Seems they were almost gloating at the fact they've been in this business a long time.

I've been in adult since 2000 .. but in the end.. how long you stay in business is no reflection on how successful you are. Your ability to innovate and adapt is much more important then how long you've been in the biz.

Kind of like a kid saying "I'm older then you are so I know better." We all know that's most often not always the case.

Looking at the current state of our industry I'd almost be ashamed to say I was an old timer. Where are the leaders? A sense of proffesional community? Seems like a lot of the old timers are struggling, like most others. Worse yet.. the old timers crawl under a rock and leave everyone else scurrying for cover when things get tough.

I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

Being an old timer today means you contributed to the way things currenlty are and lack the leadership to make possitive changes in our industry. If you didn't.... things would be different in our industry today. No offense but old timers.. and leaders in other industries ( mainstream entertainment for example ) have used their knowledge to better the industry. I could go on but I wont.

Some will say it's nobodies responsibility to do anything possitive in our industry..... it is what it is. Porn will always be around regardless of how fucked up and disjointed our industry is. They say elders are the glue that holds a community together.... well not in adult... every man for himself here thanks to our elders. So what makes old timers special in our industry? Why should you get a medal for sticking around so long and creating such a mess?
I can assume that that swipe was directed at myself as well as a few others. Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance.[/b][/quote]

Actually Gonzo I didn't even look at the posters.. I looked at the posts. Didn't even know you posted there and I don't know your history so don't take it as a personal attack. I don't know you or anything about you. If I was talking about you or someone else in particular I would have said so.

"Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance." I take it you've been around awhile... let me check your post.. hold on... ok so I see you said "Ifn your counting the BBS which we used credit cards doors to peddle smut....then you need to add the early 80's button. "

You've been around since the 80's? So you helped create this mess. Thank you!

"...as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance." You don't have to answer my questions. If you haven't seen my last performance then you'r e pretty clueless to the current state of affairs in our industry. It's very hard to make possitive changes here now because the infrastucture that you people created is so fragmented. You started no professional associations... standards and practices... nothing. If the WWC can take hold of the net... you guys could have taken hold of the adult net... molded it and shaped it into a solid entity.

[Carrie]

They tried, a few times.
But getting 10 webmasters to agree on where to have dinner takes 3 hours and ends up with people being pissed off... imagine trying to get 30 of them to agree on some basic industry standards.
Mission Impossible.

[Squirt]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Nov 15 2003, 04:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Nov 15 2003, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.


hustler is not an old timer. they figured out how to use internet only about 2 years ago.

you want names of old timers that made a difference ? how about ARS, MaxCash, CE, CEN, Silvercash, Top Bucks, Python, WebQuest and bunch of other people you've never heard off.

And there certainly has been bunch of people that came into the biz later and made an impact creatively or otherwise BossHawg, Oxcash/NastyD and bunch of others[/b][/quote]
"you want names of old timers that made a difference ? how about ARS, MaxCash, CE, CEN, Silvercash, Top Bucks, Python, WebQuest and bunch of other people you've never heard off."

If you knew what I now know about half of those companies you wouldn't have listed them as making a difference... at least not a totally possitive difference. When the Acacia thing is said and done I'd like to check back to this list and see how many heads have rolled. However if discovery isn't allowed on the case.. it may never come out. It is what it is.

There is too much noise in the industry you can't see your hand in front of your godamn face!

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM
. It's very hard to make possitive changes here now because the infrastucture that you people created is so fragmented. You started no professional associations... standards and practices... nothing. If the WWC can take hold of the net... you guys could have taken hold of the adult net... molded it and shaped it into a solid entity.
you have a valid point there

but many people have tried doing something but pretty much all have failed.

This industry doesnt inforce changes unless its forced upto by Credit Card companies or processors

[Squirt]

Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 15 2003, 04:38 PM
They tried, a few times.
But getting 10 webmasters to agree on where to have dinner takes 3 hours and ends up with people being pissed off... imagine trying to get 30 of them to agree on some basic industry standards.
Mission Impossible.

Yeah well you know it's amazing that the reigns of the internet had been pulled in my WWC ... the whole internet! We couldn't get a few old timers to band together so things make sense here?

The person I originally went to when entering the industry (he doesn't post on boards) is a great example. Everything you expect in a business. From his example I thought the shallow back stabbing every man for himself image our industry had was false.. or greatly exagerated. Man am I glad to find a gem here and there because they are hard to find here I'm telling you! And seeing people gloat about how long they've been around in this mess is a joke. Gloat about the possitive things you've done here not the number of years you've existed in this sewer.

[Squirt]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Nov 15 2003, 04:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Nov 15 2003, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM
. It's very hard to make possitive changes here now because the infrastucture that you people created is so fragmented. You started no professional associations... standards and practices... nothing. If the WWC can take hold of the net... you guys could have taken hold of the adult net... molded it and shaped it into a solid entity.
you have a valid point there

but many people have tried doing something but pretty much all have failed.

This industry doesnt inforce changes unless its forced upto by Credit Card companies or processors[/b][/quote]

Our industry is like any other.. regulate yourself or be regulated. We are going to be regulated to death if we don't get our act together and the only people that have the power to do it are the elders... the old timers... and I just see them sitting on their asses gloating about how long they've been around. Get off your asses and do something! Put up or shut up

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Squirt+Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Squirt @ Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 04:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
After reading the thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7166&s=8027c7265ecb05f753f260c117f13a02) I was somewhat taken back by how proud some were that they've been in the industry for so many years. Seems they were almost gloating at the fact they've been in this business a long time.

I've been in adult since 2000 .. but in the end.. how long you stay in business is no reflection on how successful you are. Your ability to innovate and adapt is much more important then how long you've been in the biz.

Kind of like a kid saying "I'm older then you are so I know better." We all know that's most often not always the case.

Looking at the current state of our industry I'd almost be ashamed to say I was an old timer. Where are the leaders? A sense of proffesional community? Seems like a lot of the old timers are struggling, like most others. Worse yet.. the old timers crawl under a rock and leave everyone else scurrying for cover when things get tough.

I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

Being an old timer today means you contributed to the way things currenlty are and lack the leadership to make possitive changes in our industry. If you didn't.... things would be different in our industry today. No offense but old timers.. and leaders in other industries ( mainstream entertainment for example ) have used their knowledge to better the industry. I could go on but I wont.

Some will say it's nobodies responsibility to do anything possitive in our industry..... it is what it is. Porn will always be around regardless of how fucked up and disjointed our industry is. They say elders are the glue that holds a community together.... well not in adult... every man for himself here thanks to our elders. So what makes old timers special in our industry? Why should you get a medal for sticking around so long and creating such a mess?
I can assume that that swipe was directed at myself as well as a few others. Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance.

Actually Gonzo I didn't even look at the posters.. I looked at the posts. Didn't even know you posted there and I don't know your history so don't take it as a personal attack. I don't know you or anything about you. If I was talking about you or someone else in particular I would have said so.

"Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance." I take it you've been around awhile... let me check your post.. hold on... ok so I see you said "Ifn your counting the BBS which we used credit cards doors to peddle smut....then you need to add the early 80's button. "

You've been around since the 80's? So you helped create this mess. Thank you!

"...as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance." You don't have to answer my questions. If you haven't seen my last performance then you'r e pretty clueless to the current state of affairs in our industry. It's very hard to make possitive changes here now because the infrastucture that you people created is so fragmented. You started no professional associations... standards and practices... nothing. If the WWC can take hold of the net... you guys could have taken hold of the adult net... molded it and shaped it into a solid entity.[/b][/quote]
I didnt take it as a personal attack.

Obviously Im pretty clueless then or I wouldnt have specifically asked you to tell me about your last performance. Im actually interested in the development of this thread.

Your not exactly correct when you say I helped create this...I merely saw what it was before what you have today and worked to promote the concept of buying online.

This mess was created by a very select few indiviiduals and companies and their greed. The strip mining mentality that they have and some of them still continue with today has created this mess.

I will agree that the industry has no glue...Id like to think that we are stirring up a pot of that here on Oprano. I dont think you can lump all of us that have been around in a "you caused this mess" pile.

One other thing we will agree on...and Ive been teasing toward is that this industry is headed for a major fist fight. Its not the old timers you need to worry about...its the porn royals that want to reclaim thier slice of the pie that you and I have taken from them.

So tell a dumbassed country boy about your latest ...?

Im excited to start this discussion.

[Squirt]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 15 2003, 04:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 15 2003, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by -gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 04:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
After reading the thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7166&s=8027c7265ecb05f753f260c117f13a02) I was somewhat taken back by how proud some were that they've been in the industry for so many years. Seems they were almost gloating at the fact they've been in this business a long time.

I've been in adult since 2000 .. but in the end.. how long you stay in business is no reflection on how successful you are. Your ability to innovate and adapt is much more important then how long you've been in the biz.

Kind of like a kid saying "I'm older then you are so I know better." We all know that's most often not always the case.

Looking at the current state of our industry I'd almost be ashamed to say I was an old timer. Where are the leaders? A sense of proffesional community? Seems like a lot of the old timers are struggling, like most others. Worse yet.. the old timers crawl under a rock and leave everyone else scurrying for cover when things get tough.

I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

Being an old timer today means you contributed to the way things currenlty are and lack the leadership to make possitive changes in our industry. If you didn't.... things would be different in our industry today. No offense but old timers.. and leaders in other industries ( mainstream entertainment for example ) have used their knowledge to better the industry. I could go on but I wont.

Some will say it's nobodies responsibility to do anything possitive in our industry..... it is what it is. Porn will always be around regardless of how fucked up and disjointed our industry is. They say elders are the glue that holds a community together.... well not in adult... every man for himself here thanks to our elders. So what makes old timers special in our industry? Why should you get a medal for sticking around so long and creating such a mess?
I can assume that that swipe was directed at myself as well as a few others. Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance.

Actually Gonzo I didn't even look at the posters.. I looked at the posts. Didn't even know you posted there and I don't know your history so don't take it as a personal attack. I don't know you or anything about you. If I was talking about you or someone else in particular I would have said so.

"Id be more than happy to answer some of your questions as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance." I take it you've been around awhile... let me check your post.. hold on... ok so I see you said "Ifn your counting the BBS which we used credit cards doors to peddle smut....then you need to add the early 80's button. "

You've been around since the 80's? So you helped create this mess. Thank you!

"...as soon as you give us the highlights from your last performance." You don't have to answer my questions. If you haven't seen my last performance then you'r e pretty clueless to the current state of affairs in our industry. It's very hard to make possitive changes here now because the infrastucture that you people created is so fragmented. You started no professional associations... standards and practices... nothing. If the WWC can take hold of the net... you guys could have taken hold of the adult net... molded it and shaped it into a solid entity.
I didnt take it as a personal attack.

Obviously Im pretty clueless then or I wouldnt have specifically asked you to tell me about your last performance. Im actually interested in the development of this thread.

Your not exactly correct when you say I helped create this...I merely saw what it was before what you have today and worked to promote the concept of buying online.

This mess was created by a very select few indiviiduals and companies and their greed. The strip mining mentality that they have and some of them still continue with today has created this mess.

I will agree that the industry has no glue...Id like to think that we are stirring up a pot of that here on Oprano. I dont think you can lump all of us that have been around in a "you caused this mess" pile.

One other thing we will agree on...and Ive been teasing toward is that this industry is headed for a major fist fight. Its not the old timers you need to worry about...its the porn royals that want to reclaim thier slice of the pie that you and I have taken from them.

So tell a dumbassed country boy about your latest ...?

Im excited to start this discussion.[/b][/quote]
Do a search on GFY under squirt and see a bit on Leenoga.com

I have been most vocal on GFY simply because you can reach the most amount of people there. I started originally on Ynot and wont go into details about my experience there.

I'm sure you know that seeing the true reality of our demise is disapointing to say the least. When people who want to make a difference realize that a total overhaul of our industry is needed.. it's disheartening. It's like waking up thinking there's a leak in the basement to find the whole town is flooded.

The old timers are responsible for letting this happen.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 08:07 PM
The old timers are responsible for letting this happen.
I dont agree with that statement at all.
Some greedy fucks are responsibile for all this.
See the bigger picture and youll realize that there is only 2 things that matter....

1. Traffic - Without it you aint got anything. "Andy Dunn"
2. Billing -They gotta pay for it somehow. And this is the more crucial of anything. You tried to get a pay site approved thru Visa as of late?

[Squirt]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 15 2003, 05:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 15 2003, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 08:07 PM
The old timers are responsible for letting this happen.
I dont agree with that statement at all.
Some greedy fucks are responsibile for all this.
See the bigger picture and youll realize that there is only 2 things that matter....

1. Traffic - Without it you aint got anything. "Andy Dunn"
2. Billing -They gotta pay for it somehow. And this is the more crucial of anything. You tried to get a pay site approved thru Visa as of late?[/b][/quote]
"only 2 things that matter....

1. Traffic - Without it you aint got anything. "Andy Dunn"
2. Billing -They gotta pay for it somehow. And this is the more crucial of anything. You tried to get a pay site approved thru Visa as of late"

Visa... hell...

Two days ago I'm online working my ass off to see my sales are slowing down on one of my sites that uses a particular billing company. Soon after that I get an email from the billing company telling me that out of 866 pages on this website... 1 page.. the join page... has the word "twink" in the meta tags. They had suspended my billing until the word was removed. I was concerned because I take my business very seriously.. so I removed the word and emailed the billing company to notify them and to request a list of words to stay away from.... only to get a reply back stating that they don't give the list out because it's constantly changing???? HUH? Not to mention that this billing company had never had this policy before.. no list.. and certainly who would have thought the word "twink" would be banned? Mind you the Websters Dictionary definition for the word "twink" is: "Also
reported on the Usenet group soc.motss; may derive from gay slang
for a cute young thing with nothing upstairs (compare mainstream
`chick')."

So Visa is the least of our worries.. and worst case they drop our industry all together and we resort to dialers, echeck, mastercard, 900#'s, debit cards etc.

"Some greedy fucks are responsibile for all this." yeah.. the greedy old timers that you guys let take over this industry and shape it into the mess it's in today. Those who sit idly by are just as guilty as those who did this.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 08:37 PM

"Some greedy fucks are responsibile for all this." yeah.. the greedy old timers that you guys let take over this industry and shape it into the mess it's in today. Those who sit idly by are just as guilty as those who did this.
Thats a pure crock of shit.
You cant hang that one on me in the least.
I never promoted Xpix or anyone of that ilk.

Matter of fact when some were making money with dialers I refused.
When I make a site I try to follow 2 rules
1. I try and build something that Id enjoy and want to pay for.
2. I avoid any methodology of billing that I would consider deceptive and not allow me to sleep well at night.

Im a little fucked up in that I care about what I give to people if I take their money.

Right now Im not worried about content. My concern is with how people are going to pay for this in the near future.
Without the bling...the egg timer goes ding...and times up for a profitable industry. Its a business plain and simple.

[Diamond Jim]

Too funny.... :rolleyes:

[Carrie]

Squirt, you've been around for a while. You just recently got into the boards and networking and such.
It could be said that you're just as responsible, since you didn't bother to speak up until the shit got thick. A year ago, two years ago, you weren't trying to help out or get anything organized... you were keeping to yourself.

My point is, this can be looked at a lot of different ways, and there's no use pointing the finger. Honestly, what good is it doing you? It's getting you pissed, it's probably going to get some other people pissed, and these could be folks that could do worlds of good helping your business grow.

We should stop trying to lay the blame for the past, and instead work *forward*.

[quiet]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Nov 15 2003, 05:54 PM
Do you have money sitting in the bank making nothing? I will give you 20% annual returns GUARANTEED by contract and secured by real estate. 50k minimum investment.

interesting sig...

[Fletch XXX]

a long story.

97 but i didnt start my own shit until 2000.

i worked in the video/film side (behind the camera) of this industry before i grasped the internet part of it.

:stout:



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 15 2003, 06:12 PM

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by quiet+Nov 15 2003, 09:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (quiet @ Nov 15 2003, 09:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Nov 15 2003, 05:54 PM
Do you have money sitting in the bank making nothing? I will give you 20% annual returns GUARANTEED by contract and secured by real estate. 50k minimum investment.

interesting sig...[/b][/quote]
DJ, did you open a pawnshop ? :D

The only people i know that can garantee 20%+ are pawnshop owners

[Fletch XXX]

wrong fucking thread again....

bbs + fletch + beer + herbs = shat

:stout:

[Peaches]

Quite frankly I think how long you've been in this industry matters a great deal.

For instance, the programs I sell are either older programs or those owned by people who have been in the business for quite some time. I personally wouldn't sell a product from someone who is recently on the scene - there's too much BS out there.

And as I was saying to Wig today (whose kid, BTW, is even cuter in person :inlove: ), I've never screwed anyone over since 1996 (and even as far back as 1993 from the audiotext days), I've never cheated anyone and I've never broken any sponsor's rules. As a result, I've built up a level of trust in this business. This will come in VERY handy when I set in motion my diabolical plan to screw everyone over at once and move to Wyoming. :P

We old timers have seen the scams come and go, we've heard "the sky is falling" about 10 times, and we know who to trust and who to smile to and walk away from.

I'm not saying that those new in the industry can't build up that same information and reputation, but it's not easily obtained these days. :)

[Squirt]

Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 15 2003, 05:55 PM
Squirt, you've been around for a while. You just recently got into the boards and networking and such.
It could be said that you're just as responsible, since you didn't bother to speak up until the shit got thick. A year ago, two years ago, you weren't trying to help out or get anything organized... you were keeping to yourself.

My point is, this can be looked at a lot of different ways, and there's no use pointing the finger. Honestly, what good is it doing you? It's getting you pissed, it's probably going to get some other people pissed, and these could be folks that could do worlds of good helping your business grow.

We should stop trying to lay the blame for the past, and instead work *forward*.


Listen Carrie.. I respect you and you are a gem!

"Squirt, you've been around for a while. You just recently got into the boards and networking and such.
It could be said that you're just as responsible, since you didn't bother to speak up until the shit got thick."

Well you know Carrie.. to be honest.. before the whole Visa thing happened.. when I first started in adult.. I went to a few resource boards at first glance I thought it was just a bunch of advertising and people peddling for business. I thought online adult was just a bunch of mom and pops making their way.. only to find later that a lot of "big guys" control a lot of the industry.. and are even today trying to patent our industry as a way of control for the future (not acacia). So no.. I didn't step up and try to change things.. and you know something.. when my face was plastered all over television regarding my court case and my son possibly being taken away because of my website the industry didn't reach out to me! I didn't get emails from fellow webmasters in our industry supporting me. Strangers on the street stopped me and gave me their support, people subscribed to my site and emailed support.. but ZERO from my industry!

"It's getting you pissed, it's probably going to get some other people pissed, and these could be folks that could do worlds of good helping your business grow." Are you serious? Yeah I see the big guys lining up to take guys like me in to make them more successful.. NOT! I have found a few gems.. and those people know where I'm coming from when I post. I always try and make myself clear. If people are pissed so be it. Maybe they will try to change things as well? As I stated above... I didn't get support from my industry before.. why would it happen now? It wont.

And in the end what does it all matter anyway? In the big picture this is all trivial.. and when it comes down to it.. I'm a part of an industry that I'm liking less and less every day. But I love what I do. I like having my sites and filming porn. I really like people watching what I create and paying me to do so.



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[Squirt]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 15 2003, 06:28 PM
Quite frankly I think how long you've been in this industry matters a great deal.

For instance, the programs I sell are either older programs or those owned by people who have been in the business for quite some time. I personally wouldn't sell a product from someone who is recently on the scene - there's too much BS out there.

And as I was saying to Wig today (whose kid, BTW, is even cuter in person :inlove: ), I've never screwed anyone over since 1996 (and even as far back as 1993 from the audiotext days), I've never cheated anyone and I've never broken any sponsor's rules. As a result, I've built up a level of trust in this business. This will come in VERY handy when I set in motion my diabolical plan to screw everyone over at once and move to Wyoming. :P

We old timers have seen the scams come and go, we've heard "the sky is falling" about 10 times, and we know who to trust and who to smile to and walk away from.

I'm not saying that those new in the industry can't build up that same information and reputation, but it's not easily obtained these days. :)

"I'm not saying that those new in the industry can't build up that same information and reputation, but it's not easily obtained these days."

yeah well.... there ya go! Nothing worthwhile is easy anyway... but the amount of effort one has to put forth nowdays is unrealistic. There is too much noise in our industry and unless anything new comes up consider this thread closed as far as I'm concerned.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Squirt+Nov 15 2003, 09:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Squirt @ Nov 15 2003, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 15 2003, 06:28 PM
Quite frankly I think how long you've been in this industry matters a great deal.

For instance, the programs I sell are either older programs or those owned by people who have been in the business for quite some time. I personally wouldn't sell a product from someone who is recently on the scene - there's too much BS out there.

And as I was saying to Wig today (whose kid, BTW, is even cuter in person :inlove: ), I've never screwed anyone over since 1996 (and even as far back as 1993 from the audiotext days), I've never cheated anyone and I've never broken any sponsor's rules. As a result, I've built up a level of trust in this business. This will come in VERY handy when I set in motion my diabolical plan to screw everyone over at once and move to Wyoming. :P

We old timers have seen the scams come and go, we've heard "the sky is falling" about 10 times, and we know who to trust and who to smile to and walk away from.

I'm not saying that those new in the industry can't build up that same information and reputation, but it's not easily obtained these days. :)

"I'm not saying that those new in the industry can't build up that same information and reputation, but it's not easily obtained these days."

yeah well.... there ya go! Nothing worthwhile is easy anyway... but the amount of effort one has to put forth nowdays is unrealistic. There is too much noise in our industry and unless anything new comes up consider this thread closed as far as I'm concerned.[/b][/quote]
Interesting...

Sorry you didnt see making the effort more than a bunch of noise.

[BradShaw]

In this business, "roots" are important. Call it experience, of which there is little substitute.

[Vick]

squirt I'm going to have to ask you

Please tell us old timers what we should have done and how anyone is able to control any other companies action?

Maybe it was a mistake when phone sex companies first came onto the internet going with monthly billing (or 2/3 day trial to monthly recurring) models as opposed to a per minute billing model

You make allusion to some way the adult on line internet business should be different

Can you please tell us how you think it should be?


Beyond that I am going to respectfully disagree with you and say it does matter how long you've been in business

Those of us with 6-7+ years have seen a few things, we've seen companies, people and scams come and go. We know who to trust and who did what way back when. If we're still here and making $ we must have learned something and know a little bit. We've adapted, survived and prospered

and those who "striped mined" and got out with millions and are laying somewhere on a sunny beach ..... can you blame them?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 15 2003, 10:27 PM

and those who "striped mined" and got out with millions and are laying somewhere on a sunny beach ..... can you blame them?
And then theres are those that are still running from the law.
From a selfish standpoing I guess I coudnlt blame them.

For those that have chosen this as a business...theyve certainly fucked it up real good for the rest of us.

[PornoDoggy]

You know, talk of "who created this mess" is really kind of pointless. Not quite as silly as talking about "roots" in an industry under 20 years old - but close. Longevity/experience is important - however, in this industry there is a VERY big "but" attached to that.

I doubt very seriously that this industry is much different than any other in its infancy.

In the early days of almost any industry there is kind of a "wild west" period where a few figure out how to make some money - and then the crooks follow. The gloom, despair and agony you've heard people wailing about for the past year and a half - maybe longer - is just a reflection of the fact that the industry is maturing - the "wild west" days are ending.

So ... the big "but" that I attach to "[l]ongevity/experience is important" is that the changes that have and will come may render a good part of the experience accumulated to date irrelevant. How much of it will be rendered that way remains to be seen.

I make a point of reading this board specifically because of the % of folks who've been around the block a time or three. Doesn't mean I expect them to give me the 12 Steps to Financial Success; doesn't even mean I believe everything they say (or ANYTHING a few might post). I've learned just as much from some folks who haven't been around much longer than me - and I stay completely away from the advice of folks who never seem to accomplish much themselves but do talk a good line.

[Nickatilynx]

the "wild west" days are ending.


Yup...sure is getting tougher...might be time to hang up the guns soon ;-)))

Trains have guards on 'em , and the bank are gitting harder to rob.

Old Serge has now gone and got himself a position as Marshall of Oprano....and he don't tolerate no rowdiness. ;-)))

I've learned just as much from some folks who haven't been around much longer than me - and I stay completely away from the advice of folks who never seem to accomplish much themselves but do talk a good line.

:okthumb:

[Squirt]

I see this thread as turning into a bitchfest which isn't doing anyone any good.

Vick I could sit here and create an infrastructure for the adult net that would make things a lot better. But when it comes down to it... I'd be spinning my wheels as usual. You could throw a lot of good ideas and information out there and not using that information makes it worthless.

So we all sit here and talk about how bad things are. We sit here and talk about what's happened in the past. We sit here and talk about how to make things better.. and you know what... we aren't changing a damn thing doing it so it's pointless.

Nobody here is going to make a dent in the situation so there is no point. In the end people are just going to keep fucking with us.. squeezing us.. the big guys, visa, billing companies, the government ... the list goes on. I personally film all of my material.. what is on my site was conceived by me, pursued by me and created by me... it's amazing watching all of these outside entities trying to take control of what I do, how I do it, who I do it with, and the money I make from it.

I'm sure if I went back to business as usual and left the boards... I wouldn't be the first .... nor the last. I'm sure those in our industry that venture to the online "community" are dissapointed daily.. I'm just more vocal about it then some... it just takes a really bad day for me to let loose and say how I feel about the shit in our industry.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 15 2003, 11:32 PM
the "wild west" days are ending.

Yup...sure is getting tougher...might be time to hang up the guns soon ;-)))
Nick, will you be starring in the remake of "The Shootist"? :yowsa:

[sarettah]

I have been involved in many industries.....

I was in the military for 8 years...
Wore many different hats in the Liquor business for 9 years...
Been in the garment industry for 2 years...
Wrote software for a medical billing system for 2 years...
Have done direct marketing 7 or 8 years...
Was at an adult hosting company for 2 years...
Have done the webmastering thing part time for 2 years....
Within some of sthose industries I dealt with folks in other industries on a daily basis...
Suppliers..
List Vendors...
Computer salesman...
Freight Companies...
Customs brokers..
and Lawyers...
Within all of the above mentioned job experiences I have also been involved in the data processing industry because I am a designer/programmer/analyst...

Been exposed to many different business models within these industries...

From my experience...

The adult internet is no more and no less fragmented/cutthroat/backstabbing/corrupt then any of the others...

There is just less "illusion" within the adult net industry.... Shit within this industry is done openly unstead of behind closed doors...

Think about it.... Who really went after Microsoft ? Consumers...nope. The states, nope, they were followers. The Feds, nope, they were doing what several companies asked them to. AOL, Netscape and several others instigated against Microsoft. Why, because Microsoft was the leader. Gates and Co had made bundles of money and they wanted to take him down in the worst way possible....

AOL took a nine billion write off on it's books because they were cooking the books big time...

Enron went down because they were cooking the books...

These were direct ripoffs of the consumer by the leaders of their respective industries.

There are tons more.

In business, there is no loyalty. It is whoever can get it done the fastest/cheapest... It is whoever takes you out for dinner the most. It is whoever spends the most money on you.... Business is based on the nastiest of realities at all time...

And one of the number one rules is "never let your competition know what you are doing"... Who is the competition ? Everyone else within your industry that is going after the same piece of pie that you are.

So things that we yell about in this industry are status quo to many mainstream businesses....

In the garment industry... You get an order for 500 "medium size" coats... You only have 200 on the rack... So you pull the labels out of 150 large and 150 small, relabel them as medium and send them on out the door. Getting that order out takes precedence... Are you screwing your customer ?

Liquor industry there is lots of "legal" money under the table. Suppliers would often offer "sales incentives" on certain months. So, for example, you might get a $3.00 "legal kickback" per case on Chivas for all your sales in September. So what do you do, you underreport Sales in July and August, so you can overreport your sales in September and take advantage of the $3.00 per case... A reverse shave sort of, but I was at 2 different companies, one a giant in the industry and one a small player, in two differentstates, but they both played the gane the same way.

Foremost/McKesson (Foremost Foods, Mckesson Wine and Liquors, McKesson Drugs, McKesson Chemicals) was the Liquor "Giant" I was with. There was a big to do within the company while I was with them. McKesson Chemical was having record profits. McKesson Drugs was having horrible profits. McKesson hadd a policyt that a sister company was always a preferred vendor. You were always supposed to buy from a preferred vendor when possible. So, McKesson Chemivcal was selling to McKesson Drugs at about twice the going rate thereby inflating the hell out of McKesson Chemical's numbers and killing McKesson Drug's numbers. This WAS business as usual.

The Medical Claims processing software I was writing was to try to save the ass of a company that had been selling vaporware for 2 years before I came to the company. That company sold 200 licenses at $600.00 a pop in one year to people to start their own home business. The software they were licensing was under a court order under another companies name not allowed to be sold. So, they formed a different company to sell it. Turned 1.2 mill before anyone hit them in court. They had to give back approximately half the money eventually. Business as usual.

To think that it is normal for rival businesses to care about one another is Naive at best and from my experience a feeling that is pretty unique to the adult net. There is a lot of symbiosis that occurs within this industry. Program a trades traffic with programs b and c who share additionally with programs d, e and f, who share it back with company a. But these companies all sharing traffic are rivals, don't ever forget that. Company a would gladly swallow company b whole if it had the chance. And company F would gladly assfuck anyone else within the chain to get what it considers it's fair share of the pie.. And every company's view is that the fair share of the pie is the whole fucking thing.

whew... I have to check on my daughter, so I will post this then come back in a bit and see if I made any sense :)





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[Nickatilynx]

The hell I will , Dravyk ;-)))

"""You need people like me.
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers, and say "that's the bad guy."
So, what'll that make you?
Good?
You're not good.
You just know how to hide, how to lie.
Me, I don't have that problem.
Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. """


;-))))

[sarettah]

To continue....

To blame the people who have been here the longest for the problems of this industry is ridiculous...

The people who are still around since 96 are the survivors of the industry. Many were here that are not here now. Many are no longer allowed to do business on the net. The people who you see around that have been around since 96 are the ones who either recognized various things happening and moved out of the firing line before there was trouble ro who recognized scams as they were forming or who were at the time still so newbie clueless as to not be close enough to get hurt yet. These people survived, some with their reputation intact, some with a little tarnish here and there, but they were pioneering two industries at one time. The internet and the "mainstream porn world". Prior to the net, porn was done in titty bars/adult book stores/peep shows etc. BBS's firstly and the internet secondly pioneered selling porn to the people that did not usually buy porn. Prior to the 80's, the only place to find "adult content" was in places that nice people didn't go. With the advent of the computer BBS/Phone Sex/Audiotext and then the internet, Nice people could get porn and nobody would know about it. A whole new comsuner base, never been touched before. And like any industry discovering an entirely new audience for their product, the original pioneers of the adult internet industry raped the audience for all it was worth. Just as any other industry would/does do. The leaders of this industry learned the most valuable lessoni learned so far in this industry and they have passed it on to us and on to the mainstream internet sector as well. What was the lesson ? The lesson was "how to get folks to pull out that credit card and enter the number into the little box on the screen". The original pioneers of the concept made millions and millions of dollars. And all those that were around them made millions too because they sent the original folks traffic and they were paid for the traffic. The folks that have been around the longest have also seen many many ways to accomplish that same task of getting that credit card number. They have seen people get rich, they have also seen people go to jail. But they survived, they were smart ebough, quick enough, strong enough, tough enough to survive. Why should they share the benefit of their survival with anyone else ? What is in it for them ? But most of them do share. Many of them hire folks and groom them and teach them and show them the ropes. Many of them try to make a difference in the business, publically and quietly. But to expect them to put their ass on the line for another company ? Garbage, shouldn't happen and they shouldn't be asked to.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 16 2003, 12:48 AM
Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. """

That has been one of my favorite truisms through the years :)

[Nickatilynx]

sarettah,

Good posts. I read them , and they never mention $$$ ;-))))

[quiet]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 15 2003, 09:48 PM
The hell I will , Dravyk ;-)))

"""You need people like me.
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers, and say "that's the bad guy."
So, what'll that make you?
Good?
You're not good.
You just know how to hide, how to lie.
Me, I don't have that problem.
Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. """


;-))))
definitely good shit :)

[KRL]

Old timers being leaders? Where? Anyone I've known since '84, when I started investing in adult has come into this industry to do one thing make money, not to lead anything or anyone. This business is as competitive as it gets.

Just because someone sets up an affiliate program that turns into a monster marketing force within a couple years, doesn't mean they are some kind of captain of the industry or messiah.

You can't blame anyone for the highly fragmented state of adult today. What happened to dismantle the former iron power grip of the organized crime families that controlled most of the porn industry was the advent of technology. Its power to change things was and still is unstoppable.

The power shift started with the phone sex industry. When I got into it very early on, I absolutely expected a knock on the door with a couple of "the boys" saying, "Hi, we're gonna be your partners." But it never happened. I eventually got to know some of the old timers in the vid biz who were connected and most were not "Tony Soprano" style intimidating. Just tough Italian and Jewish guys, with subtle ties to the old style LCN crews out of New York, out to make a buck like anyone else. The implication and vibe was always there, but it was never taken to baseball bat "let's go out to the park" levels. LOL.

When the Net came into being right after that, the writing was on the wall instantly that the porn industry was going to be turned upside down and inside out for good, since any geek would have the ability to become a pornographer with instant access, with minimal capital requirements, to peddle smut to the masses and bypass all the traditional wholesale porn distribution channels that had been previously so tightly controlled by organized crime families and just a handful of non LCN players.

Most of the old timers missed the boat completely to keep any semblance of power within the new high tech distribution arena that unfolded. They weren't tech types and many still don't get it in my opinion. Guccione's demise is a classic example of someone not willing to effectively come to terms with the reality of a changing marketplace and make the changes necessary to retain their market share.

I think a lot of the old timers are still sitting back in disbelief shaking their heads saying "how the hell did all these young Turks take over everthing."



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[nlphoto]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Nov 15 2003, 10:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Nov 15 2003, 10:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Nov 15 2003, 11:32 PM
the "wild west" days are ending.

Yup...sure is getting tougher...might be time to hang up the guns soon ;-)))
Nick, will you be starring in the remake of "The Shootist"? :yowsa:[/b][/quote]
The Shootist ??

I was thinking more along the lines of Blazing Saddles... :yowsa:



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[confucy]

Wow, Sarettah, I looked at your long preaching posts and I moved on. Now I know why people bitch at me when I run at the mouth. I want short posts at 2 a.m. :yowsa:

Squirt, give 'em hell! I don't agree with everything you are saying, but I understand your frustration. What you are doing to fight Acacia is appreciated. Please don't throw in the towel because a few old-time losers are doing nothing. There are far more new webmasters who are sitting on their asses ignoring the problems.

Take a break and play with your son and your dog, and return to fight the battle. :inlove:

[slavdogg]

Whats an LCN ?

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:51 AM
Wow, Sarettah, I looked at your long preaching posts and I moved on. Now I know why people bitch at me when I run at the mouth. I want short posts at 2 a.m. :yowsa:
some people make a long post and its always worth reading
others make a long post and its always worth skipping



Squirt, give 'em hell! I don't agree with everything you are saying, but I understand your frustration. What you are doing to fight Acacia is appreciated. Please don't throw in the towel because a few old-time losers are doing nothing. There are far more new webmasters who are sitting on their asses ignoring the problems.


Squirt, you should always take confucy's advise :headwall:

[KRL]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Nov 16 2003, 03:56 AM
Whats an LCN ?
Commonly used DOJ (US Department of Justice / FBI) law enforcement term for the american mafia / organized crime families. LCN = La Cosa Nostra. "This thing of ours"

[Rolo]

I personally don´t care how long you have been in the industry - its what kind of business you run that I care about, and how we can profit from it B)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:51 AM
Wow, Sarettah, I looked at your long preaching posts and I moved on. Now I know why people bitch at me when I run at the mouth. I want short posts at 2 a.m. :yowsa:

Squirt, give 'em hell! I don't agree with everything you are saying, but I understand your frustration. What you are doing to fight Acacia is appreciated. Please don't throw in the towel because a few old-time losers are doing nothing. There are far more new webmasters who are sitting on their asses ignoring the problems.

Take a break and play with your son and your dog, and return to fight the battle. :inlove:
Which genre do you fall into?
Youve told us all that you were hre at the begining of time yet you cant even post a clickable signature...so that dont make you a webmster...new or old?

[Rolo]

Originally posted by KRL@Nov 15 2003, 10:37 PM
When the Net came into being right after that, the writing was on the wall instantly that the porn industry was going to be turned upside down and inside out for good, since any geek would have the ability to become a pornographer with instant access, with minimal capital requirements, to peddle smut to the masses and bypass all the traditional wholesale porn distribution channels that had been previously so tightly controlled by organized crime families and just a handful of non LCN players.
Good point!

The next question will be... If future goverments, and banks makes it alot more risky and expensive - will that make things reverse?

[Vick]

p.s. there are no leaders in the adult on line entertainment industry
(but a lot of followers) - there are some big companies but still no leaders

It's been said before but ...... you can't get 12 webmasters/company owners to agree on where to go to dinner much less agree on doing anything else

To think there is any type of "community" in the adult on line entertainment industry is an illusion

We all tend our own gardens

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 15 2003, 07:21 PM
After reading the thread (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=7166&s=8027c7265ecb05f753f260c117f13a02) I was somewhat taken back by how proud some were that they've been in the industry for so many years. Seems they were almost gloating at the fact they've been in this business a long time.

I've been in adult since 2000 .. but in the end.. how long you stay in business is no reflection on how successful you are. Your ability to innovate and adapt is much more important then how long you've been in the biz.

Kind of like a kid saying "I'm older then you are so I know better." We all know that's most often not always the case.

Looking at the current state of our industry I'd almost be ashamed to say I was an old timer. Where are the leaders? A sense of proffesional community? Seems like a lot of the old timers are struggling, like most others. Worse yet.. the old timers crawl under a rock and leave everyone else scurrying for cover when things get tough.

I've seen more new people to the industry working their asses off to make a difference then I have the old timers. What old timer example did Hustler give to our industry? I wont name more names ... but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

Being an old timer today means you contributed to the way things currenlty are and lack the leadership to make possitive changes in our industry. If you didn't.... things would be different in our industry today. No offense but old timers.. and leaders in other industries ( mainstream entertainment for example ) have used their knowledge to better the industry. I could go on but I wont.

Some will say it's nobodies responsibility to do anything possitive in our industry..... it is what it is. Porn will always be around regardless of how fucked up and disjointed our industry is. They say elders are the glue that holds a community together.... well not in adult... every man for himself here thanks to our elders. So what makes old timers special in our industry? Why should you get a medal for sticking around so long and creating such a mess?
good post and you definatelly have a point

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by quiet+Nov 15 2003, 09:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (quiet @ Nov 15 2003, 09:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Diamond Jim@Nov 15 2003, 05:54 PM
Do you have money sitting in the bank making nothing? I will give you 20% annual returns GUARANTEED by contract and secured by real estate. 50k minimum investment.

interesting sig...[/b][/quote]
not really...I sold house and sit on over mil in cash. I asked Jim to call me...did he?

nope...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 16 2003, 05:01 AM
p.s. there are no leaders in the adult on line entertainment industry
(but a lot of followers) - there are some big companies but still no leaders

It's been said before but ...... you can't get 12 webmasters/company owners to agree on where to go to dinner much less agree on doing anything else

To think there is any type of "community" in the adult on line entertainment industry is an illusion

We all tend our own gardens
Ron Levi used to be a leader...NOBODY replaced him
;-(

[Rolo]

In the few last years there has been lack of situations where the adult industry needed or created a leader. Most of the attacks on the adult industry has been target at individual companies for pushing the limits.

I´m sure there are plenty of individuals today who could become great leaders for our industry, but until the situation arrives, where they are forced into a battle for the whole industry, then everyone will keep minding their own business.



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[Peaches]

One thing you'd be hard pressed to dispute is that a lot of the "old timers" put a LOT of money in other people's pockets. Granted, they were also putting a chunk of change in their own in the process :awinky: but I never heard affiliates in the 90's complain about programs that were pushing the envelope as long as the $$$ was being shared with them. :okthumb:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:51 AM
Wow, Sarettah, I looked at your long preaching posts and I moved on.
Good, they weren't meant for you anyway....

[Peaches]

Originally posted by sarettah+Nov 16 2003, 10:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Nov 16 2003, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:51 AM
Wow, Sarettah, I looked at your long preaching posts and I moved on.
Good, they weren't meant for you anyway....[/b][/quote]
:wnw:

[Vick]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 16 2003, 06:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 16 2003, 06:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 16 2003, 05:01 AM
p.s. there are no leaders in the adult on line entertainment industry
(but a lot of followers) - there are some big companies but still no leaders

It's been said before but ...... you can't get 12 webmasters/company owners to agree on where to go to dinner much less agree on doing anything else

To think there is any type of "community" in the adult on line entertainment industry is an illusion

We all tend our own gardens
Ron Levi used to be a leader...NOBODY replaced him
;-([/b][/quote]
While I admired R_n's business acumen I never saw him as a leader

but that may just be a personal thing, not someone I'd emulate on some levels

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick+Nov 16 2003, 10:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Nov 16 2003, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 16 2003, 06:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 16 2003, 05:01 AM
p.s. there are no leaders in the adult on line entertainment industry
(but a lot of followers) - there are some big companies but still no leaders

It's been said before but ...... you can't get 12 webmasters/company owners to agree on where to go to dinner much less agree on doing anything else

To think there is any type of "community" in the adult on line entertainment industry is an illusion

We all tend our own gardens
Ron Levi used to be a leader...NOBODY replaced him
;-(
While I admired R_n's business acumen I never saw him as a leader

but that may just be a personal thing, not someone I'd emulate on some levels[/b][/quote]
he was...LOTS of innovations in thei industry, copied by others, came from him...he LEAD the industry in innovations

[Vick]

Are we going to go over who started the first click thru program ? :awinky:


I understand what you're saying and agree about leading in development so to speak

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:51 AM
Wow, Sarettah, I looked at your long preaching posts and I moved on. Now I know why people bitch at me when I run at the mouth. I want short posts at 2 a.m. :yowsa:

Squirt, give 'em hell! I don't agree with everything you are saying, but I understand your frustration. What you are doing to fight Acacia is appreciated. Please don't throw in the towel because a few old-time losers are doing nothing. There are far more new webmasters who are sitting on their asses ignoring the problems.

Take a break and play with your son and your dog, and return to fight the battle. :inlove:
Honey, you don't need to worry ... Mitnik wasn't mentioned, social engineering wasn't mentioned, and there were three and four syllable words in the post, so it's a good thing you avoided it.

[Nickatilynx]

I was thinking more along the lines of Blazing Saddles...

thats what was going for LOL


"""Yeah, I was the kid...it got so that every pissant prairie punk who thought he could shoot a gun would ride into town to try out the Waco Kid.
I must've killed more men than Cecil B Demille.
Got pretty gritty.
I started to hear the word draw in my sleep.
Then one day, I was just walking down the street, and I heard a voice behind me say, "Reach for it Mister!" I spun around and there I was face to face with a six-year-old kid.
Well I just threw my guns down and walked away....little bastard shot me in the ass!! So I limped to the nearest saloon, crawled into a whiskey bottle, and I've been there ever since.""""

;-))))

[Alex from Montreal]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 16 2003, 02:01 AM

To think there is any type of "community" in the adult on line entertainment industry is an illusion

We all tend our own gardens
I would beg to differ. Compared to other online industries such as the gaming with practically no support from your peers, I think the porn industry has a very strong community (or communities would be a better word).

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 16 2003, 12:48 AM
The hell I will , Dravyk ;-)))

"""You need people like me.
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers, and say "that's the bad guy."
So, what'll that make you?
Good?
You're not good.
You just know how to hide, how to lie.
Me, I don't have that problem.
Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. """


;-))))
I never tire of posting these quotes.. especially for you "Old Scrotch" :devil:

Bashir: So of the stories you told me, which ones were true?
Garak: My dear doctor, all of them were true.
Bashir: What about the lies?
Garak: Especially the lies.
The Wire

and

(Bashir tells the story of the boy who cried "Wolf")
Bashir: If you lie all the time, no one is going to believe you, even when you're telling the truth.
Garak: Are you sure that's the point, Doctor?
Bashir: Of course. What else would it be?
Garak: That you should never tell the same lie twice.
Improbable Cause

and

Garak: The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination.
Improbable Cause

and

Odo: You'd shoot a man in the back?
Garak: It's the safest way, isn't it?
Call to Arms



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[Soul_Rebel]

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal+Nov 16 2003, 08:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alex from Montreal @ Nov 16 2003, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 16 2003, 02:01 AM

To think there is any type of "community" in the adult on line entertainment industry is an illusion

We all tend our own gardens
I would beg to differ. Compared to other online industries such as the gaming with practically no support from your peers, I think the porn industry has a very strong community (or communities would be a better word).[/b][/quote]
true

[*KK*]

Hahaha, who wants to lead this motley crew out of the frying pan and into the fire?

The very reason this business makes money is the fact that there is no formalized structure and the participants, especially the successful ones, have gone and done things their own way.

To lead in this business is to set yourself up with a very big bullseye in a most uncomfortable place. Regardless of whether you've really done anything wrong or not. Case in point would be the FTC and Maxcash -- no wrongdoing at the end of it all but the damage to the business was done even though.

It's very important how long you've been in this business, if for no other reason than those with longevity have seen more of what works and what doesn't and can tailor their business accordingly.

[confucy]

Gonzo, I was having computer problems. I need a new one. Serge helps me with my avatars & banners, so don't you worry about me.

PornoDog Person, you know nothing about me. Everything I did was thought out and calculated. If you don't understand, that is your problem. Go jerk off and forget I exist. :gbounce:

Sarettah, if you weren't including me in your diatribe, then you should have been. You should be speaking to each and every webmaster. Most are like PornDog and must be spoon fed with short word bytes. :D

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:21 PM
Gonzo, I was having computer problems. I need a new one. Serge helps me with my avatars & banners, so don't you worry about me.

PornoDog Person, you know nothing about me. Everything I did was thought out and calculated. If you don't understand, that is your problem. Go jerk off and forget I exist. :gbounce:

Sarettah, if you weren't including me in your diatribe, then you should have been. You should be speaking to each and every webmaster. Most are like PornDog and must be spoon fed with short word bytes. :D
He would have spoke to you but your not a webmaster...your Lew Payne's errand girl.

[confucy]

Hey Gonzo Bonzo, what's a female supposed to do! We are taught from an early age how to give good head and run errands. It's a cruel CRUEL world! :rokk:

[Rolo]

I just finished reading a book called "A Fugitive Crosses his Tracks" - it has something called the "The Law of Jante":

- Don't think that you are something special
- Don't think that you are of the same standing as us
- Don't think that you are smarter than us
- Don't think you are better than us
- Don't think you know more than us
- Don't think you are more important than us
- Don't think you you have skills for anything
- Don't laugh at us
- Don't think anyone likes you
- Don't think you can teach us anything

Is there any truth in this law - in the adult industry?

[Mike AI]

Squirt you make some good points, there are some new guys who are up and commers and are doing things well. There are also a bunch of old timers who have become nothing but scrubs. Infact, I am seeing more and more old schoolers acting more like cockholsters.

To me its not about being in the busniess for 8 years, but rather dealing with people who have been around for a LEAST a year. Once they make it past a year, working full time, people tend to understand the business.

I prefer to work with people I know, who have been around, or at least is known or dealt with someone else I respect.

It is like that in all of life.... not just this biz.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo@Nov 16 2003, 05:00 PM
He would have spoke to you but your not a webmaster...your Lew Payne's errand girl.
The rest of us thought it, and you said it. :)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 04:08 PM
Hey Gonzo Bonzo, what's a female supposed to do! We are taught from an early age how to give good head and run errands. It's a cruel CRUEL world! :rokk:
Every man's nightmare is a closet lesbian man hater trying to give head.
Teeth across the foreskin is much more worse than fingernails across the blackboard.

[confucy]

Peaches, you are so pathetic. What in the fuck have you done to make the porn industry a better place? You talk about hating men. You talk about your weight gain. You talk about your log cabin. You talk about your son who is all grown up but still lives at home and pisses you off. You sit on that fat ass of yours and attack me when you could be on match.com looking for a lover girlfriend. Take your money and go to a diet clinic. Get some lipo. WORK OUT and get in shape. When you do all these things, then come back and give me advice. :nyanya:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 04:36 PM
Peaches, you are so pathetic. What in the fuck have you done to make the porn industry a better place? You talk about hating men. You talk about your weight gain. You talk about your log cabin. You talk about your son who is all grown up but still lives at home and pisses you off. You sit on that fat ass of yours and attack me when you could be on match.com looking for a lover girlfriend. Take your money and go to a diet clinic. Get some lipo. WORK OUT and get in shape. When you do all these things, then come back and give me advice. :nyanya:
I see its Peaches turn in the barrell.

KK & Carrie your next in the rotation!

Where's that kinder holiday Jackie we were supposed to see?
I guess she got ill trying to figure out how to make that banner clickable.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo@Nov 16 2003, 05:40 PM
I see its Peaches turn in the barrell.

KK & Carrie your next in the rotation!

Where's that kinder holiday Jackie we were supposed to see?
I guess she got ill trying to figure out how to make that banner clickable.
She keeps thinking that if she goes from female to female and attacks them regarding things she's obviously clueless about, she'll eventually hit on one that gives a crap about what she thinks. :okthumb:

From what I can, Lee is the only person who can stand her, on or off the internet. :(

Darcy told her how to make her banner clickable and gave her the exact code. I wonder if Lew told her he didn't want his program associated with her. :unsure:

[Rolo]

Who really cares about this Cuntfucy person? I mean beside bringing pageviews to a thread, then her being makes no difference?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Rolo@Nov 16 2003, 05:47 PM
Who really cares about this Cuntfucy person? I mean beside bringing pageviews to a thread, then her being makes no difference?
Remember the kid in school who was a real jerk but thought he was a player? Part of you would want to feel bad for him that he was such a total loser, but he was so arrogant, that you just sat back and watched him make a fool out himself. That's confucy. :P

Half the fun of C is to get her all riled up and watch her blow her top. :okthumb: She's merely here for our entertainment. She's never done business with anyone here and no one's ever met her, so it's obvious she has nothing to do with this industry. She has even admitted that she posts on porn boards because non-adult boards are less tolerant and won't let her "spread the word" about Kevin Mitnick. :unsure:

I live in the woods so we don't get many traveling comedians to do shows up here. Watching her make things up in an attempt to attack people is pure entertainment for me. :yowsa:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:21 PM
Sarettah, if you weren't including me in your diatribe, then you should have been.
It was not a diatribe. It was a calm reasoned reply to Squirts original post.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 03:21 PM
Gonzo, I was having computer problems. I need a new one. Serge helps me with my avatars & banners, so don't you worry about me.

PornoDog Person, you know nothing about me. Everything I did was thought out and calculated. If you don't understand, that is your problem. Go jerk off and forget I exist. :gbounce:

Sarettah, if you weren't including me in your diatribe, then you should have been. You should be speaking to each and every webmaster. Most are like PornDog and must be spoon fed with short word bytes. :D
Honey, I not only don't know anything about you, I don't WANT to know anything about you. The degree to which you are annoying is only exceeded by the degree to which you are irrelevant.

You are the red-white-and-blue flags in front of a used car dealership - a cheap gimmick to generate some attention (page views).

Ordinarilly I let your rants slide by - I have a certain empathy for the emotionally disturbed, and try not to let them get under my skin. I guess I'm just having a very bad day - it happens at my age. I'm sure you remember that.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 16 2003, 04:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 16 2003, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--confucy@Nov 16 2003, 04:36 PM
Peaches, you are so pathetic. What in the fuck have you done to make the porn industry a better place? You talk about hating men. You talk about your weight gain. You talk about your log cabin. You talk about your son who is all grown up but still lives at home and pisses you off. You sit on that fat ass of yours and attack me when you could be on match.com looking for a lover girlfriend. Take your money and go to a diet clinic. Get some lipo. WORK OUT and get in shape. When you do all these things, then come back and give me advice. :nyanya:
I see its Peaches turn in the barrell.

KK & Carrie your next in the rotation!

Where's that kinder holiday Jackie we were supposed to see?
I guess she got ill trying to figure out how to make that banner clickable.[/b][/quote]
I held out in that barrel for nearly two years - I'm taking a break.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 01:08 PM
Hey Gonzo Bonzo, what's a female supposed to do! We are taught from an early age how to give good head and run errands. It's a cruel CRUEL world! :rokk:
I don't care what any of you say, those are two redeeming qualities if ever I saw some :yowsa:

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 04:36 PM
You sit on that fat ass of yours
c;mon!!! I am trying to work here and you are giving me a woody again!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 16 2003, 04:57 PM


Half the fun of C is to get her all riled up and watch her blow
e tu Brutte????

all I can think now is sexual intercourse...oh, wait, Clinton says blow job is not it...I am all confused now!
;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 16 2003, 04:57 PM
Half the fun of C is to get her all riled up and watch her blow her top.
Awwww ... you wouldn't be trying to social engineer her, wouldja?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 16 2003, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 16 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Nov 16 2003, 04:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--confucy@Nov 16 2003, 04:36 PM
Peaches, you are so pathetic. What in the fuck have you done to make the porn industry a better place? You talk about hating men. You talk about your weight gain. You talk about your log cabin. You talk about your son who is all grown up but still lives at home and pisses you off. You sit on that fat ass of yours and attack me when you could be on match.com looking for a lover girlfriend. Take your money and go to a diet clinic. Get some lipo. WORK OUT and get in shape. When you do all these things, then come back and give me advice. :nyanya:
I see its Peaches turn in the barrell.

KK & Carrie your next in the rotation!

Where's that kinder holiday Jackie we were supposed to see?
I guess she got ill trying to figure out how to make that banner clickable.
I held out in that barrel for nearly two years - I'm taking a break.[/b][/quote]
We got Kevlar for you too!

[confucy]

Carrie, I haven't forgotten you, but I don't feel good about attacking pregnant ladies. I can only imagine how it feels when your hormones go jumping up and down like this smilie. :gbounce:

I never disliked you, I was just disappointed in your actions on Netpond. I'm not perfect. I agree with you that it would make more sense to spend time helping webmasters fight Acacia than fighting with girlfriends of hackers.

Peaches, I can think of quite a few webmasters who like me. Don't feel sorry for me, Argentina....whoops, I meant Peaches. I feel sorry for you. You make too many excuses for yourself. Get off your butt and move it. You can't expect the fat to roll off as you sit there pounding the keyboard.

My brother likes muscular and fit women. Why not meet him in LV and let him help you get into shape. Look what has happened to Asia Carrera. She has fallen in love with a fitness and health guru. She is giddy and happy. The same can happen to you, but you have to pull yourself aways from the computer and get a life.

Back to the American Music Awards Show. :bwave:

[girlgeek]

Looks like I missed all the fun, while I was spending the weekend in the ER having emergency surgery. Now that the morphine has worn off...

Originally posted by confucy+Nov 16 2003, 08:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (confucy @ Nov 16 2003, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I'm not perfect. I agree with you that it would make more sense to spend time helping webmasters fight Acacia than fighting with girlfriends of hackers.[/b]

How the hell did I get dragged into this? Sheesh! I see you are still using the same material, just shifting it to another person.

Originally posted by -confucy@Nov 16 2003, 08:38 PM
The same can happen to you, but you have to pull yourself aways from the computer and get a life.


HAHAHAHAHAHA! There's some advice you should take yourself.

<!--QuoteBegin--confucy@Nov 16 2003, 08:38 PM
Gonzo, I was having computer problems. I need a new one. Serge helps me with my avatars & banners, so don't you worry about me. [/quote]

Computer problems? The only one computer problem that you could have had with making that banner clickable with the code I gave you, was USER ERROR.

Sorry to see the meds have worn off, and you're back to yourself. I know you will respond to this, because you have to try and have the last word. Let's see if you can do it without dragging Kevin into it, or mentioning social engineering.

[Carrie]

Darci what was the surgery for? Since you're home and posting I take it you're okay?
Hope you're feeling better in any case http://images.fotki.com/v12/photos/1/10971/157310/a20smiley20flower20pot20daisy-th.jpg

[girlgeek]

Thanks Carrie. I'm doing OK. I had a small cyst that had become infected, so they removed it. I'll be dancing with Lady Demerol for a few days.

How's the morning sickness? Has it started yet?

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 11:38 PM
Carrie, I haven't forgotten you, but I don't feel good about attacking pregnant ladies. I can only imagine how it feels when your hormones go jumping up and down like this smilie. :gbounce:


You know ... I really shouldn't. It's such a cheap shot. It's just too easy. Bad Doggy!!! Bad!!!!

Honey, you do more than imagine it ... you are the friggin' POSTER CHILD for it ...

[confucy]

You can come back if you like, Darci, and have a final word. After your surgery, you deserve the final word. By the way, did I mention your name or your BF's name? I wasn't referring to you, sweetie. There are other hackers in the world, though in your eyes, there is only one. Paranoia and assumptions are a bitch.

I just wanted to wish you a speedy recovery. :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 16 2003, 11:38 PM
Get off your butt and move it.
ahhh..Peaches butt...what a way to staret a day!
;-))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:36 AM
By the way, did I mention your name or your BF's name? I wasn't referring to you, sweetie. There are other hackers in the world, though in your eyes, there is only one. Paranoia and assumptions are a bitch.
Just for the fun of watching you make something up, then who where you referring to? B)

[Carrie]

Originally posted by girlgeek@Nov 17 2003, 01:12 AM
Thanks Carrie. I'm doing OK. I had a small cyst that had become infected, so they removed it. I'll be dancing with Lady Demerol for a few days.

How's the morning sickness? Has it started yet?
No praying to Ralph the toilet god yet!
I didn't have it with the first two so I'm hoping that holds up with this one as well. I've found that getting enough sleep really makes a difference in whether I feel good when I wake up or whether I feel like I've been hit by a truck and have a queasy stomach. I've got animal crackers and Tums within arm's reach for the rare queasy moments though.

Tylenol, Tums, and Pepsi with a bit of lemon juice... a pregnant woman's best friends!

PS - I've got my first doctor's appt today, no idea if they'll give me a sonogram right there or schedule me for one. Usually they do one at a month along to check the dates and stuff; since I'm 2 months along I might get to see the little squirt today!



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[confucy]

Peaches, you really do read my posts. You remember things that I said years ago. Thank you for being such a fan. That's what happens when you don't have a life. You remember shit about people you don't like and store it up like acorns. I bet you love squirrels.

The hacker is Roscoe Miller who is a ham. I have known him for 15 years and he is a true hacker...not a cracker. His girlfriend is a druggie and she calls me and bitches every time he gets fed up and leaves her.

Pretty boring, huh Peaches. Let's talk about your garlic icecream. :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

wehat??? no peaches' ass?????

I am VERY disapointed, confucy!
;-((

[girlgeek]

Funny, a name search through the FCC database turns up no Roscoe Miller as a ham. Is this one of your imaginary playmates?

Carrie, glad to hear that you have managed to stay clear of the morning sickness. Being at two months, and not having any yet, could be a sign of a smooth pregnancy. Good luck on the sonogram. It will be nice to hear the thump-thump-thump!

[confucy]

Geeky, thought you were sick. Wouldn't your family be concerned if they knew you were wasting your time away on a porn board? Wouldn't your daugher wonder why mommy is looking at naked pics on a porn board and hanging out with a fat slob named Gonzo?

Do you think I would give the ham's true name, Darci? Unlike you and your BF, I believe in keeping personal information off boards of all kinds. You would think that after all those years of KM's info being spread all over the place, that he would respect other's privacy.

Now, go back to your blog...take your meds, and stay away from big infected cocks. How do you think you got that cyst on your cervix? Unsafe sex. Of course, being that your BF was in prison for all those years his entire life wouldn't have anything to do with growths and blood transmitted diseases, now would it?????

I have tried to play nice with you because it isn't you who lied to me and backstabbed me, but you are the current love interest in KM's life, and each and every one of his girlfriend's has taken on the role of his protector. How much does he pay you for your services? I would charge him $50,000 for this latest cyst problem. :agrin:

[confucy]

Serge, I prefer talking about cysts and gooey infections over big plump asses. Now if Peaches has a cyst on her ass, I can take that story and run with it. :rolleyes:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:21 PM
Serge, I prefer talking about cysts and gooey infections over big plump asses. Now if Peaches has a cyst on her ass, I can take that story and run with it. :rolleyes:
confucy, are you connected???


John 'Johnny Sack' Sacrimoni: I want you to sanction a hit on Ralph Cifaretto.
Carmine Lupertazzi: Why?
John 'Johnny Sack' Sacrimoni: He violated my wife's honor.
Carmine Lupertazzi: He slept with Ginny?
John 'Johnny Sack' Sacrimoni: No. He insulted her.
Carmine Lupertazzi: What did he say?
John 'Johnny Sack' Sacrimoni: Can't you take my word for it?
Carmine Lupertazzi: Not if you want him clipped over it.

[confucy]

Kevin 'fat felon fuck' Mitnick: I'm clean as the fallen snow.
Darci 'girlgeek' Woods: But...but Kevin, I haven't slept with
anyone but you!
Kevin 'fat felon fuck' Mitnick: I never lie! That cyst
is disgusting and it makes me want to puke! You know
I have a sensitive stomach!
Darci 'girlgeek' Woods: I'm contacting Dr.Serge...he will
know the truth.
Kevin 'fat felon fuck' Mitnick: Fuck your doctor. I will
sue the bastard along with that bitch confucy. And I will
sue you, too, geeky, if you don't shut the fuck up!
Darci 'girlgeek' Woods: Oh Kevie, don't yell at me, you
will still get your nightly blowjob, but you can't fuck
me in the ass again until you are checked by Dr. Serge.
Kevin 'fat felon fuck' Mitnick: Your allowance has been
suspended until you spread your cheeks! You are my
sex slave and don't you forget it!

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 11:17 AM
Geeky, thought you were sick. Wouldn't your family be concerned if they knew you were wasting your time away on a porn board? Wouldn't your daugher wonder why mommy is looking at naked pics on a porn board and hanging out with a fat slob named Gonzo?

Do you think I would give the ham's true name, Darci? Unlike you and your BF, I believe in keeping personal information off boards of all kinds. You would think that after all those years of KM's info being spread all over the place, that he would respect other's privacy.

Now, go back to your blog...take your meds, and stay away from big infected cocks. How do you think you got that cyst on your cervix? Unsafe sex. Of course, being that your BF was in prison for all those years his entire life wouldn't have anything to do with growths and blood transmitted diseases, now would it?????

I have tried to play nice with you because it isn't you who lied to me and backstabbed me, but you are the current love interest in KM's life, and each and every one of his girlfriend's has taken on the role of his protector. How much does he pay you for your services? I would charge him $50,000 for this latest cyst problem. :agrin:
You are so transparent. Each time you get caught in a lie, you resort to the same kind of attacks, regardless of who it is. Just like you started in on Peaches on this thread about hating men, you try and deflect away from the subject of your own lies. Wasn't Roscoe, Lewis Depayne's hacker handle? Since he was partners with Kevin, and engaged in the same activities, does that make him a cracker, too? My God, you are so predictable.

The cyst was not on my cervix, but I anticpated that from you. What is so wrong with this board? If it so bad, why are you here? You look down on all these people, yet you aspire to be one of them. As far as Gonzo goes, I like him. You don't like him, Peaches, Carrie or myself, because we have all caught you in numerous lies. Again, I like it here, and I'm not going anywhere. You should take the advice given to you the other night, and leave us alone.

You have never tried to play nice with me. This is more libelous stuff, just like everything else you have written here. I am not his protector, Jackie, I am his girlfriend. Someone who cares about him, and won't let you just sit there and keep lying about him. Why do you keep this up? No one here believes you. Do you think that is going to change?

[Winetalk.com]

Tony urges Dr. Melfi to get out of town for a while
Dr. Jennifer Melfi: I have patients who are suicidal!
Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: Well they're not gonna feel any better about their life if you get clipped.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:17 PM
Geeky, thought you were sick. Wouldn't your family be concerned if they knew you were wasting your time away on a porn board? Wouldn't your daugher wonder why mommy is looking at naked pics on a porn board and hanging out with a fat slob named Gonzo?

Do you think I would give the ham's true name, Darci? Unlike you and your BF, I believe in keeping personal information off boards of all kinds. You would think that after all those years of KM's info being spread all over the place, that he would respect other's privacy.

Now, go back to your blog...take your meds, and stay away from big infected cocks. How do you think you got that cyst on your cervix? Unsafe sex. Of course, being that your BF was in prison for all those years his entire life wouldn't have anything to do with growths and blood transmitted diseases, now would it?????

I have tried to play nice with you because it isn't you who lied to me and backstabbed me, but you are the current love interest in KM's life, and each and every one of his girlfriend's has taken on the role of his protector. How much does he pay you for your services? I would charge him $50,000 for this latest cyst problem. :agrin:
All is right in the world...Granny Jackie has returned!!

[Winetalk.com]

Dr. Melfi: .....I say what your mother has, at the very least is what we call Borderline Personality Disorder.
Tony: A Borderline Personality Disorder?
Dr. Melfi: Lemme read to you from the DSM form, okay? Definitions of the condition. "A pattern of unstable relationships, effective instability." It means intense anxiety, a joylessness. These people's internal phobia are the only things that exisit to them, the real world, real people are peripheral. These people have no love or compassion. Borderline personalities are very good at splitting behavior, creating bitterness and conflict between others in the circle.
Tony: You twisted fucking bitch! That's my mother we're talking about, not some fuck up in Attica, stabbin' you in the shower!

[confucy]

Peeps, if you go back in time, you will see that I was minding my own business. Along come my fans and stir the shit.

If you want the good confucy, then reciprocate. Stop taking your cheap shots, and you will find you will get none in return. I can't help it if webmasters love to bring out the bad confucy. It's much more fun being evil than saintly. Just ask Mitnick! :D

Darci, there isn't a damn thing wrong with Oprano. What is odd and out of whack is that you have nothing to do with porn and you set yourself up as the queen of hackers, yet you spend your time following me around the porn boards to see what I have said about you or Mitnick which you can use against me. Dearie Geeky, this is a wide-open board with many crazies. You fit right in, so drop this phony facade and stay your bitchy self. You can't have it both ways or they will be labeling you a confucy clone.

Look at all you could be doing for your family if you didn't waste so much time on the boards being hateful. Why do you continue to bring up the name of Mitnick's co-defendant. He doesn't talk about you or Mitnick. You are a very vengeful geek, Darci. Shouldn't you be taking your meds and getting some sleep?

GO TO THE BEDROOM & LET MITNICK GIVE YOUR PUSSY A NICE CLEANING. Isn't it about time he performed his cracker duties??????

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:57 PM


GO TO THE BEDROOM & LET MITNICK GIVE YOUR PUSSY A NICE CLEANING. Isn't it about time he performed his cracker duties??????
I object on behalf of all hot red bloodied males in this forum!

Cleaning pussy is NOT our responcibility!!!

damn! :grrr:

[confucy]

In most situations, a nice licking would suffice.

However, when you are getting cysts which require immediate surgery, something has gone awry...and then the pussy needs a deep, under-the folds super duper cleaning. Mitnick's tongue is known to be very long due to all that prison activity, so why not put it to good use by improving the health of his geek girlfriend along with getting her off. She deserves it!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by girlgeek@Nov 17 2003, 02:55 PM
Funny, a name search through the FCC database turns up no Roscoe Miller as a ham. Is this one of your imaginary playmates?
What's even funnier is that she honestly thinks anyone here believes her. :P Yeah, it always makes sense to make attacks at people on a board where no one even knows who the "attackees" are, lol! :yowsa:

Oh, I can't stand that damn Russian! Piece of crap that he is! Oh, I wasn't talking about Serge, I was talking about a boyfriend I had in the 3rd grade who broke up with me when I wouldn't wear his ID bracelet. :nyanya:

[Winetalk.com]

confucy,
take time off the boards, it affects you and not in a positive way...

why don't you do some digging on Lens?
he is much more fun to play with
;-))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 03:14 PM


Oh, I can't stand that damn Russian! Piece of crap that he is! Oh, I wasn't talking about Serge, I was talking about a boyfriend I had in the 3rd grade who broke up with me when I wouldn't wear his ID bracelet. :nyanya:
I guess me getting piece of ass from you is now out of the questions
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:57 PM
Peeps, if you go back in time, you will see that I was minding my own business. Along come my fans and stir the shit.
This just replaced J'springer saying Sabby was always in a foul mood as the funniest thing I've seen posted on this board. :yowsa:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 17 2003, 04:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 17 2003, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 03:14 PM


Oh, I can't stand that damn Russian! Piece of crap that he is! Oh, I wasn't talking about Serge, I was talking about a boyfriend I had in the 3rd grade who broke up with me when I wouldn't wear his ID bracelet. :nyanya:
I guess me getting piece of ass from you is now out of the questions
;-)))[/b][/quote]
I'll get some liposuction and send you a whole bunch of my ass! :)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches+Nov 17 2003, 03:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Nov 17 2003, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 17 2003, 04:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 03:14 PM


Oh, I can't stand that damn Russian! Piece of crap that he is! Oh, I wasn't talking about Serge, I was talking about a boyfriend I had in the 3rd grade who broke up with me when I wouldn't wear his ID bracelet. :nyanya:
I guess me getting piece of ass from you is now out of the questions
;-)))
I'll get some liposuction and send you a whole bunch of my ass! :)[/b][/quote]
liposuction???

the sure way to lose me forever!
;-)))

[confucy]

Serge, hasn't your philosophy always been.....if you can't take the heat, then you don't belong on Oprano?

I didn't bring up geeky's name. I didn't mention Mitnick. She came rushing to Oprano to inform us about her cyst. Who the fucks want to hear about a god damn cyst? Especially when no details are given.

If Darci can't handle the kidding, then she should go back to her blog and Mitnick blowjobs!

I'm feeling just fine, Serge. Never better. :rokk:

[Winetalk.com]

confucy,
Oprano is a board where everybody have the rights to share anything personal...

once again:
play with Lensman, he is much more fun!

wanna find the results of his colonoscopy? I can point you in the right direction
;_)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 04:30 PM
Serge, hasn't your philosophy always been.....if you can't take the heat, then you don't belong on Oprano?

I didn't bring up geeky's name. I didn't mention Mitnick. She came rushing to Oprano to inform us about her cyst. Who the fucks want to hear about a god damn cyst? Especially when no details are given.

If Darci can't handle the kidding, then she should go back to her blog and Mitnick blowjobs!

A ) who here can't take the heat? You're the one who goes balistic on a constant basis. :P
B ) I'm GLAD Darci didn't give us the details! She let us know why she'd been absent from the board, Carrie wanted to make sure she was OK, she gave us enough details to satisfy everyone but you. :awinky:
C ) Darci's been handling the heat QUITE well! Again, a lot better than you do. :D


I'm feeling just fine, Serge. Never better. :rokk:
D ) If this is your "better"....... :zoinks:



Last edited by Peaches at Nov 17 2003, 04:38 PM

[confucy]

Lensman doesn't interest me. He is all business. The only thing personal he shares with his users is an occasional picture of a car.

It makes me very nervous when board owners eliminate certain names of competitors and willy nilly delete entire threads. Lensman has been showing very poor judgment for a long time. When I say what I really feel on GFY, I get banned. It's not worth the trouble! :headwall:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:30 PM
Serge, hasn't your philosophy always been.....if you can't take the heat, then you don't belong on Oprano?

Oh yeah the meds have wore all the way off...

Dont I recall you in the pst few months running to Mike and Serge to tell them to tell me to stop picking on you?

Once again we see its one set of rules for Confucy [which change depending on the color of the pills]
And another set of rules for the rest of us.

Get Lew to install a logic chip so you can realize that its impossible for me and Peaches to have an affiar and her be a closet lesbian.

But since its the holidays...Ill be as bold to extend an invitation to you.
You show up in Vegas and Ill take you to dinner to the Foundation Room at the House of Blues. You can be singing em and eating some soul food at the same time. And if you like Ill bring Brother Kev and Darci along as well.

No joke. Got the guts?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:41 PM
Lensman doesn't interest me. He is all business. The only thing personal he shares with his users is an occasional picture of a car.

It makes me very nervous when board owners eliminate certain names of competitors and willy nilly delete entire threads. Lensman has been showing very poor judgment for a long time. When I say what I really feel on GFY, I get banned. It's not worth the trouble! :headwall:
you think his relatives are as lucky as GFY users and have seen the pic of his car?
you think his relatives pray for him?
;-)))

[confucy]

My dear sweet Peaches!

I sure as hell get to you, babes. The more I tease and kid you, the more you believe I am telling the truth. If you want to know about me, call me. If you want to read 50% truth and 50% bullshit, then continue to read my posts. I'm a cross between Howard Stern and Luke Ford. Sometimes I'm right...sometimes I'm wrong, but da people keep on a listenin' :inlove:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 04:46 PM
My dear sweet Peaches!

I sure as hell get to you, babes. The more I tease and kid you, the more you believe I am telling the truth.
Gosh, you're right! I never leave my house, I make quilts, I'm having what seems to be a long term affair with Gonzo, BUT neither one of us ever gets laid, AND I'm a closet lesbian. Damn. Amazing that you know me so well. :(

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:46 PM
My dear sweet Peaches!

I sure as hell get to you, babes. The more I tease and kid you, the more you believe I am telling the truth. If you want to know about me, call me. If you want to read 50% truth and 50% bullshit, then continue to read my posts. I'm a cross between Howard Stern and Luke Ford. Sometimes I'm right...sometimes I'm wrong, but da people keep on a listenin' :inlove:
People love to see just how far Granny is gonna go!
Can you spin us some more yarns about how you get out on 2 meters with your antenna hooked to a pie pan?

[confucy]

Gonzo, you are talking out your ass......as usual. I have never asked Mike or Serge to give me a fucking break about anything except the posting of SS#'s. That is an illegal act and will get you into trouble that you would regret for the rest of your life. Try it again, Gonzo, and I will prove it to you. There should be no posting of names of relatives, their addresses, phone numbers, dates of birth, etc. Mitnick is an expert at violating the law. The FBI has been contacted. That was a long time ago. They keep a close watch on Mitnick and his radio and internet activities.

There is a line you don't cross. You leave the relatives out of your personal internet and radio threats. I'm accused of not knowing anything about the webmasters. Wrong. I have met many webmasters, but I don't run up to them and say, "Hi, I'm confucy!"

And the Lew Payne bullshit is getting much older than my Mitnick comments. I have some domains on his servers. That's it. Finale. You have no right bringing up his name and the same goes for Darci/geeky. He isn't here to defend himself. Unlike you losers, he is conducting business and making money.

Now, Gonzo, if you have nothing new to add, then I suggest you take your lies and bullshit and shove them up your fat ass. You are a bore! ROBIN, PLEASE COME BACK! :rokk:

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 12:38 PM
A ) who here can't take the heat? You're the one who goes balistic on a constant basis. :P
B ) I'm GLAD Darci didn't give us the details! She let us know why she'd been absent from the board, Carrie wanted to make sure she was OK, she gave us enough details to satisfy everyone but you. :awinky:
C ) Darci's been handling the heat QUITE well! Again, a lot better than you do. :D


Peaches :okthumb:

At least I'm not whining and crying to Mike, Serge and Gonzo each time you spew your bullshit, Jackie.

Gonzo, if she is going to dinner, then I get to wear the coat! It will keep me warm and help me overcome the feeling of nausea I will have in her presence. She won't show up. This Vegas stuff is all bullshit. I may not be perfect, but at least i'm not afraid to show my face outside of my house.

BTW, Kevin never posted any SSNs. Show us a post where you can prove this. While you're at it, show the statute that says it is illegal. It is only illegal to do it when you attempt to defraud a financial institution. If there is some weird law in California, it wouldn't apply here. Oprano is not in California and neither are any of us. Lew is helping you with information, so I'll bring him up any damn time I please.

What's really getting old is this FBI routine. They LAUGHED when we were informed of the letter you wrote. The thought you were some kind of kook. It looks like they were right.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 04:58 PM
There should be no posting of names of relatives

There is a line you don't cross. You leave the relatives out of your personal internet and radio threats.
You mean like you did with Kevin's uncle? :unsure:

I have some domains on his servers.
Why?
You have no right bringing up his name and the same goes for Darci/geeky.
He's in the porn biz and this is a porn board. Or is he someone's relative? :P
You are a bore!
Oh, I don't think ANYONE'S bored, lol!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:58 PM
Gonzo, you are talking out your ass......as usual. I have never asked Mike or Serge to give me a fucking break about anything except the posting of SS#'s. That is an illegal act and will get you into trouble that you would regret for the rest of your life. Try it again, Gonzo, and I will prove it to you. There should be no posting of names of relatives, their addresses, phone numbers, dates of birth, etc. Mitnick is an expert at violating the law. The FBI has been contacted. That was a long time ago. They keep a close watch on Mitnick and his radio and internet activities.

There is a line you don't cross. You leave the relatives out of your personal internet and radio threats. I'm accused of not knowing anything about the webmasters. Wrong. I have met many webmasters, but I don't run up to them and say, "Hi, I'm confucy!"

And the Lew Payne bullshit is getting much older than my Mitnick comments. I have some domains on his servers. That's it. Finale. You have no right bringing up his name and the same goes for Darci/geeky. He isn't here to defend himself. Unlike you losers, he is conducting business and making money.

Now, Gonzo, if you have nothing new to add, then I suggest you take your lies and bullshit and shove them up your fat ass. You are a bore! ROBIN, PLEASE COME BACK! :rokk:
Merry Chrstmas...

Will that be the 3rd cease and desist letter your going to have sent to me?

DOB: 09/08/1941
Her married name is: Jacqueline Ann Marian. Her late husband Paul George Marian croaked earlier this year.
enjoy that info

Jacqueline Ann Barley

4143 Via Marina #418
Marina Del Rey, CA. 90292

************************************************** ***********
I think its time you started showing the rest of us a little respect though.
Since your acting like a kindergartner Im thinking about treating you like one.
So heres the new deal ...[thanks Peaches]

I hate banning people. So Serge gave us all a new idea. When you continue to be bad you will be given a time out in the time out corner so you can take your midcation and be a good Confucy. You said you wanted to be a good Confucy didnt you?

When you are a bad Confucy I will put a dunce hat on you --stand you in the corner and your access to Oprano will be suspended until we all agree that youve had sufficent "time out".

[confucy]

Squirt, I'd much rather get back to the original subject, but you know how threads get twisted around. There have been some interesting comments made by Serge and Brandon about Acacia.

Whether you have been in the adult business for years, or just recently entered, the key is solidarity. I would like to see a PORN UNION established with yearly fees. My teachers' union was very powerful, and the unions for the grocery store workers and the mass transit people are fighting for their rights in Southern California, and have been striking for over a month. :wnw:

[ulfie]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:57 PM
Look at all you could be doing for your family if you didn't waste so much time on the boards being hateful.
Hello pot, this is kettle calling....

[girlgeek]

Gonzo, there are so many pearls in there, it's hard to choose just one, but...

When you are a bad Confucy I will put a dunce hat on you --stand you in the corner and your access to Oprano will be suspended until we all agree that youve had sufficent "time out".

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 05:14 PM
My teachers' union was very powerful, and the unions for the grocery store workers and the mass transit people are fighting for their rights in Southern California, and have been striking for over a month. :wnw:
Aside from the laugh we're all getting from you claiming to be a teacher, I would guess that 98% of the REAL porn webmasters think that unions are an incredible waste of money and time.

How much are those grocery store workers making for their unskilled labor especially when you add in the benefits? And how much more are they asking for? Unions cause businesses to grossly overpay employees and practically guarantee they won't be fired unless they break the law (and even then they don't always get fired).

Unions have WAY outlasted their usefulness, but I'm not surprised with your lack of business knowledge you think they're something to be copied for the porn industry. :unsure:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by girlgeek@Nov 17 2003, 04:21 PM
Gonzo, there are so many pearls in there, it's hard to choose just one, but...

When you are a bad Confucy I will put a dunce hat on you --stand you in the corner and your access to Oprano will be suspended until we all agree that youve had sufficent "time out".

Consider it an experiment to help someone ..

an intervention...
scared straight...
tough love...
Whatever you want to call it.

Plus...some of our advertisers have asked out loud is she a postive or negative influence on the board. This way everybody gets what they want or need.

I dont have to totally ban anyone.
She gets a break
Our advertisers learn if shes a help or hinderance.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:46 PM
I'm a cross between Howard Stern and Luke Ford.
Now that is a downright oooogly pic that will be in my mind....... :headwall:

make it stop.....please make it stop....... :headwall: :headwall: :headwall:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:58 PM
And the Lew Payne bullshit is getting much older than my Mitnick comments. I have some domains on his servers. That's it. Finale.
http://www.lukeford.com/archives/updates/000613.htm

"Kimberly writes: I have been reading your columns for the past two years. One of the stories that caught my attention was about sex.com and the cast of characters.

Now I am reading that Stephen Cohen plans to sue you, Wired, and several other news sources who have been covering his exploits.

There are new players in this sordid tale. My partner, Lew Payne, who owns Persian Kitty and several other websites, has been served with legal papers demanding that he turn over his website, sexbytes.com. The rumor is that sex.com is suing every owner of domain names that contain the word *sex*. Why? Who knows! Don't they have enough problems with the ongoing battle between Gary Kremen and Stephen Cohen?

I went through this same battle when babenet.com threatened me. They wanted me to turn over my babe.net website to them. My attorney told babenet's attorney where they could find the local courthouse, and eventually babenet.com disappeared. "



Last edited by sarettah at Nov 17 2003, 04:34 PM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 17 2003, 05:34 PM
There are new players in this sordid tale. My partner, Lew Payne, who owns Persian Kitty and several other websites, has been served with legal papers demanding that he turn over his website, sexbytes.com. The rumor is that sex.com is suing every owner of domain names that contain the word *sex*. Why? Who knows! Don't they have enough problems with the ongoing battle between Gary Kremen and Stephen Cohen?

I went through this same battle when babenet.com threatened me. They wanted me to turn over my babe.net website to them. My attorney told babenet's attorney where they could find the local courthouse, and eventually babenet.com disappeared. "
Oh my, another lie that ended up biting her in the butt? :ph34r:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:58 PM

And the Lew Payne bullshit is getting much older than my Mitnick comments. I have some domains on his servers. That's it. Finale.


Are you sure you dont want to edit that comment?

If you dont Ill be like Kevin and come on here with proof later on tonight and well see how well you do explaining it.

I told you the goodie bag was over flowing...perhaps you forgot.

[girlgeek]

How odd is it that you should mention that domain, Sarettah. The good Mormon, Lewis, is not supposed to be in the business anymore, because it conflicts with his religion. However, sexbytes.com is currently under development, and I know the webmaster that is doing it. Kinda makes you think, huh?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by girlgeek@Nov 17 2003, 04:41 PM
How odd is it that you should mention that domain, Sarettah. The good Mormon, Lewis, is not supposed to be in the business anymore, because it conflicts with his religion. However, sexbytes.com is currently under development, and I know the webmaster that is doing it. Kinda makes you think, huh?
Mebbe shes living in her own Private Idaho?

[Vick]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 04:22 PM
I would guess that 98% of the REAL porn webmasters think that unions are an incredible waste of money and time.

Unions cause businesses to grossly overpay employees and practically guarantee they won't be fired unless they break the law (and even then they don't always get fired).

Unions have WAY outlasted their usefulness
That is soooo true I have to repost it!!!!!!!!!!!!


Unions were needed in the 1920 - today there are a bane to America, an insult to workers, a drain on the resources of many companies and in many cases take away the ability of workers to negotiate for themselves.

Unions are basically communist -

[sarettah]

http://www.sexeducatoon.com/page5.htm

HOW TO GET ASS FUCKED:
Prostrate Gland Stimulations
There are many types of action that produce prostrate gland stimulations.
Meeting a woman with a big strap on
Meeting a Russian with a broomstick
Screwing around on webmaster boards
Having a handle such as LucLonely and living up to your established rep
Fucking with Sarettah when he's in a bad mood and has google open
Posting illegal content on websites
Participating in pedophile type activities
Promoting adult sites to minors
Mutual Fisting
Male Receiving Anal Sex ( Greek )
Female Receiving Anal Sex ( Backwards Greek )
Just acting like a total moron, and others.
If the penetration position or activity does not stimulate the prostrate gland - an ass fucking has not occurred regardless of gender.

Continue ...

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 17 2003, 01:48 PM
http://www.sexeducatoon.com/page5.htm

HOW TO GET ASS FUCKED:
Prostrate Gland Stimulations
There are many types of action that produce prostrate gland stimulations.
Meeting a woman with a big strap on
Meeting a Russian with a broomstick
Screwing around on webmaster boards
Having a handle such as LucLonely and living up to your established rep
Fucking with Sarettah when he's in a bad mood and has google open
Posting illegal content on websites
Participating in pedophile type activities
Promoting adult sites to minors
Mutual Fisting
Male Receiving Anal Sex ( Greek )
Female Receiving Anal Sex ( Backwards Greek )
Just acting like a total moron, and others.
If the penetration position or activity does not stimulate the prostrate gland - an ass fucking has not occurred regardless of gender.

Continue ...
LOL! :wnw:

(note to self: do not read Sarettah's comments while eating or drinking) :yowsa:

[confucy]

Sarretah, that is really below you. Are you upset that I didn't read your bullshit about yourself being an oldtimer? Lew Payne and I were partners with a website than didn't get off the ground, a few years ago. What I stated earlier is the truth. Half truths are below you, Sarettah.

Geeky, you're not a bad looking woman if you don't wear those stupid ears that only little five-year-old girls wear.

Kevin's Uncle Mitchell requested that I put his name and phone number on the board because his nephew was ignorning him, and he was about to be thrown out of his apt and lose his car if he didn't get some financial assistance. What was Mitnick's reply...even when he owes his uncle over $10,000? Mitnick told me to pay his uncle's debts. What a cold-hearted bastard.

Why do all of you continue to go back to the past? I have told the truth about the important issues. Peaches, I lied when I said you were a Georgia Peach. You really remind me of Robert Blake's murdered wife, Bonnie Sue. Southern women look very bad when they age. Their butts start to sag along with their tits, and their skin becomes paper-thin.

Cosmetic surgery does wonders! Geeky, you wouldn't know a pearl from a hardened piece of snot from Mitnick's big fat nose.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 04:55 PM
Sarretah, that is really below you. Are you upset that I didn't read your bullshit about yourself being an oldtimer? Lew Payne and I were partners with a website than didn't get off the ground, a few years ago. What I stated earlier is the truth. Half truths are below you, Sarettah.

You stated that you have a couple of domains on Lew's servers and that was it...

Apparently that is not it... It might be it at this moment, but it ignores that fact that you have a long standing past relationship of some sort with Lew that you have described as "partner", "friend" etc....

So, there were no half truths on my part... I just pulled up the quote I knew was there...

As far as "my bullshit"...I did not and do not claim to be an oldtimer... I am proudly dfn through and through.... I have been around the business for a while, But my postings had very little to do with this business but rather my experiences in other businesses.... But like I said earlier, they were not meant for you, they were my answer to squirt....

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 05:55 PM
Peaches, I lied when I said you were a Georgia Peach. You really remind me of Robert Blake's murdered wife, Bonnie Sue. Southern women look very bad when they age. Their butts start to sag along with their tits, and their skin becomes paper-thin.

Not one man has ever complained about my ass, tits or skin. I'll be sure to let you know when they do so you can recommend your plastic surgeon to me. :)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 05:03 PM
Not one man has ever complained about my ass, tits or skin. I'll be sure to let you know when they do so you can recommend your plastic surgeon to me. :)
Please no Peaches !!!

One person that looks like a cross between Howard Stern and Luke Ford is enough dammit !!!!







:yowsa:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by sarettah+Nov 17 2003, 06:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Nov 17 2003, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 17 2003, 05:03 PM
Not one man has ever complained about my ass, tits or skin. I'll be sure to let you know when they do so you can recommend your plastic surgeon to me. :)
Please no Peaches !!!

One person that looks like a cross between Howard Stern and Luke Ford is enough dammit !!!!







:yowsa:[/b][/quote]
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

[confucy]

Now Now, Sarettah.

Luke Ford is a handsome guy, and I even like Howard's looks.

The bottom line is: If you want me to shut up about Darci Woods and Kevin Mitnick, then stop bringing them up. Darci, stop assuming that every comment I make is about you.

The truth is, I don't give a fuck about you. You just stepped into the picture to defend your cracker boyfriend. I think you have a *thing* for Lew Payne. You continue to bring up his name. Did he turn you down? Is that why you keep attacking him? Grow up! Get dressed and get out into the hot Las Vegas air and visit a casino. If anyone ever needed a break from computers, it is you. Maybe you will meet the other Kevin hacker and get a good fuck. I hear he is clean and very good in bed. Your Kevin puts computers before sex. Didn't his ex-girlfriends and ex-wife Bonnie tell you that? After a while, the dick goes down and only reappears when a virus hits the internet.

Crackers never change. They just become more obsessed. :yowsa:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 06:15 PM
Your Kevin puts computers before sex. Didn't his ex-girlfriends and ex-wife Bonnie tell you that? After a while, the dick goes down and only reappears when a virus hits the internet.
You've talked to the ex-wife and ex-girlfriends about the sex life of a man you've never met in your life?!! :unsure: If that's not the definition of a truly sick stalker, then I don't know what is. :(

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:15 PM
The bottom line is: If you want me to shut up about Darci Woods and Kevin Mitnick, then stop bringing them up. Darci, stop assuming that every comment I make is about you.

The truth is, I don't give a fuck about you. You just stepped into the picture to defend your cracker boyfriend. I think you have a *thing* for Lew Payne. You continue to bring up his name. Did he turn you down? Is that why you keep attacking him? Grow up! Get dressed and get out into the hot Las Vegas air and visit a casino. If anyone ever needed a break from computers, it is you. Maybe you will meet the other Kevin hacker and get a good fuck. I hear he is clean and very good in bed. Your Kevin puts computers before sex. Didn't his ex-girlfriends and ex-wife Bonnie tell you that? After a while, the dick goes down and only reappears when a virus hits the internet.

Crackers never change. They just become more obsessed. :yowsa:
I wouldn't waste the saliva to spit on that no-good, backstabbing snitch and bastard. Even if I wanted one (which I don't), I wouldn't even try a shot at Lewis, he only picks up Kevin's leftovers. So, I wouldn't have a chance unless I left Kevin. His ex-girlfriends have told me a much different story than you have.

You made reference to me in this thread, like you always do. Like Carrie said, "velvet cloaked daggers are still daggers." You say you don't give a fuck about me? Then why have you been writing all this garbage about me for the past year, trying desperately to get through to my site every time I have blocked you, and scrounging up every piece of information on us that you can?

I initially came here to see what kind of bullshit you were up to, but after reading everyone's posts, I began to grow fond of several people here. That is why I have stayed. What really bothers you, is that we don't give a fuck about you. I enjoy humiliating you, because you make it so easy.

[confucy]

Peaches, settle down. Are you jealous? :cdance:

Because of my writing on the internet and on ham radio, I have met many reporters. They have interviewed the girlfriends and wives of many hackers and crackers. The information is all over the internet. Some of these women were so upset with the way Mitnick treated them that they contacted me and cried on my shoulder. What can I say? Mitnick trusted me for five years and cried on the phone daily about prison life. Damn, I wish Darci had been around during those days to take the Fat Felon Fucks' collect calls. I would have thousands of dollars in my hands today to build new websites.

Of course, Darci wouldn't have accepted the collect calls. She would have found an idiot like me to accept them from Mitnick and then three-way her into the conversation like Alex Kasper. Yep! Real friends are hard to find. Poor old Alex is always at the bottom of the pecking scale taking whatever turds fall his way.

Peaches, do you have a clue how stupid and naive you sound 95% of the time? Look at those recent pictures. Your ass is a saggin', girlie! You need a forehead lift, upper eyes done, lipo on the thighs, and a butt lift. I will give you another five years, and baby, it's all downhill unless you find a good little doctor to nip and tuck. I hear "Extreme Makeover" is looking for new patients.

[Peaches]

Methinks someone's getting ready to be put into the corner. :P

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:33 PM
I will give you another five years, and baby, it's all downhill unless you find a good little doctor to nip and tuck.
She would know, Peaches, she is 62-years old. :nyanya:

[Vick]

Peaches I love ya babe :inlove:
Plus look at all the husbands you have :P

Let the record show I think Peaches is a serious hottie



clemsontiger don't read the above please

[confucy]

No, Darci, you don't bother me one bit. People are back to posting about old Mitnick bullshit, that is why I continue. Fuck! I'm an expert on the crackers of the world. Why wouldn't I continue as long as people egg me on.

You would never admit to the truth in a million years if it made you or Mitnick look bad. You will lie until you are in your grave. Mitnick expects that blind social engineering commitment from all his girlfriends/gofers.

Think about this, geeky. Has Mitnick ever had one relationship where he didn't put his GF to work helping him? Never! It's part of the package. If you want to be part of Mitnick's perpetual 15 minutes of fame, you must do as he says...when he says, or hit the highway! He believes so much that he is someone special (regardless of 20 years in prison & probation) that you MUST do it the MITNICK WAY.

Do you remember Bo Derek and her husband John Derek? He was something like 20 years older, and he told her how to dress, how to act, what movies to make, how to ride a horse, how to RIDE HIM! She was not her own person. Well, Miss Geeky, that is the case with you. You are here to keep an eye on Miss Confucy. Leave now while you have a little pride. Fighting with me will wear you down and make you look foolish. As I have said many times...do you want all the kids in your daughter's school to know that you hang out on a porn board? Idiots from this board will be calling her school just like they have called my relative's homes and left threats. Protect yourself and your family. Find a nice G-rated board and forget me and porn.

This advice is free to you, geeky, just like the banner advice you gave me. :okthumb:

[confucy]

Ha! Geeky, you are pushing 40. You are older than I am.

At least I don't wear Mickey Mouse ears. :barfon:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 17 2003, 06:42 PM
Peaches I love ya babe :inlove:
Plus look at all the husbands you have :P

Let the record show I think Peaches is a serious hottie
clemsontiger don't read the above please
Thanks, Vick! :inlove:

I'm a strong believer of what's on the inside. The last guy I was seriously involved with looked like a big old goober. He was 6 years younger and looked (and acted) 20 year older than me! But he's one of the funniest, smartest people I've ever met.

I can be a bitch when needed, but most of the time, I'm easy going and not much bothers me. Stress and hate ages people a lot more than their physical environment, IMHO, and although it's dumb to never say never, I can't imagine ever wanting plastic surgery! I even refused to have it on my chin to correct the scar when some small town doctor sewed me up after I kissed a windshied. :awinky:

I can always lose weight, but people like C can't stop being miserable. :(



Last edited by Peaches at Nov 17 2003, 06:52 PM

[TeenGodFather]

Why does confucy hate everyone?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Nov 17 2003, 06:53 PM
Why does confucy hate everyone?
From what I can tell, it's because she hates herself.

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 02:46 PM
No, Darci, you don't bother me one bit. People are back to posting about old Mitnick bullshit, that is why I continue. Fuck! I'm an expert on the crackers of the world. Why wouldn't I continue as long as people egg me on.

You would never admit to the truth in a million years if it made you or Mitnick look bad. You will lie until you are in your grave. Mitnick expects that blind social engineering commitment from all his girlfriends/gofers.

Think about this, geeky. Has Mitnick ever had one relationship where he didn't put his GF to work helping him? Never! It's part of the package. If you want to be part of Mitnick's perpetual 15 minutes of fame, you must do as he says...when he says, or hit the highway! He believes so much that he is someone special (regardless of 20 years in prison & probation) that you MUST do it the MITNICK WAY.

Do you remember Bo Derek and her husband John Derek? He was something like 20 years older, and he told her how to dress, how to act, what movies to make, how to ride a horse, how to RIDE HIM! She was not her own person. Well, Miss Geeky, that is the case with you. You are here to keep an eye on Miss Confucy. Leave now while you have a little pride. Fighting with me will wear you down and make you look foolish. As I have said many times...do you want all the kids in your daughter's school to know that you hang out on a porn board? Idiots from this board will be calling her school just like they have called my relative's homes and left threats. Protect yourself and your family. Find a nice G-rated board and forget me and porn.

This advice is free to you, geeky, just like the banner advice you gave me. :okthumb:
No one has called your family, except in your mind. No one would waste the time, not even us. What do I care what the school thinks about me hanging out on an adult webmaster board? Unlike you, I do not crave drama. If people don't like me for something stupid like that, then who the fuck needs them? Besides, this is LAS VEGAS. Many of the parents work in the adult industry.

You know nothing about the relationship between Kevin and me, but you feel yourself qualified to make these kinds of statements. To give you some peace, let me assure you that is not the way things are done in this household. I am my own person, and Kevin doesn't wouldn't even TRY to control me. Maybe the women you talked to in your imagination were docile, complacent wallflowers? Bring your ass to Vegas, then you can see how I am pushing 40. I haven't even celebrated my 35th yet. Your FCC license information says you were born 9/1/62, which would make you 42. Lying on a federal document? Tsk! Tsk! We all know that you're really 62, though.

What is your obsession with the ears? I haven't worn them in over a year. I worked in TELEVISION, it was a gimmick to entertain viewers. You're an idiot. So far, the only one who is looking foolish and getting worn down, is you. I already said it, I'm not leaving. I think it is time to adjust your dosage, and stay the hell away from me.

[confucy]

TeenGodFather, I don't hate you....yet! :lol:

Little Grasshopper, you will learn that I have a FAN CLUB that follows me around the internet. The secret is: never get on the bad side of a life-long cracker criminal...especially one who has social engineered his way through life since birth.

My path is as clear as the crystal ball on my desk. Art Bell's guest told us that we will soon be killed by aliens and there is no God. We are like ants on a huge spinning globe and every move we make is directed by those on another planet, probably Venus.

Just enjoy the ride and don't let the small stuff bother you. What is said on porn boards is a crock of shit.

SQUIRT --- that is why nobody gives a shit about solidarity or helping the porn business improve and stay strong. Aliens don't like PORN!

[TeenGodFather]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 03:04 PM
TeenGodFather, I don't hate you....yet! :lol:

You'll learn, like so many before you. :)

[confucy]

Stay the hell away from you, Geeky?????????

You are the one who jumped all over me in this thread. I wasn't thinking of you...did not mention you, and couldn't care less about you.

Reread your comments, darci, or are you going to run back and EDIT your posts like you do every time I accuse you of saying something?

I read on a 2600 board that you were dating Alex before Mitnick. If that is true, then it is Mitnick who is picking up the crumbs. Kevin told me from prison that he liked *young* women and particularly, *young porn women!* I don't think you are young enough for him, darci.

Geeky, you better go to a cosmetic surgeon with Peaches. I've got it! The perfect time would be in January when Kevin is conducting his cracker seminars and Peaches is parading around Internext wearing that tight fitting dress Serge likes so much that is made out of see-thru polyester. The two of you can meet up and pay a visit to Dr. McGill, the cosmetic surgeon for all the Las Vegas strippers.

[Winetalk.com]

confucy, do you have a decent ass?

{I am sober, people, I realy am!}

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 17 2003, 06:28 PM
confucy, do you have a decent ass?

{I am sober, people, I realy am!}
Well, take Howard Sterns ass and cross it with Luke Ford's ass and then you will have Confusy's ass......

Not hard to imagine... Not pretty but not hard........

:blink:

[confucy]

Serge, I have a nice ass and long legs. I don't have humongous breasts. I have no tattoo's.....yet!

This weekend I am breaking in my new Canon camera and I will send Mike my confucy pics. You may have to deal with a mask, but no darci ears.

[girlgeek]

You're so full of shit. I didn't meet Alex until months after I met Kevin. More lies. Post the link to the 2600 thread. Picking up the crumbs is Lewis' domain, you know, like the woman he's about to marry?

You did mention me indirectly. I believe Peaches called you on it. You don't care? Then why do you continue to do this. 99% of the time, you antagonize me. At least when I argue with you, I argue about your shortcomings. You need to drag everyone else into it, like my kid, Kevin and other family members. That's because you can't answer to your own bullshit, so you deflect.

Luckily with my Asian genes, I won't need surgery for quite awhile. I think you are the one who needs to make that appointment.

Peaches, see you at Internext. :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 06:36 PM
Serge, I have a nice ass and long legs. I don't have humongous breasts. I have no tattoo's.....yet!

This weekend I am breaking in my new Canon camera and I will send Mike my confucy pics. You may have to deal with a mask, but no darci ears.
confucy, fuck the mask, just send me the pic of the ass!
tits can be improved, ass talkes LONG years of indulgence,
lkegs I don't care about...



how are you blowing skills?

and I am, not talking blowing whistles here
;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

I imagine confucy's ass is clean.

Cause the shit comes out of her mouth!!!!!

:yowsa:
:agrin:
:moon:
:redance:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 17 2003, 06:39 PM
I imagine confucy's ass is clean.

Cause the shit comes out of her mouth!!!!!

:yowsa:
:agrin:
:moon:
:redance:
are you trying hard to make me soft?
;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

are you trying hard to make me soft?
;-)))

If you are seriously aroused over confucy....DEFINATELY!!! ;-))))

"""If I start to fancy confucy , take me home , I'm drunk."""

;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 17 2003, 06:45 PM
are you trying hard to make me soft?
;-)))

If you are seriously aroused over confucy....DEFINATELY!!! ;-))))

"""If I start to fancy confucy , take me home , I'm drunk."""

;-))))
I am RUSSIAN, and there si a good Russian saying:L
There are NO bad women...just not enough vodka!
;-))))

[sarettah]

I think I finally found the "Confucy Pics"... Not sure though

http://www.awrats.com/images/sp/confucy_gun.gif



http://www.awrats.com/images/sp/confucy_rocket.gif

[Nickatilynx]

There are NO bad women...just not enough vodka!
;-))))

ahahahahahahahha

:okthumb:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 17 2003, 06:39 PM
I imagine confucy's ass is clean.

Cause the shit comes out of her mouth!!!!!

http://www.awrats.com/images/confucy_crap.jpg



Last edited by sarettah at Nov 17 2003, 06:55 PM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 17 2003, 07:38 PM
how are you blowing skills?

and I am, not talking blowing whistles here
;-)))
She did make a reference to learning about performing oral sex at an early age. I don't know HOW early or who taught her, but her comment figured strongly into why I said I wasn't interested in meeting her brother. :o

Peaches, see you at Internext.
You, me, KK and cj will have to hit Sephora together. Maybe you fine young ladies (watch out, I think I'm hitting on you!) will help this old hag find some good make up and creams. :)

[confucy]

There's my Nicky. Missed you! Yes, my ass is clean. There are more germs in a human mouth than a human pussy. But you knew that!

Darci, there are exceptions in every race. They say black skin stays softer and smoother, but I have seen many wrinkled old black broads. You have to take each body and study the genes.

You will have to look for the 2600 post yourself. It appeared almost a year ago, and I thought it was true due to Alex and Kevin sharing the same girlfriends for the past 20 years.

I think you are jealous of Lew's girlfriend because she is so young and pretty. Maybe you are upset because you didn't get a wedding invitation. Darci, just don't read my posts if they get you so upset. Concentrate on getting healthy and healing your cyst. Who wants to be around someone with infected cysts. Try to discover the reason you got the cyst. Oew! ROTTING PUSSY CYSTS !! :yowsa:

NA NA NA NA NA.........No I didn't! No I didn't! No I didn't!

I didn't lie.....NA NA NA NA NA

This is so juvenile and silly. Just go away, darci. Start another thread about the sun, computers, and the time of day. Be sure and type out the entire thread because sarettah does it, and if nothing else...you are a great copier. Follow the directions of those asses you kiss.

We are having a beautiful sunset over the ocean. I'm heading for the beach. You stay in your little Las Vegas air-conditioned house and dream about ocean breezes and lavender skies while I enjoy them. How's that for sitting inside all day in a wheelchair! Find some new lies to spread, darci. :rolleyes:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 07:00 PM
How's that for sitting inside all day in a wheelchair!
In the nursing home, where his mother lives
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: I don't understand. All the money I put in this place, and my mother is getting picked on by the others. I want it stopped.
Nursing home supervisor: You'll have to excuse these girls. Sometimes they think it's a high school with wheelchairs.

[girlgeek]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 04:00 PM
NA NA NA NA NA.........No I didn't! No I didn't! No I didn't!

I didn't lie.....NA NA NA NA NA

This is so juvenile and silly. Just go away, darci. Start another thread about the sun, computers, and the time of day. Be sure and type out the entire thread because sarettah does it, and if nothing else...you are a great copier. Follow the directions of those asses you kiss.

We are having a beautiful sunset over the ocean. I'm heading for the beach. You stay in your little Las Vegas air-conditioned house and dream about ocean breezes and lavender skies while I enjoy them. How's that for sitting inside all day in a wheelchair! Find some new lies to spread, darci. :rolleyes:
You're so stupid and infantile, that your post isn't even worthy of a reply. The lithium is wearing off boys, might be time for a timeout!

Just one thing, though. Gonzo said you were Lewis' errand girl, and you came back with the comment about being taught to give good head and run errands. So, does that mean you give Lewis good head AND run his errands? Does he prefer your teeth in or out when you give him a blowjob?

Peaches, I'm not a big shopper, but maybe KK and you can help me out. :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Ladies, yif you keep talking blow jobs....
my my , I can't take it anymore..................

[Peaches]

Originally posted by girlgeek@Nov 17 2003, 08:12 PM
Peaches, I'm not a big shopper, but maybe KK and you can help me out. :awinky:
I'm not big on shopping either. I usually know exactly what I'm after and if I don't know the exact store where I'll find it, I'll go from store to store, looking in that one department of whatever I'm looking for, and then walk out if it's not there.

But something about Sephora makes me giddy - I'm betting there's something in the air system. . :P

[Dravyk]

There is not a single thread Confucy ever responded to that that thread ever stayed on topic.

Just an observation.

[confucy]

Wrong, Big Drav!

Check out Peaches' garlic thread. ALL GARLIC, yeah!

Do you want me to give you a list of them? Off the top of my head I remember sticking to lyrics in the music thread...stuck to Vick's love life in his thread. Stayed with the Acacia theme with Brandon.

If Gonzo or some fool doesn't start bitching at me, the threads move along like *cum over face*......

If there is a new law about sticking to the subject on Oprano, fill me in, and I will follow it. Until then, go with the flow and enjoy every second I take my time to respond to you. :okthumb:

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by confucy@Nov 17 2003, 11:42 PM
enjoy every second I take my time to respond to you. :okthumb:
Ah, my life is fulfilled now. :gbounce:

[Hell Puppy]

I dont have time to read all this shit.

Can someone send me a powerpoint overview with the key bulletpoints and maybe some diagrams?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 17 2003, 10:09 PM
There is not a single thread Confucy ever responded to that that thread ever stayed on topic.

Just an observation.
I guess beheading is in order...
;-)))

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 18 2003, 01:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 18 2003, 01:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Nov 17 2003, 10:09 PM
There is not a single thread Confucy ever responded to that that thread ever stayed on topic.

Just an observation.
I guess beheading is in order...
;-)))[/b][/quote]


Or would that be, a beThreading?

Ughhh....

Now I know its late....

time to go to bed.

:zzz:

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 18 2003, 01:57 AM
I guess beheading is in order... ;-)))
Naw, brown paper bag will do, Serge. :agrin:

Um, yeah Mike, that was a bad one! G'Night.

[princess]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 17 2003, 02:42 PM
Let the record show I think Peaches is a serious hottie

She's a Georgia peach what do you expect? wohoo!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by princess+Nov 20 2003, 03:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (princess @ Nov 20 2003, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 17 2003, 02:42 PM
Let the record show I think Peaches is a serious hottie

She's a Georgia peach what do you expect? wohoo![/b][/quote]
butt!!!!! don't forget the butt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!