How long are you in Adult Internet business?

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;-)

[Battuss]

I voted!
This will be my 4th year full time :)

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Originally posted by Battuss@Nov 15 2003, 04:35 PM
I voted!
This will be my 4th year full time :)
I control that much traffic poll is coming up next
;-)))

[Mike AI]

Been around since 96.....

What am I still doing here??!?!

:D

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Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 15 2003, 04:44 PM
Been around since 96.....

What am I still doing here??!?!

:D
probably the same thing what Bill Gates is doing at Microsoft
;-))

[TeenGodFather]

I was here in 1996.. in 2001 I discovered the joy of communicating with people.. .oooohhhh the wasted, wasted wasted hours, days, weeks before that...

fuck it's depressing me, big time. :headwall:

[Peaches]

Any adult biz or just the internet? I was in 900 adult audiotext from 1993 to 1996 - doesn't that count? :P

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 15 2003, 05:29 PM
Any adult biz or just the internet? I was in 900 adult audiotext from 1993 to 1996 - doesn't that count? :P
Ifn your counting the BBS which we used credit cards doors to peddle smut....then you need to add the early 80's button.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 15 2003, 05:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 15 2003, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 15 2003, 05:29 PM
Any adult biz or just the internet? I was in 900 adult audiotext from 1993 to 1996 - doesn't that count? :P
Ifn your counting the BBS which we used credit cards doors to peddle smut....then you need to add the early 80's button.[/b][/quote]
:)

The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

[gonzo]

Originally posted by sarettah+Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 05:36 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 15 2003, 05:29 PM
Any adult biz or just the internet? I was in 900 adult audiotext from 1993 to 1996 - doesn't that count? :P
Ifn your counting the BBS which we used credit cards doors to peddle smut....then you need to add the early 80's button.
:)

The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99[/b][/quote]
Cott Lang is a fag.
PCBoard always was the ruler ...

[quiet]

late 96. let it end already!

[Minte]

I started in late 97..and it's still as much fun today as it was then

[Fletch XXX]

a long story.

97 but i didnt start my own shit until 2000.

i worked in the video/film side (behind the camera) of this industry before i grasped the internet part of it.

:stout:

[Bishop]

Originally posted by sarettah@Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM


The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

Renegade ... wow haven't heard that in awhile.. I was co-sysop on probably a dozen different boards running that back in the 80's. I started my first bbs in like 85-86 running Fido 8a I think it was.. man that was a long time ago.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Bishop+Nov 15 2003, 10:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Nov 15 2003, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM


The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

Renegade ... wow haven't heard that in awhile.. I was co-sysop on probably a dozen different boards running that back in the 80's. I started my first bbs in like 85-86 running Fido 8a I think it was.. man that was a long time ago.[/b][/quote]
Fido sux Fossil Drivers

[Bishop]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 15 2003, 10:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 15 2003, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Bishop@Nov 15 2003, 10:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM


The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

Renegade ... wow haven't heard that in awhile.. I was co-sysop on probably a dozen different boards running that back in the 80's. I started my first bbs in like 85-86 running Fido 8a I think it was.. man that was a long time ago.
Fido sux Fossil Drivers[/b][/quote]

haha.. it was the shit back then.. haha.. lets see then came Opus.. I'm sitting here trying to remember the different bbs programs that use to be popular..

WWIV
Colossus
PCBoard
Renegade
ForumPC .. I think.. I may be mistaking this one for Renegade.. err..
Fido
Opus (Fido with a different name)

There have got to be more of them.. I'm trying to remember..

[BradShaw]

Better question is how much longer do you plan on being in biz?

For me, when I decide to have a family (kids), I would leave biz. Just can not see being a pornograher and a family man. Does not work for me.

Of course since I hear you never get laid after you are married, that should be a long time before kids!

[Bishop]

I'm searching the net and jogging my memory..

Wildcat
RBBS
TriBBS

So far these are the ones I remember..

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Bishop+Nov 15 2003, 10:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Nov 15 2003, 10:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by -Bishop@Nov 15 2003, 10:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM


The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

Renegade ... wow haven't heard that in awhile.. I was co-sysop on probably a dozen different boards running that back in the 80's. I started my first bbs in like 85-86 running Fido 8a I think it was.. man that was a long time ago.
Fido sux Fossil Drivers

haha.. it was the shit back then.. haha.. lets see then came Opus.. I'm sitting here trying to remember the different bbs programs that use to be popular..

WWIV
Colossus
PCBoard
Renegade
ForumPC .. I think.. I may be mistaking this one for Renegade.. err..
Fido
Opus (Fido with a different name)

There have got to be more of them.. I'm trying to remember..[/b][/quote]
Careful youd best let sleeping dogs lie...never know when your gonna wake a rep from a modem maker....then we are all fucked. Cuz they know all of em...

[Bishop]

Originally posted by gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 10:23 PM

Careful youd best let sleeping dogs lie...never know when your gonna wake a rep from a modem maker....then we are all fucked. Cuz they know all of em...


Ahh.. modems.. hehe..

300 baud = about as fast as you can read.
1200 baud .. that was a happy day.
2400 baud .. I thought I ruled the universe.

I remember getting a 2400 Racal Vadic (Racal Milgo) modem that was suppose to connect at 4800 if you called another Racal modem.. oh lord its flash back hell..

Two words... Modem Police. haha

[quiet]

Originally posted by Bishop+Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 10:23 PM

Careful youd best let sleeping dogs lie...never know when your gonna wake a rep from a modem maker....then we are all fucked. Cuz they know all of em...


Ahh.. modems.. hehe..

300 baud = about as fast as you can read.
1200 baud .. that was a happy day.
2400 baud .. I thought I ruled the universe.

I remember getting a 2400 Racal Vadic (Racal Milgo) modem that was suppose to connect at 4800 if you called another Racal modem.. oh lord its flash back hell..

Two words... Modem Police. haha[/b][/quote]
2400 baud was heaven.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by quiet+Nov 15 2003, 10:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (quiet @ Nov 15 2003, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Bishop@Nov 15 2003, 07:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 10:23 PM

Careful youd best let sleeping dogs lie...never know when your gonna wake a rep from a modem maker....then we are all fucked. Cuz they know all of em...


Ahh.. modems.. hehe..

300 baud = about as fast as you can read.
1200 baud .. that was a happy day.
2400 baud .. I thought I ruled the universe.

I remember getting a 2400 Racal Vadic (Racal Milgo) modem that was suppose to connect at 4800 if you called another Racal modem.. oh lord its flash back hell..

Two words... Modem Police. haha
2400 baud was heaven.[/b][/quote]
Fuck 2400 baud.
28.8 ...this is Hayes Country!

[Bishop]

Originally posted by gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 10:38 PM

Fuck 2400 baud.
28.8 ...this is Hayes Country!

Hayes? Or US Robotics?

decisions.. decisions...

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Nov 15 2003, 10:17 PM
For me, when I decide to have a family (kids), I would leave biz. Just can not see being a pornograher and a family man. Does not work for me.
what a jewish pronographer with morals ?
Brad, now there is an original idea :D

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Nov 15 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Nov 15 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Nov 15 2003, 10:17 PM
For me, when I decide to have a family (kids), I would leave biz. Just can not see being a pornograher and a family man. Does not work for me.
what a jewish pronographer with morals ?
Brad, now there is an original idea :D[/b][/quote]
Not sure I would call it morals. Figure by the time I have kids, I will take the monies I have made from porn, and do something a bit more respectable. Look forward not having to deal with "kids" at business conventions!

[sarettah]

Apache was the forerunner of Renegade.....

I remember when our server was a 486DX266 with 16MB of RAM and a 20MB harddrive and we thought we was slamming some power....

We were not big by any means, but we took our fair share of traffic, never made much money... Every cent went back in, more phone lines...lol...that was the bandwidth back then,...lol...give me more lines and more motherboards we could drop a modem on to... had wiring all over the fucking place....

Doing graphics using RIP was always cool.... remember when I first learned RIP and could get away from all the ANSI graphics shit....

[KRL]

Investing in adult since 1984. Yipes put me out to pasteur already for Christ's sake.

:lol:

[nlphoto]

Hahaha... Still remember when my site went live... February 26, 1996...
I had been online as a surfer before that for a whole 3 months :D
I seriously believe I was one of the first dozen or so sites that actually
had legal ownership of their content at that time.

First host was a local internet cafe with a 128K connection to the net...
48 hours after I had submitted to PK, the host shut me down when their
homepage was taking 30 minutes to load... heheh

Moved to the second biggest internet host in Buffalo a week later...
for a long period of time I was accounting for 10% of their total
bandwidth... all with only 3 -5K uniques average per day...
Host would quietly show my site to clients who refused to believe
them when they were told that a single site could push thru 1+ Gig
of bandwidth per day... was paying an average of $10 per Gig at
that point...

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Bishop@Nov 15 2003, 10:21 PM
I'm searching the net and jogging my memory..

Wildcat
RBBS
TriBBS

So far these are the ones I remember..
Off the top of my head, the two biggies you missed are TBBS and MajorBBS (Galacticomm).

If you start getting into other platforms and all of the little shareware and freeware BBS software that was out, there'd be dozens on the list.

In terms of $$$ there were really only 4 companies out there that really made a decent sized business out of their BBS software, and interestingly enough, none of them really managed to adapt to the internet and the web. There's likely a lesson to be learned there about keeping up with change as they all waited too late to try:

Wildcat -- Mustang Software -- These guys were the king in the hey day of the BBS in terms of financial success. They bought up the best of the shareware for all of the supporting programs (Qmodem, SLMR, etc) in addition to having one of the slickest BBSs out there. They pulled off an IPO successfully. But they never turned the corner onto the net. They focused on email and messaging eventually settling on a couple of vertical markets (I believe customer care was one) and then the company was sold and the remnants resold a couple of more times after the dotcom burst.

PCBoard -- Clark Development -- They were screwed when David Terry (lead developer) left. Lesson here is underestimating the value of a key player. They had a web project in development, Meta Worlds, but couldn't make it work without him and missed several ship dates. No one was buying the old shit because the new shit was promised to be just around the corner. So they ran out of cash, and the joint ended up padlocked and auctioned off.

MajorBBS -- Galacticomm -- They saw the future a bit with pay per minute peep shows and 1 on 1 chats with girls. But it was via dialup. The net squashed them like a bug once these same shows could be done within the browser directly via plug ins and what not. They were bought and sold several times as well, the bones of this one are scattered among several "community" solutions.

TBBS -- eSoft -- They're the last ones standing, but TBBS is long gone. They perhaps did the best job of evolving. They've abandoned the BBS as far as I know, but their internet adapter (IPAD) that they developed for the BBS evolved into a nice little internet appliance for small offices. They did an IPO as well. As far as I know they're still treading water at least.

What I find strange is that none of them transitioned the concept of a true BBS community to a web product. And in fact, I think there's still a market for that as you currently need multiple packages to emulate those same basic functions that were used to build those early online communities (message boards, chat, file sharing, interactive games, etc).

Someone was bitching about old timers shouldn't be proud in another thread. The value here is history, knowing it, learning from it. Those who do not know and understand history are doomed to repeat it.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 15 2003, 10:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 15 2003, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Bishop@Nov 15 2003, 10:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM


The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

Renegade ... wow haven't heard that in awhile.. I was co-sysop on probably a dozen different boards running that back in the 80's. I started my first bbs in like 85-86 running Fido 8a I think it was.. man that was a long time ago.
Fido sux Fossil Drivers[/b][/quote]
We'll do the history lesson on BBS networks some other time.... There's definitely some lessons to be learned there too. I see parallels between them and adult message boards EVERY day.

The technology changes, but the psychology remains the same....

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Nov 16 2003, 03:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Nov 16 2003, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gonzo@Nov 15 2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by -Bishop@Nov 15 2003, 10:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Nov 15 2003, 05:46 PM


The dungeon bbs from out of Kansas City 88-94/95..... Renegade rocks !!!

But didn't get into the adult side on the net until 99

Renegade ... wow haven't heard that in awhile.. I was co-sysop on probably a dozen different boards running that back in the 80's. I started my first bbs in like 85-86 running Fido 8a I think it was.. man that was a long time ago.
Fido sux Fossil Drivers
We'll do the history lesson on BBS networks some other time.... There's definitely some lessons to be learned there too. I see parallels between them and adult message boards EVERY day.

The technology changes, but the psychology remains the same....[/b][/quote]
I liked gonzonet personally...

[Menace]

Spring of '96

[Torone]

Y'know, some of you BBS guys might have a prior art claim against Ac**ia...

[sarah_webinc]

since '98 but got serious about it in '99

[jimmyf]

think I'm per 1996. first internet account I had was for $ 20.00 for life time.
Only got newsgroups. can't remember what year. Was doing online Maint. in the early 80's with Remote2 (cross talk product) so the customer had 2 pay for the phone time.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Nov 16 2003, 03:33 AM

Off the top of my head, the two biggies you missed are TBBS and MajorBBS (Galacticomm).


TBBS I'm having a hard time remembering.. MajorBBS I do remember.. wow this is a history lesson.

I remembering having to make long distant phone calls because I couldn't find any boards in Dallas. Eventually they did catch on..My first bbs was only online at night because I didn't have an extra phone line.. haha.. I used my parents house line in the mid 80's. Up from 10:00pm - 8:00am.. seems insane now.

A friend and I wanted to start up a big bbs in what must have been 1990. We came to the conclusion that people would pay for porn online and there wasn't alot of competition for that sort of mega bbs in Dallas/Fort Worth. We didn't have the money to do it back then.. all the computers, phone lines, and modems it would have taken put it out of reach. I thought porn was the place to make money back before the compuserve, prodigy, and ultimately the internet became the hot ticket.

It would have been cool to get into that back then with a big bbs based porn site but I think I would have lost my ass on that project. The bbs' didn't have long enough to live though I didn't realize it at the time. I forgot about trying to make money with porn till 97. Then I started down the path I had wanted to go down in 90 all over again. This time it worked... the internet hasn't been replaced by the next best thing like the bbs did.

To think.... this use to be what porn was...

http://artscene.textfiles.com/asciiart/vicki.body

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Torone@Nov 16 2003, 08:54 AM
Y'know, some of you BBS guys might have a prior art claim against Ac**ia...
Ive mentioned it before. Somebody keeps on telling me we have to have the media on CD.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Bishop+Nov 16 2003, 10:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bishop @ Nov 16 2003, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Hell Puppy@Nov 16 2003, 03:33 AM

Off the top of my head, the two biggies you missed are TBBS and MajorBBS (Galacticomm).


TBBS I'm having a hard time remembering.. MajorBBS I do remember.. wow this is a history lesson.

I remembering having to make long distant phone calls because I couldn't find any boards in Dallas. Eventually they did catch on..My first bbs was only online at night because I didn't have an extra phone line.. haha.. I used my parents house line in the mid 80's. Up from 10:00pm - 8:00am.. seems insane now.

A friend and I wanted to start up a big bbs in what must have been 1990. We came to the conclusion that people would pay for porn online and there wasn't alot of competition for that sort of mega bbs in Dallas/Fort Worth. We didn't have the money to do it back then.. all the computers, phone lines, and modems it would have taken put it out of reach. I thought porn was the place to make money back before the compuserve, prodigy, and ultimately the internet became the hot ticket.

It would have been cool to get into that back then with a big bbs based porn site but I think I would have lost my ass on that project. The bbs' didn't have long enough to live though I didn't realize it at the time. I forgot about trying to make money with porn till 97. Then I started down the path I had wanted to go down in 90 all over again. This time it worked... the internet hasn't been replaced by the next best thing like the bbs did.

To think.... this use to be what porn was...

http://artscene.textfiles.com/asciiart/vicki.body[/b][/quote]
PC Pursuit rocked!

People would not only pay you for porn back then. they would drive 3 hours to come to a sysop meeting to hand you cash. One guy freaked me out he brought his list of files and all the damn pics on gonzoland in a buch of shoeboxes categorized by niche and alpabatized. We used to joke about having me chair a discussion called gif roundup to talk about the months best porn downloads.

And of course then there was those checks in the mail.

Supply and demand.
I had it and they demanded it. See though back then...we didnt call it a subscription...we called it a donation. No chargebacks that way. We actually did process credit cards a couple of ways. I know I made a mean check for a long time. And those donations lasted a year.

I acutally sucessfully did that a few years ago using paypal and the donations angle. Nice bank as opposed to an AVS until they turned off adult.

[ControlThy]

Since november 1997.

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Originally posted by ControlThy@Nov 16 2003, 07:09 PM
Since november 1997.
what were your sites???

I think i know EVERYBODY from that period...

[Dravyk]

So who's up for a game of Legend Of the Red Dragon? :awinky:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Nov 16 2003, 08:26 PM
So who's up for a game of Legend Of the Red Dragon? :awinky:
Trade Wars or ThermoNuclear DIstruction!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by gonzo+Nov 16 2003, 08:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Nov 16 2003, 08:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dravyk@Nov 16 2003, 08:26 PM
So who's up for a game of Legend Of the Red Dragon? :awinky:
Trade Wars or ThermoNuclear DIstruction![/b][/quote]
lolol...used to love the old games.....

We used to limit folks to an hour a day, unless they were a "donater" then they got 2 hours......

We had trade wars.... and the most popular game was ..err...damn..I think it was "Global Wars" or something like that... Basically it was risk..... Great game.... Lots of folks used up their entire hour just doing one turn...

Then we had several variations of poker/black jack etc...and my favoriute which was "Food Fight"

In the "Dungeon" part of the dungeon we had a pic post, got some nasty stuff posted there all the time... Compiled a library of a couple of hundred thousand pics... Many of them scans, but some of them were pretty damn good...

Remember when we first started doing email via Fidonet..... Long slow process sometimes, but it worked :)

[Dravyk]

I started a little local L.O.R.D. Net going when I came back to Philly from NYC. Primative ... one board would have the game for a day, pack it up, ship it to the next, etc. Had 12 boards in all doing it in the Metro Philly area for about four months. (Until, of course, one sysop kept it up for a week when he went on vacation and blew it all for the rest.) .... Ah, the good old days. :)




Last edited by Dravyk at Nov 17 2003, 02:55 AM

[Forest]

August 31, 1999

1134 am

first broadcast of a live cam for my studios

:wnw: :agrin: :rokk: :salute:

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 16 2003, 04:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 16 2003, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--ControlThy@Nov 16 2003, 07:09 PM
Since november 1997.
what were your sites???

I think i know EVERYBODY from that period...[/b][/quote]
You only know the big guys from that period, I wasn't one of them :P
Though I made some decent money with Babenet, Xpics and Hpic.com.

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Originally posted by ControlThy+Nov 17 2003, 04:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ControlThy @ Nov 17 2003, 04:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 16 2003, 04:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ControlThy@Nov 16 2003, 07:09 PM
Since november 1997.
what were your sites???

I think i know EVERYBODY from that period...
You only know the big guys from that period, I wasn't one of them :P
Though I made some decent money with Babenet, Xpics and Hpic.com.[/b][/quote]
yeap...I sold traffic to all of 'em...

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 17 2003, 02:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 17 2003, 02:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -ControlThy@Nov 17 2003, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Nov 16 2003, 04:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ControlThy@Nov 16 2003, 07:09 PM
Since november 1997.
what were your sites???

I think i know EVERYBODY from that period...
You only know the big guys from that period, I wasn't one of them :P
Though I made some decent money with Babenet, Xpics and Hpic.com.
yeap...I sold traffic to all of 'em...[/b][/quote]
And you became rich in those years, yet I made some wrong choices and still have to work for my money.

If I only had the knowledge I have now, back then. :rolleyes:

[ControlThy]

I am not bitter btw.

haha

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Originally posted by ControlThy@Nov 17 2003, 05:31 AM

If I only had the knowledge I have now, back then. :rolleyes:
ahhh...the story of all of us
;-)))

I made only ONE MAJOR mistake....I should have met my wife earlier....

[Shok]

April 97