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TeenGodFather
11-13-2003, 09:39 AM
Do you play with guns? I personally hate weapons. I haven't used a gun since I was in the army. I saw a thread about guns at GFY, and it awakened my curiosity. Finland is such a nice country that we don't need damn weapons to keep ourselves safe... and we also have doors that can't be kicked in very easily, and we lock them. This is the gun I used, and loved. :rokk:

.762 RK62 a finnish assault rifle designed in 1962 and still in use. :)
http://www.porngreen.biz/rk62.gif

hehe..
Do you americans REALLY enjoy having such loose gun laws and shit? I would be most uncomfortable if my nextdoor maniac had an assault rifle.

TeenGodFather
11-13-2003, 09:48 AM
I named my rifle 'Lolita', my sergeant thought 'John' wasn't an appropriate name for a gun as I first suggested. I fucking hated the army. I had serious problems with authority. Here's a pic of me and my squadleader. I'm on the left. We were all required to use the same outfit, but as I said.. I hated authority. Hehe, don't get me wrong.. I love my country, but I hate most of the fucking idiots in it (for some reason most of them seem to work in the army). :)
http://porngreen.biz/suomi.gif

edit.. oh yeah, the pic.
http://www.porngreen.biz/army.jpg



Last edited by TeenGodFather at Nov 13 2003, 06:56 AM

Winetalk.com
11-13-2003, 09:54 AM
I love going shooting once in a while..
pistols, revolvers, nothing serious

FATPad
11-13-2003, 09:55 AM
Never used a gun.

Mike AI
11-13-2003, 09:57 AM
I like firing guns as well. I own a few. I think there is nothing wrong with our gun laws, I think there is a problem with some people who miss use them. If the gov't would enforce existing laws it would solve the problem.

Commit a crime wth a gun - go to jail for life. Even if its a fake one.

TeenGodFather
11-13-2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 13 2003, 07:02 AM
I love going shooting once in a while..
pistols, revolvers, nothing serious
Well, that's true. I went to shoot with pistols and revolvers when I got my bodyguard license. It was good fun, but it was in a controlled environment. I don't like the idea of having guns in a house, especially in the cities. :)

I also enjoyed shooting stuff at my friends cabin with a shotgun, good fun.

FATPad
11-13-2003, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 13 2003, 07:05 AM
I like firing guns as well. I own a few. I think there is nothing wrong with our gun laws, I think there is a problem with some people who miss use them. If the gov't would enforce existing laws it would solve the problem.

Commit a crime wth a gun - go to jail for life. Even if its a fake one.
That would be nice. I will never understand why people always want to take guns away from people use them legally instead of just punishing the twats who use them to commit crimes.

cherrylula
11-13-2003, 10:04 AM
If only the idiots with guns would just shoot themselves.

I come from a family of gun crazed men. My grandfather shoves his gun very visibly down the front of his pants when strange people come to his door, usually sales people. They often take off running hahaha....and my uncle has half a wall stacked with boxes of ammo in his spare bedroom. I have no clue why, he could never possibly use it all but its his favorite hobby. He just likes to go out to the desert to shoot things.

I actually haven't shot a gun since I was about 16. I would drive out to mojave desert with a group of friends when we were in high school and go camping/shooting. The last trip they made I didn't go, lucky for me cause they came too close to a meth lab and were under fire at about midnight. They actually made it out alive, but one of them got skimmed by a bullet and kept the shirt with the cool bloody hole for his bedroom wall.

Now I wonder why the hell my parents let me do something like that in the first place, heh. Kids should not have access to guns.

Mike AI
11-13-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by cherrylula@Nov 13 2003, 10:12 AM
If only the idiots with guns would just shoot themselves.

I come from a family of gun crazed men. My grandfather shoves his gun very visibly down the front of his pants when strange people come to his door, usually sales people. They often take off running hahaha....and my uncle has half a wall stacked with boxes of ammo in his spare bedroom. I have no clue why, he could never possibly use it all but its his favorite hobby. He just likes to go out to the desert to shoot things.

I actually haven't shot a gun since I was about 16. I would drive out to mojave desert with a group of friends when we were in high school and go camping/shooting. The last trip they made I didn't go, lucky for me cause they came too close to a meth lab and were under fire at about midnight. They actually made it out alive, but one of them got skimmed by a bullet and kept the shirt with the cool bloody hole for his bedroom wall.

Now I wonder why the hell my parents let me do something like that in the first place, heh. Kids should not have access to guns.


HEHE that is funny stuff.

Kids should not have access to guns, but if they are in the house Parents have a responsiblity to teach them how to use them properly and the right amount of respect and consequences of them.

My father had tons of guns in the house, and they were all hidden for the most part - but like any kid I could have found them, but I know what the consequences would have been.

Parents need to be PARENTS.... it would solve most of the problems this country has!

Toolz
11-13-2003, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by cherrylula@Nov 13 2003, 07:12 AM

I come from a family of gun crazed men. My grandfather shoves his gun very visibly down the front of his pants when strange people come to his door, usually sales people. They often take off running hahaha....
Doesn't everyone do this? Or am I just a crazed American? I live way out in the country, only people coming to my door better are a. someone I know, b. the UPS/post office, c. someone who shouldn't be. I've found to also be very effective to answer the door in boxers with my bowie knife in one hand and the sharpening stone in the other and casually sharpen it while they try to sell me something, I should install a cam to film my own reality show, "When People Ring the Wrong Doorbell"

Toolz
11-13-2003, 10:24 AM
TGF, though I'd take your gun for wading through a swamp, when I want accuracy here's my weapon of choice:
http://www.tooley.us/ar15.jpg

Shok
11-13-2003, 10:26 AM
I love my guns.

Hell I even load my own bullets

VooMan
11-13-2003, 10:29 AM
Kids should not have access to guns, but if they are in the house Parents have a responsiblity to teach them how to use them properly and the right amount of respect and consequences of them.

I used to go to the range with my dad when I was a kid, and he was always very careful and taught me (in no uncertain terms) how guns should be handled... I think that is of utmost importance if you're going to have guns in the house.

I haven't shot a gun in years, but I would love to do some target shooting. I was quite good when I was a kid. :)

Toolz
11-13-2003, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by VooMan@Nov 13 2003, 07:37 AM
Kids should not have access to guns, but if they are in the house Parents have a responsiblity to teach them how to use them properly and the right amount of respect and consequences of them.

I used to go to the range with my dad when I was a kid, and he was always very careful and taught me (in no uncertain terms) how guns should be handled... I think that is of utmost importance if you're going to have guns in the house.

I haven't shot a gun in years, but I would love to do some target shooting. I was quite good when I was a kid. :)
Absolutely right, I believe I was 8-10 when my father first educated me on guns, if you're going to have them in the house be a parent and teach your kids about them, they're not something to fear, however they're also not toys, whatever happened to responsible parenting?

cherrylula
11-13-2003, 10:47 AM
Actually Toolz, my grandfather is from france. Snooty french people can be gun crazed too I suppose.

I just keep a really annoying little barking dog around that explodes anytime he hears knocking sounds.

But yeah I think they had me shooting rifles when I was about 9.



Last edited by cherrylula at Nov 13 2003, 07:55 AM

DaveAFX
11-13-2003, 10:51 AM
I should install a cam to film my own reality show, "When People Ring the Wrong Doorbell"



This happened here in Boca last month:

http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?src=news...ry=LOCAL%20NEWS (http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=6726&category=LOCAL%20NEWS)

"White, toilet papered lawns, flaming feces on doorsteps and crank phone calls top the list of what local students say they consider harmless pranks.
But until Oct. 25, many said they also lumped Ding-Dong-Ditch – a game of ringing doorbells and running away – into that category.
Those notions were rocked when 16-year-old Mark Drewes was killed after he randomly rang neighbor, Jay Levin’s, doorbell just after midnight in their Boca Del Mar neighborhood. Levin told sheriff’s deputies he feared for his life, armed himself with a handgun and shot the popular sophomore from Pope John Paul II High School. ....."

Fletch XXX
11-13-2003, 10:51 AM
THIS IS MY RIFLE. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life.


My rifle, without me is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....


My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count.

We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights, and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...


Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.


So be it, until there is no enemy, but Peace!

Peaches
11-13-2003, 10:52 AM
I have a couple of guns and like Toolz, if you show up at my door unannounced, I will have a gun (take note, Gonzo and HP :awinky: ).

My father had a few guns but none were ever loaded. He just had them from growing up.

My grandfather had a loaded gun in his nightstand and in his car. Growing up, we knew not to ever touch them. Remember my stories about the switches and wooden spoons? It would have been a LOT worse if we had touch my g'father's guns. :unsure:

We also always had bb guns as kids and my son had one when he was little. I've thought about getting one so I can keep the crows and squirrels out of my birdfeeder. :okthumb:

cherrylula
11-13-2003, 10:59 AM
I have a 5 year old little brother who is totally fascinated with guns. Its rather disturbing I have to admit. He's been playing shoot-em-up computer games since he was about 2 and is pretty good with them. Its odd seeing such a young kid maneuver a computer mouse so well.

For his birthday this year he got the biggest supersoaker water gun they make. Its bigger than him and almost ridiculous, but he loves it and any type of gun toy or game. Nerf guns, rubber band guns, anything that shoots.

They keep the real guns locked up and away from him though. It still bothers me to see a kid that gun crazed so young. But he's not my kid so oh well.

jimmyf
11-13-2003, 11:00 AM
I had guns when I was a kid and when I got out of the Army. Use 2 do a lot of hunting. Haven't done any for years and years, I couldn't kill an animal or bird now days. Had some hand guns until about 4 years ago got rid of 'em. Got 2 fire a bunch of stuff in the Army big ones, and all kinds of small ones that was a blast.

Gman.357
11-13-2003, 11:02 AM
Our country (good or bad) was founded with the help of guns. Guns are a bigger part of our culture than apple pie. I'm not judging this, nor do I care. So without getting into if it's "right or wrong", I'll just say this...

Guns. When you want something dead... there is no substitute. :salute:



Last edited by Gman.357 at Nov 13 2003, 08:11 AM

Mike AI
11-13-2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Gman.357@Nov 13 2003, 11:10 AM
Our country (good or bad) was founded with the help of guns. Guns are a bigger part of our culture than apple pie. I'm not judging this, nor do I care. So without getting into if it's "right or wrong", I'll just say this...

Guns. When you want something dead... there is no substitute. :salute:


I agree.....

The US is founded on a Gun Culture.... I am part of it!

VooMan
11-13-2003, 11:14 AM
God made big men, and God made little men.

Mr. Colt made the equalizer...

Trev
11-13-2003, 11:16 AM
http://www.deepanal.net/sa80.jpg

Standard British Army issue SA80


It's on my wish list at ebay :redance:

Nickatilynx
11-13-2003, 11:41 AM
Guns are a bigger part of our culture than apple pie

Apple pie is actually a Canadian invention :-))

Lawful ownership is a good thing.

Illegal Guns can be obtained relatively easy in countries where firearms are strictly controlled if you are villianous ;-)))

Sawnoff shotguns are easy to get throughout the UK. Alledgedly. ;-))))

wig
11-13-2003, 12:00 PM
I own a lot of guns. Went hunting last night in my back yard. :D

Saw about 7 does, but did not shoot one.

Gonna take my mule out to the WMA this weekend and hunt since it is starting to get cold finally.

I love guns and I am not the least bit scared that there are 300 million guns in America. :okthumb:

Carrie
11-13-2003, 01:37 PM
I have small children and as a parent, it's my duty to protect them.
Should someone break into our house, a yippy poodle will do nothing more than wake me up and then get its head kicked in by the intruder.
It will be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.

Carrie
11-13-2003, 01:40 PM
Now a german shepherd, rottweiler, or doberman pinscher would definitely be able to do more than a yippy poodle, but if the intruder has a gun (as most intruders do, since criminals ignore laws and those include gun laws) then the dog is just going to get shot.
And it will *still* be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.

Vick
11-13-2003, 01:40 PM
Oh Guns as in firearms

When I read the subject I thought you meant L.A. Guns :biglaugh:

I saw them last week at a local bar, pretty good show

Carrie
11-13-2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Nov 13 2003, 01:48 PM
Oh Guns as in firearms

When I read the subject I thought you meant L.A. Guns :biglaugh:

I saw them last week at a local bar, pretty good show
You bitch. I'm jealous. :(

FATPad
11-13-2003, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 13 2003, 10:48 AM
Now a german shepherd, rottweiler, or doberman pinscher would definitely be able to do more than a yippy poodle, but if the intruder has a gun (as most intruders do, since criminals ignore laws and those include gun laws) then the dog is just going to get shot.
And it will *still* be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.
Most burglars if jumped on in the dark by a 100 lb dog trying to rip his face or nuts off won't be able to keep calm and shoot the dog. They'll either try to run like hell or cover up, protect their vitals, and scream.

I've seen the police dogs in action a few times and while there will always be someone who can keep calm and handle the dog, most people cannot especially when they're trying to sneak around in the dark.

At least from what I've seen.

But having a gun for yourself never hurt either. ;) And if you have a yippy poodle it's better than nothing since it'll wake ya up and let you get your gun before it's too late.

Trev
11-13-2003, 01:53 PM
I hate little yappy dogs, so I'd probably shoot it myself :uzi:

J'springer
11-13-2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 13 2003, 08:49 AM
Guns are a bigger part of our culture than apple pie

Apple pie is actually a Canadian invention :-))

Lawful ownership is a good thing.

Illegal Guns can be obtained relatively easy in countries where firearms are strictly controlled if you are villianous ;-)))

Sawnoff shotguns are easy to get throughout the UK. Alledgedly. ;-))))
Sure, just hang out at the Spanish Steps off the Old Kent Road. Tons of Jamaican pea shooters.
Fact is though, if guns weren't so readily available, there would be very few guns for criminals to play with. I feel safer walking the streets of London than say Detroit where everyone is packing.

Carrie
11-13-2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by FATPad+Nov 13 2003, 01:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Nov 13 2003, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Nov 13 2003, 10:48 AM
Now a german shepherd, rottweiler, or doberman pinscher would definitely be able to do more than a yippy poodle, but if the intruder has a gun (as most intruders do, since criminals ignore laws and those include gun laws) then the dog is just going to get shot.
And it will *still* be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.
Most burglars if jumped on in the dark by a 100 lb dog trying to rip his face or nuts off won't be able to keep calm and shoot the dog. They'll either try to run like hell or cover up, protect their vitals, and scream.

I've seen the police dogs in action a few times and while there will always be someone who can keep calm and handle the dog, most people cannot especially when they're trying to sneak around in the dark.

At least from what I've seen.

But having a gun for yourself never hurt either. ;) And if you have a yippy poodle it's better than nothing since it'll wake ya up and let you get your gun before it's too late.[/b][/quote]
Growing up I've always had a shepherd or shepherd mix (Heinz 57) by my side. It's weird being in this small house and not having the room for a dog. :(
Our last shep mix was put down just a couple of months ago (my Dad's dog), she was 13 or so. She was a deep caramel color with brindle boxer striping and head shape, chow-chow tongue (spotted) and ears, labrador chest/barrel and shepherd legs and hips. The hips are finally what got her.

I'd love to get a big brindle boxer or a lady rottweiler - something very patient, and sturdy enough to handle the boy's most fervent attentions, lol. Until we get a larger place though the most I can hope for is a pug (tank tank tank). I really miss our pug. :) :)

mojobill
11-13-2003, 02:02 PM
Fact is though, if guns weren't so readily available, there would be very few guns for criminals to play with. I feel safer walking the streets of London than say Detroit where everyone is packing.

...and someone would be bitching about all the knives used in crimes.. or the clubs... or whatever the fuck some idiots were using to kill people...

It aint the weapon thats the problem... its humanity...

btw.. you ever WALK the streets of Detroit? I have, I do, it's rather pleasant down there... :moon:

Fletch XXX
11-13-2003, 02:03 PM
i always have a knife near me. and i have a shotgun for intruders, no pistols.

im from new orleans, i had someone knocking on my door once at 3 am, I wouldnt open the door they were trying to get in.

I grabbed my shotgun and called the cops.

wanna know what the officer said to me?

'You shoulda just sat back and when they came in shot the fucker in the gut. if he stumlbed outside, drag him inside and let him bleed till we get there.'

she was a female cop.

and I agree, next time, I aint making a sound and ill have my first kill.

:grrr:



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 13 2003, 11:12 AM

Trev
11-13-2003, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by J'springer+Nov 13 2003, 09:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J'springer @ Nov 13 2003, 09:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Nov 13 2003, 08:49 AM
Guns are a bigger part of our culture than apple pie

Apple pie is actually a Canadian invention :-))

Lawful ownership is a good thing.

Illegal Guns can be obtained relatively easy in countries where firearms are strictly controlled if you are villianous ;-)))

Sawnoff shotguns are easy to get throughout the UK. Alledgedly. ;-))))
Sure, just hang out at the Spanish Steps off the Old Kent Road. Tons of Jamaican pea shooters.
Fact is though, if guns weren't so readily available, there would be very few guns for criminals to play with. I feel safer walking the streets of London than say Detroit where everyone is packing.[/b][/quote]
Shootings have increased by 61% since January when compared with last years numbers.

It is estimated the 1 in 3 gang members are armed, with over 17,000 estimated gang members nation wide.

Figures don't include organised crime syndicates either.

The numbers are nothing when compared with the US but are quite an eye opener when you consider that guns are illegal here.


I'm guessing we're about 4-6 years behind the US and we're catching up...

FATPad
11-13-2003, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 13 2003, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 13 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Nov 13 2003, 01:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Nov 13 2003, 10:48 AM
Now a german shepherd, rottweiler, or doberman pinscher would definitely be able to do more than a yippy poodle, but if the intruder has a gun (as most intruders do, since criminals ignore laws and those include gun laws) then the dog is just going to get shot.
And it will *still* be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.
Most burglars if jumped on in the dark by a 100 lb dog trying to rip his face or nuts off won't be able to keep calm and shoot the dog. They'll either try to run like hell or cover up, protect their vitals, and scream.

I've seen the police dogs in action a few times and while there will always be someone who can keep calm and handle the dog, most people cannot especially when they're trying to sneak around in the dark.

At least from what I've seen.

But having a gun for yourself never hurt either. ;) And if you have a yippy poodle it's better than nothing since it'll wake ya up and let you get your gun before it's too late.
Growing up I've always had a shepherd or shepherd mix (Heinz 57) by my side. It's weird being in this small house and not having the room for a dog. :(
Our last shep mix was put down just a couple of months ago (my Dad's dog), she was 13 or so. She was a deep caramel color with brindle boxer striping and head shape, chow-chow tongue (spotted) and ears, labrador chest/barrel and shepherd legs and hips. The hips are finally what got her.

I'd love to get a big brindle boxer or a lady rottweiler - something very patient, and sturdy enough to handle the boy's most fervent attentions, lol. Until we get a larger place though the most I can hope for is a pug (tank tank tank). I really miss our pug. :) :)[/b][/quote]
I have a Shepard and a Chow. Shepard's are the absolute best dogs, IMO. I probably won't get anything but a Shepard from now on. I wouldn't have gotten the Chow except I wanted a playmate for my Shepard, and the Chow was 3 years old, perfectly healthy, and going to be put down. So I took him.

But from here on out, it's all German Shepards. :)

Nickatilynx
11-13-2003, 02:07 PM
I'm guessing we're about 4-6 years behind the US and we're catching up...

:okthumb:

10 years at the outside.

Vick
11-13-2003, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 13 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 13 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 13 2003, 01:48 PM
Oh Guns as in firearms

When I read the subject I thought you meant L.A. Guns :biglaugh:

I saw them last week at a local bar, pretty good show
You bitch. I'm jealous. :([/b][/quote]
That was the 7th time I've seen them B)

Pretty Boy Floyd canceled here last night, 2 members of the band got into a car accident

J'springer
11-13-2003, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by fatbaby@Nov 13 2003, 11:10 AM
Fact is though, if guns weren't so readily available, there would be very few guns for criminals to play with. I feel safer walking the streets of London than say Detroit where everyone is packing.

...and someone would be bitching about all the knives used in crimes.. or the clubs... or whatever the fuck some idiots were using to kill people...

It aint the weapon thats the problem... its humanity...

btw.. you ever WALK the streets of Detroit? I have, I do, it's rather pleasant down there... :moon:
Yup, a few years ago late one night in the wrong neighbourhood. But I also lived in a much more violent city where everyone is packing. When you go into the Kmart or a good restaurant, you check your guns at the door. I think there was about fifteen murders a day, something like that. I was just about to buy a .38 police special when I left....Manila.
I personally think we would all be better off without handguns at all. I am not trying to take the rifles and shotguns from hunters nor disarm the police. But I don't know anyone that owns a handgun and most people here don't own handguns and the country seems to function pretty well.

Gman.357
11-13-2003, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by FATPad+Nov 13 2003, 10:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FATPad @ Nov 13 2003, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Nov 13 2003, 10:48 AM
Now a german shepherd, rottweiler, or doberman pinscher would definitely be able to do more than a yippy poodle, but if the intruder has a gun (as most intruders do, since criminals ignore laws and those include gun laws) then the dog is just going to get shot.
And it will *still* be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.
Most burglars if jumped on in the dark by a 100 lb dog trying to rip his face or nuts off won't be able to keep calm and shoot the dog. They'll either try to run like hell or cover up, protect their vitals, and scream.

I've seen the police dogs in action a few times and while there will always be someone who can keep calm and handle the dog, most people cannot especially when they're trying to sneak around in the dark.

At least from what I've seen.

But having a gun for yourself never hurt either. ;) And if you have a yippy poodle it's better than nothing since it'll wake ya up and let you get your gun before it's too late.[/b][/quote]
Dogs are merely a deterant in most cases. Sure, they can bite the guy, but in most cases the average robber casing a joint knows about the dog(s) and is ready to handle that situation by either killing the animal quickly right off the bat or avoiding them all together by gaining entry somewhere the dog has no access to. Your typical robbers and burglars usually steer clear of a house with watch dogs in favor of ones without them, only because it makes their job easier. But if someone targets your home and is intent on robbing you, they've done their homework and your dog isn't going to stop them, but they can't plan for you having a bullet waiting for them.

As for making legislation that makes it harder to attain a firearm, thinking it will keep it out of the hands of the bad guys, I think it could do just the opposite. It could make it harder for the good guys to get protection from the bad guys. Just look at some of the "bad" things they outlawed or tried to regulate throughout history... Booze, drugs, gambling and even porn (not now, but years ago)... all of these things either have been or still are controlled primarily by criminals, and passing legislation to outlaw them only strengthened that resolve.

What we need isn't less guns or new legislation... what we need are more responsible citizens with an ounce of common sense.



:matey:

Menace
11-13-2003, 03:09 PM
mmmm.. love me some guns :)

Handguns and shotguns turn my crank. My brother in law likes old guns and rifles but that bores me.. I like tactical, modern stuff. I also love the fact that if ANY bad guy enters my home and attempts to cause my family harm I can turn them to paste in a millisecond :cdance:

On the other hand.. I can't STAND the NRA.

Bunch of spamming (KINGS of junk mail) good ole boys who are no better than their mob mentality. Organized ANYTHING is a bad friggen idea.. when it includes guns it's an ever worse idea.

:shooter: :okthumb:

Dmitri
11-13-2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Menace@Nov 13 2003, 12:17 PM
mmmm.. love me some guns :)

Handguns and shotguns turn my crank. My brother in law likes old guns and rifles but that bores me.. I like tactical, modern stuff. I also love the fact that if ANY bad guy enters my home and attempts to cause my family harm I can turn them to paste in a millisecond :cdance:

On the other hand.. I can't STAND the NRA.

Bunch of spamming (KINGS of junk mail) good ole boys who are no better than their mob mentality. Organized ANYTHING is a bad friggen idea.. when it includes guns it's an ever worse idea.

:shooter: :okthumb:
Amen. On the other side of that...if people weren't so fucking paranoid in the states, we wouldn't have such *lovely* shows as COPS

cherrylula
11-13-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Carrie+Nov 13 2003, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Nov 13 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -FATPad@Nov 13 2003, 01:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Nov 13 2003, 10:48 AM
Now a german shepherd, rottweiler, or doberman pinscher would definitely be able to do more than a yippy poodle, but if the intruder has a gun (as most intruders do, since criminals ignore laws and those include gun laws) then the dog is just going to get shot.
And it will *still* be up to me - and my gun - to protect my family.
Most burglars if jumped on in the dark by a 100 lb dog trying to rip his face or nuts off won't be able to keep calm and shoot the dog. They'll either try to run like hell or cover up, protect their vitals, and scream.

I've seen the police dogs in action a few times and while there will always be someone who can keep calm and handle the dog, most people cannot especially when they're trying to sneak around in the dark.

At least from what I've seen.

But having a gun for yourself never hurt either. ;) And if you have a yippy poodle it's better than nothing since it'll wake ya up and let you get your gun before it's too late.
Growing up I've always had a shepherd or shepherd mix (Heinz 57) by my side. It's weird being in this small house and not having the room for a dog. :(
Our last shep mix was put down just a couple of months ago (my Dad's dog), she was 13 or so. She was a deep caramel color with brindle boxer striping and head shape, chow-chow tongue (spotted) and ears, labrador chest/barrel and shepherd legs and hips. The hips are finally what got her.

I'd love to get a big brindle boxer or a lady rottweiler - something very patient, and sturdy enough to handle the boy's most fervent attentions, lol. Until we get a larger place though the most I can hope for is a pug (tank tank tank). I really miss our pug. :) :)[/b][/quote]
hehe we've got a miniature pinscher...

small dog = small turds and less maintenance than a big dog.

He is a really spoiled house dog, not for protection but mostly as an alert. I always need a little badass dog around in case of prowlers. He does a great job, almost too good cause sometimes the barking is more than I can take.

Actually he does this thing where he will stop barking but lie down and growl for a good five minutes, drives me fucking nuts. But I often remind myself that is why I got the damn dog in the first place... he's like this sick dog child thing, its almost pathetic.

:)

gonzo
11-13-2003, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 13 2003, 02:11 PM
i always have a knife near me. and i have a shotgun for intruders, no pistols.

im from new orleans, i had someone knocking on my door once at 3 am, I wouldnt open the door they were trying to get in.

I grabbed my shotgun and called the cops.

wanna know what the officer said to me?

'You shoulda just sat back and when they came in shot the fucker in the gut. if he stumlbed outside, drag him inside and let him bleed till we get there.'

she was a female cop.

and I agree, next time, I aint making a sound and ill have my first kill.

:grrr:
Just get you a Mossburg street sweeper. Jack one in the chamber.
Youd be surprised how quiet things get when they hear the pump action rack in.
Load em up with rock salt and give em a true RAW ass!

MikeW
11-13-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Nov 13 2003, 02:48 PM
When I read the subject I thought you meant L.A. Guns :biglaugh:

I saw them last week at a local bar, pretty good show
They're still alive??? ;-))))

:blink:

Hell Puppy
11-13-2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 13 2003, 11:00 AM
I have a couple of guns and like Toolz, if you show up at my door unannounced, I will have a gun (take note, Gonzo and HP :awinky: ).

We're not coming for a gunfight! We're coming to plant morning glories!

Yo GonZo -- we gotta make sure we stay behind the women in case she wakes up grumpy....

Hell Puppy
11-13-2003, 07:32 PM
All true southern men are raised with guns...

GonZo and I were bullshitting and talking about this just the other day. Think about how different some movies would be if they were shot in the south.

Signs -- We wouldn't be hiding in the basement. We'd be figuring out how to fry the critters after we shot 'em.

Panic Room -- If she were southern, when Jodie Foster ran into that little Panic Room, you'd wanna get the hell out of Dodge before she came back out because she'd come out strapped like Sigourney Weaver at the end of Aliens.

As for myself I was taught to respect guns from the time I was a toddler. And was shooting them from the time I was old enough to safely handle them. My dad was old old school, so I had to learn the hard way. First thing I learned to shoot was a muzzle loader. Had to work my way up to the modern stuff. Thru my teens I went shooting almost every week when the weather was warm, and hunting when the weather was cold.

I still like the shooting part. I'm not so much into the hunting. I'd rather go to the butcher or a good steakhouse than sit in a tree freezing my ass off.

Peaches
11-13-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Nov 13 2003, 08:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Nov 13 2003, 08:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Nov 13 2003, 11:00 AM
I have a couple of guns and like Toolz, if you show up at my door unannounced, I will have a gun (take note, Gonzo and HP :awinky: ).

We're not coming for a gunfight! We're coming to plant morning glories!

Yo GonZo -- we gotta make sure we stay behind the women in case she wakes up grumpy....[/b][/quote]
Ya know, all you have to do is let me KNOW you're coming over (preferably from Atlanta so I can at least get the 4 day old dirty dishes hidden and the cobwebs off the chairs) and you'll escape being fired on. :D Ask Wig - I always know when his bigassed truck is going to be coming down the hill (needless to say, if his brakes ever go, I'm toast) and I've never aimed at him.

You both grew up in the south and you know your mothers and grandmothers wouldn't like you coming over to a woman's house unannounced. :nyanya:

Cassie
11-13-2003, 08:29 PM
Check out the Talon Rifle (http://www.airgunstore.com)

Actual Talon Rifle (http://www.airgunstore.com/RIFLES/AIRFORCE/AF-TALON.HTM)

this should make some of you guys happy. thinking about getting one for my friend for xmas if i can get a relative to ship to my area.

only the size and price of the toys change....ho hum

Joe Sixpack
11-13-2003, 08:42 PM
If I ever felt like I needed a gun to protect myself, I'd say it's time to move.

Luckily, in Australia we have virtually no gun violence.

I have an axe handle above the front door but I've never had to use it.

Carrie
11-13-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Menace@Nov 13 2003, 03:17 PM
On the other hand.. I can't STAND the NRA.

Bunch of spamming (KINGS of junk mail)
Trust me, the ACLU makes the NRA look like part-time spammers.
My snail mail has tripled since joining the ACLU and having them sell my address to every liberal cause in the nation.

Just since Monday:
-National Geographic Society
-ACLU "It's time to call the question - time to reclaim the freedoms we lost in a climate of fear and insecurity"
-American Friends Service Commitee "...a more dangerous time for peace and justice than even the McCarthy era..."
-Americans United "Are you tired of the Religious Right's influence over the Bush Administration?"
-Sierra Club

Ugh. The really funny ones are the ones with quotes from Clinton on them or some huge red font screaming that "they're trying to take away our RIGHT to abortion".

Vick
11-13-2003, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by MikeW+Nov 13 2003, 05:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MikeW @ Nov 13 2003, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Vick@Nov 13 2003, 02:48 PM
When I read the subject I thought you meant L.A. Guns :biglaugh:

I saw them last week at a local bar, pretty good show
They're still alive??? ;-))))

:blink:[/b][/quote]
Yep. it's Phil Lewis and the original drummer plus 2 other guys
Last time I saw them Brent Muscat (faster Pussycat) was filling in as the Rhythm guitarist

At one time Tracii Guns was touring as L.A. Guns but he's given the name up and was trying to put something together with Nikki Sixx

C_U_Next_Tuesday
11-13-2003, 10:53 PM
I really like guns..

Hubby is an avid Hunter and I am soon to join the ranks of hunting women in my state. We own 6 guns at the present.

Have yet to get another hand gun..but I am sure its in the plan down the road.

TGF, I can't imaginge you in the military.. :matey:

Hubby
11-13-2003, 11:09 PM
An armed society is a polite society. - Thomas Jefferson

You surly wouldn't want to walk up to someone and assault them if you thought you could also be killed in the proccess.

Then there is always the signs you can put on your lawn.
My favorite one...
"This home protected by shotgun four nights a week.
You guess which four!"

Trev
11-14-2003, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by Menace@Nov 13 2003, 10:17 PM
I also love the fact that if ANY bad guy enters my home and attempts to cause my family harm I can turn them to paste in a millisecond :cdance:

It doesn't work like that here, even if 2 or 3 people break into my house and I shoot them I go to prison.

Heres a story about a farmer that got shafted big time:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/3009769.stm

I still think he was right to shoot the scumbag

TeenGodFather
11-14-2003, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday@Nov 13 2003, 08:01 PM
TGF, I can't imaginge you in the military.. :matey:
In finland we have 3 options.
After the age of 18 and before the age of 27 we have to:

a: Serve in the military
B: be a civil servant for an year (..and be considered either gay or pussy)
c: go to jail

I decided to go to the army as do 80% of the other men.
http://porngreen.biz/suomi.gif



Last edited by TeenGodFather at Nov 14 2003, 01:47 AM

Menace
11-14-2003, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 13 2003, 10:29 PM
Trust me, the ACLU makes the NRA look like part-time spammers.
My snail mail has tripled since joining the ACLU and having them sell my address to every liberal cause in the nation.

Just since Monday:
-National Geographic Society
-ACLU "It's time to call the question - time to reclaim the freedoms we lost in a climate of fear and insecurity"
-American Friends Service Commitee "...a more dangerous time for peace and justice than even the McCarthy era..."
-Americans United "Are you tired of the Religious Right's influence over the Bush Administration?"
-Sierra Club

Ugh. The really funny ones are the ones with quotes from Clinton on them or some huge red font screaming that "they're trying to take away our RIGHT to abortion".


hehe.. that's cheating Carrie :)

I don't think the NRA sold my info, all of their mail is from the same annoying source :grrr:

Originally posted by Trev@Nov 14 2003, 02:55 AM
It doesn't work like that here, even if 2 or 3 people break into my house and I shoot them I go to prison.

That sucks.. wanna stay with us?

:awinky:

Carrie
11-14-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Trev+Nov 14 2003, 02:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Nov 14 2003, 02:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Menace@Nov 13 2003, 10:17 PM
I also love the fact that if ANY bad guy enters my home and attempts to cause my family harm I can turn them to paste in a millisecond :cdance:

It doesn't work like that here, even if 2 or 3 people break into my house and I shoot them I go to prison.

Heres a story about a farmer that got shafted big time:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/3009769.stm

I still think he was right to shoot the scumbag[/b][/quote]
This is a great example of why you finish the job. That way there will be only one story (yours), and the criminal won't be able to come back and sue you for injuries he received while trying to rob/harm you.

VooMan
11-14-2003, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Hubby@Nov 13 2003, 11:17 PM
"This home protected by shotgun four nights a week.
You guess which four!"
Hubby, I like that. :okthumb:

When I lived in Pennsylvania we had a nice beware of dog sign on our mailbox. It had a picture of an English Mastiff and is said:

We can make it to the gate in three seconds. Can You?

:awinky:

eatapeach
11-14-2003, 09:29 AM
when everybody has a gun i think crimes like assault, rape, carjacking, etc. will be relegated to the history books.

criminals are big pussies and they prey on the weak. guns are a great force equalizer.