interesting....

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>Accounts Receivable Tax
>Building Permit Tax
>Capital Gains Tax
>CDL license Tax
>Cigarette Tax
>Corporate Income Tax
>Court Fines (indirect taxes)
>Dog License Tax
>Federal Income Tax
>Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
>Fishing License Tax
>Food License Tax
>Fuel permit tax
>Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
>Hunting License Tax
>Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
>Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
>IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
>Liquor Tax
>Local Income Tax
>Luxury Taxes
>Marriage License Tax
>Medicare Tax
>Property Tax
>Real Estate Tax
>Septic Permit Tax
>Service Charge Taxes
>Social Security Tax
>Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
>Sales Taxes
>Recreational Vehicle Tax
>Road Toll Booth Taxes
>School Tax
>State Income Tax
>State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
>Telephone federal excise tax
>Telephone federal universal service fee tax
>Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
>Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
>Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
>Telephone state and local tax
>Telephone usage charge tax
>Toll Bridge Taxes
>Toll Tunnel Taxes
>Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
>Trailer registration tax
>Utility Taxes
>Vehicle License Registration Tax
>Vehicle Sales Tax
>Watercraft registration Tax
>Well Permit Tax
>Workers Compensation Tax
>
>COMMENTS:
>
>Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most
>prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest
>middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

[OldJeff]

Serge - you missed the best tax there has been to date.

The counting tax applied by Serges cash :D

That is the Liberal mindset - Tax the people into prosperity, just can't seem to understand the more they take from people the less the people have.

Of course without collecting all that there would not be anything to give to the poor unfortunate people that don't work.

You know like Congress, The Senate, etc, etc, etc.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Oct 16 2003, 02:21 PM
Serge - you missed the best tax there has been to date.

The counting tax applied by Serges cash :D


do you see "taxed millionairs complain"?

12 clicks is happy,
Aga is happy,
Mojo is happy,
Pushrod is happy
and even Nick is happy!

FM was not happy because he thought he was the only one who was allowed to collect the "tax"
;-))))


being taxed by me was a PRIVILEGE!
;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

LOL Ahhh yes...the counting tax :)

and even Nick is happy!

Absolutely!!! :-))


I offset tax deducted from tax collected..................eventually ;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Serge - maybe you'd be happy someplace where there aren't any Democrats.

Seems to me that the net result of all those taxes is a fair place to live. If you are feeling so oppresed and abused, go someplace more to your liking.

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 03:28 PM
Serge - maybe you'd be happy someplace where there aren't any Democrats.

Seems to me that the net result of all those taxes is a fair place to live. If you are feeling so oppresed and abused, go someplace more to your liking.
Fair to WHO? It's fair for people that can't pay their own way to live off the struggles of others?

Fucking socialists...

[Winetalk.com]

PD,
if I pay you dime, would you go and fuckyourself?

2 dimes?

[PornoDoggy]

Jim, maybe you and Serge can both go find someplace more to your liking. Obviously, the United States of America doesn't meet your standards.

After our humilating defeat in the 2nd World War and the Cold War, and with millions of people streaming for the exits, I can certainly understand that. Obviously, there is absolutely no opportunity for a businessman to make any money in a pathetic third world socialst dictatorship like this.

Maybe you could go someplace and pick turnips.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Oct 16 2003, 04:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Oct 16 2003, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 03:28 PM
Serge - maybe you'd be happy someplace where there aren't any Democrats.

Seems to me that the net result of all those taxes is a fair place to live. If you are feeling so oppresed and abused, go someplace more to your liking.
Fair to WHO? It's fair for people that can't pay their own way to live off the struggles of others?

Fucking socialists...[/b][/quote]
I wasn't using fair in the sense you're assuming - life ain't fair, you know.

[Winetalk.com]

PD, 3 dimes?

[PornoDoggy]

You can't afford me ...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 07:45 PM
You can't afford me ...
3 dimes and 1 nickel

[Torone]

Pd,
If you would eat a few Ex-Lax, you wouldn't be so full of shit...

The America you and the rest of the Democommies want doesn't exist; and I'm STILL willing to put my life on the line to guarantee that it never does. If you love Socialism so damned much, YOU move! There is a Socialist country to the North and one to the South... :salute:

[PornoDoggy]

Serge, you ought to be paying me ... I am quite often the only thing that keeps this board from falling so far over on it's right side that it would never get up again.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Oct 16 2003, 08:00 PM
Pd,
If you would eat a few Ex-Lax, you wouldn't be so full of shit...

The America you and the rest of the Democommies want doesn't exist; and I'm STILL willing to put my life on the line to guarantee that it never does. If you love Socialism so damned much, YOU move! There is a Socialist country to the North and one to the South... :salute:
As if to prove my point ... :D

[Torone]

Pd,
I would think you would be switching away from a party whose main spokesman is a lying, murdering, womanizing, cowardly, drunken, anti-American, cowardly sack of shit from MA... :hic:

[PornoDoggy]

I don't particularly care for Senator Kennedy - some of the reasons include things you've allueded to.

But stop with the fucking anti-American, will you? You right-wing Morones throw that around like you would blonde hair or blue suit. It's almost as meaningless (in reality, at least) as the way the term socialist is being tossed around in this thread.

Whether you like it or not, Senator Kennedy represents the views of a substantial number of real live genuine Americans who are every bit as patriotic as you are.

The simple fact of the matter is that, in spite of all the hyperbole that the parrots of the right spew, the real haters today are on the right. All they seem to hate is America as it is today.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 08:00 PM
Serge, you ought to be paying me ... I am quite often the only thing that keeps this board from falling so far over on it's right side that it would never get up again.
PD, I am trying to pay you and I am upping the ante...
3 dimes, 2 nickels, and 2 pennies!

deal?

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 07:36 PM
I don't particularly care for Senator Kennedy - some of the reasons include things you've allueded to.

But stop with the fucking anti-American, will you? You right-wing Morones throw that around like you would blonde hair or blue suit. It's almost as meaningless (in reality, at least) as the way the term socialist is being tossed around in this thread.

Whether you like it or not, Senator Kennedy represents the views of a substantial number of real live genuine Americans who are every bit as patriotic as you are.

The simple fact of the matter is that, in spite of all the hyperbole that the parrots of the right spew, the real haters today are on the right. All they seem to hate is America as it is today.
Sorry, Pd, but my feeling is that people who knock this country are Anti-American. It's that simple. I'm simply patriotic. I don't believe that anyone can embrace this country's enemies while calling the majority of this country (including the President and more than half the Congress) things like 'liar' and still be accepted as patriotic. If that idea offends you/them; well, then I guess I hit a nerve...

BTW, if it's 'Right Wing' to favor the Constitution as and in the spirit in which it was written as opposed to the Marxist interpretation, then I guess I will accept that label (except the 'religious' part...I AM an agnostic) and wear it proudly.

[OldJeff]

Torone - I usually agree with you a lot

But a lot more than half of congress and the Presidet ARE liers

Huge part of the Job description, must be able to bend the truth almost to the breaking point to show that your side is the correct side of any issue.

Does not matter the political party, just get re-elected, no matter what the cost.

[Forest]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Oct 17 2003, 02:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Oct 17 2003, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 08:00 PM
Serge, you ought to be paying me ... I am quite often the only thing that keeps this board from falling so far over on it's right side that it would never get up again.
PD, I am trying to pay you and I am upping the ante...
3 dimes, 2 nickels, and 2 pennies!

deal?[/b][/quote]
your almost at my price

:)

[Torone]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Oct 17 2003, 05:42 AM
Torone - I usually agree with you a lot

But a lot more than half of congress and the Presidet ARE liers

Huge part of the Job description, must be able to bend the truth almost to the breaking point to show that your side is the correct side of any issue.

Does not matter the political party, just get re-elected, no matter what the cost.
I take it you agree with the Liberals?

[DaveAFX]

3 dimes, 2 nickels, and 2 pennies!


I fuck myself a few times per day anyway for nothing. Send me $0.42 Paypal and I will add an extra one.

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by Torone+Oct 17 2003, 06:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Torone @ Oct 17 2003, 06:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Oct 17 2003, 05:42 AM
Torone - I usually agree with you a lot

But a lot more than half of congress and the Presidet ARE liers

Huge part of the Job description, must be able to bend the truth almost to the breaking point to show that your side is the correct side of any issue.

Does not matter the political party, just get re-elected, no matter what the cost.
I take it you agree with the Liberals?[/b][/quote]
No - I do not tow any party line - I am equally disgusted with both parties.

But that is what we are stuck with since those two parties make the rules.

This country is in desperate need of a political revolution.

[PornoDoggy]

Is that any President, Torone, or just the one from your party?
:rolleyes:

[Carrie]

Originally posted by OldJeff+Oct 17 2003, 07:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OldJeff @ Oct 17 2003, 07:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Torone@Oct 17 2003, 06:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--OldJeff@Oct 17 2003, 05:42 AM
Torone - I usually agree with you a lot

But a lot more than half of congress and the Presidet ARE liers

Huge part of the Job description, must be able to bend the truth almost to the breaking point to show that your side is the correct side of any issue.

Does not matter the political party, just get re-elected, no matter what the cost.
I take it you agree with the Liberals?
No - I do not tow any party line - I am equally disgusted with both parties.

But that is what we are stuck with since those two parties make the rules.

This country is in desperate need of a political revolution.[/b][/quote]
This country is in desperate need of a certain Tom Clancy novel.
Start off with a clean slate.
And the first thing to do - put in strict terms of office with no re-election for Senators and Representatives. No more of this lifetime Strom Thurman and Ted Kennedy shit. 2 terms, that's it. If it's good enough for the President, it's good enough for everyone else.

Second thing to do - approve line item veto power.

Third thing to do - and this one will get me a good thumping on the head by PD - restrict welfare to 6 months with no opportunity to get back on it for 5 years.

Fourth - Get rid of the IRS and enact a flat tax.

Fifth - Trash the "get elected, get a paycheck for life" rule. Just because someone's a "public servant" for 4 years doesn't mean they should continue to get their $100,000 "public servant" paycheck for the rest of their lives. Trash collectors don't get it, EMS and firemen don't get it... neither should the members of Congress. If they want to preach about how they're just "one of the people" then dammit, make them BE one of the people.

I've got more but hell just running on that platform would get me assassinated before I was halfway through my campaign... :matey:

[PornoDoggy]

I repeat what I said before - the people who hate America today are not the folks on the left. Carrie just proved my point.

[Nickatilynx]

As a foriegner watching......

I have seen so many Americans now say effectively :

"I don't think the President is doing the right thing , but he's our President and I am backing him"

Makes me wince every time.

[Trev]

Whats a Democrat... :biglaugh:







(j/k)

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 16 2003, 07:30 PM
Jim, maybe you and Serge can both go find someplace more to your liking. Obviously, the United States of America doesn't meet your standards.

After our humilating defeat in the 2nd World War and the Cold War, and with millions of people streaming for the exits, I can certainly understand that. Obviously, there is absolutely no opportunity for a businessman to make any money in a pathetic third world socialst dictatorship like this.

Maybe you could go someplace and pick turnips.
PD, that's your typical cowardly cop-out when a philosophical issue is raised. By your reasoning, I should leave my wife because she burns the chicken pot pies occasionally....you are a classic case of someone who thinks they are "fair and balanced", but are really just full of shit....

[PornoDoggy]

Actually, I am not nearly as full of shit now as I was an hour ago - but I'll spare you the details.

I'm not really advocating you leave the country, either. However, since folks on the right have chronically used that same line when people on the left offer complaints about something, I thought a bit of turnabout would be appropriate.

Is it "fair" for people who work to pay taxes to support folks who don't? Nope. Since when is life fair? I don't share your view that we need a "politcal revolution", or Carrie's hope for something even more catacalysmic. I think the country is pretty much fine right the way it is. It will be fine if Hillary Clinton is elected to two consecutive terms; it will be fine if Bush wins another election and Ashcroft replaces him. And before any rocket scientist or Morone leaps to any conclusion, I'm not particularly crazy about EITHER alternative.

Am I "fair and balanced"? No more - and no less - than anyone else posting political opinions. I just don't buy into the "gloom and doom" stuff - whether it's coming from the left or the right.

[VooMan]

Second thing to do - approve line item veto power.

cough cough *Reagan* cough cough

Excellent post Carrie... many good points. :okthumb:

I'm a pretty nice guy, part conservative and part tree hugger, and I don't like to argue politics. Well, last night I got a bit of a shock from a children's book I was reading to Sweet T's little guy who is almost four... I forget the name of the book, but it has won "Abbey" awards since 1995 for being such a wonderful story.

It's a story about a fish. This fish has beautiful, shiny, rainbow colored scales, unlike any of the other fish around. Everyone thinks he is so beautiful, but they don't really talk to him and he doesn't really talk to them. The story alludes to the fact the he's basically showing off and they are jealous...

One day one of the fish goes up to him and asks if he can have one of the pretty scales so that he can be pretty too. The fish says no, and now all the other fish completely ignore him and won't even go near him. He is *oh so lonely* without anyone... Some days later the little fish goes to the pretty fish once again and asks if he can have just one of his scales. He explains that he doesn't want a lot from this fish, just one little scale. So the pretty fish gives him one. All of a sudden, all the fish are crowded around and want just one scale so that they can be pretty too. The rainbow fish eventually gives everybody one scale. Now they are all friends and everybody (including the shiny rainbow scaled fish) has just one very pretty, shiny scale.

And they all lived happily ever after....



I'm sorry, but that made me sick to my stomach.



Last edited by VooMan at Oct 17 2003, 03:05 PM

[Torone]

Pd,
"Actually, I am not nearly as full of shit now as I was an hour ago - but I'll spare you the details. "
Took my advice, huh? :biglaugh:

I know you can't be so stupid as to actually believe the BS that the Democommies put out. Surely, you also realize that it is really less a matter of Democrats vs Republicans than it is a matter of Conservative vs Liberal.

Some of what Carrie posted is good; but the most important change that can be made is to make our elected officials accountable to their voters. This involves at least four things:
First, stop voting for people who refuse to address the issues...people who, instead, try to assassinate the character of their opponent.
Second, pass a law making it illegal for politicians running for any office except president to seek funding outside of their own state.
Third, clean out the beaurocrats at the end of each Presidential election (no matter who wins!).
Fourth, force term limits on the Congress. It works well for the office of President...

One other little thing...stop putting the fox in charge of the henhouse by electing lawyers to make laws!

[PornoDoggy]

Hey ... Serge thinks I'm being too cranky lately, but I can disprove that right here in this thread.

I actually agree with Torone on something.

Second, pass a law making it illegal for politicians running for any office except president to seek funding outside of their own state.

Of course, the minute that law was passed it would be challenged in Court by Planned Parenthood and the anti-choice folks, the NRA and the Brady bunch, Greenpeace and the oil industry, the AARP and the pharmecutical industry, PETA and the fur industry, the NAACP and the KKK, and gawdamitey only knows who else.

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 18 2003, 09:39 AM
Hey ... Serge thinks I'm being too cranky lately, but I can disprove that right here in this thread.

I actually agree with Torone on something.

Second, pass a law making it illegal for politicians running for any office except president to seek funding outside of their own state.

Of course, the minute that law was passed it would be challenged in Court by Planned Parenthood and the anti-choice folks, the NRA and the Brady bunch, Greenpeace and the oil industry, the AARP and the pharmecutical industry, PETA and the fur industry, the NAACP and the KKK, and gawdamitey only knows who else.
Ain't it the truth! :agrin: