View Full Version : Rush Limbaugh comments. Racist?
Almighty Colin
10-01-2003, 07:53 AM
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PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Donovan McNabb has been to three straight Pro Bowls and two consecutive NFC championship games, and was runner-up for NFL MVP in his first full season as a starter.
Still, commentator Rush Limbaugh questions his credentials.
Before McNabb led the Philadelphia Eagles to a 23-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills, Limbaugh said on ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown that McNabb is overrated. The comment contained racial overtones that set off a controversy.
"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go," Limbaugh said. "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
An ESPN spokesman said Tuesday that Limbaugh doesn't do interviews and added that he didn't think the comments were racially biased.
"He was comparing McNabb's performance on the field to his reputation in the media," spokesman Dave Nagle said.
Nagle said that with Limbaugh on the show this season, ratings for Sunday NFL Countdown are up 10 percent overall, and 26 percent among the 18-to-34 male demographic. Sunday's show drew its biggest audience in the regular season since November 1996.
"ESPN hired Limbaugh for his passion and his ability to express opinion and spark debate as a football fan," Nagle said. "In just one month, he has certainly delivered."
Limbaugh is best known as the radio host of the conservative politically focused Rush Limbaugh Show, which is syndicated in more than 650 markets worldwide.
He spent most of the 1990s assailing then-President Clinton and now spends Sunday mornings talking football, a job he called "the fulfillment of a dream."
A decade ago, there were few black quarterbacks in the NFL. This season, 10 of the 32 teams will have started black quarterbacks in at least one game.
Seven black quarterbacks started NFL games last weekend and two of the best, Michael Vick and Daunte Culpepper, were on the sidelines with injuries. The veteran Rodney Peete also has started a game for Carolina, meaning that when Vick returns from his broken leg.
"I think the Philadelphia Eagles and the city of Philadelphia are very lucky to have Donovan McNabb," Eagles coach Andy Reid said, calling his quarterback "the best in the business."
McNabb got off to the worst start of his career this season and was the NFL's lowest-rated starting quarterback after losses to Tampa Bay and New England. He was criticized heavily for his bad start, which came after a subpar effort in Philadelphia's 27-10 loss to the Buccaneers in January's NFC title game.
Still, the Eagles are 36-22 in games he started.
"It's sad that you've got to go to skin color. I thought we were through with that whole deal," McNabb told the Philadelphia Daily News.
Mike AI
10-01-2003, 12:45 PM
I just read something about this on Yahoo....
I do not think its a racist comment. There is no doubt the NFL has been pushing blacks for a long time. Look at all the "pretending" they do with hiring black coaches. Teams that do not interview a black coach for a job opening actually get FINED!!!
Could you imagine being a black coach and getting an interview jsut becuase you are black, knowing that someone like Maruici has pretty much sown up the job? Who wants to be a pupper like that? I would find it very embarassing....
BUT it happened.... in Detriot!
All of this because Jesse Jackson, and Johnie Cockhran started threatening lawsuits!
One thing about professional sports, it is all about performance - no one cares what race the QB, the coach, or anything else is - it is ALL about winning! PERIOD!
PornoDoggy
10-01-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 1 2003, 11:53 AM
I just read something about this on Yahoo....
I do not think its a racist comment. There is no doubt the NFL has been pushing blacks for a long time. Look at all the "pretending" they do with hiring black coaches. Teams that do not interview a black coach for a job opening actually get FINED!!!
Could you imagine being a black coach and getting an interview jsut becuase you are black, knowing that someone like Maruici has pretty much sown up the job? Who wants to be a pupper like that? I would find it very embarassing....
BUT it happened.... in Detriot!
All of this because Jesse Jackson, and Johnie Cockhran started threatening lawsuits!
One thing about professional sports, it is all about performance - no one cares what race the QB, the coach, or anything else is - it is ALL about winning! PERIOD!
That's a hard question. It doesn't sound like my grandfathers' "brand" of racisim ... but it does come close to the more sugar-coated version my father talked.
Gabriel
10-01-2003, 01:02 PM
Limbaugh has helped increase the ratings for Sunday NFL Countdown. Nagle said ratings are up 10 percent overall, and 26 percent among the 18-to-34 male demographic. Sunday's show drew its biggest audience in the regular season since November 1996.
"ESPN hired Limbaugh for his passion and his ability to express opinion and spark debate as a football fan," Nagle said. "In just one month, he has certainly delivered."
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Sounds like he's doing what he was hired to do.
ulfie
10-01-2003, 01:29 PM
I don't think McNabb is that great at this point in time. Steve McNair is far and away a better QB at this point in his carrer.
McNabb http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133361
and McNair http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1069
Have fairly similar stats
However McNabb showed extreme courage last year playing (finishing) a game with a broken leg, how quickly that is forgotten when he had 3 bad games to start the season
I personally don't care for the big running QB's as they are huge targets and injury prone (Vick, McNair, McNabb, Culpepper). Losing a player of that caliber can serious hurt a teams chances.
Usually the more talented, more intelligent running QB's (Think Randall Cunningham) learn to be a pocket passers later in their careers
Back to subject - Limbaugh is doing his job, stirring shit and getting ratings
as for the comment
"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. "
Limbaugh did make a racial comment and was wrong - what is the recourse?
edit for spelling
Last edited by Vick at Oct 1 2003, 12:53 PM
ulfie
10-01-2003, 01:51 PM
McNair is not a running QB anymore, that's why he is better. He can do it if he has to but it's not his first option anymore. The Titans are going to be a tough team to deal with this year.
I think Culpepper has figured that out as well. Some never do. *cough* Kordell Stewart *cough*
Limbaugh said that the media was propping up Donovan because he was black and the media want desperately to see black QBs and black coaches succeed. How can that be a racist comment? He didn't say blacks suck at QB or coaching. He didn't say anything racist about blacks.
If I say that affirmative action is desperately trying to get blacks to succeed in college or the workplace, is that a racist comment?
The truth is that the media do notice skin color and they do push minorities -- and as well they should -- that's a huge market they ought not alienate. But it does lead to exaggerating some minorities' abilities.
Diamond Jim
10-01-2003, 02:03 PM
Why is having that opinion (right or wrong), racist?
Edit : Fuck, Buff beat me to it....
Last edited by Diamond Jim at Oct 1 2003, 01:12 PM
BradShaw
10-01-2003, 02:10 PM
McNabb needs to comb that crazy fro. He will never lead eagles to a title. Has nothing to do with race, he simply is over-rated.
Diamond Jim
10-01-2003, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by BradShaw@Oct 1 2003, 01:18 PM
McNabb needs to comb that crazy fro.
Clearly a racist comment! Alert the media!
BradShaw
10-01-2003, 02:27 PM
I am not racist, I dislike 99% of people, has nothing to do with race.
Diamond Jim
10-01-2003, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by BradShaw@Oct 1 2003, 01:35 PM
I am not racist, I dislike 99% of people, has nothing to do with race.
That makes you a Human Racist...
Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Oct 1 2003, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Oct 1 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Oct 1 2003, 01:35 PM
I am not racist, I dislike 99% of people, has nothing to do with race.
That makes you a Human Racist...[/b][/quote]
well actually that makes you a misanthrope, a moniker that I myself have worn for most my adulthood with much aplomb!
:okthumb:
BradShaw
10-01-2003, 03:04 PM
I prefer the term asshole.
gonzo
10-01-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 1 2003, 08:53 AM
All of this because Jesse Jackson, and Johnie Cockhran started threatening lawsuits!
After the last few days...as we can see they arent the only ones....get your nose out of joint...dont call mommy. threaten to sue!
Dont got any money? Thats ok...get the Master of the Lemon Mansion to file one for you!
Yeah, that whole situation in Detroit was ridiculous. It has gotten to the point where black coaches like Dennis Green etc are "doing favors" for some teams, and not others. I agree that race should have nothing to do with it, and would find it insulting to be asked to an interview to satisfy a league rule on hiring practices.
Almighty Colin
10-01-2003, 03:35 PM
Remember this?
"During the slave period, the slave owner would breed his big black with his big woman so that he would have a big black kid–that's where it all started." - Jimmy the Greek
BradShaw
10-01-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Colin@Oct 1 2003, 11:43 AM
Remember this?
"During the slave period, the slave owner would breed his big black with his big woman so that he would have a big black kid–that's where it all started." - Jimmy the Greek
Not racist at all, makes perfect sense.
There is a reason that blacks are the top sprinters, cornerbacks, etc. Has to do with their god given ability to run fast, and I do not mean running from crime scenes.
PornoDoggy
10-02-2003, 01:40 AM
Bye-bye Rush ...
Carrie
10-02-2003, 02:17 AM
Rush resigned. What a bunch of bullshit. His comment wasn't racist, but the media wanted so badly to make it racist that they did so. Rush has wanted to do football commentary for something like a decade and this really *was* a dream for him.
This reminds me of the guy who was forced to resign because he said that people were "niggardly". Idiots who don't know what the word means started screaming racism and it was all over from there.
Political correctness sucks, has always sucked, and will continue to suck. When you can't speak the plain truth because someone, somewhere, might possibly get offended - ugh. Just... ugh.
slavdogg
10-02-2003, 06:38 AM
if the comment is racist or not it doesnt matter
once the media starts talking and chewing it for more than a day it becomes a racist comment.
Its like we've gone to the other end of racism where we cant even talk about ones race as that's racist
hmm
espresso just kicking in so .....
The comment was racist because it made reference to race (it's debatable if it is in a derogatory manner as it is inferred that McNabb would be benched if he was any other race than black).
McNabb has earned the right to play due to this abilities, he seriously contributed to the Eagles success last season (even though they continued to win after his injury). It's the coaches (and owners) call who starts at QB not the NFL or the media
I think the comment was wrong because I don't see the NFL propping up black quarterbacks. What everyone wants most in the NFL is to win. If a team could win with a transgendered asian, black, indian, aborigine one armed bearded midget at QB that's who they would play
That being said, it sucks if Limbaugh resigned over the remark, anyone should be allowed the freedom to express their opinions
Furthermore the NFL (as the rest of the USA) is way out of line with affirmative action programs, the best person for the job should get the job regardless
Forest
10-02-2003, 09:15 AM
Im verry dissapointed that rush resigned
I lost a lot of respect for Rush today -- not only did he resign like a loser, but apparantly he uses painkillers! What a pussy!
Nickatilynx
10-02-2003, 09:56 AM
"During the slave period, the slave owner would breed his big black with his big woman so that he would have a big black kid–that's where it all started." - Jimmy the Greek
Is that racism or genetics expressed bluntly?
I wanted to see him stay on personally. The network wanted controversy, and that is what they got. I guess the old adage applies here, be careful what you wish for. <_<
Originally posted by Buff@Oct 2 2003, 05:44 AM
I lost a lot of respect for Rush today -- not only did he resign like a loser, but apparantly he uses painkillers! What a pussy!
Well... it'd be one thing if he just USED painkillers, but it appears he had such a habit that he was having his housekeeper procure "Hillbilly Heroin" on the street.
Imagine that, Mr. right-wing law-abiding citizen participating in the shadow economy in a big way. You'd think he'd do what most other rich & famous folks do: simply get a few doctors to write multiple prescriptions for his drug of choice.
I detest Rush (the persona), and I admit it's kinda fun to poke fun at him, but an addiction to Oxycontin (the housekeeper said some days he was taking 30 tabs) is really no laughing matter. That shit kills... even people who ARE taking it as prescribed. I lost one of my best friends 2 years ago, at the age of 38. The last thing her doctor prescribed for her was Oxycontin. Within weeks the drug had built up in her system until the day she went to lie down for a nap, and a few hours later her husband found her dead. Doctored to death.
Regardless of my personal opinion of Rush, as a fellow human being I can only wish him the best on his road to recovery. Better to get there and have to deal with criminal charges than to wind up dead before anyone knows there's a problem.
gregtx
10-02-2003, 10:27 AM
people are only allowed "PC" opinions these days...
Originally posted by gregtx@Oct 2 2003, 06:35 AM
people are only allowed "PC" opinions these days...
Yup, it is all kinda boring. Everyone is over sensitive. In the end a lot of it is just media creating stories.
Nickatilynx
10-02-2003, 10:33 AM
He may have technically resigned.....
"""ESPN president George Bodenheimer accepted the resignation, saying: "We regret the circumstances surrounding this. We believe that he took the appropriate action to resolve this matter expeditiously." """"
He is not exactly repentant
""""All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something," Limbaugh said. "If I wasn't right, there wouldn't be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sportswriter community." """"
I think McNabs comment was the stupidest.
"""At a news conference McNabb said, "I'm sure he's not the only one that feels that way, but it's somewhat shocking to actually hear that on national TV." """"
Mike AI
10-02-2003, 11:27 AM
Buff you are a ignorant tool of the mass media....
Liberals have been waiting for the time to pull out the knives, this is it people. You are going to watch an attempted assassination right before you eyes.
Started with the ESPN outrage, and now its going on to pain killers, and who knows where it will end. There has been a concerted effort for years by liberal to destroy/discredit Rush.
I stan behind Rush 100% more then I would normally - I am not going to let his enemys take him down!!
Buff I am dissapointed that you cannot see through it..... guess you must have the demon jism build up!
Almighty Colin
10-02-2003, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 2 2003, 10:35 AM
who knows where it will end.
Gay animal sex if we're lucky.
Now, who's got dirt on Mikey Moore?
PornoDoggy
10-02-2003, 11:31 AM
Spoke like a true bobble-head, Mikey ...
BradShaw
10-02-2003, 11:33 AM
Blacks now run the media. They overtook the jews. Watch out, here comes Al Sharpton!
Brad, if you keep building your empire and it gets large enough will you buy a football team?
That way you can say all sorts of things and get mass media coverage :D
Originally posted by Mike AI@Oct 2 2003, 09:35 AM
Buff you are a ignorant tool of the mass media....
Liberals have been waiting for the time to pull out the knives, this is it people. You are going to watch an attempted assassination right before you eyes.
Started with the ESPN outrage, and now its going on to pain killers, and who knows where it will end. There has been a concerted effort for years by liberal to destroy/discredit Rush.
I stan behind Rush 100% more then I would normally - I am not going to let his enemys take him down!!
Buff I am dissapointed that you cannot see through it..... guess you must have the demon jism build up!
You know me better than that. I am disappointed in Rush, that's all. He should not have resigned. What he said was exactly right. By resigning he gives a bad impression.
Also, I was making a joke about using painkillers, whether legally purchased or illegally purchased. As in people who use painkillers are pussies.
But don't worry about Rush -- his base is around 20 million strong, and they already know about the rest of the media and the left -- that's why they listen to him. Rush signed for like $270 million for 5 years or something if I'm not mistaken. He will weather this storm and knock a lot of people down in the process.
Winetalk.com
10-02-2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by BradShaw@Oct 2 2003, 10:41 AM
Blacks now run the media. They overtook the jews. Watch out, here comes Al Sharpton!
Brad, this si ALL our fault, we should have asked for MORE when we sold J.H. Christ!
;-)))
Mike AI
10-02-2003, 11:59 AM
PD its people like you, who want to see Rush destroyed anyway, anyhow....
The same people who give credibility and power to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Al Franken and other babbling idiots.
Go back to your room PD, put the knife down.....
PornoDoggy
10-02-2003, 12:08 PM
Give me a break, Mike ... ESPN got what they wanted.
Actually, I would have picked 9 weeks if there had been a pool on when he crammed both feet down his throat, so he went sooner than I would have guessed.
Not too long after ESPN announced his appointment, I overheard a conversation where a professor at the local university offered up the theory that his new position as a football commentator was part of the plot to make him more acceptable to mainstream America.
I wonder if it's possible that both crackpots - you and him - are right?
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 10:16 AM
Give me a break, Mike ... ESPN got what they wanted.
Actually, I would have picked 9 weeks if there had been a pool on when he crammed both feet down his throat, so he went sooner than I would have guessed.
Not too long after ESPN announced his appointment, I overheard a conversation where a professor at the local university offered up the theory that his new position as a football commentator was part of the plot to make him more acceptable to mainstream America.
I wonder if it's possible that both crackpots - you and him - are right?
How is Rush a crackpot?
Mike AI
10-02-2003, 12:12 PM
Rush was one of the people who interviewed for the MNF job a few years ago - people wanted him to tap into his 20 million fan base.
From what I read, the raiting were up significantly ( in TV terms) for the show since Rush was on it.
I personally like Rush, but thought the football thing was akward - having him away from the others, seperated - it was forced. Hwoever numbers were up.
ESPN did get what they want, their rating numbers up - at the end of the day its all business.
I am sure they forced him to resign, or else they would have canned him.... we see the leaving on my own, and we will still be friends thing over and over again - even in this industry!
PornoDoggy
10-02-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Buff+Oct 2 2003, 11:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Oct 2 2003, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 10:16 AM
I wonder if it's possible that both crackpots - you and him - are right?
How is Rush a crackpot?[/b][/quote]
That wasn't meant to imply that Rush was a crackpot ... I just think he is a typical lying sack-of-shit right wing demagogue.
The crackpots are the folks who "rush" to conclude a conspiracy is in place whenever something they don't like (Rush getting hired, Rush getting fired) happens.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Oct 2 2003, 10:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Oct 2 2003, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Buff@Oct 2 2003, 11:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 10:16 AM
I wonder if it's possible that both crackpots - you and him - are right?
How is Rush a crackpot?
That wasn't meant to imply that Rush was a crackpot ... I just think he is a typical lying sack-of-shit right wing demagogue.
The crackpots are the folks who "rush" to conclude a conspiracy is in place whenever something they don't like (Rush getting hired, Rush getting fired) happens.[/b][/quote]
Well I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but there is and has always been a concerted effort to try to force him off stations and such. But that's just the way the game is played -- Alan Keyes was forced off MSNBC because the pro-Arab/Islamic Terrorism forces pressured MSNBC to fire him. And Condit was piledriven in his re-election bid by right leaning anti-murderer types.
Hillary is the one who initiated all the talk of conspiracies with her "vast right wing conspiracy" nonsense. To me, conspiracy implies secret meetings and such. There is a difference between a conspiracy and an overt concerted effort.
Larry Flynt's efforts to dig up dirt on Republican Congresspersons is a concerted effort, not a conspiracy, for instance.
So what's happening to Rush is not a conspiracy so much as it is just a regular frontal attack. The left has a vested interest in silencing him.
Nickatilynx
10-02-2003, 12:48 PM
Something isn't right here.......
"""She claimed that a lawyer for Limbaugh gave her a payoff - $80,000 he owed her, plus another $120,000 """
How do you end up owing your "Housekeeper" 80k ?????
Lots of room to spin here.
If he bought them. - The bitch housekeeper got him hooked on purpose
If they were prescribed - form the "RL Society for Responsible Prescriptions"
With a decent Spin Doctor He should walk this and by putting fwd various conspiracy theories , blended with some public works increase his following.
Mike AI
10-02-2003, 12:50 PM
I am not a fan of conspiracy theories... be them right wing or liberal media ones...
However, there is NO doubt, that Rush has been a thorn in the side of the left for a long time, and there was OUTWARD discussion by many on the left on how to counteract his radio show, and other methods to cancel out his message.
Liberals have done this from day one.... look at the lying they did at McCarthy? After 50 years and decoding all the Russian secret wires, we found out that Tailgunner Joe was right!!
Originally posted by slavdogg@Oct 2 2003, 02:46 AM
if the comment is racist or not it doesnt matter
once the media starts talking and chewing it for more than a day it becomes a racist comment.
Its like we've gone to the other end of racism where we cant even talk about ones race as that's racist
hmm
<_< Very very true... We were watching the recap last night on ESPN after the A's game and the clips that they showed from the McNabb comments/interview in reaction to Rush, etc. were very telling of how the media can sweep people up into a frenzy... as the interview progressed, the negativity in his attitude, mannerisms and comments increased, being fed by the media pounding, pushing and searching for "more."
Much ado about "almost" nothing.
Evil Chris
10-02-2003, 03:20 PM
I don't think Limbaugh's comments were out of line. He said what everyone was thinking anyway. Must be something in the racial climate right now or something. Jeez there was nothing negative in what he said.
In any case, the public is fickle and forgetful. This will be completely forgotten in 2 months. Marv Albert came back to the NBA didn't he?
Originally posted by Evil Chris@Oct 2 2003, 11:28 AM
In any case, the public is fickle and forgetful. This will be completely forgotten in 2 months. Marv Albert came back to the NBA didn't he?
Yup. And somehow Cruz Bustamante is getting some major minority support in the Governor's Recall Race out here in California - even though he said the N-word during a Black History Month celebration speech.
Then again... he's not technically "as white as" Rush. :awinky:
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