Someone should be fired...

[BradShaw]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/973848.asp?0cv=CB20

BTW, HS where they performed is in a very jewish part of town. My mom actually went and tought there.

[Almighty Colin]

Hmm, seems like reasonable use to me.

'At the time, the Blue Blazes band was playing the composition by Franz Joseph Haydn that eventually became known as ”Deutschland Uber Alles.” Grissom said it was part of a show entitled “Visions of World War Two,” in which the flags and music were intended to represent the warring nations.'

[sharky]

If it were a kid wearing a nazi shirt he would be kicked out of school. instead using "art" as the pretense the school supported it.

fuck em!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sharky@Sep 30 2003, 04:59 PM
If it were a kid wearing a nazi shirt he would be kicked out of school. instead using "art" as the pretense the school supported it.

fuck em!
What's the whole story? Did the school intend to make a pro-Nazi statement or was it just one of many flags of the nations involved in WW II?

I'm sure many high school history textbooks have pictures of Nazi flags in there. Should we ban them?

[Mike AI]

Sometimes I wonder if people have brains!

[sharky]

Colin -

who knows how many other flags were run around with, however it was still in very bad taste considering the day in question

[SykkBoy]

Now, Grisson said the show will only include the American flag. “The kids and myself, we caused a reaction, and we certainly didn’t mean to,” he told the Morning News. “We’ll use it as a learning situation.”

um, so we were the only ones involved in WWII now? I guess history will just continue to be sanitized and made more PC....it will be interesteing to see what my grandchildren will get as far as hostory lessons....

I agree maybe there was poor timing or poor communication, but if the show was to represent WWII why wasn't it allowed to include the flag of one of our greatest foes? Maybe we should change the repsentation of the Nazi flag to one with a big yellow smiley face on it? Awwww, the smiley face will make the children smile and think happy thoughts.....so adorable

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Colin+Sep 30 2003, 02:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Sep 30 2003, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sharky@Sep 30 2003, 04:59 PM
If it were a kid wearing a nazi shirt he would be kicked out of school. instead using "art" as the pretense the school supported it.

fuck em!
What's the whole story? Did the school intend to make a pro-Nazi statement or was it just one of many flags of the nations involved in WW II?

I'm sure many high school history textbooks have pictures of Nazi flags in there. Should we ban them?[/b][/quote]
Damn Colin, you are right. As much as gas prices are, and with most people driving gas guzzling American cars, the Rising Sun should be removed from history as well ;)

[Evil Chris]

The maple leaf can't be far behind...

[Toolz]

Don't kid yourself Chris, you're next and George's coming up himself to stand on the top of the CN Tower and proclaim Canada his :yowsa:

[Gabriel]

The American civil war was history, should we take offense to that as well?

Are people not allowed to fly the Stars and Bars?

Should we strip the rankings of General Robert E. Lee?

Yeah the timing was probably off but you can't run away from history.

[PornoDoggy]

I happen to agree with Brad ... somebody ought to be fired for this.

[sextoyking]

Fire someone ASAP.

Also, please throw in a nice size lawsuit too!

[Bex]

Originally posted by Toolz@Oct 1 2003, 07:28 AM
Don't kid yourself Chris, you're next and George's coming up himself to stand on the top of the CN Tower and proclaim Canada his :yowsa:
God likes us ... a gust of wind would knock him off. :D

[Almighty Colin]

PD, Brad, Sextoyking,

I'm shocked. You guys might as well just go sign up to support the Patriot Act.

[JR]

Originally posted by Gabriel@Oct 1 2003, 08:31 AM
The American civil war was history, should we take offense to that as well?

Are people not allowed to fly the Stars and Bars?

Should we strip the rankings of General Robert E. Lee?

Yeah the timing was probably off but you can't run away from history.
why not have a high school parade with kids dressed up as KKK members carrying burning crosses and chanting "all niggers must die". nothing wrong with that... as you said, "you can't run away from history" Following "kill a nigger" week at the local Junior High, they can move right into "shoot an indian day" and "bitch get in there and cook me some grub and my clothes better be clean" day.

there has to be boundaries somewhere. God forbid, we actually let the system work and the people decide where they are. getting booed, screamed at and having stuff thrown at them, by an angry audience may be a first clue as to the innapropriateness of what happened. since we were not there, i think i would give that little bit of evidence a little more weight than others seem to.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Colin@Sep 30 2003, 04:59 PM
Hmm, seems like reasonable use to me.

'At the time, the Blue Blazes band was playing the composition by Franz Joseph Haydn that eventually became known as ”Deutschland Uber Alles.” Grissom said it was part of a show entitled “Visions of World War Two,” in which the flags and music were intended to represent the warring nations.'
d i t t o!

yeah,
let's bring the political correctness in arts, history, etc...

if you don't show nazi's flags,
they will just disapear, right?

what a bunch of whining morons!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 2 2003, 02:22 AM
God forbid, we actually let the system work and the people decide where they are. getting booed, screamed at and having stuff thrown at them, by an angry audience may be a first clue as to the innapropriateness of what happened. since we were not there, i think i would give that little bit of evidence a little more weight than others seem to.
ahhhh...the judgement of the mob!

JR, this is the SAME mob who was burning books in 1940 Germany!

mob rule?

have you lost your mind?

[JR]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Oct 2 2003, 12:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Oct 2 2003, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Oct 2 2003, 02:22 AM
God forbid, we actually let the system work and the people decide where they are. getting booed, screamed at and having stuff thrown at them, by an angry audience may be a first clue as to the innapropriateness of what happened. since we were not there, i think i would give that little bit of evidence a little more weight than others seem to.
ahhhh...the judgement of the mob!

JR, this is the SAME mob who was burning books in 1940 Germany!

mob rule?

have you lost your mind?[/b][/quote]
if you equate "mob rule" to democracy and letting people decide WITHIN the law what they will and will not tolerate as well as what they do and do not fnd offensive... then i guess... yes.

i was saying that i was not there and that the reaction of the crowd was a good indication that there is more to this story and the visuals, than the mere text of an article conveys.

but by all means, carry your Nazi flag with you everywhere you go. i dont object.

:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR+Oct 2 2003, 03:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Oct 2 2003, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Oct 2 2003, 12:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Oct 2 2003, 02:22 AM
God forbid, we actually let the system work and the people decide where they are. getting booed, screamed at and having stuff thrown at them, by an angry audience may be a first clue as to the innapropriateness of what happened. since we were not there, i think i would give that little bit of evidence a little more weight than others seem to.
ahhhh...the judgement of the mob!

JR, this is the SAME mob who was burning books in 1940 Germany!

mob rule?

have you lost your mind?
if you equate "mob rule" to democracy and letting people decide WITHIN the law what they will and will not tolerate as well as what they do and do not fnd offensive... then i guess... yes.

i was saying that i was not there and that the reaction of the crowd was a good indication that there is more to this story and the visuals, than the mere text of an article conveys.

but by all means, carry your Nazi flag with you everywhere you go. i dont object.

:)[/b][/quote]
JR,
and how the SAME crowd would react to the live performance of your girls on the same field?
(with ANY music of your choice)?

I don't mind you carrying the banners with your pussies every place you go either
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 2 2003, 03:19 AM


i was saying that i was not there and that the reaction of the crowd was a good indication that there is more to this story and the visuals, than the mere text of an article conveys.


ahhh...reaction of the crowd.

ask your better half and she'll tell you the story of the Russian lawyer Plevako who defended the woman begger who was deformed and killed a child.
He got her off the hook by...using the reaction of the crowd
;-)))

if she doesn't know the story,
LMK and I'll post it
;-)

[JR]

there is a big difference in proving "the crowd can possibly be wrong" and me saying "the majority of people, as a general rule, are usually more correct than not"

I dont doubt that you can point out some obscure case in Northern Siberia to show where a crowd acted/reacted incorrectly.

all i said was that i would suggest the reaction of the people there, suggests there is more to this story. nothing more. i did not mean to offend any Nazis either.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 2 2003, 03:52 AM
there is a big difference in proving "the crowd can possibly be wrong" and me saying "the majority of people, as a general rule, are usually more correct than not"

I dont doubt that you can point out some obscure case in Northern Siberia to show where a crowd acted/reacted incorrectly.

all i said was that i would suggest the reaction of the people there, suggests there is more to this story. nothing more. i did not mean to offend any Nazis either.
aparently your wife doesn't know the story and you are to arrogant to ask me...
your loss....
;-))))

ahhh..Nothern Siberia.

Guess, did OVERWHELMING majority of Germans support Hitler or not?

Guess, did OVERWHELMING majority of Russians support Stalin or not?

your "crowd reaction" argument doesn't hold waters....
and i did not mean to offend any arrogant and poor educated people either

[JR]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 2 2003, 02:04 AM

Guess, did OVERWHELMING majority of Germans support Hitler or not?

Guess, did OVERWHELMING majority of Russians support Stalin or not?

I dont know that its fair to say that the "the overwhelming majority" of Germans or Russians supported Stalin or Hitler. I once had a cleaning lady that loved and defended Stalin, but i think we both know that Khrushchev's first order of business were to enact policies to distance the Communist Party from the legacy of Stalin.

People in general, supported what they believed in, based on the information they had or were given.

how does that equate to the good folk of Paris Texas and their apparent dissaproval of a parade of high school kids flying a Nazi flag on a Jewish holiday? Are they being brainwashed by the Nazi propaganda machine? are they being forced to read "Pravda" as their only new source about the world and life? or can the be possibly expected to make a more educated and balanced decision than the average 1938 Soviet Citizen could comment on farmers in the Ukraine?

Just out of curiosity, are you accusing the people of Paris Texas of plotting to invade and annex Mexico? i dont follow the connection between Stalin and a high school function.



Last edited by JR at Oct 2 2003, 02:24 AM

[JR]

My family is from Paris Texas, so i am probably biased. seems like a nice place. my grandfathers girlfriend is also from there. she was on Americas Most Wanted once for allegedly shooting her past husband.

[JR]

also, my aunt called Americas Most Wanted and turned her in. if you are curious what my family is like... find the HBO production of "Greater Tuna"

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 2 2003, 05:18 AM
i dont follow the connection between Stalin and a high school function.
too bad your Alaskan school did not prepare you for the art of parallels and allegories
;-(((

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR+Oct 2 2003, 05:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Oct 2 2003, 05:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Oct 2 2003, 02:04 AM

Guess, did OVERWHELMING majority of Germans support Hitler or not?

Guess, did OVERWHELMING majority of Russians support Stalin or not?

I dont know that its fair to say that the "the overwhelming majority" of Germans or Russians supported Stalin or Hitler.[/b][/quote]
you really don't know, due to poor education in american school system when you were growing up,
or just don't wanna conceed that your crowd argument doesn't hold water?

[JR]

Sorry for the inconvienence:

This post was deleted because the
poster suddenly got bored and lost
interest in mid post



Last edited by JR at Oct 2 2003, 02:59 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 2 2003, 05:57 AM
Sorry for the inconvienence:

This post was deleted because the
poster has lost interest in mid post
story of my life....
:-)

thank you, Carnegie!
;-))))

[Almighty Colin]

In response to this, my father said " I was opposed to making Texas a state then and I'm opposed now." ;-)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Colin@Oct 2 2003, 08:06 AM
In response to this, my father said " I was opposed to making Texas a state then and I'm opposed now." ;-)
hahahhaha,
brains DO run in your family!
;-))) :okthumb:

[Almighty Colin]

So if a teacher wants to display the flags of World War II, should they exclude the Nazi flag? *gasp*

Why not the Japanese flag? Maybe in Germany they shouldn't show the US flag in their version?

Maybe the teacher should only have "Visions of World War II" on certain days of the year. Days that won't be offensive to anyone.

Now they're only showing the American flag. Reminds me of that South Park episode where they get rid of everything associated with Christmas.

Why not make the whole world blind?



Last edited by Colin at Oct 2 2003, 12:53 PM

[*KK*]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 1 2003, 11:22 PM
why not have a high school parade with kids dressed up as KKK members carrying burning crosses and chanting "all niggers must die". nothing wrong with that... as you said, "you can't run away from history" Following "kill a nigger" week at the local Junior High, they can move right into "shoot an indian day" and "bitch get in there and cook me some grub and my clothes better be clean" day.
I see you've got some issues with MLK day, Thanksgiving and Mothers Day, JR ;)

[ulfie]

Free speech is a bitch, isn't it? Seems to me it worked in this case.

There was a KKK rally here a few years ago and 5000 people showed up to shout them down. In my mind that's stupid. Just gave them more media coverage. If 10 people showed up it wouldn't have been as big a deal as it was. Probably helped the KKK more than it hurt them. Probably rallied the nutjobs more than anything. The KKK has free speech rights but I also have the freedom not to listen to them. Pretty simple actually.

[SykkBoy]

Let's just rose-color all of history:

http://www.herbalinventory.com/shit/newflag.jpg

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Colin@Oct 2 2003, 12:51 PM
So if a teacher wants to display the flags of World War II, should they exclude the Nazi flag? *gasp*

Why not the Japanese flag? Maybe in Germany they shouldn't show the US flag in their version?

Maybe the teacher should only have "Visions of World War II" on certain days of the year. Days that won't be offensive to anyone.

Now they're only showing the American flag. Reminds me of that South Park episode where they get rid of everything associated with Christmas.

Why not make the whole world blind?
Ummm ... no offense, Colin, but that's bullshit.

There is a significant difference between a teacher showing the flags of the powers that fought in WWII in a classroom and a halftime display involving a Nazi flag on the football field - particularly on a Jewish holiday.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Oct 2 2003, 01:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Oct 2 2003, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Oct 2 2003, 12:51 PM
So if a teacher wants to display the flags of World War II, should they exclude the Nazi flag? *gasp*

Why not the Japanese flag? Maybe in Germany they shouldn't show the US flag in their version?

Maybe the teacher should only have "Visions of World War II" on certain days of the year. Days that won't be offensive to anyone.

Now they're only showing the American flag. Reminds me of that South Park episode where they get rid of everything associated with Christmas.

Why not make the whole world blind?
Ummm ... no offense, Colin, but that's bullshit.

There is a significant difference between a teacher showing the flags of the powers that fought in WWII in a classroom and a halftime display involving a Nazi flag on the football field - particularly on a Jewish holiday.[/b][/quote]
Where is the difference?

Were the Nazi's not an important part of World War II??

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 01:30 PM
There is a significant difference between a teacher showing the flags of the powers that fought in WWII in a classroom and a halftime display involving a Nazi flag on the football field - particularly on a Jewish holiday.
It's not like they were just showing a Nazi flag. Context.

"Grissom said it was part of a show entitled “Visions of World War Two,” in which the flags and music were intended to represent the warring nations."

I see a plural there ... flags.

---------

From: http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?...7F-2D681F7D52A2 (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4AAEC751-E8F0-4DB7-8E7F-2D681F7D52A2)

"The show included the flags of other nations fighting in World War II, such as France, Britain, the United States and Japan. The flags were waved twice as a musical selection from each country was played."

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=107...7&PAG=461&rfi=9 (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1078&dept_id=151021&newsid=10249437&PAG=461&rfi=9)

The show also includes the flags and music of France, Britain, Japan and the United States. The flags were raised in intervals that corresponded with the music of the nations. An announcement over loudspeakers before the performance explained the school was trying to do a "historical, accurate depiction of the event."

------------

"Now, Grisson said the show will only include the American flag. "

:salute:



Last edited by Colin at Oct 2 2003, 01:40 PM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by *KK*@Oct 2 2003, 01:00 PM
I see you've got some issues with MLK day, Thanksgiving and Mothers Day, JR ;)
:lol:

[PornoDoggy]

Now, I just have a public school education, but it seems to me that the Nazi flag may carry a bit more baggage than the Japanese or Italian flgs might. To my knowledge there aren't any currently active hate groups who proudly display the "Rising Sun" or Italian flags as a symbol of their views.

It was an absolutely STUPID selection for use at the halftime show of a high school football game.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 01:50 PM
Now, I just have a public school education, but it seems to me that the Nazi flag may carry a bit more baggage than the Japanese or Italian flgs might. To my knowledge there aren't any currently active hate groups who proudly display the "Rising Sun" or Italian flags as a symbol of their views.

It was an absolutely STUPID selection for use at the halftime show of a high school football game.
Do you think they should not EVER do a "Flags of World War II" show at a football game or just on days that aren't jewish holidays?



Last edited by Colin at Oct 2 2003, 01:56 PM

[*KK*]

Hmm, I've got a public school education too PD - but I still don't see the reason for the uproar.

I would agree the timing could have been more politically correct but at the end of the day, whats done is done.

To ignore significant parts of history is incomprehensible to me.

Being from the South, there are lots of people still flying the Rebel flag, all over the place. I have a lot of friends who could choose to be offended but instead choose to care less...

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Colin+Oct 2 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Oct 2 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 01:50 PM
Now, I just have a public school education, but it seems to me that the Nazi flag may carry a bit more baggage than the Japanese or Italian flgs might. To my knowledge there aren't any currently active hate groups who proudly display the "Rising Sun" or Italian flags as a symbol of their views.

It was an absolutely STUPID selection for use at the halftime show of a high school football game.
Do you think they should not EVER do a "Flags of World War II" show at a football game or just on days that aren't jewish holidays?[/b][/quote]
As I said, the Nazi flag "lives on", so it's probably an inadvisable choice for a halftime football show regardless of the day.

[*KK*]

Hmmm, if they had the Allied flags 'attack' the Axis flags in this show, and beat them all into the ground, would that have been more acceptable to those that took offense?

[ulfie]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Oct 2 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Oct 2 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Oct 2 2003, 01:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 01:50 PM
Now, I just have a public school education, but it seems to me that the Nazi flag may carry a bit more baggage than the Japanese or Italian flgs might. To my knowledge there aren't any currently active hate groups who proudly display the "Rising Sun" or Italian flags as a symbol of their views.

It was an absolutely STUPID selection for use at the halftime show of a high school football game.
Do you think they should not EVER do a "Flags of World War II" show at a football game or just on days that aren't jewish holidays?
As I said, the Nazi flag "lives on", so it's probably an inadvisable choice for a halftime football show regardless of the day.[/b][/quote]
My cousin and her husband are artists. He paints some pictures that I find pretty offensive but he does it to get a reaction out of people. (He hates Republicans so we have some interesting discussions) I don't see much difference between that and showing a nazi flag especially when it's for artistic reasons. I guess we should just ban everything that anyone might find remotely offensive. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Oct 2 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Oct 2 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Oct 2 2003, 01:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 01:50 PM
Now, I just have a public school education, but it seems to me that the Nazi flag may carry a bit more baggage than the Japanese or Italian flgs might. To my knowledge there aren't any currently active hate groups who proudly display the "Rising Sun" or Italian flags as a symbol of their views.

It was an absolutely STUPID selection for use at the halftime show of a high school football game.
Do you think they should not EVER do a "Flags of World War II" show at a football game or just on days that aren't jewish holidays?
As I said, the Nazi flag "lives on", so it's probably an inadvisable choice for a halftime football show regardless of the day.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, I'd much prefer a Teletubbies half-time show than something of historical importance........

(of course, we wouldn't want to offend the Christians, so we'd have to remove the "gay" teletubby)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by *KK*@Oct 2 2003, 02:08 PM
Hmmm, if they had the Allied flags 'attack' the Axis flags in this show, and beat them all into the ground, would that have been more acceptable to those that took offense?
That would have been pretty cool! In the end, a fat boy with an american flag could jump on a skinny kid carrying a Japanese flag. THE END!



Last edited by Colin at Oct 2 2003, 02:50 PM

[PornoDoggy]

Maybe we could do a halftime show commemorating the VietNam war, complete with a couple of VC flags being waved and some "hippies" burning the American flag?

[*KK*]

Sure, as long as we had some skinny Marines jumping on the fat hippies in their Kent State shirts and beating them up.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 03:14 PM
Maybe we could do a halftime show commemorating the VietNam war, complete with a couple of VC flags being waved and some "hippies" burning the American flag?
PornDoggy,
I have a question for you.....

should a daughter breast feed her father?

YES or NO and what the reaction of the crowd should be?

I am serious as a heart attack and expect your honest answer

[PornoDoggy]

As part of a football halftime show?

Hellifiknow ...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 2 2003, 03:36 PM
As part of a football halftime show?

Hellifiknow ...
no, as part of life...

[Winetalk.com]

let me chew the sentence for you to make it easier to process...

in your opinion, is it socially acceptable for the daughter to breast feed her father?

[JR]

why would he answer leading and loaded questions?

the whole issue is about what may or may not be appropriate at a high school football game. not about incest at a high school football game. stop picking on Texans.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 2 2003, 04:09 PM
why would he answer leading and loaded questions?
PD fears nothing.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Colin+Oct 2 2003, 04:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Oct 2 2003, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Oct 2 2003, 04:09 PM
why would he answer leading and loaded questions?
PD fears nothing.[/b][/quote]
he is DEFINATELLY avoiding this one, as he knows I got him set for something cute
;-))))

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Oct 2 2003, 04:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Oct 2 2003, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Oct 2 2003, 04:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Oct 2 2003, 04:09 PM
why would he answer leading and loaded questions?
PD fears nothing.
he is DEFINATELLY avoiding this one, as he knows I got him set for something cute
;-))))[/b][/quote]
The suspense is killing me.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Colin+Oct 2 2003, 04:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Oct 2 2003, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Oct 2 2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Oct 2 2003, 04:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Oct 2 2003, 04:09 PM
why would he answer leading and loaded questions?
PD fears nothing.
he is DEFINATELLY avoiding this one, as he knows I got him set for something cute
;-))))
The suspense is killing me.[/b][/quote]
Colin,
ONLY for you...
check the roman pics I posted yesterday, the clue is right there
;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

One has fear when in front of a goat , when behind a mule , and on every side of a fool. - Jewish Proverb


;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 2 2003, 04:46 PM
One has fear when in front of a goat , when behind a mule , and on every side of a fool. - Jewish Proverb


;-)))
you are not doing bad for a goim
;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

" He is not Jewish , but he pretends to be because its good for business " - the Movie "Snatch"

;-)))

[FATPad]

Sweet. In 100 years WWII will be known as the war in which the US, Britain and France held hands and gave out flowers. All references to the Nazis and the other Axis powers will be wiped out. Everything bad should never be mentioned because then it will never have happened.

[JR]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 2 2003, 01:52 PM
" He is not Jewish , but he pretends to be because its good for business " - the Movie "Snatch"

;-)))
i love that movie!
i like Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels too.

[JR]

Originally posted by FATPad@Oct 2 2003, 04:26 PM
Sweet. In 100 years WWII will be known as the war in which the US, Britain and France held hands and gave out flowers. All references to the Nazis and the other Axis powers will be wiped out. Everything bad should never be mentioned because then it will never have happened.
i agree. thats why the schools should sponsor a "Nazi SS Death Squad" week at the local junior high to remind the kids about the attrocities comitted during WWII. they could simulate rounding their friends up, sorting them by age, sex and health and then sending them off to either a work camp or a gas chamber. the meaner kids would be allowed to just pretend to shoot and rape people for fun.

... or maybe we could just leave it all to history classes, books and documentaries?

[PornoDoggy]

I don't know anything about daughters nursing their fathers ... but I do recall the closing chapter of the Grapes of Wrath. If you want to discuss art, that's fine - but we're not talking about art. We're talking about the halftime show at a fucking high school football game.

Perhaps some of you went to different kinds of schools than me, but the most offesnive thing I ever saw at a high school football halftime show was the marching band attempting to play pieces from "Tommy." It's not what I consider an educational venue - so all this crap about not teaching about the Nazis seems more than a bit hysterical to me.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by JR+Oct 2 2003, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Oct 2 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Oct 2 2003, 04:26 PM
Sweet. In 100 years WWII will be known as the war in which the US, Britain and France held hands and gave out flowers. All references to the Nazis and the other Axis powers will be wiped out. Everything bad should never be mentioned because then it will never have happened.
i agree. thats why the schools should sponsor a "Nazi SS Death Squad" week at the local junior high to remind the kids about the attrocities comitted during WWII. they could simulate rounding their friends up, sorting them by age, sex and health and then sending them off to either a work camp or a gas chamber. the meaner kids would be allowed to just pretend to shoot and rape people for fun.

... or maybe we could just leave it all to history classes, books and documentaries?[/b][/quote]
Oh for fuck's sake, now you're really reaching...

It's a fucking flag that was flown during a halftime show that encompassed WWII. That doesn't make it a celelbration of what the fucking Nazi's did.

Don't you have a clever photoshop to add to this thread? I added mine...I call him Love and Flowers Hitler....

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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 3 2003, 12:52 AM
I don't know anything about daughters nursing their fathers ... but I do recall the closing chapter of the Grapes of Wrath. If you want to discuss art, that's fine - but we're not talking about art. We're talking about the halftime show at a fucking high school football game.


yes, we do...and I say it was ART!@!!!!!!!

It was orchestrated presentation, it IS art!

therefore,
neither yours nor JR's arguments hold waters,
unless of course,
you wanna join forces with Jessee Helms, Ashcroft and company and enforce YOUR definitian of "art"....

go ahead, make my day

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 3 2003, 12:52 AM
Perhaps some of you went to different kinds of schools than me, but the most offesnive thing I ever saw at a high school football halftime show was the marching band attempting to play pieces from "Tommy."
I saw a really fat cheerleader doing splits.

[JR]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Oct 3 2003, 11:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Oct 3 2003, 11:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Oct 2 2003, 11:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--FATPad@Oct 2 2003, 04:26 PM
Sweet. In 100 years WWII will be known as the war in which the US, Britain and France held hands and gave out flowers. All references to the Nazis and the other Axis powers will be wiped out. Everything bad should never be mentioned because then it will never have happened.
i agree. thats why the schools should sponsor a "Nazi SS Death Squad" week at the local junior high to remind the kids about the attrocities comitted during WWII. they could simulate rounding their friends up, sorting them by age, sex and health and then sending them off to either a work camp or a gas chamber. the meaner kids would be allowed to just pretend to shoot and rape people for fun.

... or maybe we could just leave it all to history classes, books and documentaries?
Oh for fuck's sake, now you're really reaching...

It's a fucking flag that was flown during a halftime show that encompassed WWII. That doesn't make it a celelbration of what the fucking Nazi's did.

Don't you have a clever photoshop to add to this thread? I added mine...I call him Love and Flowers Hitler....[/b][/quote]
my point is not "its a flag and its a terrible thing"

my point is that "its a part of history, so it's ok" is a weak argument as well. why is it relevent that its a part of history? Turks invading neighboring countries, burning villages, raping and throwing babies in the air to try to stab them in mid-flight is a part of history too. so what? are we going to not be upset at a "spear a baby" at the half time show?

my point is that there are clearly boundaries to acceptable and unnaceptable displays and there are cleary appropriate and innapropriate times and places.

who decides those boundaries? you? me? Serge?

people do. people decide what is acceptable and unnaceptable. people decided right there on the spot that they did not like it. They had better information to make that decision than any of us do here. unlike Serge, who continually makes irrelevent referrences to Stalin as if there are some parallels between October 1917 in Russia and The Great Paris Texas High School Football Game of 03'... they made an educated decision.

I would go further to say that the boundaries for acceptable behavior of Sykkboy, updating a porn site while listening to megadeth may in fact be a little different than the boundaries of a family of 6 at a school function.

I am not saying anyone is right or wrong. i am saying that the argument itself that "its a part of history...blah blah blah" is just as weak and silly as any other argument.

Serge is more clever than i am because he just declares people to be wrong and thats the end of it. sucks i did not think of that first.




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Originally posted by JR@Oct 4 2003, 02:33 AM

my point is not "its a flag and its a terrible thing"

my point is that "its a part of history, so it's ok" is a weak argument as well. why is it relevent that its a part of history? Turks invading neighboring countries, burning villages, raping and throwing babies in the air to try to stab them in mid-flight is a part of history too. so what? are we going to not be upset at a "spear a baby" at the half time show?




glad you brought it up...
this IS the part of history which NEVER should be forgotten and always should be condemed...or it will happen again.

REMEMBERING autrocities is GOOD,
seeping them under the rug is BAD

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Originally posted by JR@Oct 4 2003, 02:33 AM
who decides those boundaries? you? me? Serge?


most of the times those boundaries are decided by the groups of bureaucrats....who prohibit Romeo and Juliet from public schools in Bible Belt counties

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Originally posted by JR@Oct 4 2003, 02:33 AM


people do. people decide what is acceptable and unnaceptable. people decided right there on the spot that they did not like it. They had better information to make that decision than any of us do here. unlike Serge, who continually makes irrelevent referrences to Stalin as if there are some parallels between October 1917 in Russia and The Great Paris Texas High School Football Game of 03'... they made an educated decision.


people have the right to like or dislike anything...
The same people do not like the content of your sites and pronounce them illegal under community standards,
and webmasters do not like Plasurelabs...which of course not neseserily is a reflection of the merits of the program

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Originally posted by JR@Oct 4 2003, 02:33 AM


Serge is more clever than i am
find me anybody who would argue with you on this one....

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by JR@Oct 4 2003, 02:33 AM
I would go further to say that the boundaries for acceptable behavior of Sykkboy, updating a porn site while listening to megadeth may in fact be a little different than the boundaries of a family of 6 at a school function.

I am not saying anyone is right or wrong. i am saying that the argument itself that "its a part of history...blah blah blah" is just as weak and silly as any other argument.

I still don't see how display of a flag during a half time show pisses so many people off...we're talking about context. It wan't like a bunch of neo-Nazis were out seig heiling the flag and singing "These Boots Were Made For Stomping", it was part of a display of warring nations of WWII. Now, if there was a man dressed as Hitler, that may have been poor taste.

Actually, the teacher who put this together should be fired for trying to something educational during a football field, because last thing we want associated with football is education....what was he thinking?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Oct 4 2003, 10:20 AM
I still don't see how display of a flag during a half time show pisses so many people off...we're talking about context. It wan't like a bunch of neo-Nazis were out seig heiling the flag and singing "These Boots Were Made For Stomping", it was part of a display of warring nations of WWII. Now, if there was a man dressed as Hitler, that may have been poor taste.
High school football game. I'm guessing the chorus of boos was 14 and 15 year old boys with nothing better to do.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Colin@Oct 4 2003, 01:01 PM
High school football game. I'm guessing the chorus of boos was 14 and 15 year old boys with nothing better to do.
It was in the south: the entire town from age 8 months to 88 was at the game. :)

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Peaches+Oct 4 2003, 12:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Oct 4 2003, 12:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Oct 4 2003, 01:01 PM
High school football game. I'm guessing the chorus of boos was 14 and 15 year old boys with nothing better to do.
It was in the south: the entire town from age 8 months to 88 was at the game. :)[/b][/quote]
I live in rural Illinois, and it's the same thing here. I know that's it's close to that in some of the St. Louis suburbs too. I've heard the H.S. football in Texas is equal to basketball in Indiana - it's not a relgion, but close.

[wig]

If the local community felt it was in bad taste, then the organizers of the event would suffer their due fate. Their reputation would be subject to review and there would be consequences.

Certainly, you cannot expect to apply the first amendment equally and not have people offended.

Why does there have to be consequences beyond that?

It seems to me that to expect / request consequences beyond this is to merely express favoritism among ideological agendas.

[JR]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Oct 4 2003, 07:20 AM


I still don't see how display of a flag during a half time show pisses so many people off.

er... thats been my point exactly. we are forming opinions based on assumptions of a writers explaination of an event.

those who were there, reacted to what they saw.

Actually, the teacher who put this together should be fired for trying to something educational during a football field, because last thing we want associated with football is education

again, you are making the same argument. "its a part of history" - "its education" etc etc. I can also show an aborted fetus to a group of 8 year olds and claim its "education" - however, some would argue the appropriateness of that act based on a variety of considerations.

its fine to say "i dont see anything wrong with that" - I might agree. But to defend that argument simply by saying that "its just a part of history" etc etc, is no stronger than the arguments of those saying its innapropriate for their own reasons.

[JR]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 4 2003, 12:14 AM


REMEMBERING autrocities is GOOD,
seeping them under the rug is BAD
how are attrocities being forgotten?

even schools as pathetic as those in the American public education system teach about world history, wars, world war 1 and 2 and how many people died etc.

i did not know Nazis were being forgotten to the point that there was a need to remind families at half time of a high school football game about 10,000,000 plus executions and victems of attrocities. i am sure many there would have preferred the antics of the school mascot and marching band, which is probably more appropriate than your argument for a statement about mass executions and more 60-70 million lost lives.

I think your Soviet schooling is taking over. although we all appreciated the fact that the Soviet Union had a vast arsenal of tanks and nuclear missiles - as Americans just never felt that showing off endless columns of weaponry while joining huge mobs of people drunk on vodka in belting out patriotic songs to the Red Army Choir about how Moscow is the capital of the world and the West will be destroyed forever, was an appropriate way to celebrate Librarians Day or any other innane event.

but opinions do/did vary.

[JR]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Oct 4 2003, 12:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Oct 4 2003, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Oct 4 2003, 02:33 AM


Serge is more clever than i am
find me anybody who would argue with you on this one....[/b][/quote]
Don't bother about genius. Don't worry about being clever. Trust to hard work, perseverance and determination.

Sir FrederickTreves

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Originally posted by JR@Oct 5 2003, 01:13 AM


Sir FrederickTreves
yeah,
that was somebody worth quoting...

and now be honest, folks,
who here knew before I posted that he was
English surgeon, born February 15, 1853???

those who thought they knew,
without looking in SE,
what was he famous for?

you see, JR,
you gotta find people to follow more wisely
;-))))

story of your life....

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P.S. and on another note,
JR, I hope you realize that your leading programmer leaving the company in Russia has NOTHING to do with our piss, right?

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Originally posted by JR@Oct 5 2003, 01:05 AM

how are attrocities being forgotten?

even schools as pathetic as those in the American public education system teach about world history, wars, world war 1 and 2 and how many people died etc.


what do you know about genocide performed by Egyptians in 2000 B.C.?

show me the jewels of American Education System!

...and if you were reminded of them from time to time,
you'd know and chances are they wouldn't be repeated...

[JR]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 4 2003, 10:22 PM
P.S. and on another note,
JR, I hope you realize that your leading programmer leaving the company in Russia has NOTHING to do with our piss, right?
Our "leading programmer" is my partner who is in FL who is pretty much a genius. I thought the other full time programmer also lived in FL. I suspect you knew that already.

why do you think this is a "piss"? i thought you were just taking the time to educate an unfortuneate example of the american public school system.

:rolleyes:

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naaahhhh...life is short and I have no time for that
;-))))

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P.S.
ok, it wasn't a programmer,
what was his title?

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 5 2003, 04:53 AM
P.S.
ok, it wasn't a programmer,
what was his title?
correction:
HER title
;-)))

[JR]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 5 2003, 01:53 AM
P.S.
ok, it wasn't a programmer,
what was his title?
I think your "sources" are about as accurate as your grammar and spelling. i really do not know what you are talking about.
:)

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Originally posted by JR+Oct 5 2003, 01:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Oct 5 2003, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Oct 5 2003, 01:53 AM
P.S.
ok, it wasn't a programmer,
what was his title?
I think your "sources" are about as accurate as your grammar and spelling. i really do not know what you are talking about.
:)[/b][/quote]
oh really?

and would you deny you make about $1000 per cam a day?


if you don't know what I am talking about, than as I suspected,
I know more what's going on in your business than you do,
which for some reason doesn't surprise me at all.

I'll send you the bill for private consultations I do on the side about pleasurelabs...

[JR]

I still dont know what you are talking about. i have not fired anyone that matters and no one important has quit. i assume you might be making some referrence to old correspondence with Forest or something... and no doubt you are prepared to post whatever it is just prove you can.

Like you frequently do Serge, you are proving that you are someone that should be kept at arms length, since you won't hesitate to get personal and even harm people and their business just to get post numbers up.

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Originally posted by JR@Oct 5 2003, 03:12 PM


Like you frequently do Serge, you are proving that you are someone that should be kept at arms length, since you won't hesitate to get personal and even harm people and their business just to get post numbers up.
JR, you really beleive that I am paid per post???????
;-)))))

you only prove that I still more know your busibness than you know mine....
;-))

my business is....and you can put it on your wall and chant it daily:
DO YOUR BEST and FUCK THE REST...

I am sorry if you feel as part of "the rest" today,
and as the saying goes:
"One day you are a windshield, one day you are a bug"
;-))

as for getting personal,
I suggest you re-read the entire thread and see who drew the "first blood."

Whine all you want,
but as you know me,
I never stop in the middle of the process and once the boundaries are broken, I go "all the way"..
which incidentally,
made me what I am,
while you still learning which quote from the "greats" are appropriate to use and which one is not...

One day you learn....to pick your fights wisely

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Oct 5 2003, 01:22 AM
P.S. and on another note,
JR, I hope you realize that your leading programmer leaving the company in Russia has NOTHING to do with our piss, right?
Your completely lost on this one Serge. Our programming team is in Orlando. We've never had any programmers in RU.

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Originally posted by Colin+Oct 5 2003, 04:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Oct 5 2003, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Oct 5 2003, 01:22 AM
P.S. and on another note,
JR, I hope you realize that your leading programmer leaving the company in Russia has NOTHING to do with our piss, right?
Your completely lost on this one Serge. Our programming team is in Orlando. We've never had any programmers in RU.[/b][/quote]
Colin,
thank you for pointing the obvious, JR and mne discussed that already.

Do you wish to contribute anything else to the main topic of the discussion on hand or would you rather discuss your business?
;-)))