Who is the Jesse James of the Internet

[Toolz]

Mike,

Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.




Last edited by Toolz at Sep 17 2003, 10:25 AM

[sarettah]

They largely go by hidden and anonymous and don't post on the boards....

I would give you some of their names.....

But I like breathing for now..............







:yowsa:

[Buff]

Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 12:24 PM
Mike,

Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.
I'm the lyrical Jesse James.

Does that count for anything?

[DrGuile]

Steve Goldman,
Cohen...

two that come to mind

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Buff+Sep 17 2003, 10:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Sep 17 2003, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 12:24 PM
Mike,

Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.
I'm the lyrical Jesse James.

Does that count for anything?[/b][/quote]
The Jessie James of Rock and Roll is one Jessie James Dupree....

[Nickatilynx]

Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:

1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs


Have I left anyone out? ;-))))

As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.

Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!

;-))

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM
Mike,

Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.


Are we talking about people stealing from the surfers? ripping them off? Cramming their credit cards??

Or just webmasters fucking other webmasters?

One is where the REAL big money is at, the other is for petty thieves....

[Trev]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 07:51 PM
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:

1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs


Have I left anyone out? ;-))))

As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.

Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!

;-))
I'm honest ;-))

Now where's this shit??

[Buff]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 12:51 PM
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:

1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs


Have I left anyone out? ;-))))

As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.

Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!

;-))
I only scam chicks.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 01:51 PM
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:

1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs


Have I left anyone out? ;-))))

As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.

Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!

;-))


Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....


There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.

[voodooman]

Thats easy.

Seth.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:

[voodooman]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.

[Forest]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 17 2003, 01:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 17 2003, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 01:51 PM
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:

1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs


Have I left anyone out? ;-))))

As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.

Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!

;-))


Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....


There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

[Nickatilynx]

Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....


There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.

I think I am just more realistic....

Things I have seen the moralists bitch about....

1.) back in the day,I had to deal with a complete shit fest when I allowed CONDOM members to have feckin consoles for Christsake.

I'll skip all the way to the present day mailer situation........

18,143,569.) No affiliate program owners willing to accept mail until spamwealth...(which got fucked faster than a virgin hooker in phuket! btw)

;-))

I mean...come on Mike.

I have respect for what you have achieved but lets get real here.

Morals change as fast as the weather.So bundle up winters coming ;-)))

I have heard Pete is STILL getting money from people.
Despite all the piss and it becoming slowly known that he has had nothing to do with either me or sextraffic in months.

Why?

The possibility of email hits and plenty of them.The possibility,mind.

I'm honest ;-))

Now where's this shit??

Smartass!!
Its over there with the hes teeth. ;-)))

[Opti]

If anyone crammed more than Crescent I would be impressed. Sure a few have tried though :matey:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by voodooman+Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (voodooman @ Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:
Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.[/b][/quote]


Well don't kid yourself.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 02:17 PM
Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....


There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.

I think I am just more realistic....

Things I have seen the moralists bitch about....

1.) back in the day,I had to deal with a complete shit fest when I allowed CONDOM members to have feckin consoles for Christsake.

I'll skip all the way to the present day mailer situation........

18,143,569.) No affiliate program owners willing to accept mail until spamwealth...(which got fucked faster than a virgin hooker in phuket! btw)

;-))

I mean...come on Mike.

I have respect for what you have achieved but lets get real here.

Morals change as fast as the weather.So bundle up winters coming ;-)))

I have heard Pete is STILL getting money from people.
Despite all the piss and it becoming slowly known that he has had nothing to do with either me or sextraffic in months.

Why?

The possibility of email hits and plenty of them.The possibility,mind.

I'm honest ;-))

Now where's this shit??

Smartass!!
Its over there with the hes teeth. ;-)))

Nick you are very good at this, but it does not work for me....

I know you better, and your history.

Sure everyone accepts mail, and is mailing - but there are different levels of mailing. Sending targeted mail to processor lists and such one thing, sending out gazillions of harvested e-mails, including to children, pushing the type of sites you do.... well that is a whole other story.

The funny thing is, we both have a general idea where we stand in this business.... you have done things most people would never even consider - even during a long hard winter.... and what do you have to show for it?? ( remember this is me you are talking too - no need to puff up your net worth.... I know better)

Nick you really should become a barristar.... because you are a VERY talented advocate. Maybe a politican... I could see you in CNN Crossfire...

I have full respect for this - just not the way you do business.

[voodooman]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:
Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.


Well don't kid yourself.[/b][/quote]
Mike,

Not that I would expect you to tell me, but does any of your programs
shave?

Reason I ask is this:

If Joe is such a theif, why does he NOT shave, but actually ADDS signups?
Shaving is kindof petty compared to what the discussion is about here.
Im not saying in the past he hasnt done anything to anyone, and Im not
saying he did, just that he's not the bad guy you obviously think he is.

Then again, everyone knows him better than I do, so arguing isnt going
to do any good.

BTW, It wasnt just him, he had a partner you know.

[Menace]

Verisign

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by voodooman+Sep 17 2003, 02:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (voodooman @ Sep 17 2003, 02:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by -voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:
Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.


Well don't kid yourself.
Mike,

Not that I would expect you to tell me, but does any of your programs
shave?

Reason I ask is this:

If Joe is such a theif, why does he NOT shave, but actually ADDS signups?
Shaving is kindof petty compared to what the discussion is about here.
Im not saying in the past he hasnt done anything to anyone, and Im not
saying he did, just that he's not the bad guy you obviously think he is.

Then again, everyone knows him better than I do, so arguing isnt going
to do any good.

BTW, It wasnt just him, he had a partner you know.[/b][/quote]
Nope no shaving.... We don't shave hits, signups, nothing.

I will open up my whole program and you can check it yourself.

I love Joe, I have been pulling for him to turn his life around for a long time. As I have been saying for 6 years, Joe is a Shakespearean Character....

But he definately gets at least a honorable mention in the Jesse James awards! :D

[Toolz]

Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.

[Nickatilynx]

I know you better, and your history

You don't know me LOL.

We have never met.

You may think you know me through a combination of public image and hearsay.But you don't know me. ;-)))

Sending targeted mail

Only mail I send.I do not send harvested emails.Frankly the 'heat' is not worth it.

pushing the type of sites you do.... well that is a whole other story

What sort of sites would those be?

I have only sent traffic in the last 6 mths to my own sites and those of trusted affiliates.All totally legal sites.

Though they may not meet your known high standards of pornography ;-))

If you are accusing me of sending mail to KP sites, we have a serious problem.I would like clarification of your veiled insinuation.

I have not and never would go down that route.

You see I do have morals.
My own.( note: morals may be subject to fluctuation)
Not yours.

And I do not hide behind a fascade of morality.

As for how well I've done....
I ain't starving and still process 6 figures a mth.Which if you make a KP allegation against me, I'll happily divert every penny of.






Last edited by Nickatilynx at Sep 17 2003, 02:52 PM

[voodooman]

Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:48 PM
Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.
Referring to shaving, Im talking about Ice Cold Cash, not TCG

[Nickatilynx]

OK..fuck it...I'm closer to the black area than the white. :-))

But all of us are just shades of grey.

all of us,Mike ;-)))

[voodooman]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 17 2003, 01:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 17 2003, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by -voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:
Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.


Well don't kid yourself.
Mike,

Not that I would expect you to tell me, but does any of your programs
shave?

Reason I ask is this:

If Joe is such a theif, why does he NOT shave, but actually ADDS signups?
Shaving is kindof petty compared to what the discussion is about here.
Im not saying in the past he hasnt done anything to anyone, and Im not
saying he did, just that he's not the bad guy you obviously think he is.

Then again, everyone knows him better than I do, so arguing isnt going
to do any good.

BTW, It wasnt just him, he had a partner you know.
Nope no shaving.... We don't shave hits, signups, nothing.

I will open up my whole program and you can check it yourself.

I love Joe, I have been pulling for him to turn his life around for a long time. As I have been saying for 6 years, Joe is a Shakespearean Character....

But he definately gets at least a honorable mention in the Jesse James awards! :D[/b][/quote]
Mike

no need, I believe you.

[Nickatilynx]

ahhhh the shave!!!!!

Why I now send my own traffic to my own paysites.

Trouble is,habit I guess, I keep shaving myself. ;-)))

Its the epitome of what Colin wrote yrs ago in his build an empire.

Send your own traffic to your own network of paysites.Selfsufficency is a wionderful thing.

[Mike AI]

Nick just because we have never met does not mean I do not know you. Remember we have MANY friends in common.... infact a few ICQed me this afternoon in response to this thread.

You can rest your Barristar.... I do NOT accuse you of any KP. I know even in the worst jails, people who fuck with kids end up like that catholic priest. There is still a code of honor amoung most theives.

Oh and Nick, I like you. I think you are one of the funnier, wittier people I know from the biz.... a lot like JoeE in many ways in my mind.

One thing this industry has given me, and I am not sure if its a good or bad thing is the ability to seperate personal and business views of people....

[Bex]

Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 11:50 AM
OK..fuck it...I'm closer to the black area than the white. :-))

But all of us are just shades of grey.

all of us,Mike ;-)))
A nod of ascension over here.

[Nickatilynx]

There is still a code of honor amoung most theives


Thank you ;-))

Oh and Nick, I like you. I think you are one of the funnier, wittier people I know from the biz.... a lot like JoeE in many ways in my mind.

One thing this industry has given me, and I am not sure if its a good or bad thing is the ability to seperate personal and business views of people....

I like you too, Mike and I admire the way you run your business and conduct yourself.

For a sanctamonious prig you have done very well ;-)))

Maybe we could do an Oprano Crossfire show sometime with you on the right,Serge in the middle,and me in Bolivia ;-)))

[Toolz]

Originally posted by Bex@Sep 17 2003, 12:04 PM
Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
Sounds about right, amazing what you can pickup being a fly on the wall. Why I've found it much easier to keep my ears open instead of my mouth as of late :)

[Nickatilynx]

Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?



Classic post!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))

[Toolz]

Originally posted by voodooman+Sep 17 2003, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (voodooman @ Sep 17 2003, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:48 PM
Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.
Referring to shaving, Im talking about Ice Cold Cash, not TCG[/b][/quote]
Okay so was Joe still with TCG when the statement was made?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by *KK*+Sep 17 2003, 03:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Sep 17 2003, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 11:50 AM
OK..fuck it...I'm closer to the black area than the white. :-))

But all of us are just shades of grey.

all of us,Mike ;-)))
A nod of ascension over here.[/b][/quote]
What color is beastie sites, and under 18 non nude teen sites? Would that Carbondale? Chesapeake? Dover Grey? Greymohr? Greystone?


:D

[Bex]

Originally posted by Toolz+Sep 17 2003, 12:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Toolz @ Sep 17 2003, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Bex@Sep 17 2003, 12:04 PM
Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
Sounds about right, amazing what you can pickup being a fly on the wall. Why I've found it much easier to keep my ears open instead of my mouth as of late :)[/b][/quote]
Hehe ... good advice to be sure!

[sextoyking]

Crossfire,

me on the left!!!!

:cdance:

[voodooman]

Originally posted by Toolz+Sep 17 2003, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Toolz @ Sep 17 2003, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 11:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:48 PM
Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.
Referring to shaving, Im talking about Ice Cold Cash, not TCG
Okay so was Joe still with TCG when the statement was made?[/b][/quote]
Toolz,

Of course one could argue that since
JoeE is still 50% Beneficiary, Fiduciary then
he would be 50% liable for it. But to answer
your question, NO, he wasnt.

[Nickatilynx]

beastie = a sorta off white cream colour,with maybe a dark grey pinstripe ;-)))))

U18 non nude = black

for me anyway.

:)



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Sep 17 2003, 03:23 PM

[Opti]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 18 2003, 06:11 AM
Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?



Classic post!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))
my mind runs wild imagining which bit might be the ironic part.. :ph34r:

[Bex]

Originally posted by Opti+Sep 17 2003, 12:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Sep 17 2003, 12:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Sep 18 2003, 06:11 AM
Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?



Classic post!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))
my mind runs wild imagining which bit might be the ironic part.. :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
I agree ... not sure about any irony. LOL

[Opti]

Originally posted by Bex+Sep 18 2003, 06:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bex @ Sep 18 2003, 06:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Opti@Sep 17 2003, 12:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nickatilynx@Sep 18 2003, 06:11 AM
Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?



Classic post!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))
my mind runs wild imagining which bit might be the ironic part.. :ph34r:
I agree ... not sure about any irony. LOL[/b][/quote]
I don't know either.. but I reckon it's prolly a question best left unanswered if my intuition is anything to go by ;-))



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[Nickatilynx]

Opti,Bex,

Sorry about that, I guess I have a twisted mind. ;-)))

I was just reading it as follows:

"swapping databases" = very immoral.
"gambling" = is considered by many very immoral and a vice.

So I thought it sounded a bit like...
"Remember when we were planning to rob that bank and over heard those scumbags talking about about whacking those guys"

or

"When I hacked that guys web site and found his emails planning rthat robbery"

ahhhhh fuck it....never mind...I guess its just me.

I'm easily amused.

I'm a crossbill away from becoming fully Kremened beyond all belief.

;-)))

[Opti]

Oh, my intuition was wrong :( yeah that's Ironic..

Should have left it to the imagination Like I suggested! What I had in mind was a much more interesting scenario! >:)) (sorry Toolz :P )

[Nickatilynx]

Ok...

(never let the truth get in the way of a good story)

Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?



No shit!!

I was on the next table playing blackjack,talking about exchanging databases!!

(Happier now?)

;-))))

[Opti]

Nah.. I feel a let down.... the reality just couldn't cut it with the fantasy... but I'm almost over it now. ;-))

[Toolz]

Nick,

The way Bex and I gamble can be more akin to "Helping pay for the toliets in the hotel" Though the Venetian may seem like a big heartless corporation if we didn't stop in and donate money to them there'd be no where to expell all the free booze they give you, it's a vicious circle.

[Nickatilynx]

The way Bex and I gamble can be more akin to "Helping pay for the toliets in the hotel" Though the Venetian may seem like a big heartless corporation if we didn't stop in and donate money to them there'd be no where to expell all the free booze they give you, it's a vicious circle.


ahahahahahaha sounds the same as me.
I consider it tipping on a grand scale. ;-))

Now back to your original thread....and not wishing to be the pot calling out the kettle,but

I reckon its gotta be Seth.

but Mike is right...there are so many.

[Dravyk]

What color is beastie sites, and under 18 non nude teen sites? Would that Carbondale? Chesapeake? Dover Grey? Greymohr? Greystone?

The first would be spotted or stripes, silly!

[cj]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 17 2003, 02:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 17 2003, 02:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM
Thats easy.

Seth.


Don't forget your boss! :awinky:[/b][/quote]
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

that would be my choice!!



cresent
seth
closely followed by joe

[slavdogg]

I would put John Zuccarini on this list as well

[wig]

don't forget Ken Taves!

[nlphoto]

This abuse of my name is so cruel... :yowsa:

[*KK*]

I would guess that not one of the really big ones has been mentioned, aside from Crescent and Taves.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 17 2003, 08:09 PM
I would guess that not one of the really big ones has been mentioned, aside from Crescent and Taves.
Yep, and, as we know, they probably won't be as long as they're still active since most folks are savvy enough to not burn bridges.

Will be interesting to see in three years time what names will be added to the list, as well as who will still be around to add them.

[Toolz]

Drav,

I'm sure we'll all still have PC's in three years time, what we're doing with them.... that'll be another story.

[BradShaw]

Biggest scammers in the biz over the past IMHO include CE, Aussies (including about everyone Cj has ever worked for), Crescent, Babenet, and many more.

Surpised several of these have not been mentioned yet.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 09:52 PM
I'm sure we'll all still have PC's in three years time, what we're doing with them.... that'll be another story.
Toolz, probably watching on our wall plasma screens and switching from the web to TV and back.

[Timon]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Sep 17 2003, 10:08 PM

Toolz, probably watching on our wall plasma screens and switching from the web to TV and back.
Why do we need to wait 3 years to do that??

[BradShaw]

Charlo is also a scammer IMHO.

http://www.gamblingmagazine.com/articles/s.../starnet357.htm (http://www.gamblingmagazine.com/articles/starnet/starnet357.htm)

[Hell Puppy]

Let us not forget Xpics...

IMO they, along with Crescent, are probably two of the companies whose actions are most responsible for the billing climate we're in today.

During the Xpics hay day newbies were flooding the net, and it was like shooting fish in a barrel to get them to cough up a credit card number for "free" access to porn. Xpics had slick ads, slick tours and once they had that credit card number they'd slam that bad boy every month until you cancelled the card itself in most cases.

I doubt they were the first to shave, but they definitely popularized it! What did they top out at? 20 cents per click? I dont know what their real formula was, but I do know that at the time there was no other banner or ad that you could put in their place that could make more money consistently. This despite the shave. The checks were large and they showed up every week.

And there-in pretty much the entire industry's human nature is exposed. Virtually everyone sent traffic to Xpics in those days, most continued to do so even after it was obvious what was going on. Human nature makes it tough to cut your own income by say 50% to pull their ads and replace them with someone more honest.

It was easy to rationalize. It wasn't like spam or beastiality or anything like that because the webmaster drew no heat. All they had to do was keep cashing those checks that showed up every week like clockwork. Easy to tell yourself, hey, i'm just selling them traffic, none of my business what they do with it!

[cj]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Sep 17 2003, 09:54 PM
Biggest scammers in the biz over the past IMHO include CE, Aussies (including about everyone Cj has ever worked for), Crescent, Babenet, and many more.

Surpised several of these have not been mentioned yet.
only one of the 2 aussies i've worked for was a 'scammer', and that lasted about as long as your marriage will ... good to see you are paying attention ... I didn't realize you cared! :yowsa:

being more successful than you doesn't make someone a scammer - especially considering the things you do these days are the same as the things the aussies did years ago ...

there's plenty of things for you to attack *me* with brad, no need to bring other people into it that you know nothing about!! :okthumb:

[Rolo]

"Behind every great fortune there is a crime. " - Honore de Balzac

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Timon@Sep 17 2003, 10:49 PM
Why do we need to wait 3 years to do that??
I like you too much, Timon, so don't make me suddenly hate you! Just don't say what I think you're going to say! :P

[Opti]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Sep 18 2003, 02:32 PM
Charlo is also a scammer IMHO.

http://www.gamblingmagazine.com/articles/s.../starnet357.htm (http://www.gamblingmagazine.com/articles/starnet/starnet357.htm)
Brad is also a scammer IMHO..

But I have no proof or any first hand knowledge... but i heard someone else say it once... and also he was too small time to bother mentioning in this thread I thought...


What did this guy do... take you for $7.50 Brad? maybe apply for a job writing advice columns for Ynot when you grow up..

(Did I see people posting somewhere that Brad wasn't going to be challenging for the resident fool anymore??)

[Bex]

Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:22 PM
Nick,

The way Bex and I gamble can be more akin to "Helping pay for the toliets in the hotel" Though the Venetian may seem like a big heartless corporation if we didn't stop in and donate money to them there'd be no where to expell all the free booze they give you, it's a vicious circle.
Couldn't have put it better myself!

But it is is still damn fun. :rokk:

[Shok]

I thought this thread was going to be about custom choppers :angry:



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[VooMan]

Nah Shok, that's on the Discovery Channel... :okthumb:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 03:08 PM
There is still a code of honor amoung most theives


Thank you ;-))

Oh and Nick, I like you. I think you are one of the funnier, wittier people I know from the biz.... a lot like JoeE in many ways in my mind.

One thing this industry has given me, and I am not sure if its a good or bad thing is the ability to seperate personal and business views of people....

I like you too, Mike and I admire the way you run your business and conduct yourself.

For a sanctamonious prig you have done very well ;-)))

Maybe we could do an Oprano Crossfire show sometime with you on the right,Serge in the middle,and me in Bolivia ;-)))
fuck you, nicholas!!!!

I haven,t scammed ANYONE, even you you cum suckin scumbag!

if I seem to be too harsh,
its just a key board, you smelly prick!

[Nickatilynx]

ahahahahahahahaha

See, CJ!!! ;)

Like water off a ducks ass!!!


:D

The "smelly prick" bit was a tad harsh though!

:nyanya:



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[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 19 2003, 08:26 AM


The "smelly prick" bit was a tad harsh though!

:nyanya:
I agree...on the surface, it looks like I know you more than I really do!

for the record:
I don,t know Nick THAT up close abd personal!!!!!

...and I NEVER even seen his dick!!!!! I have witnesses!!!!!!