Bush assasination plot ?......

[sarettah]

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2003/s...030916top2.html (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2003/sept/16/top_stories/20030916top2.html)

Elite NPA assassins target George Bush?

By Karl B. Kaufman, Reporter and Anthony Vargas, Correspondent

THE communist New People’s Army has deployed at least 50 of its “elite, highly trained” troops in Metro Manila to carry out an assassination assignment on US President George W. Bush, who is scheduled to visit the country on October 18, military sources said.

Requesting anonymity, the source said the deployment began as early as August “to establish an intelligence network” that would relay information and details to the NPA chain of command about Bush’s eight-hour visit.

“Their first assignment is to link up with front organizations [of the NPA] and, from there, share intelligence information so that an effective assassination plan would be established,” the source said, declining to identify the front organizations.

The guerrillas tasked to carry out the assassination, the source said, are all marksmen who have undergone extensive training in Southern Luzon for that purpose.

Individuals supportive of the NPA cause in Metro Manila will provide refuge to the assassins during their stay before October 18, the source added without elaborating.

[Joe Sixpack]

Somebody needs to kill that fucker!

I don't care who does it.

[PornoDoggy]

You know what, Joe? I think GW is the worst thing that has happened to the U.S. since the Great Fucking Depression, and even I think you're a moron for that remark.

Besides ... Cheney would NOT be an improvement.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Sep 16 2003, 12:27 AM
Somebody needs to kill that fucker!

I don't care who does it.
Cool. Another place to send troops. No doubt your country would send troops too. Assassination is the grand old way to start a war. :okthumb:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Sep 16 2003, 12:27 AM
Somebody needs to kill that fucker!

I don't care who does it.
damn you are an asshole....

Doesn't matter whether you like the guy or not... To hope that he gets assasinated is just fucked up....

We are sitting on the edge of a World War as it is... You throw an assasination in there... all hell breaks loose... Completely...

I don't know about you, but I don't feel like it is a good day to die...

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah@Sep 16 2003, 06:41 AM
We are sitting on the edge of a World War as it is
? ? ?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin+Sep 16 2003, 06:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Sep 16 2003, 06:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Sep 16 2003, 06:41 AM
We are sitting on the edge of a World War as it is
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I take it that you don't agree Colin ?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah+Sep 16 2003, 06:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Sep 16 2003, 06:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Sep 16 2003, 06:47 AM
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We are sitting on the edge of a World War as it is
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I take it that you don't agree Colin ?[/b][/quote]
Interested in your reasoning. I think a world war, as defined by the first two, would be defined as a war involving the major powers of the day. Who are the major power and why do they want to go to war with each other?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@Sep 16 2003, 06:59 AM
Interested in your reasoning. I think a world war, as defined by the first two, would be defined as a war involving the major powers of the day. Who are the major power and why do they want to go to war with each other?
Hey... just now got back to this....

anyway, I don't think it will be defined the way the first two were....

I think there will be more competing interests and some strange bedfellows IF it were to happen...

I don't have a clear picture in my mind of which way the dominoes fall but with 16 or more possible Nuclear armed countries sitting out there, a whole shit load can happen.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah@Sep 16 2003, 12:24 PM
Hey... just now got back to this....

anyway, I don't think it will be defined the way the first two were....

I think there will be more competing interests and some strange bedfellows IF it were to happen...

I don't have a clear picture in my mind of which way the dominoes fall but with 16 or more possible Nuclear armed countries sitting out there, a whole shit load can happen.
OK, so the world is pretty much always a fucked up place. I feel pretty confident with that statement.

Why do you think, though, that we "are sitting on the edge of a World War"?

Seems to me that we're quite a bit further from such a war on the ol' "Path to War" flowchart than we were during any point from the end of WW II until the end of the Cold War.

Strange bedfellows. Well, the world wars were certainly that. FDR and Stalin?

[dantheman]

I think sare is right, mainly because of n.korea, unstable with nukes isnt a good combo. Shooting OR selling could lead to nasty things :(

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@Sep 16 2003, 12:39 PM
Why do you think, though, that we "are sitting on the edge of a World War"?

Seems to me that we're quite a bit further from such a war on the ol' "Path to War" flowchart than we were during any point from the end of WW II until the end of the Cold War.

Strange bedfellows. Well, the world wars were certainly that. FDR and Stalin?
I am working off of 3 hours sleep, so I am no where near coherent today as I was yesterday... So I tried to slip by you...

But you aren't gonna allow that are you... Noooooooo....

Well Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssssseeeeeeeee Me....

:yowsa:

Ok....

When Bin Laden-AlQueda attacked the WTC they clearly, imho, had in mind getting WWIII started... They figured that the U.S. would come back hard (which they did) and the Moslem world would perceive it as an attack against Islam (which partially happened) and a domino effect would occur drawing the west into a full outright war with the Islam world (which did not occur).

But, they did get stuff teetering a bit on the edge.....

Then, in October 2002, they did the bombing in Bali which was aimed (again imho) at getting Indonesia's (and nearby countries, P.I. and SE Asia) Moslem population stirred up... They were possibly trying to get Australia to go into Indonesia...

Now, we have gone into Iraq which had the effect of partially alienating some of our allies (France and Germany) and again to many in the Moslem world appears to be an attack by the west against Islam....

We are also at the same time warning Iran off with a lot of the same style of rhetoric that we used prior to going into Iraq.


So, the Moslem world is unsettled with it's relationship with the west at this point....

Meanwhile, in Russia we have continuing attacks by Moslem agitators from Chechnya... Which does not leave a real good relationship between Russia and it's Moslem residents........

So, all over the world we have the possibility that the next action against a Moslem population by the West or Russia is seen as a continuation of an ongoing attack against Islam.... Basically, a situation that could explode at any point....

Pakistan is a predominantly Moslem nation that definitely has Nukes.... Iran is a Moslem nation that may or may not have Nukes... Some of the various territories that made up the USSR have large Moslem populations and may have access to nukes.

Now, lets see what else is going on in the world.

North Korea is making a whole lot of gestures indicating that they definitely have nukes and furthermore that they are not afraid to use them. China is staying pretty quiet, playing the moderate between the West and North Korea.

Meanwhile in the Middle East, the Israel-Palestinian situation is in a steady state of deterioration.

Now let's throw in an incident.... Say there was an assasination attempt by the NPA while Bush is in PI.....

The reaction from the U.S. would probably be pretty quick to jump right into P.I.... and hunt down the Communist New Peoples Army.... Unfortunately, this would also bring us into close contact with the various Moslem groups also fighting with the Phillipine Government.... The NPA would most probably be being supplied by North Korea... The Moslem fighters garner their support from Indonesia's Moslem population and various groups such as those that comprise AlQueda....

The U.S. gets into it with both these groups.... North Korea escalates support of the NPA and we go after North Korea.... China comes in to support North Korea....

At this point we are preoccupied all over the place....

Perfect time for the various Arab states to decide it's time to take out Israel (another Nuclear country)...

etc etc etc............

Don't know what Russia would be doing during this time except trying to keep it's own Moslem population in check... They would also be very interested in what was going on in the Middle East... and let's not forget that Pakistan and India might decide at that point that it is time to settle Kashmir once and for all....

anyway, thats just one possible version...

catalyst could be Israel deciding to take out Arafat........

anything that makes it look to the Moslm world that they are being further attacked by the West could lead the way.....

Not trying to be gloom and doom about it...

[Almighty Colin]

Sarettah,

I too have wondered what expectations Osama had of the US reaction to 9/11. He very well might have expected US troops to enter the Middle East. Would he have expected the Iraq war though? I certainly think Osama is happy with the political results; a world where people are more angry at the United States and George Bush than Osama and Al Qaeda.

Where I differ from you is that I don't think that any of the current tensions in the world are any more tense than normal. Quite the opposite really.

North Korea and South Korea, Pakistan and India, Muslims and Jews, Russia and a Southern neighbor. This could describe any decade from the 1950s to the 1990s. Arab nations fought Israel in all out wars in each of the decades from the 1940s to 1970s but not since. The current Palestinian situation is orders of magnitude less problematic than the Six Days War or the Suez War.

It is notable that some of the most potentially dangerous hostilities of the latter half of the 20th century are quiet or gone. The Cold War is dead. China and India, two nations which were involved in a border conflict in the 1960s seem to be on the road to better diplomatic relations. Germany reunified and the fears of a return of the historic tensions between itself and France and/or other European nations have not materialized.

Consider also that there are many regional power balancing mechanisms. The UK is both a member of the EU and a key ally of the United States. Japan has minimized its militarization (small compared to GDP) with US troops on their soil keeping the historic tensions between itself and both Korea and China marginalized.

For the first time ever, the US has basing arrangements with many Middle Eastern countries and is a supplier of weapons to Kuwait, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. The US is allies with the leaders of a number of Middle Eastern nations even if their populations remain hostile. NAFTA, the EU, and the new free trade zone between China and the ASEAN nations have created strong local incentives to avoid conflict. There has also been a great increase in consensual governments in the past few decades with the spread of Democracy especially in Eastern Europe and Latin America. Whether the spread of Democracy will decrease the chances and magnitude of wars is still quite hypothetical. We’ll have to see.

The great potential hot spots are the same as in every decade since the end of World War II and for the most part, seem to be quieter than normal.



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