Dear Islam

[Buff]

Dear Islam:

It's been awhile, but I see the game remains the same: Iraq, Indonesia, India, and, of course, Israel. And that's only the places starting with I! I don't know what to make of that pattern, but I will advise staying out of Indiana.

I just wanted to let you know how I've been uncomfortably numb for most of the day. I gave an acquaintance a lift to the bus station this sunny morning, and she confided in me that we were attacked because Bush was in the White House. I was speechless. I can only wonder how many others across the world buy into that.

However, I was reminded that Western Civilization blenches the moment it starts treating you like an adult. The moral relativism excuse train pulls into more stations than usual just to make sure your fragile, little self-image is not tarnished. I guess everyday people just find it too incredible that there really are a bunch of international thugs and malcontents on the loose trying to turn back the clock.

I'm going to have to get back to work but just wanted to leave you with one more thought. As far as I can tell, you are the spiritual equivalent of a petulant special education student, and without the equivalent of Reformation you will always be thus.

Drop me a line when you start getting your act together.

Buff

[Mike AI]

:okthumb:

[BradShaw]

Well Arafat should be assassinated shortly if that makes you feel any better.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10

[Buff]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Sep 11 2003, 01:30 PM
Well Arafat should be assassinated shortly if that makes you feel any better.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10
That would rule.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 11 2003, 01:19 PM
However, I was reminded that Western Civilization blenches the moment it starts treating you like an adult. The moral relativism excuse train pulls into more stations than usual just to make sure your fragile, little self-image is not tarnished. I guess everyday people just find it too incredible that there really are a bunch of international thugs and malcontents on the loose trying to turn back the clock.

purty fancy talk...for content.......... :okthumb:

[MikeW]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Sep 11 2003, 03:30 PM
Well Arafat should be assassinated shortly if that makes you feel any better.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10
Something that should have been done years ago ...

:rokk:

[XXXManager]

But isn't he a nobel peace prize owner and a legitimate democratically elected leader? :hic:
btw - That "talk" is about deporting him rather than eliminating the annoyance. As a matter of fact the talk is about "creating the circumstances needed for the removal of this person who is considered an obstacle for peace".

Now... What happend if instead of Arafat he was called Saddam? Or Bin laden? How many deliberations do you think lets say the US instead of Israel would have before using a 7 TON bomb eliminating the guy, his aids and everyone in a 50miles diameter? :salute:

[spanno]

>> I guess everyday people just find it too incredible that there really are a bunch of international thugs and malcontents on the loose trying to turn back the clock.

yea they are running America

[Almighty Colin]

Buff,

:okthumb:

[Almighty Colin]

Heh. Get that into a few people's email boxes and it might go viral.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Sep 11 2003, 11:30 AM
Well Arafat should be assassinated shortly if that makes you feel any better.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10

Good. Let the blood of the children of the zionist fraud flow through the streets before the eyes of the God that has turned his back on them.

Buff, crossposting plagiarism is gay.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 12 2003, 04:20 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 12 2003, 07:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 12 2003, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Sep 11 2003, 11:30 AM
Well Arafat should be assassinated shortly if that makes you feel any better.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10

Good. Let the blood of the children of the zionist fraud flow through the streets before the eyes of the God that has turned his back on them.

Buff, crossposting plagiarism is gay.[/b][/quote]
Labret, I know you, but most folks here do no...

care to introduce yourself???

[Labret]'s credo would be good,
or would you call it
[Labret]'s Kampf?
;-)))

[Billy]

Originally posted by sarettah@Sep 11 2003, 05:32 PM
purty fancy talk...for content.......... :okthumb:
I was going to say he is not just a pretty face.. but then I would have to go shoot myself for saying that ; )

[Buff]

Originally posted by sarettah+Sep 11 2003, 04:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Sep 11 2003, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Sep 11 2003, 01:19 PM
However, I was reminded that Western Civilization blenches the moment it starts treating you like an adult. The moral relativism excuse train pulls into more stations than usual just to make sure your fragile, little self-image is not tarnished. I guess everyday people just find it too incredible that there really are a bunch of international thugs and malcontents on the loose trying to turn back the clock.

purty fancy talk...for content.......... :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
Yeah, I'm smarter than I look (thank God).

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 12 2003, 06:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 12 2003, 06:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Sep 11 2003, 11:30 AM
Well Arafat should be assassinated shortly if that makes you feel any better.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10

Good. Let the blood of the children of the zionist fraud flow through the streets before the eyes of the God that has turned his back on them.

Buff, crossposting plagiarism is gay.[/b][/quote]
Labret,

I know I should be flattered that you think so highly of my diction that you actually accused me of plagiarism, but somehow I feel more inclined to rip off your giant, diseased sphincter-flaps and staple them to your ears so you can go as Dumbo with the chicken pox for Halloween than to thank you.

Of course, you could just apologize for being wrong.



Last edited by Buff at Sep 12 2003, 02:25 PM

[sharky]

Buff -

I must say, I have always been impressed with your distinct articulation in our conversations. The way you ask me to "tap that ass" always has the perfect inunciation of T and P and S
:-)

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 11 2003, 10:19 AM
Dear Islam:

It's been awhile, but I see the game remains the same: Iraq, Indonesia, India, and, of course, Israel. And that's only the places starting with I! I don't know what to make of that pattern, but I will advise staying out of Indiana.

I just wanted to let you know how I've been uncomfortably numb for most of the day. I gave an acquaintance a lift to the bus station this sunny morning, and she confided in me that we were attacked because Bush was in the White House. I was speechless. I can only wonder how many others across the world buy into that.

However, I was reminded that Western Civilization blenches the moment it starts treating you like an adult. The moral relativism excuse train pulls into more stations than usual just to make sure your fragile, little self-image is not tarnished. I guess everyday people just find it too incredible that there really are a bunch of international thugs and malcontents on the loose trying to turn back the clock.

I'm going to have to get back to work but just wanted to leave you with one more thought. As far as I can tell, you are the spiritual equivalent of a petulant special education student, and without the equivalent of Reformation you will always be thus.

Drop me a line when you start getting your act together.

Buff
That's quite the blog.
going to have to reread that a few times.

[*KK*]

Argh, go away you idiot! Go back to GFY!

[PornoDoggy]

I dunno, KK ... he and buff in the same conversation does kind of present a true balanace.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 12 2003, 10:21 AM


I know I should be flattered that you think so highly of my diction that you actually accused me of plagiarism, but somehow I feel more inclined to rip off your giant, diseased sphincter-flaps and staple them to your ears so you can go as Dumbo with the chicken pox for Halloween than to thank you.

Of course, you could just apologize for being wrong.

Think highly of your diction? Whatever redeeming qualities your little attempt at a psuedo-intellectual rant may have had were rendered null and void instantly when you exposed yourself the mental midget with your opening line, "Dear Islam". The rest of the rant could have been written in crayon for all it mattered. Your "diction"... it doesnt matter how many candy sprinkles you put on a dog turd, its still a dog turd. Yes wonderboy, your amazing analytical and diction skills led me to believe it was plagiarism.

"Oh goody" I thought to myself, another 9th grade theologian.

Let me see if I can explain this to you in a manner in which even you can understand sparky. Lets say that the Church of Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nations (a christian terrorist group to many), began a campaign of church bombings and selective assassinations. Would it wise of me to open my message board magnum opus with "Dear Christians"? Or would it be absurd to lump Christian Identity in with Catholics, Mormons, Eastern and Western Orthodox, Shakers, Baptists, blah blah blah? I am at least inclined to believe so.

Moral relativism and "reformation". Given the context of both in your brain fart, it is frighteningly evident that your grasp of history and religion is nill, and your concept of the use of moral relativism as an excuse used by some is lacking at best. Might I suggest a trip to the library? While there you should pick up a history book and take a look at what was occurring within Islam around the same exact time Xtians were killing off pagan Europe under the guise of redemption via the second hand words and blood of a dead Jew. Then come back and tell me about reformation.

So now, what was it about your post that dazzled me and led me to believe it was plagiarism? I believe the definition of plagiarism is "taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own". So yes Jethro, couching the same tired hillbilly rhetoric in pretty pretty prose and pawning it off as your own is indeed plagiarism.

And I dont know what is more tragic. The plagiarism itself, or plagiarizing the ideas of other idiots... and then crossposting it.

Stick to being content, thinking isnt your strong point.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 13 2003, 01:55 AM

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 12 2003, 07:01 PM
Argh, go away you idiot! Go back to GFY!

I wished I woulda emailed Oberst the part of the icq logs where you said she wasnt smart enough to think up that shit on her own.

That would be funny. I am sure she would be amused.

:salute:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 13 2003, 04:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 13 2003, 04:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Sep 12 2003, 07:01 PM
Argh, go away you idiot! Go back to GFY!

I wished I woulda emailed Oberst the part of the icq logs where you said she wasnt smart enough to think up that shit on her own.

That would be funny. I am sure she would be amused.

:salute:[/b][/quote]
who is Oberst?
why 2 of you talk riddles? Is this some sort of code???
;-))

[Almighty Colin]

Labret,

One thing I don't understand about your post.

Why can't we just kill 'em all?

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Colin@Sep 15 2003, 08:06 AM
Labret,

One thing I don't understand about your post.

Why can't we just kill 'em all?
Kill all WHO?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Sep 15 2003, 08:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Sep 15 2003, 08:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Sep 15 2003, 08:06 AM
Labret,

One thing I don't understand about your post.

Why can't we just kill 'em all?
Kill all WHO?[/b][/quote]
No, they are a very important organization.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Colin@Sep 15 2003, 05:06 AM
Labret,

One thing I don't understand about your post.

Why can't we just kill 'em all?

Killing off Buff and his ilk would have a disasterous effect on the economy and political landscape.

Buff, like most Americans, is a mindless consumer. He eats what he is fed. His identity, his knowledge of history and world politics comes via the flashing idiot box in the corner. And he obviously consumes alot.

What was the immediate response post 9-11? Get back on the planes, buy American, spend money, go back to normal. The economy is hurting, go back to consuming. Dont let the terrorists take your freedom. Your freedom to consume. If you stop consuming, and the economy collapses, the terrorists win. Not only was consumption the solution, it became an American's patriotic duty to consume. Freedom = consumption. Patriotism = consumption. It was partially brilliant yet mostly nauseating. Stick a flag on the minivan bitch, you are American.

Mindless fucking consumers of cultural texts. Gobbling up whatever is put before your face. Utterly oblivious.

Oh how I would love to line up the Buffs of the world and put a single bullet between their eyes. But as much as I hate to admit it, America needs Buff to survive. If we kill off the Buff, malls will cease to exist, entertainment industry would collapse, pulp style mass media... gone. Economy devastated. How do economists rate the health of this country? By looking at how much we consume. The more we consume, the healthier the economy. But the end result of mindless consumption is a soulless lump of phlegm we call an American. Cultureless and inept.

Imagine what our government would look like if they didnt have Buff sheep to lead around?

So go back to consuming you fucking vegetables, your government needs you.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 09:30 AM
So go back to consuming you fucking vegetables, your government needs you.
What're you saving YOUR millions for?

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 13 2003, 03:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 13 2003, 03:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Sep 12 2003, 10:21 AM


I know I should be flattered that you think so highly of my diction that you actually accused me of plagiarism, but somehow I feel more inclined to rip off your giant, diseased sphincter-flaps and staple them to your ears so you can go as Dumbo with the chicken pox for Halloween than to thank you.

Of course, you could just apologize for being wrong.

Think highly of your diction? Whatever redeeming qualities your little attempt at a psuedo-intellectual rant may have had were rendered null and void instantly when you exposed yourself the mental midget with your opening line, "Dear Islam". The rest of the rant could have been written in crayon for all it mattered. Your "diction"... it doesnt matter how many candy sprinkles you put on a dog turd, its still a dog turd. Yes wonderboy, your amazing analytical and diction skills led me to believe it was plagiarism.

"Oh goody" I thought to myself, another 9th grade theologian.

Let me see if I can explain this to you in a manner in which even you can understand sparky. Lets say that the Church of Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nations (a christian terrorist group to many), began a campaign of church bombings and selective assassinations. Would it wise of me to open my message board magnum opus with "Dear Christians"? Or would it be absurd to lump Christian Identity in with Catholics, Mormons, Eastern and Western Orthodox, Shakers, Baptists, blah blah blah? I am at least inclined to believe so.

Moral relativism and "reformation". Given the context of both in your brain fart, it is frighteningly evident that your grasp of history and religion is nill, and your concept of the use of moral relativism as an excuse used by some is lacking at best. Might I suggest a trip to the library? While there you should pick up a history book and take a look at what was occurring within Islam around the same exact time Xtians were killing off pagan Europe under the guise of redemption via the second hand words and blood of a dead Jew. Then come back and tell me about reformation.

So now, what was it about your post that dazzled me and led me to believe it was plagiarism? I believe the definition of plagiarism is "taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own". So yes Jethro, couching the same tired hillbilly rhetoric in pretty pretty prose and pawning it off as your own is indeed plagiarism.

And I dont know what is more tragic. The plagiarism itself, or plagiarizing the ideas of other idiots... and then crossposting it.

Stick to being content, thinking isnt your strong point.[/b][/quote]
"Mental Midget" -- The denigrator of plagiarism shares his own original, descriptive term. Or maybe he just shows himself to be an unispired hypocrite. Either way, it's not the ad hominems which concern me -- I know how superior I am to the lower life forms; rather, it's Labret's misunderstanding of the world we all share which encourages me to continue my fight against public "education" with even more ferocity.

It's a common leftist ploy to try to distinguish the so-called radical elements of Islam from the so-called mainstream of the "Religion of Peace." It's only a fringe group of psychos, you see, who want to impose the Sharia on the "free world." The average Muslim has a heart filled with love for his fellow man.

Which explains the dancing and cheering in the streets of Syria, Egypt, and the territory erroneously referred to as Palestine when the towers fell. It also explains why Muslims are at war with the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Confuciusists (my term), the Christians, the Jews, the Atheists, and any other ist or ism which doesn't drop to its knees and face Mecca five times per day. Or not.

And, of course, the leftists also love to explain to us that Islam was the shining beacon of light during the dark ages -- something which is only half true, which anyone who has "pick[ed] up a history book" about Islam ought to know. Having a blood-lusty pedophile who admitted to being inspired in part by Satan, and his followers, run around the remnants of the former Roman Empire converting people to Islam under the threat of death and assimilating into their warrior culture some mathematics and science, very little of which they developed on their own, does sound like the leftist ideal. See the former Soviet Union for evidence.

But being a misinformed and deliberately mendacious jerkoff isn't belligerent enough for Lebrat. No, his next post really iced the cake, to borrow an analogy of his....

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 15 2003, 08:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 15 2003, 08:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Sep 15 2003, 05:06 AM
Labret,

One thing I don't understand about your post.

Why can't we just kill 'em all?

Killing off Buff and his ilk would have a disasterous effect on the economy and political landscape.

Buff, like most Americans, is a mindless consumer. He eats what he is fed. His identity, his knowledge of history and world politics comes via the flashing idiot box in the corner. And he obviously consumes alot.

What was the immediate response post 9-11? Get back on the planes, buy American, spend money, go back to normal. The economy is hurting, go back to consuming. Dont let the terrorists take your freedom. Your freedom to consume. If you stop consuming, and the economy collapses, the terrorists win. Not only was consumption the solution, it became an American's patriotic duty to consume. Freedom = consumption. Patriotism = consumption. It was partially brilliant yet mostly nauseating. Stick a flag on the minivan bitch, you are American.

Mindless fucking consumers of cultural texts. Gobbling up whatever is put before your face. Utterly oblivious.

Oh how I would love to line up the Buffs of the world and put a single bullet between their eyes. But as much as I hate to admit it, America needs Buff to survive. If we kill off the Buff, malls will cease to exist, entertainment industry would collapse, pulp style mass media... gone. Economy devastated. How do economists rate the health of this country? By looking at how much we consume. The more we consume, the healthier the economy. But the end result of mindless consumption is a soulless lump of phlegm we call an American. Cultureless and inept.

Imagine what our government would look like if they didnt have Buff sheep to lead around?

So go back to consuming you fucking vegetables, your government needs you.[/b][/quote]
Now, this was the part which was more tragic than funny. A guy who doesn't know that "a lot" is two words (think: public "school") proclaims that television is my professor -- that I am one of the herded government baaa baaas who reacts with jerked knee in favor of that which Daddy Washington sets before me as my marching orders. This should be patently hysterical to those of you who have read anything I've ever posted here, but it should also be patently discouraging to those of you who have read anything that I've ever posted here: reading comprehension is a thing of the past.

So, yes, that's pretty ignorant of Labret; but the obvious hatred he has for his fellow man, especially his fellow Americans and their way of life, explains why he approves of Islam's attempt to destroy our culture. I'm sure he'd prefer to stone women who were raped than prosecute rapists, but Western Civilization did emerge from the dark ages.

Well, I'm not saying Labret is a lying, idiotic, leftist, douchebag faggot-- I'm just saying that tying me into his anti-consumerism drivel was a serious non sequitur, and also that he might not be a faggot.

[Opti]

Stick to being content, thinking isnt your strong point.

Looks like he decided to take you on at your strength... using his weaker assets... Time to post your dick pics Labret! only way I can see for you to win from here

(Don't ponder too long before you reply.. wouldn't want anyone to think you had to TRY to out argue some content)

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 11 2003, 10:19 AM
Dear Islam:

It's been awhile, but I see the game remains the same: Iraq, Indonesia, India, and, of course, Israel. And that's only the places starting with I! I don't know what to make of that pattern, but I will advise staying out of Indiana.

...REMAINING TEXT DELETED ...

Buff
As I posted on GFY ...
that is funny and clever.

Seems there are some pretty decent bloggers over here.

[still lurking ...kinda]

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 15 2003, 11:46 AM
funny. A guy who doesn't know that "a lot" is two words (think: public "school")
I would jump in here and have a bit of a go with you over some of the stuff you have stated here Buff but far be it from me to look as if I am in support of Labret in any fashion whatsoever.

However, your denigration of public education is getting a little hard to take. There are some of us here that were not fortunate enough to have rich mommies and daddys to pay for a private education but still somehow managed to come out of the system with some semblance of a mind. Further, there are many stupid idiots running around this world that are the products of private education.

The purpose of education is to teach you how to learn. Those that participate in their education, rather publically funded or privately funded end up with the ability to gather facts and form opinions. Those that do not participate in their education and merely go through the process end up with a bunch of disconnected information that was fed to them by teachers with their own personal agendas.

You can go back to your Labret bashing now.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 15 2003, 08:46 AM



Now, this was the part which was more tragic than funny. A guy who doesn't know that "a lot" is two words (think: public "school") proclaims that television is my professor -- that I am one of the herded government baaa baaas who reacts with jerked knee in favor of that which Daddy Washington sets before me as my marching orders. This should be patently hysterical to those of you who have read anything I've ever posted here, but it should also be patently discouraging to those of you who have read anything that I've ever posted here: reading comprehension is a thing of the past.


All that because I forgot to put a space between "a" and "lot"?


So, yes, that's pretty ignorant of Labret; but the obvious hatred he has for his fellow man, especially his fellow Americans and their way of life, explains why he approves of Islam's attempt to destroy our culture.

Destroy our culture. American culture, there is a fucking oxymoron.

I approve of "militant" Islam? Perhaps you could quote me on that? Or has your steady diet of cock and "you are either with us or against us" neo-patriot consumer rhetoric clouded your reading and comprehension abilities?

You are proof enough that America is well on its way to decaying from the inside. Help from an outside source not needed.



Well, I'm not saying Labret is a lying, idiotic, leftist, douchebag faggot-- I'm just saying that tying me into his anti-consumerism drivel was a serious non sequitur, and also that he might not be a faggot.


Leftist. So everyone that is not a super patriot is a leftist? Pretty strong argument on your behalf that you are not as simple minded as you appear to be. You are right sparky, everything is black and white, left or right.

You either love America or you love the Taliban. Right?

No, you have not been watching very much tv at all have you? From Bill O'reilly's ass to your mouth.

Its funny, at gfy I am the resident anti-semite bigot, here I am gonna be pegged the board lefty by the resident halfwhit. Good stuff.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 10:53 AM

[[Labret]]

However, your denigration of public education is getting a little hard to take.


They nevah tot me the diference between alot and a lot.

The vast majority of this country has been educated via the public school system. The very same educational system that built the nation that George W. Buff feels is so fantastic, is shit. Well, according to Buffy anyways.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 01:37 PM
Its funny, at gfy I am the resident anti-semite bigot,
which is the reason for my comment of:

but far be it from me to look as if I am in support of Labret in any fashion whatsoever.

[Buff]

It's "halfwit", halfwit.

What's this consumerism neo-con nonsense? What's this blind patriotism? Why do you accuse me of such things? When you pull this stuff out of your ass, do you occasionally grab a homing gerbil by accident?

If you want to build up straw men and throw darts at them, that's your Buff-given right. If you had gone to private school, though, you'd know that I am not a fan of Bush's -- you would know this, because you'd be able to read the plethora of disparaging comments about him (in this very forum, no less) that I've made since his election. But you're just having knee-jerk reactions, because I called out Islam.

And do me a favor: show me non-militant Islam.

Yeah, you're a moron.

[[Labret]]

I suppose we could continue to play spelling nazi. Err wait, you are the only one playing.

So I am guessing that was your way of dodging pointing out where I am left leaning lover of militant Islam?

Anywho...


And do me a favor: show me non-militant Islam.


You are a thick one.

Ill try and make this one simple for you as well. Going back to my initial post regarding the generalization of an entire faith for the actions of a particular denomination. I could easily sit here and list off passage after passage from the Torah proving my point that Judaism is rife with images of militant Judaism and anyone who considers the Torah to be the true and inspired word of God must also believe in order to spead the word of Elohim, sometimes it requires genocide. But that would be absurd would it not? For every "Muslim" terrorist group, I could probably name a Christian terrorist group. Should I lump all Xtians in with them? I find it hard to believe that someone as brilliant as yourself would actually sit there and believe that of a faith of a billion plus people, they all want to destroy America. I am no expert on various branches and denominations within Islam, just as there are literally thousands of branches of Judaism and Christianity, but I feel pretty safe in saying that there are no Sufi terrorist groups.

Here, I did the hard part for you http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...fi+terrorist%22 (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22sufi+terrorist%22)


Yeah, you're a moron.


:salute:



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 11:15 AM

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 15 2003, 01:52 PM
And do me a favor: show me non-militant Islam.

Alive and well and living in New York...............

http://www.gc.cuny.edu/studies/images/muslim_samp_1.gif

:yowsa:

http://www.gc.cuny.edu/studies/aris_part_two.htm

The ARIS 2001 total in Table 1, which shows 1,104,000 Muslim adults, is smaller than the figures in current circulation. Yet it is twice the number reported in the NSRI survey in 1990. Allowing for a sampling error of +/-0.5 percent, the ARIS 2001 figure maybe adjusted upwards to its maximum range of 1.0 percent of all 208 million American adults (see Table 1). With such an adjustment, the total national figure for US Muslims is 2.2 million, giving a total national population (including children) of just under 3 million. By comparison, the CUNY National Survey of Religious Identification 1990 found that 0.3 percent of respondents adhered to Islam.

.......................................

The geographical distribution reported in Table 1 is in accordance with expected patterns of residence. Muslim Americans tend to be heavily concentrated in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit and Texas




http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/RelatedArtic...les.asp?did=372 (http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/RelatedArticles.asp?did=372)

The Muslim Population Riddle
August 30, 2001 by Eric Boehlert Salon.com

How many Muslims are there in America?

The answer to that seemingly straightforward question is proving difficult to answer. And following the events of Sept. 11, attempts to estimate figures have produced palpable friction between Jewish and Muslim advocacy groups, each touting its own population surveys and methodologies, and turning a typically scholarly pursuit into a politically charged one.

The results, says Dave Roozen, director of the Hartford Seminary Institute for Religion Research, is an unprecedented battle between faith groups openly questioning the size of communities.

......................................

Last spring a Muslim-sponsored study, "The Mosque in America: A National Portrait," claimed there were between 6 and 7 million Muslims in America. The report, although part of a larger study of American congregations called "Faith Communities Today" coordinated by Hartford Seminary, was sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, who leads the largest African-American Muslim organizations, and the Islamic Circle of North America.

The study's sometimes startling findings, that the number of Muslims associated with mosques had increased 300 percent since 1994, certainly bolstered the notion that Islam was among the country's fastest-growing religions.

But it also raised eyebrows, particularly within America's Jewish community, which numbers roughly 6 million. As the Baltimore Jewish Times reported last spring, "Jewish leaders worry that this Muslim population surge will generate political influence that could skew U.S. Mideast policy."

In fact, "The Mosque in America" report came just months after Arab and Muslim groups weighed in with their first ever presidential election endorsement, signaling a new political emergence for the group as a sought-after voting block. (The groups endorsed Republican George W. Bush.)




Sorry, couldn't resist...............

Carry on....................
:agrin:

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 01:12 PM
I suppose we could continue to play spelling nazi. Err wait, you are the only one playing.

So I am guessing that was your way of dodging pointing out where I am left leaning lover of militant Islam?

Anywho...


And do me a favor: show me non-militant Islam.


You are a thick one.

Ill try and make this one simple for you as well. Going back to my initial post regarding the generalization of an entire faith for the actions of a particular denomination. I could easily sit here and list off passage after passage from the Torah proving my point that Judaism is rife with images of militant Judaism and anyone who considers the Torah to be the true and inspired word of God must also believe in order to spead the word of Elohim, sometimes it requires genocide. But that would be absurd would it not? For every "Muslim" terrorist group, I could probably name a Christian terrorist group. Should I lump all Xtians in with them? I find it hard to believe that someone as brilliant as yourself would actually sit there and believe that of a faith of a billion plus people, they all want to destroy America. I am no expert on various branches and denominations within Islam, just as there are literally thousands of branches of Judaism and Christianity, but I feel pretty safe in saying that there are no Sufi terrorist groups.

Here, I did the hard part for you http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...fi+terrorist%22 (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22sufi+terrorist%22)


Yeah, you're a moron.


:salute:
So instead of showing me an example of non-militant Islam, you show me an example of militant Christianity? And you think I will take offense or something, because you assume I'm a Christian or a Jew (because you're too stupid to understand that I can call Islam a scourge, a cult of evil, without being a Christian or a Jew).

It's too bad that you're too stupid to follow a bouncing ball, because that rules out letting you work the driving range at the local golf club.

Why don't you add your IQ to your ACT score and tell me if you need to add in your shoe size or not to hit 100.

[Buff]

Thanks, Sarettah, for pointing out that the only place where Islam is marginally peaceful is in the United States. Note that I would have said "in the Western World", but they're not peaceful in France or England.

[[Labret]]

So instead of showing me an example of non-militant Islam, you show me an example of militant Christianity? And you think I will take offense or something, because you assume I'm a Christian or a Jew (because you're too stupid to understand that I can call Islam a scourge, a cult of evil, without being a Christian or a Jew).

It's too bad that you're too stupid to follow a bouncing ball, because that rules out letting you work the driving range at the local golf club.

Why don't you add your IQ to your ACT score and tell me if you need to add in your shoe size or not to hit 100.

Yeah I guess I was a little naive in believing you could come to a semi logical conclusion. My bad.

Hey jackass, note the fucking Sufi reference. Sufi = Muslim mystics.


but I feel pretty safe in saying that there are no Sufi terrorist groups.


Now quick go find me some militant sufis that want to destroy America.

Regardless, I have class till 9 pm tonight so take your time slappy.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 11:49 AM

[PornoDoggy]

There are militant members of Islam in France, in England, and in the United States.

That does NOT mean that all of those who practice that faith subscribe to the violent teachings of the funamentalists, any more than the actions of the "Christian" fundamentalists who kill abortion doctors can be used to charactrerize the beliefs of all Christians.

[Buff]

Sufi suicide bomber: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Colum...,949208,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,949208,00.html)

Anything else, moron?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 15 2003, 11:51 AM
Sufi suicide bomber: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Colum...,949208,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,949208,00.html)

Anything else, moron?
You are an idiot of astounding proportions.


If this is true, it's incredible. Sufi mysticism is about as far away as you can get in Islam from the doctrines of Osama bin Laden.

To hear that someone who was once Sufi has turned himself into a human bomb is like hearing that a former Anglican nun has bombed an abortion clinic.


"who was once Sufi"

Fucking read your own article jackass instead of jacking the first thing that pops up in google. Fucking google scholar. I am arguing with a god damn search engine.

Find me some god damned organized Sufi hate smacktard. Not a lone wacko that used to belong to a group.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 11:56 AM

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 01:51 PM
There are militant members of Islam in France, in England, and in the United States.

That does NOT mean that all of those who practice that faith subscribe to the violent teachings of the funamentalists, any more than the actions of the "Christian" fundamentalists who kill abortion doctors can be used to charactrerize the beliefs of all Christians.
Yes, Lot, you can find 10 good Muslims. Of that I have no doubt. Hell, 100 good Muslims. 1000 even. Maybe 10,000. 100,000? Out of what though, 1 billion?

The vast majority of muslims live under theocratic regimes and support the use of terrorism to fight the west.

People can deny this if they wish, but it's true.

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 15 2003, 01:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 15 2003, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Sep 15 2003, 11:51 AM
Sufi suicide bomber: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Colum...,949208,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,949208,00.html)

Anything else, moron?
You are an idiot of astounding proportions.


If this is true, it's incredible. Sufi mysticism is about as far away as you can get in Islam from the doctrines of Osama bin Laden.

To hear that someone who was once Sufi has turned himself into a human bomb is like hearing that a former Anglican nun has bombed an abortion clinic.


"who was once Sufi"

Fucking read your own article jackass instead of jacking the first thing that pops up in google. Fucking google scholar. I am arguing with a god damn search engine.

Find me some god damned organized Sufi hate smacktard. Not a lone wacko that used to belong to a group.[/b][/quote]
Obviously preaching peace to Muslims doesn't take.

[sarettah]

Now wait just a durn second there...............

I did not say, or imply that the only non-militant muslims are in the U.S....

and even the most unreasonable person would have to admit that if even the majority of the estimated 1 billion muslims in the world could be considered militant, then we would be in a lot bigger trouble then we are.

The truth is that a small population of Muslims want to force Isalam down the rest of the world's throats, just as a small population of Christians want to force Christianity down the world's throat.

The vast majority of the world's population are content to believe what they choose to believe and feel that they will have the last laugh in heaven.

In the South Park movie, everybody dying was going to hell because they had the wrong religion. When someone asked, "well what was the right one", they were informed that it was the Mormons......

[[Labret]]

The truth is that a small population of Muslims want to force Isalam down the rest of the world's throats, just as a small population of Christians want to force Christianity down the world's throat.


What the fuck is Isalam?

Sorry, just had to point it out before Buffy discredited you and insinuated you cant spell because you love scat porn and were sodomized by a Japanese man when you were 9, instead of addressing the issue at hand.

But other than that I just have to say take your common sense and stick it in your ass communist. Go eat some falafel and pray towards Mecca Akbar.



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[PornoDoggy]

Buff, I'm not going to bite and play a numbers game with you.

Yes, there is a very real threat from Islamic fundamentalists. I don't think that all subscribe to that brand of Islam. You take the simple-minded approach. Not suprising, actually; - it is easier as it deesn't require anything complex, like thought. There are a lot of people who share your approach today - some of them because they are incapable of thought, some of them because it fits very well into whatever particular agenda they are trying to push forward.

The biggest problem I have is that putting something as simple-minded as your point of view into action as policy is the wet dream of the Islamic fundamentalists. Folks like you want us to become the most effective recruiter they have.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 12:08 PM
Buff, I'm not going to bite and play a numbers game with you.

Yes, there is a very real threat from Islamic fundamentalists. I don't think that all subscribe to that brand of Islam. You take the simple-minded approach. Not suprising, actually; - it is easier as it deesn't require anything complex, like thought. There are a lot of people who share your approach today - some of them because they are incapable of thought, some of them because it fits very well into whatever particular agenda they are trying to push forward.

The biggest problem I have is that putting something as simple-minded as your point of view into action as policy is the wet dream of the Islamic fundamentalists. Folks like you want us to become the most effective recruiter they have.

Pushaw! Everyone knows that cracking down on entire religious groups has the desired effect.

Look what it did to curb that pesky Christian problem in Rome. Perscuting those Mormons in the early days taught them a lesson. Those god damn Dutch reformers got their asses handed to them, now where are they? And the Jew problem, dont even get me started. Thank God Hitler got that problem under control.

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 02:08 PM
Buff, I'm not going to bite and play a numbers game with you.

Yes, there is a very real threat from Islamic fundamentalists. I don't think that all subscribe to that brand of Islam. You take the simple-minded approach. Not suprising, actually; - it is easier as it deesn't require anything complex, like thought. There are a lot of people who share your approach today - some of them because they are incapable of thought, some of them because it fits very well into whatever particular agenda they are trying to push forward.

The biggest problem I have is that putting something as simple-minded as your point of view into action as policy is the wet dream of the Islamic fundamentalists. Folks like you want us to become the most effective recruiter they have.
PD:

Look, I would agree with you if you said something like...

"Most leftists are basically good people who are simply misguided. It's only the fringe like the ELF Greenies, or the NAMBLAites, or the race-baiters, or the radical atheists who really mean to be malicious."

I can agree with that, because I believe it to be true -- most leftists are leftists by default: they never learned economics, and they think central planning is a viable means of sustaining human existence.

But Islam is not similar. Have you ever seen the polls in Saudi Arabia or Egypt? They DESPISE us (and sometimes rightfully so). They also despise the rest of the world which is not under the Sharia. And we're not talking about a radical fringe. We're talking about your average Mo. He thinks the West is evil and that as long as the West is allowed to exist as is, Allah will be pissed.

Now, the more Westernized Muslims tend to be more peaceful and less radical. Your average Iranian hates his rulers. I concede this. Your average Muslim Turk is pretty well integrated into the 21st century, intellectually.

But go down the list: Palestine, Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Yemen (I'll leave out the conflicts due as much in part to regional issues as religion -- Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.) -- these are very bellicose people. The empirical evidence speaks for itself.



Last edited by Buff at Sep 15 2003, 02:26 PM

[JR]

[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JR@Sep 15 2003, 03:31 PM
[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o
Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.

[PornoDoggy]

Now that's odd ... I personally think you have a lot more in common with the [labret]zinfuerher than I do.

But then, you are obviously delusional. You seem to think I'm an America hater.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 15 2003, 12:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 15 2003, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Sep 15 2003, 03:31 PM
[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o
Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.[/b][/quote]

You stupid bitch, I dont hate America, I hate "Americans". I am not surprised your ignorant ass cannot seperate the two. What you and your ignorant ilk have turned this country into is not what the founding fathers had in mind, nor what my forefathers fought for. I am not here to stop flag wavers, the only cure for a flag waver is an education. I will simply point out how you are an ignorant bitch each and everytime you attempt to make an argument. So preach on nigger, you are gonna be my pet project.

National Socialism, you wouldnt know what National Socialism was if Hitler stuck his dick in your ass. If there is anything I hate, its a dumbfuck using buzzwords. So go ahead slapdick, point out how I am a "National Socialist".

[PornoDoggy]

Uhhh ... [labert], aren't you the guy who likes to post "proof" of the Jewish conspiracy to dominate the media?

If it looks like a duck ... :rolleyes:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by [Labret]+Sep 15 2003, 05:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([Labret] @ Sep 15 2003, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 12:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Sep 15 2003, 03:31 PM
[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o
Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.

You stupid bitch, I dont hate America, I hate "Americans". I am not surprised your ignorant ass cannot seperate the two. What you and your ignorant ilk have turned this country into is not what the founding fathers had in mind, nor what my forefathers fought for. I am not here to stop flag wavers, the only cure for a flag waver is an education. I will simply point out how you are an ignorant bitch each and everytime you attempt to make an argument. So preach on nigger, you are gonna be my pet project.

National Socialism, you wouldnt know what National Socialism was if Hitler stuck his dick in your ass. If there is anything I hate, its a dumbfuck using buzzwords. So go ahead slapdick, point out how I am a "National Socialist".[/b][/quote]


:zzz: :zzz:

How do seperate American and Americans? Do you make these things up yourself? They both define one another....

To be VERY accurate - there is no America country wise... America is a continent, a land mass - North, Central, South - the Country you have disdain for is the United States of America. You cannot like a country but not its people...

You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 02:29 PM
Uhhh ... [labert], aren't you the guy who likes to post "proof" of the Jewish conspiracy to dominate the media?

If it looks like a duck ... :rolleyes:

First, even if I did post something that showed there was an over abundance of Jews in the media, what the fuck does that have to do with National Socialism?

Last time I checked, National Socialism was an ideology independent of race and or ethnicity. Case in point, this is the homepage of some Japanese National Socialists (http://www.nsjap.com/axis/intro.html) While Hitler made it famous, it would be like saying you can only be a communist if you are Russian.

Is that how you jackasses see National Socialism?

Rule #1: Hate Jews.

Yup, thats it, National Socialism in a nutshell. As if the Nazi version of National Socialism was the only ideology that disliked Jews. Muslims have hated them, Christians hated them, Communists hated them. Whats this kneejerk reaction to call someone a Nazi because they dislike Jews? Simply nothing more than the sheeple proving my point.

Seriously, cmon now.



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[[Labret]]

To be VERY accurate - there is no America country wise... America is a continent, a land mass - North, Central, South


Fuck me we are gonna play a semantics game uh?



You cannot like a country but not its people...


I almost just want to let that one stand alone. Like a beacon of retardation against the night sky.

I love England. I love the history, the environment, the weather. The people, suck. I used to live in Finland. The country itself, beautiful. The people, suck. I would love to visit Israel just for the history, but I would rather see a Zionist die in a bus bombing than anything else I can think of. Catch my drift Corky?

Do you think fat lazy fucking redneck Americans embody the soul of this country? Do ex sorority girl soccer moms in their SUVs embody the American Spirit? I live in Detroit when not in school. Do the masses of poor niggers sucking the welfare system dry embody the Spirit of this great nation?

Fuck all you fat consumer pieces of shit. Your forefathers didnt fight so you idiot fuckers could sit around fat and lazy, cultureless, ignorant of your own history.

I bet you couldnt pass a basic highschool US history test. If you cant they should revoke your fucking citizenship. You abused the privilege.


You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!


Ahh yes, true help comes from the TV doesnt it? Just more proof.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 03:06 PM

[Mike AI]

Labret, we need to start off on square one. Is there any group of people you DO like? Do admire? Do respect? People who are alive today - not history.

Sure it would be nice to have a country where rugged individualism is rewarded, and the federal gov't does not butt into every aspect of ones life - but that is no longer reality. Since the Civil War the 10th Amendment has been ignored.

But we have to deal with reality, the situation we live in now, not some fantasy land.... Maybe you can buy some land up in Idaho and start your own country, with like minded people. Just watch out for Janet Reno.... :D

Oh and the part about TV was humor, if you would relax a little, maybe you would have caught that.... Only thing I watch regularly on TV is sporting events which are fed to me by the zionist corporations to keep the masses amused....

that and porn from time to time....

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 15 2003, 12:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 15 2003, 12:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Sep 15 2003, 03:31 PM
[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o
Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.[/b][/quote]
Flag waving is for brainwashed morons with no capacity for independent thought.

If Labret is a 'quasi-wannabe intellectual' then what does that make you exactly? :blink:



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Sep 15 2003, 03:57 PM

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 06:00 PM
I live in Detroit when not in school.
I bet it's a public school.........




:yowsa: :yowsa:

[RawAlex]

Sorry, I cannot stay on the sidelines on this one...

You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!

Mike, considering that Buff has posted his hatred of Islam, Canadians (http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=be4a9eec177f10e7de45fe9ce77fadc6&threadid=173656), and apparently a few other things I haven't bothered to read, I suspect that it is he that has a little too much hatred to go around.

I think he should count himself lucky to make his money with his small head rather than the contents of his big one.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Sep 15 2003, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Sep 15 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 12:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Sep 15 2003, 03:31 PM
[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o
Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.
Flag waving is for brainwashed morons.

If Labret is a 'quasi-wannabe intellectual' then what does that make you?[/b][/quote]


People who think flag waving is for morons are usually brain washed communists who trot out the same lame quotes about patriotism.

I am a proud Patriot, and if this makes me a moron in your world, I am happy to take the title.

It is better then being an angry surf who hates and insults everything...

Funny thing is I have yet to see what you do stand for J6P.... it is easy to spew out hate, and insults....

:salute: :salute: :salute:

The USA is far from perfect, but it sucks much less then any other place on earth.... No other Nation can match the economic freedom we have... which is the engine that runs the world.

US is at the top, and will be way past you lifetime... So get over it...

And before you spout off I have never left the States - you will have to do better... I am well traveled.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 07:00 PM
Sorry, I cannot stay on the sidelines on this one...

You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!

Mike, considering that Buff has posted his hatred of Islam, Canadians (http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=be4a9eec177f10e7de45fe9ce77fadc6&threadid=173656), and apparently a few other things I haven't bothered to read, I suspect that it is he that has a little too much hatred to go around.

I think he should count himself lucky to make his money with his small head rather than the contents of his big one.

Alex
Alex is your issue with Buff or with me?

I have no problem with Islam or Canadiens in general....

I do think all islamic terrorist ( fundamentalist ) should be wiped off the planet.

I also think Canada is a 4th rate power, with some issues with its brother to the South.... but that is what happens when you do not for Independence and stay a colony of another country for so long....

I do dig Canadien women!!

:rokk:

[sarettah]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Flag waving for any person in any country. It is no different then holding up a sign in support during a demonstration or yelling YeeHawwwww at the top of your lungs at a concert...

It is showing your feelings towards something........

[PornoDoggy]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Flag waving for any person in any country. It is no different then holding up a sign in support during a demonstration or yelling YeeHawwwww at the top of your lungs at a concert...


Hmm ... so patriotism and belief in a cause is the same as being a big fan of [insert favorite music group here]? :blink:

The sad thing is, for some people there is no difference. They trot out a few memorized lines and consider it patriotism, the same way members of some religions trot out a few lines from the catecism and call it faith.

I am every bit the patriotic American that Mike is, no matter what Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh tell him to "think", and I use the term very loosely. Gimme a break - if the irony of saying "the same lame quotes" in the same sentence as "brain washed communists" was deliberate, it would be downright clever.

[RawAlex]

Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.

Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.

As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 08:24 PM
Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.

Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.

As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.

Alex
Alex... there is no hate baby.... for you to say that I have hate in me is ignorant. You are trying to base this opinion on some posts I make on the webmaster boards??



PD - I have been Conservative since birth.... way before Rush or Ann were public stars. I know you have a hard time comprehending this, but I develop my own ideas... I base them on my personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom I have picked up over the years.

In my opinion Ann and Rush have come to MY way of thinking.... :-)

I like them both, mostly as entertainers.... they both play their public roles very well, and I think they are both VERY funny. But I also think Moore and Franken are funny as well.... I just do not agree with what they are saying, but its still funny!!

I know its easier to paint people like me as a hater, who has no sense of humor.... but that stereotype does not apply to me...

So stick it on someone else....

:salute: :salute:

[PornoDoggy]

Mikey ... how come you have such a hard time understanding that others develop their own ideas based them on personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom picked up over the years - and they don't always agree with yours?

If, as I believe you have posted, you subscribe to the opinion that liberals are not patriotic Americans but instead believers in some foreign ideaology - then buddy, you are a hater.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 09:07 PM
Mikey ... how come you have such a hard time understanding that others develop their own ideas based them on personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom picked up over the years - and they don't always agree with yours?

If, as I believe you have posted, you subscribe to the opinion that liberals are not patriotic Americans but instead believers in some foreign ideaology - then buddy, you are a hater.
No PD, I think SOME liberals are not patriotic.... there are some liberals who are indeed patriotic!

My #1 issue with liberals is on Foreign Policy - especially now. We used to have the understanding that dissagreements end at the waters endge.... Not any longer, and this is from BOTH parties!

Economic issues, labor issues, social programs, etc.... these are all legitimate issues to have debates and disagreements on. But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.

Too bad that most dems do not see this and use it as a way to demagouge Bush....

PD I may dissagree with you, but I do not think you are unpatriotic....

[RawAlex]

Mike, READ CLOSELY:

I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD ANY HATE. I DIDN'T COMMENT ON YOUR FEELINGS AT ALL! You said about someone else's posts: "You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!" I said "I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there."

Quote me if you can where I said you are a hater of any sort. I didn't.

Alex

PS: 3 posts from me. New record. Enough.

[Almighty Colin]

I don't care what any of you say. I have a lot of hate. You can nuke the Middle East as far as I'm concerned. It's time to take on and defeat Islam in one final crusade.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:12 PM
But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.


Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 07:57 PM
Hmm ... so patriotism and belief in a cause is the same as being a big fan of [insert favorite music group here]? :blink:

bunch of fucking word twisters running tonight....dammit.... :yowsa:

I did not equate flag waving to patriotism...and I never will...

[Soul_Rebel]

Joe, Serge left the board, time to take over

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 09:15 PM
Mike, READ CLOSELY:

I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD ANY HATE. I DIDN'T COMMENT ON YOUR FEELINGS AT ALL! You said about someone else's posts: "You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!" I said "I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there."

Quote me if you can where I said you are a hater of any sort. I didn't.

Alex

PS: 3 posts from me. New record. Enough.


HAHA Alex I was just baiting you into more posts!!

Good to see you around. :D

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Sep 15 2003, 09:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Sep 15 2003, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:12 PM
But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.


Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:[/b][/quote]
Did I misstype?

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 15 2003, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 15 2003, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Sep 15 2003, 09:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:12 PM
But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.


Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:
Did I misstype?[/b][/quote]
Oh ok then... you're obviously delusional.

Glad we got that sorted out.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Sep 15 2003, 09:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Sep 15 2003, 09:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by -Joe Sixpack@Sep 15 2003, 09:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:12 PM
But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.


Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:
Did I misstype?
Oh ok then... you're obviously delusional.

Glad we got that sorted out.[/b][/quote]


Being labeled dilusional by you is a good thing! thanks!

:okthumb:

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:48 PM
Being labeled dilusional by you is a good thing! thanks!

:okthumb:
Just to amuse myself.... in this delusional world that you live in, who did start the recent war against Iraq?

The fairies from the bottom of the garden?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Sep 15 2003, 09:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Sep 15 2003, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:48 PM
Being labeled dilusional by you is a good thing! thanks!

:okthumb:
Just to amuse myself.... in this delusional world that you live in, who did start the recent war against Iraq?

The fairies from the bottom of the garden?[/b][/quote]
Iraq is not a war, it is a battle in a bigger war.

The war began in the 80s when the US was repeatedly attacked by terrorists through out the world. The Marine Barracks in Beruit, our Embassy, the first attack on twin towers, Somolia, Cole, etc....

Finally after 9-11 we have recognized that we are in a war, and we have finally joined the battle. First in Afganistan, then in Iraq.... who is next? Syria? Iran?

This is a war that will last our lifetime, it will consist of many low intensity conflicts through out the world. Most of the stuff battles going on we will not even know about.

[PornoDoggy]

Mikey ... when U.S. foreign policy is being conducted in a manner detrimental to the interests of our country, then it's folly - if not unpatriotic - to fail to criticize it.

Following a policy that is guaranteed to recruit a great many more converts to radical Islam is a necessary step when it produces results beneficial to our country - i.e., Afghanistan. The same cannot be said in Iraq.

You want to talk about war with alQaida? Fine - I'm down for that. But please don't try to tell me that's what the war with Iraq was over - because alQaida wasn't there until we made it possible for them to be there.

Oh, I know ... the proof of the connection between Iraq and alQaida is underneath the massive stockpiles of WMD that binLaden and Hussein are sitting on.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 10:11 PM
Mikey ... when U.S. foreign policy is being conducted in a manner detrimental to the interests of our country, then it's folly - if not unpatriotic - to fail to criticize it.

Following a policy that is guaranteed to recruit a great many more converts to radical Islam is a necessary step when it produces results beneficial to our country - i.e., Afghanistan. The same cannot be said in Iraq.

You want to talk about war with alQaida? Fine - I'm down for that. But please don't try to tell me that's what the war with Iraq was over - because alQaida wasn't there until we made it possible for them to be there.

Oh, I know ... the proof of the connection between Iraq and alQaida is underneath the massive stockpiles of WMD that binLaden and Hussein are sitting on.
PD you fail to see the big picture.

Iraq strategy had more to deal with over all stability and getting our troops ouf of Saudi Arabia....

Look for Colin's post on Power Politics in thread on Arafat. Maybe he can explain these concepts better then I can.

[PornoDoggy]

Mikey ... I don't think I fail to see anything at all. What you call the "big picture" I see as a fantasy consisting of smoke and mirrors.

If, as you say, the Iraqi incursion is about oil then we are marking a return to the policies of imperialism. Those policies failed. It is less likely that they will succeed now.

The appropriate lead-in to a statement like "Iraq strategy had more to deal with over all stability" was best made by that famous actor Herve Villacheze (as Tattoo in "Fantasy Island").

[[Labret]]

Uh oh, Joe6pack and Soul Rebel make an appearance. Its gonna be ugly.

I will argue till my fingers bleed that I am indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be.

My founding forefathers were not ass kissing sycophants who just towed the fucking party line. They were terrorists to the Crown.

If MikeAI and Buff would have been around in 1776, they woulda been on the British side, towing the party line much the way they do now. After all, talking bad about government puts you on the side of the enemy. Right Buffy?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 10:50 PM
I will argue till my fingers bleed that I am indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be.

My founding forefathers were not ass kissing sycophants who just towed the fucking party line. They were terrorists to the Crown.

This is America....

we don't give a fuck what your founding forefathers did.....

What have you done that is so patriotic ?

[[Labret]]

This is America....

we don't give a fuck what your founding forefathers did.....

What have you done that is so patriotic ?


Im not sure if you are clueless or just simply retarded. I am an American.

Define "patriotic".

By your statement I am assuming you feel that you have to prove your patriotism with visible deeds. As in you have to "do" something to prove you are a patriot.

I consume. I drive an SUV. I have a big flag decal on the back and a taz tattoo of him kickin bin ladens ass with an American flag. I yell at communist lefties on message boards, I listen to country music, love George Bush and Jesus Christ. I say the pledge of allegiance every day and have a ton of 9-11 commemorative plates. I love fireman and policemen and New Yorkers, as they are the true heros. I joined the military because it was easier than going to college, and I helped liberate Kuwait thus keeping Americans safe.

That your idea of a patriot goober?



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 08:09 PM

[PornoDoggy]

Oh, come on now. After all, talking bad about government puts you on the side of the enemy. That depends.

Talking bad about the government collecting taxes, or regulating business, or does not put you on the side of the enemy - it makes you a patriot.

Talking bad about the government's foreign policy (if a Republican is president) - now THAT puts you on the side of the enemy.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 11:08 PM
By your statement I am assuming you feel that you have to prove your patriotism with visible deeds. As in you have to "do" something to prove you are a patriot.

If you are going to claim that you are "indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be" then you better be able to back it up....

So, again, what have you done that makes you so Patriotic ??

and again, I don't give a fuck what your founding forefathers did....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 11:10 PM
Talking bad about the government collecting taxes, or regulating business, or does not put you on the side of the enemy - it makes you a patriot.

Talking bad about the government's foreign policy (if a Republican is president) - now THAT puts you on the side of the enemy.
actually according to the dictionary:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=patriot

Patriot: One who loves his country, and zealously supports its authority and interests. --

One who loves, supports, and defends one's country.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests


So PD, I know that you and I both fall into that category because of past actions.....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 11:08 PM
I joined the military because it was easier than going to college, and I helped liberate Kuwait thus keeping Americans safe.

That your idea of a patriot goober?
I believe the military part was added later..... or I missed it, if I did, sorry...

If it was edited in after I posted, then you're just an assfuck using GFY tactics...

and only total assfucks call me goober......

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 05:24 PM
Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.

Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.

As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.

Alex
you dont exactly spread a lot of sunshine yourself. i cant imagine what it must be like to wake up everyday knowing that you embody all the traits and behaviors that you yourself, despise in others. that has to be the mind fuck of all mind fucks.

i want you to know Alex that i love you. i want to help you. i want to help you let go of the self loathing. its time we got RawAlex to start loving himself instead of mocking and attacking himself and his behaviors in others.

give yourself a hug. a long, tight, loving hug. There, doesn't that feel nice? Now stand in front of the mirror and repeat to yourself ... "It's ok to be me. I like me." Now say in a more reassuring tone, "dammit, i like being me!"

now give yourself another hug.

don't let go until you feel you are ready. reassure yourself by letting yourself know that everything will be ok and that today, the first, largest and most painful hurdle was cleared. today, it became ok to be RawAlex. it feels good.

good. you did good. did that feel nice?

[RawAlex]

Mike, you see JR post. Now you know why I don't post here.

JR, one day I will be as perfect as you. You are the total and complete perfection. Perhaps if I study real hard, I will be equal to the guy who lives next to the guy who gets the honor of kissing your feet each morning. That would be an accomplishment beyond my wildest dreams.














Actually, on second though, JR, or pleasurepays, or pleasureyourself, or whoever the fuck you are, you are hereby invited to FUCK OFF AND DIE. Your are a useless piece of shit with nothing better to do that belittle others, and you add nothing to any of the discussions here. You are a waste of pixels. Please fuck off.








Mike, now you know why I don't post here. Why bother?







Alex

[Buff]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 07:24 PM
Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.

Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.

As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.

Alex
Alex: Did you know that I have never danced in the streets to celebrate anyone's death, not even Hussein's sons' deaths? I don't celebrate when IDF troops exterminate Palestinian murderers. Hatred? Me?

It's not hatred. It's self defense. The only time I ever attacked any Muslims was to defend other Muslims in the first Gulf War. That's right, I put my life on the line to protect Muslims. Seems to me that I've earned the right to state my opinions about their religion.

And, of course, I invite you to prove to me that all the polls which say over 50% of Muslims worldwide approved of the 9/11 attacks were somehow mistaken.

In summation, I don't hate these people -- I just want to protect myself from them, because they threaten my way of life.

And as for how I make my living, I would be lying if I said it doesn't irk me that YOU somehow consider yourself to be in a position to pass judgement on my intellectual capabilities -- cuz you're not.



Last edited by Buff at Sep 16 2003, 12:04 AM

[Buff]

Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 09:50 PM
Uh oh, Joe6pack and Soul Rebel make an appearance. Its gonna be ugly.

I will argue till my fingers bleed that I am indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be.

My founding forefathers were not ass kissing sycophants who just towed the fucking party line. They were terrorists to the Crown.

If MikeAI and Buff would have been around in 1776, they woulda been on the British side, towing the party line much the way they do now. After all, talking bad about government puts you on the side of the enemy. Right Buffy?
You dumb fucking git, you don't know dick about the founding fathers. You would have been one of the cowards who said, "But it's only a small tax -- we don't want war with England."

Go fuck yourself, you trick ass bitch.

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 09:50 PM
Actually, on second though, JR, or pleasurepays, or pleasureyourself, or whoever the fuck you are, you are hereby invited to FUCK OFF AND DIE. Your are a useless piece of shit with nothing better to do that belittle others, and you add nothing to any of the discussions here. You are a waste of pixels. Please fuck off.


Alex, why are you so bitter? i dont agree with you.. but it would be hard to go totally over the edge like you tend to.

i used to have a lot of hatred towards my father. i wanted him dead when i was in my teens. one day i realized that the hatred was hurting me and no one else. that was the moment i just let it all go. it was one of the few defining moments in my life.

its time to let go Alex. dont hate.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack+Sep 15 2003, 09:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Joe Sixpack @ Sep 15 2003, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:12 PM
But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.


Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:[/b][/quote]
How can one take the position that the Americans are wrong to think there is a simple linear cause and effect with Islamic terrorism as the cause and American military action as effect and replace it with the belief that there is a simple linear cause and effect in which the Americans are causing terrorism against America.

Do you want to be a moron of type A or type B? They're both the same.

The kind of person you hate is in the mirror.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 10:38 PM
If, as you say, the Iraqi incursion is about oil then we are marking a return to the policies of imperialism. Those policies failed. It is less likely that they will succeed now.
Did the US take a break from imperialism or something? I must have missed that. When did this happen?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Buff@Sep 16 2003, 12:58 AM
Did you know that I have never danced in the streets to celebrate anyone's death, not even Hussein's sons' deaths?
You guys are soft. I did. I wish we'd keep a body count like in Vietnam. What's the score?

Potential Future Muslim terrorists: 39,880
Dead Iraqi tanks: 5550
American soldiers: 292

[Almighty Colin]

Let me ask a serious question ;-)

A popular defense of Islam as a whole right now is to not confuse the minority with the majority. Of course, it is always the minority that actually goes off into battle while those at home just pump their fists in the air.

In the absence of state actors, how does one define "the enemy"? This is the same issue that Israel has not been able to solve. A few months ago, Israel agreed to a cease-fire with Hamas and the usual other terrorist baddies. But someone, whether of those groups or independently, decided to blow themselves up an Israeli bus. From Israel's point of view, what would have been the best response? What could they do to best achieve the outcome they wish for? I ask this not as a defense of Israel but rather as the question of how a state should act vs. a non-state entity.

In war, the majority is always defined by the minority. Only a small percentage of the pop goes to the battlefield. In that situation though there is an identifiable state leader.

Whether rightly or wrongly, Islamic terrorism is being used for political gain - or rather, to alter the political structure of the world. How should "the west" handle this?



Last edited by Colin at Sep 16 2003, 05:00 AM

[wig]

Originally posted by JR@Sep 16 2003, 01:07 AM
i used to have a lot of hatred towards my father. i wanted him dead when i was in my teens.
Ah... I should have figured your position on guns to be related to some psychological scar with your brown bear guide Dad. Is that why you became a black belt, too?

Hate the player, not the game! :ph34r:

[JR]

Originally posted by wig+Sep 16 2003, 03:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Sep 16 2003, 03:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Sep 16 2003, 01:07 AM
i used to have a lot of hatred towards my father. i wanted him dead when i was in my teens.
Ah... I should have figured your position on guns to be related to some psychological scar with your brown bear guide Dad. Is that why you became a black belt, too?

Hate the player, not the game! :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
hehe.. i guess if you can't win the flimsy 2nd Amendment "our forefathers promised me a gun" argument, then.....

actually i had a lot of guns. killed a lot of shit in my life. i used to fire between 10,000 and 20,000 rounds per summer with my Mini-14's shooting seals that were picking salmon from our fishing nets. i converted one to full auto which is horribly easy. i have killed tons of seals, sea lions... shot a few moose, killed a brown bear, deer, tons of black bear, mountain goats, dall sheep, carribou etc etc etc. in the end, i just felt stupid for it all. just a personal issue i guess. i regretted it all.

one day it just seemed like shooting things was a silly thing to do. i guess i matured. nothing about trauma or anything... more just dissapointment in watching groups of grown men fly around the world, paying often 10's of thousands of dollars to shoot something just to hang a chunk of it on the wall. i dont mind killing anything i am going to eat. I think its absurd to pay $8,000.00 to a guide and to fly to Montana to chase a buffalo across the plains in a new Ford Bronco until it almost dies from exhaustion and then shoot it in the head with a .340 magnum just to tell people you have a head mount that is 3rd in Boon and Crocket as my father did.

which by the way, it makes for a pretty stupid head mount. its somewhat like bolting a dining room table to the wall on its end and painting it black.

i have seen too many trophy rooms in my life. it just seems sensless. i have seen too many tiger skins... too many full mounted lions... too many zebra rugs... too many elephant foot stools... too many sets of walrus tusks... too many Giraffe heads... too many brown bear rugs and too morons bragging about their "Big 5" hunting trips.

i think that if a person is not worried about self defense and not worried about the NWO and not worried about "The Feds" taking over as The National Rifleman would have you believe is going to happen any minute... then there is no reason to have a gun. i realized i did not have a reason to have a gun. if i felt i needed one for self defense, i would probably go buy another pistol and apply for a concealed weapons permit.

karate had a lot to do with growing up in alaska surrounded by socially retarded weirdos hiding from the feds at the end of a dirt road. i started boxing but really got tired of getting hit. that seemed silly too. getting hit really hard... really often is a shitty skill to learn.



Last edited by JR at Sep 16 2003, 06:45 AM