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JR
08-22-2003, 08:31 AM
i think she will too. i thought she would from day they left the White House. (http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=1421&af_id=219)

JR
08-22-2003, 08:32 AM
Hillary’s Scheme lays out the shocking evidence and confirms the worst fear of millions of Americans: Hillary plans a grand political coup – one that will put her and her disgraced husband back into the Oval Office.

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Limbacher is a top editor at NewsMax.com and has broken story after story on the Clintons. You’ve seen him on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC.

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New Hillary Revelations

In Hillary’s Scheme Limbacher makes dozens of new revelations:

Why Hillary is running in 2004, and not 2008
Hillary’s behind-the-scenes effort to torpedo Al Gore that forced him to withdraw from the 2004 race
Hillary’s use of secret investigators to dig up dirt and smear her opponents
The critical mistake the Bush White House made, paving the way for Hillary’s presidential quest
A top Hillary aide reveals her private side and her frequent violent rages
the late Barbara Olson’s discovery that Hillary, and not Bill, took care of "the dirty stuff."
Dick Morris’ shocking revelation of an anti-Semitic slur Hillary made to him
Hillary’s never-before-revealed explanation she made directly to Limbacher about her husband’s failure to extradite bin Laden.
New details about her husband’s sex scandals – scandals that gave her tremendous power and made her a de facto president
Where the millions of dollars she is raising is really going?
And much, much more.

In this book you’ll find out how Hillary has lied about her intentions before (once saying she would never run for the Senate), and how she has, inch-by-inch changed her story about running in 2004.

Winetalk.com
08-22-2003, 08:34 AM
JR,
as long as Todd likes her, I say we are in her good hands...
;-)))

JR
08-22-2003, 08:36 AM
Todd would like a swarm of angry hornets if he thought they were liberal hornets
:)

Winetalk.com
08-22-2003, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by JR@Aug 22 2003, 07:44 AM
Todd would like a swarm of angry hornets if he thought they were liberal hornets
:)
hahahahahahaha
;_)))

JFK
08-22-2003, 09:25 AM
I dont think she could do any worse. than the so called current President ! :rokk:

Vick
08-22-2003, 09:43 AM
President Hillary
Why do those 2 words scare me?

JFK - what do you mean "so called current President"?

bpj
08-22-2003, 09:54 AM
Brings to mind one of Hitlary's infamous quotes....

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." -- Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents. :blink:

Trev
08-22-2003, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by bpj@Aug 22 2003, 03:02 PM
Brings to mind one of Hitlary's infamous quotes....

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." -- Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents. :blink:
I was just about to say that she's been president once I think she'll do great a second time as well ;-))

PornoDoggy
08-22-2003, 11:35 AM
Ohboyohboyohboy ... we get to rehash all of Whitewater, filegate and the other contrived claptrap AND focus in on lies like "she said she wouldn't run for the Senate AND THEN SHE DID!!!!"

If we strung up every fucking congressperson and senator who was guilty of that you'd have a congress that GW would love - all six members.

JFK
08-22-2003, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Vick@Aug 22 2003, 05:51 AM
President Hillary
Why do those 2 words scare me?

JFK - what do you mean "so called current President"?
Vick, I just dont really care for the Man, or his policies. I know.... I am a Canadian and should shut the fuck up .......... :biglaugh:

wig
08-22-2003, 11:40 AM
I get shit from the libs everytime I say this, but Hillary is the fast track to socialism.

She believes in groups and not individuals, and at the core that is where she is wrong, wrong. wrong.

Cradle to grave Federal Gov't solutions is where she would take us. I think she is the most dangerous politician in America today!

Vick
08-22-2003, 11:52 AM
JFK - that's fine if you don't care for President Bush or current US policies

I still have a problem when the "selected" President bit gets started
President Bush won the popular vote (which doesn't mean a thing) and the Electoral College vote (which is what counts)

Mike AI
08-22-2003, 11:53 AM
Wig you are exactly right....

The Clintons are the most manipulative people to ever serve as co-presidents. I cannot imagine the damage they would do to this country if Hillary was President.

Some sort of effort by Clinton to become President again would lead to a major show down and possibly a civil war.... I know I would not stand for it. One good thing about us crazed "right wingers" is we have all the guns!


:D

JFK why is it that Canadiens love to bash Bush? You never see Americans posting about the prime minister of Canada - he is probably less well known the the Sec. General of the UN - and has about as much power to boot!

Once Canada accomplishes something, has a top 10 economy, or discovers a lot of oil we can come take, you guys should just sit around and mull the reprocussions of staying under British rule for so long.... bunch of pussys!*




*TO all my Canadien friends out there, please enjoy the humour - it is a funny rant, ment to be taken as such!

JFK
08-22-2003, 12:15 PM
Mike, please do me a favour and Bash our Prime Minister as much as you want. The Idiot is way past his prrime, running the country into the ground, and dosent have the sense to retire NOW. And yes, we do like to keep our accomplishments to our selfes, for that exact reason :agrin: We are neigbours and when the US sneezes, we catch a cold.So perhaps that is the reason you see frequent criticism of US policies from Some quarters. :salute:

wig
08-22-2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 22 2003, 11:01 AM
Wig you are exactly right....

The Clintons are the most manipulative people to ever serve as co-presidents. I cannot imagine the damage they would do to this country if Hillary was President.

Some sort of effort by Clinton to become President again would lead to a major show down and possibly a civil war.... I know I would not stand for it. One good thing about us crazed "right wingers" is we have all the guns!

Mike, I am sure you would agree that the majority of politicians are manipulative and it transcends party lines.

I don't think President Hillary would lead to a civil war, but she might get assasinated. LOL

I believe the next "civil war" will be a war of information that leads to the disolution of power at the gov't level. It is probably in its infancy right now thanks to the Internet!

I see gov'ts (globably and domestically) having to compete against each other for population (read productive ppl) and business in a greater way than ever before. It is the scrambling of certain politicians to hold onto unchecked power rather than be competitive that i think is the dangereous part going forward.

Of course, if it came to guns, I know you and I would be ready! :salute:

Vick
08-22-2003, 12:22 PM
President Hillary is incredibly scary as a lame duck president
Look at all the stuff Bill did in his last days as Pres

and I don't like saying it but President Hillary could ba a candidate to be assassinated

Mike AI
08-22-2003, 12:27 PM
JFK you are very right..... the US is so large and powerful that our policies effect the world.

WIG I think you are a much deeper thinker then I am. I am pretty narrow minded when it comes to these things.... I see things in a direct line... I probably should work on that.

Oh and I know all politicans are a bunch of liars and thieves!! I wish we could get back to a point in our country where being a politican was a duty that people felt compelled to do for a few years then go back to being a farmer.

ulfie
08-22-2003, 12:27 PM
I think my thoughts on Hillary can be summed up by the fact that I used to own fuckhillaryclinton.com. I had a sex toy store on it that cough*Todd*cough made me take down. ;)

Mike, Canada has a ton of oil. I think they are on of our top sources of oil. Time to annex them. :P

Vick
08-22-2003, 12:30 PM
Let's kick California out of the union and make Canada the 50th state
I really like that idea
Let California be it's own country, add Canada as a state

wig
08-22-2003, 12:40 PM
Vick ;-))

I think that California could serve as an prime guide as to what happens when you get to much gov't -- especially the socialist type gov't that permeates California.

Cali is a classic illustration of what I said before about gov't having to learn to compete for business and productive ppl or lose them!

sextoyking
08-22-2003, 01:32 PM
Jr,

Jeese I went to the right wing republican site, just another Ann Coulter love fest there.

Dick Morris, while I think he is a political genius, I also think he is a political tratior :)

Good points, was watching a cool show on cspan last night. Former Senator and Congressman and 2 others that are saying this recall in Cal. really means something and there groups and thought process are that mabey it's time for more "real democracy" not just rep. goverment, but actual national voted on referedrums (sp), etc, etc. Was quite interesting.


Hillary would be no worse and mabey a little better then presidents of our past. As you all know, no bills, tax increases, etc goes through without congressional approval. We have had men for over 200 years in office, I say it's time for a women!!!

Vote Hillary 2008

peace and love

Vick
08-22-2003, 01:38 PM
Todd I think well of you but

Women shouldn't be in the office of President of the United States

Women are more nurturing/caring then men and are better suited to other more important jobs/careers than President

sextoyking
08-22-2003, 01:43 PM
Vick,

I think well of you too. And sometimes I gotta agree, who the fuck male or female would want to be president. I mean Power is cool and helping the country, etc is great.

But to be watched 24/7 on every little thing you do by reporters, no life for 4-8 years, wouldn't be me..

Vick
08-22-2003, 01:52 PM
with you on that Todd,
seems in the last few elections we've been chosing the lesser of the evils as opposed to who was best for the job :scans:

Bishop-Ken
08-22-2003, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Aug 22 2003, 10:00 AM
seems in the last few elections we've been chosing the lesser of the evils as opposed to who was best for the job

If Hillary runs the lesser of two evils would be anyone who ran against her.. I would vote for Gary Coleman first.

ulfie
08-22-2003, 01:59 PM
I think it goes back to Vick's assertion that anyone that wants to be President is inherently unqualified for the job. Would Bill Gates ever run for President and take a few billion dollar pay cut? I doubt it. While I do like George Bush but don't agree with him on a lot of things he didn't have a stellar record as a businessman. We had a beloved Senator here named John Heinz. Yes, he was part of the Heinz family that owns the ketchup company and a hundred others. I read a great story about how he was working in the family business but was so incompetent they talked him into going into politics just to get rid of him.

PornoDoggy
08-22-2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Aug 22 2003, 12:46 PM
Todd I think well of you but

Women shouldn't be in the office of President of the United States

Women are more nurturing/caring then men and are better suited to other more important jobs/careers than President
God also did not intent for man to fly, break the sound barrier, and go into space.

wig
08-22-2003, 03:23 PM
God didn't intend for a man to stick his dick in another man, but I'm sure you suport that. :zoinks:

PornoDoggy
08-22-2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by wig@Aug 22 2003, 02:31 PM
God didn't intend for a man to stick his dick in another man, but I'm sure you suport that. :zoinks:
1. I am not presumptious enough to claim knowledge of what [YOUR DIETY HERE] intended.

2. I tend to regard anyone who does claim such knowledge with a great deal of skepticism, as there are way too many of them making way too many (usually contradictory) claims.

3. I neither support nor oppose the rights of anyone to stick their dick (either the one that [YOUR DIETY HERE] did or did not give them, or the one they purchased from Todd :D) into anything or anyone of legal age and capacity to consent. It ain't nobody's bidnez but their own.

JR
08-22-2003, 04:19 PM
i agree that whoever is seeking to be President is inherently the wrong person for the job.

it does not leave many choices though.

i would not feel comfortable if Hillary was President. most politicians do because thats their job. i think she completely lacks any reasonable degree of sincerity or integrity. but also, i dont really think that the President has the power that people seem to think he does when it comes to policy. we have a very well thought out system of checks and balances in our government that has worked quite well since day one... and i expect that it would continue to work well even if Hillary were President.

there are a couple Democrats i would vote for. i would probably not vote for Bush unless we were attacked again around election time. regardless of political idealogies, i think its time to mend a few fences around the world now that we slapped a few bad guys around and blew some shit up. the economy is no longer an issue.

wig
08-22-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Aug 22 2003, 02:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Aug 22 2003, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--wig@Aug 22 2003, 02:31 PM
God didn't intend for a man to stick his dick in another man, but I'm sure you suport that. :zoinks:
1. I am not presumptious enough to claim knowledge of what [YOUR DIETY HERE] intended.

2. I tend to regard anyone who does claim such knowledge with a great deal of skepticism, as there are way too many of them making way too many (usually contradictory) claims.

3. I neither support nor oppose the rights of anyone to stick their dick (either the one that [YOUR DIETY HERE] did or did not give them, or the one they purchased from Todd :D) into anything or anyone of legal age and capacity to consent. It ain't nobody's bidnez but their own.[/b][/quote]
Hey, you started it... so apply this post to yourself.

With your surreptitious sentences, I'm sure you could post back and forth with yourself until Christmas. :biglaugh:

PornoDoggy
08-22-2003, 06:03 PM
Um ... yes, I made reference to certain claims made about the will of God in response to something Vic said.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm

wig
08-22-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 22 2003, 05:11 PM
Um ... yes, I made reference to certain claims made about the will of God in response to something Vic said.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm
Uh... yeah, okay. I guess i missed where Vick said anything that had to do with God.

Please go back and try:

[URL=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reaching for shit[/URL]



Last edited by wig at Aug 22 2003, 08:18 PM

PornoDoggy
08-22-2003, 09:37 PM
I know that Vic didn't say anything about God.

Vic made a statement I thought comprable to the "pronouncements" that I listed.

This might help ... Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: The Evelyn Wood Seven-Day Speed Reading and Comprehension... (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566194024?v=glance&vi=customer-reviews)

Hell Puppy
08-23-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by wig@Aug 22 2003, 10:48 AM
I get shit from the libs everytime I say this, but Hillary is the fast track to socialism.

She believes in groups and not individuals, and at the core that is where she is wrong, wrong. wrong.

Cradle to grave Federal Gov't solutions is where she would take us. I think she is the most dangerous politician in America today!
You nailed it. And this is why she scares the hell out of me. She very much believes anything important should be in the hands of the government not the people.

There are many quotes out there from her where she says people in this country need to quit thinking about themselves and work for the greater good. And there are far too many people in this country that are too narrowminded to realize this means giving up even more individualism and personal freedoms....along with a greater chunk of your hard earned money to pay for an even larger government.

I fear socialized health care is inevitable at this point. The baby boomers are aging, insurance and health care costs are out of control. Even the current working generation is getting a taste of how nasty it is not to have employer benefits with high unemployment rates and more of them being unemployed for long stretchs. Their opinions on socialized health care are being swayed.

If Hillary is elected, I would predict that is one of the first things she'd push thru. And the timing is such that it just might make her as popular as FDR's "New Deal" made him in the 30's for many of the same reasons. The masses like it when the government gives them stuff. It's that top 10% of the earners out there that really pick up the tab. Meanwhile if you keep that bottom 50% happy you'll be re-elected.

And I fear healthcare would only be the beginning.... :unsure:

JR
08-23-2003, 03:00 AM
If Hillary is elected, I would predict that is one of the first things she'd push thru. And the timing is such that it just might make her as popular as FDR's "New Deal" made him in the 30's for many of the same reasons. The masses like it when the government gives them stuff. It's that top 10% of the earners out there that really pick up the tab. Meanwhile if you keep that bottom 50% happy you'll be re-elected.

this was exactly Mrs Bill Clintons whole platform when he ran the first time. it was not popular with very many people at all. in fact, their agenda shifted to the Republican agenda very quickly when the Republicans took the House and Senate and came up with thier so called "contract with america" promising a balanced budget and other things. Suddenly every priority that was a republican priority became clintons priority and they quickly abandoned the idea of national health care when it became clear it was going nowhere.

So no matter what, as politicians, they are bound by constraints that force them to do the popular thing. "Cradle to Grave" healthcare as Mr Hillary put it, was pretty unpopular.

i really doubt that it could ever happen. there is simply no relevent example on the planet today to prove it could work in the US. there are more arguements against it,... not just the quality of service, wait times etc... but the enevitable taxes that have to come with it to pay for every 14 year old girl with split ends or a broken fingernail to go to the emergency room.

PornoDoggy
08-23-2003, 01:29 PM
IF and when a Universal Health coverage bill is passed, I guarantee you one thing -

the oppressed, long-suffering upper 10% of the income bracket will ensure that they find a way to get a piece of it.