do you miss Oprano reviews by Dravyks "team"?

[Winetalk.com]

do you miss Dravyk?

[Forest]

what is a dravyk?

new drink?

Kinda like a Cosmo?

[Mike AI]

Who?

[sextoyking]

Drav is cool and another old timer :)

[cj]

I miss dravyk

he's a sweet, decent guy
not enough like him around

[ulfie]

I ran into Dravyk in FL a few times and we both have the same disease. We're too damn nice to be in this business. Not sure what your problem with him is Serge, well I lied, I do know, but this is making a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion.

And no, I don't miss the reviews either because I read the boards so I don't need a recap.

[confucy]

Yeah, I miss Dravyk. I miss Dig, ScottPB (don't tell him), Charles Carreon, Robin (didn't have time to get to know him), the fishman who swears he is Cohen's friend), and sometimes I miss the old un-threaded board.

Have you found a replacement for Robin? Mutt, are you coming back? :rokk:

[Timon]

The Oprano reviews weren't overly interesting IMHO but Dravyk is cool ;-)

[slavdogg]

Dravyk is a good guy
always good to see him at the conventions

he should stop by and post here more often

[slavdogg]

forgot to say

he's the only person i've been confused with, or he was confused with me
or maybe it was just Dig that would confuse us

[photogregg]

Yep Dravyk and Electra are hard-working good folks...we always meet up at conventions.

[Timon]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Aug 18 2003, 01:21 AM
he's the only person i've been confused with, or he was confused with me
or maybe it was just Dig that would confuse us
ok.... now I'M confused! :-/

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by photogregg@Aug 18 2003, 05:49 AM
Yep Dravyk and Electra are hard-working good folks...we always meet up at conventions.
yeah-yeah-yeah,
but
1) does Electra post on Oprano?

2) does Electra do anything for Oprano?

3) "good person" is not a profession....it's more like a "hobby" and I am not much into hobbies.

this is what happens behind the curtains:

Electra made her bed with Netpond, when Netpond was #1 and this si where her loyalties are. In today's realities, GFY is #1 and they can't give a flying fuck about Electra.

I still don't know what Dravyk's position in the company and what is his input in policy making, thus it's hard for me to take him serious from the business point of view...I am not that good at dealing with second fiddles.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by confucy@Aug 17 2003, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I miss Dravyk. I miss Dig, ScottPB (don't tell him), Charles Carreon, Robin (didn't have time to get to know him), the fishman who swears he is Cohen's friend), and sometimes I miss the old un-threaded board.

Have you found a replacement for Robin? Mutt, are you coming back? :rokk:
Dig is lickin' his wounds after Voodoo left him,
ScottPB is in bed with a terrible flue,
Charles Carreon is scratching his balls why he didn't accepts Gary's first offer,
Robin is inventing things,
and JackBrownfield is indisposed, it's a peak of shrimp season in Mexico,

Cohen calls Gary everyday and talks to him about the "goodness of Gary's heart",
I won't be surprised if he talks him into subletting him the guest house one of those days,
and confucy is a Raging Hit on GFY!
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.p...threadid=165207 (http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165207)
;-)))
;-))

[Sharpie]

Dravyk and Electra are both good people - doesn't make any difference where they do or do not post. :inlove: or what convention they do or do not go to.

[dantheman]

I like them both, good folks :)

[Winetalk.com]

please define "Good People" and how they helped your business...

there are LOTS of good people around, so?

http://cotac.com/Norway/everybody-welcomed.JPG

[dantheman]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 09:07 AM
please define "Good People" and how they helped your business...

there are LOTS of good people around, so?

http://cotac.com/Norway/everybody-welcomed.JPG
I only see 1 good person that's around in that photo, the rest are NOT around any longer :P

[Winetalk.com]

Bullshit, Dan.

THOSE people helped me and my business 100 times more than Drav and Electra.

do you know that theur average life span was ...90 years?

they ate LOTS of fish,
THAT was useful information I can take to my grave...and what the other 2 did for me? you? universe as a whole?

c'mon,
put your critical thinking cap on, it ain't that hard

[Mike AI]

I will say it.

Drav is a weenie. He has always been a weenie, and will always be a weenie. He is a fence sitter, and an ass kisser. Could this be because of his job? Maybe. But regardless, I have no respect for people who cannot stand up for the things they beleive. ( It is even worse if they do not have anything they beleive in)

Electra, I have seen her around - but never spoke with her, and I never paid attetnion to her posts.

I have some other opinions, but they are not relevant at this time.

As far as letting them back. I do not care one way or the other. For the most part I am against banning anyone, but I support my partner - and if they crossed a line with him, I support Serge 100%.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 10:17 AM
THOSE people helped me and my business 100 times more than Drav and Electra.
(I am about to spout blasphemy.....)

There ARE more important things than business to me, and Drav and Electra are good, smart, folks. :)

Off topic, Serge - I watched the "Blue", "White" and "Red" trilogy this weekend - if you and LL haven't seen it, it gets a big thumbs up from me! :okthumb:

[Mike AI]

Peaches there are things more important then Business. However, this is a business situation, so things must be evaluated in that light.

[Winetalk.com]

back 2 topic..

and how those "smart and blah" people helped you personally Peaches?

tell me about good and thoughtfull advice you personally got from either of them...

share the joy!

I think that people who rub other people's back just for a sake of it,
are basically insecure...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 10:31 AM
tell me about good and thoughtfull advice you personally got from either of them...

I have a LOT of friends who've never once given me an ounce of advice personal or businesswise. :) Some I've known all my life (well, a few have said "Dump him - he's a bum!" so I guess that would count as advice :P )!

Peaches there are things more important then Business. However, this is a business situation, so things must be evaluated in that light.

I agree 100%. But since I've personally never dealt with them in a business situation, I have to base things on a personal basis. :awinky:

I was just putting my 2 cents (5 cents if you include the movie review. B) )

Now I have to go take pictures of my poor little beat up truck - feel some pity for me. :cryin:

[Winetalk.com]

Peaches, when you get back, would you please define "Friend"

what the difference between your friends and your associayes?

what is the difference between your friends, associates and aquitances?

My English is bad, would you please enlighten me? anybody?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 10:49 AM
Peaches, when you get back, would you please define "Friend"

what the difference between your friends and your associayes?

what is the difference between your friends, associates and aquitances?

My English is bad, would you please enlighten me? anybody?
I was looking at Vooman's yard pictures, so I'm still here :awinky:

In my life, there are varying levels of friends. Acquaintances are those that I've met, but haven't really talked to at any great length. HOPEFULLY those acquaintances become friends later. Like Lisa with PMB. We've met before, but never chatted. We spent some time together in FL and now I consider her a GOOD friend. :)

When I was in the corporate world there were people I considered "friends", but not GOOD friends, i.e. I'd never spend time with them outside the office, but they were still more than acquaintances. I still DO spend time with people I've worked with over the years - they are GOOD or even BEST friends.

Then there are BESTEST friends :P These are people I've known almost my entire life and they know everything there is to know about me - probably more than they want to know :lol: These are people I know I could contact for help no matter what - and they know they could call me. Need some $$$? Not a problem. Need a kidney? I'm there. Need to me to kill your ex....well, I won't answer that one, hehehe.

Then there are OLD friends which are those I used to have a close relationship with, but through the years, we've become further apart :(

So:

Acquaintance
friend
good friend
best friend
bestest friend
old friend

And there are even some people that are a combination of these, lol!

I also don't dislike anyone based on what they've done BUSINESSWISE to any level of my friends. But do something to them on a PERSONAL level and I'm not very nice.

Confused? I am!! :unsure: But you made me think and I like that!

[dantheman]

serge, to answer the main question you posted. Not really because I dont read any reviews at all.

have they helped in my biz? ummm, no direct impact to my biz, but I've spent some time with them and enjoy their thoughts on some things. I classify them as friends. I even gave them t-shirts:)



[QUOTE]c'mon,
put your critical thinking cap on, it ain't that hard [QUOTE] not this morning, I'm dealing with a mild hangover :P

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Peaches@Aug 18 2003, 10:02 AM
But you made me think and I like that!
"It's not a job, it's an adventure"
;-))

..and this si what I do all day long
;-)))

[kath]

Personally - I don't have time to read reviews any more than I have time to read every single board out there. But I do know that a lot of people do. I have a few boards that I post on for business - and a few that I post on just because I like to. I enjoy going to those boards. Oprano is a nice work-and-pleasure type hybrid that I read/post on every chance I get, but I think that having Oprano listed would be helpful to others whose schedules don't allow that type of reading/posting freedom.

As far as tools that I use - the Board Scanner program that AllofEm puts out is very helpful IMHO. There's also another similar program that I've used in the past as well. I like how it emails me on keywords searched for on a HUGE number of boards - boards that I might not ever get around to reading/posting on otherwise, but boards where people are asking questions about things that I should be involved in. I have gotten NEW business and have been able to give webmasters support BECAUSE of this service.

So I guess for some it's about time constraints. You're right Serge, it's not about friends or aquaintances - I absolutely adore both Electra & Dravyk - but I sincerely think that their collected works do contribute to the industry. If there's a tool out there that can save me time - whether it's 10 minutes or an hour or two - I consider that DOING SOMETHING for me.

After all - time IS money and a wise man once told me - back in my newbie days - to work smarter, not harder. :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by kath@Aug 18 2003, 10:42 AM


After all - time IS money and a wise man once told me - back in my newbie days - to work smarter, not harder. :awinky:
..and how exactly have you fullfilled such a greta advice?

care to share some results???

I shared wisdom with my children:
"Wash your hands before you eat"

resu- they don't have stomach aches, ever.

what are YOUR end results?

I love meaningless general advices nobody cares to follow in life but they look good in quotations.....

[Winetalk.com]

Kath,
I'll sum it up and make it easier for you:
show me the money this advice have made you....

[Winetalk.com]

...and this si why I am against mindless back patting,
bunch of blah-blah-blah with no results to show for,
say NO to complacency!

those who follow this great advice,
please post your financial results 3 months from now
;_)))

[kath]

Serge - YOU gave me this advice years ago.

Unfortunately I didn't take said advice until recently when I broke free from my former position/alliances. I am making double what I made back when I worked harder - those 18 hour days were killing me. Now I am working smarter, have more $$$ and have more time to spend with my family.

Sure I am not the 'Net millionaire that everyone hopes to be - but I have found a higher success level that is making me $ and is making me happy.

This is after 9 months of changing my plan. Who knows where I could be another 9 months from now?

And YES... it was "meaningless advice" to me for many years. It took awhile, but it finally made sense. I had an epiphany thanks to you Serge whether you want to take credit for it or not. :D

Apparently you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. :yowsa:

[Winetalk.com]

Who knows where I could be another 9 months from now?
************************************************** ***

if you give birth 9 months from now-
I don't want any credits,
it's NOT what I meant
;-)))


My advices are like verses from Torah, they are OPEN to interpretations
;-)))

[kath]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 08:00 AM
Who knows where I could be another 9 months from now?
************************************************** ***

if you give birth 9 months from now-
I don't want any credits,
it's NOT what I meant
;-)))


My advices are like verses from Torah, they are OPEN to interpretations
;-)))
Agreed - I won't give credit OR blame. :zoinks:

But you are correct... and like verses from Torah, they sometime plant a seed but it can take years for understanding to bloom - and even longer sometimes for action to be taken.

Fortunately it didn't take me more than 5 to finally figure it out. Doh! :rolleyes:

[Vick]

Have read through this thread and see the course it has taken and ...

I too have benefited from Serge's advice over the years and like to add that I hope those (who like me) have benefited from Serge's advice remember that and try to return something in kind weather it is (something as small as) support or feedback and ideas or stimulus to ideas

For example look at MikeAI's post in this thread - that gets a lot of respect and admiration from me, support of your partner ......

[cj]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 09:31 AM
back 2 topic..

and how those "smart and blah" people helped you personally Peaches?

tell me about good and thoughtfull advice you personally got from either of them...

share the joy!

I think that people who rub other people's back just for a sake of it,
are basically insecure...
Quite simply ...

the world needs garbage collectors, waitresses and general shit kickers more than it needs any more leaders.

every person's place in this world is useful to me, even if for no other reason than I don't have to collect my own garbage.

IMHO anyone who takes care of things that bore me is automatically helping me and hopefully the things i do in return are as useful for someone else.

the 'dravyks' of the world are just as important as the 'serges', because if they didn't exist, the 'serges' would be very busy hunting for food :okthumb:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Aug 18 2003, 06:43 PM
Have read through this thread and see the course it has taken and ...

I too have benefited from Serge's advice over the years and like to add that I hope those (who like me) have benefited from Serge's advice remember that and try to return something in kind weather it is (something as small as) support or feedback and ideas or stimulus to ideas

For example look at MikeAI's post in this thread - that gets a lot of respect and admiration from me, support of your partner ......
I in no way shape or form meant to demean Serge by supporting Dravyk and Electra. :(

Apparently there's more to the story than I'm aware of..... :unsure:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Peaches@Aug 18 2003, 06:11 PM
Apparently there's more to the story than I'm aware of..... :unsure:
Pretty much what I was thinking..... :blink:

[Vick]

Peaches - that wasn't the intent of my post

Occasionally you can support someone by showing them a different point of view than their own

am I am totally off the subject of this thread
:yowsa:



Last edited by Vick at Aug 18 2003, 07:13 PM

[PornoDoggy]

This whole thing seems like a pretty simple straightforward dispute between a couple of resource sites over the normal thing that resource sites get into disputes about.

Now, if I was a smartass I would say that about only "more to the story" that isn't being shown might be the egos of the parties involved. Of course, I'm not a smartass - I'm a demacommy. :D

I work for Dravyk and Electra, who operate Dirty Gloves & All of Em just like Mike and Serge operate Oprano - as partners. I support my employers, just like Mike supports his partner.

I am glad to read that the resident board lyricist wasn't in fact invoking Devo; me personally, I'm thinking along more classical lines.

Perhaps Shakespeare.

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 18 2003, 07:36 PM


Perhaps Shakespeare.

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
fuck...Oprano is going down,
I can't even squeeze a decent piss out of Opranoids
;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Well, having had my ego crushed the other day by the information that I am not a player, I am obviously not a worthy opponent. Of course, I'm also not dumb enough to play high stakes poker with a guy who wants to use the deck of cards he pulls out of his pocket, either.

I would imagine you could get a good piss going if you cleared up any technical difficuties that might be blocking potential opponents.

Anyway, it's halftime during the football game, and I've got to run out for some dinner. I've got a taste for some KFC tonight.

[Lisa]

I'm not buying into this argument but I just wanted to say...

In my life, there are varying levels of friends. Acquaintances are those that I've met, but haven't really talked to at any great length. HOPEFULLY those acquaintances become friends later. Like Lisa with PMB. We've met before, but never chatted. We spent some time together in FL and now I consider her a GOOD friend. :)

Aww shucks Peaches, and ditto. :)

P.S I promise to bring more TimTams next time. :awinky:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Lisa@Aug 18 2003, 09:20 PM
P.S I promise to bring more TimTams next time. :awinky:
NO MORE TIM TAMS!! (until I lose 40 pounds. :awinky: ) The kid actually helped me eat a couple....BEHIND MY BACK and before I threatened to kill him. :okthumb:

[ulfie]

Yeah, those TimTams are awefully good. CJ gave me a box last year and I took them out and gave them to my mom. Well, I ate a few as well. She's been bugging me to get more ever since. May have to go to Australia just to buy cookies. ;)

As far as the Serge vs Dravyk smackdown battle, I've heard Dravyk's side of the story and yes there is a little more to the story. Then again, there are always 3 sides to every story so I have no idea what the truth really is. It's really none of my business though so I'll stay out of it thank you.

[Lisa]

Well Ulfie, looks like you can steal the TimTams from your wife since she doesn't want them. ;)

If she decides to get mean and keep them all for herself let me know and I'll bring you your own supply. :)

[cj]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

tim tams have certainly created many international friendships for us aussies

peaches did you know there's a factory in los angeles?!

lots of new varieties out in the last 18 months

mmmmmmm dark chocolate
http://store4.yimg.com/I/souveniroutpost_1741_4143004

mmmmm caramel
http://store4.yimg.com/I/souveniroutpost_1741_4127548

mmmm double coat
http://store4.yimg.com/I/souveniroutpost_1741_4111961

:biglaugh:

[Peaches]

OOooh! The caramel ones look yummy! I'm not a big dark chocolate fan - give me creamy milk chocolate and I'm a happy camper. :P

You really find out how crappy American chocolate is when you taste it from almost EVERYWHERE else and it's so much better than ours is, lol!

[Lisa]

Makes note:

Caramel TimTams for Peaches :)

Ulfie, don't worry I'll bring you your own...she's not gonna share the caramel ones, guarantee it. :)

[cj]

Aussie in America (http://www.aussieinamerica.com/food/timtams.htm) - coping without tim tams!

some useless but interesting extracts:

"Marketing by stealth isn't the only tactic employed in relation to Tim Tams. They have also been associated with the double entendre, such as "Ten reasons why a Tim Tam is better than a man", and "Two and a half inches has never been so satisfying". These people are well aware the major devourers of Tim Tams are women. Perhaps the name "Double Trouble" is not so far off the mark. Arnott's has also reported that most Tim Tams are eaten in the privacy of the home, and forty percent of customers admit to hiding their purchase of Tim Tams from friends and family."


"You can buy Tim Tams online, including at the web site of my sponsor Simply Australian<here ya go ulfie! http://www.simplyoz.com/products/aussie_fo...ts/tim_tams> (http://www.simplyoz.com/products/aussie_food/biscuits/tim_tams>). Through the Arnott's web site you do have to buy in bulk. But hey, when were 20 packets of Tim Tams too many? In fact, according to Arnott's:

Around 30 million packs of Australia's bestselling chockie bikkies are sold each year - that's nearly 300 million biscuits, or two packets for every Australian.

On a per capita basis, they are the world's biggest-selling chocolate biscuits.
"

[ulfie]

Originally posted by Lisa@Aug 18 2003, 08:40 PM
Well Ulfie, looks like you can steal the TimTams from your wife since she doesn't want them. ;)

If she decides to get mean and keep them all for herself let me know and I'll bring you your own supply. :)
Peaches, send me the timtams. I'm just trying to keep you fit.

Lisa, I had a great time hanging out with you and Peaches. It's nice to be around people my own age for a change. Really enjoyed it. Probably the best show for me ever as far as networking went. :)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by ulfie@Aug 18 2003, 09:55 PM
Peaches, send me the timtams. I'm just trying to keep you fit.
Hehehe - I got home around 9 Sunday night. I'm pretty sure none were left by noon Monday. B)

It's nice to be around people my own age for a change.

That would just be Lisa - I'm the old broad: same age as Danny and Gonzo. :awinky:

[ulfie]

5 years isn't much at our age. :D

[Lisa]

Ulfie, I really enjoyed hanging with you too. I'm much the same ya know...can't take all the dickheads anymore. Still enjoy a bit of a party atmosphere, but REALLY like it when I can get some decent conversation. Of course spending the majority of my time with 3 kidlets probably contributes to that. ;)

[ulfie]

Originally posted by Lisa@Aug 18 2003, 09:12 PM
Ulfie, I really enjoyed hanging with you too. I'm much the same ya know...can't take all the dickheads anymore. Still enjoy a bit of a party atmosphere, but REALLY like it when I can get some decent conversation. Of course spending the majority of my time with 3 kidlets probably contributes to that. ;)
We didn't get married in Florida did we? That happened last time I went to a show and I didn't even know about it until I got home. I could be facing some legal problems if we did. :ph34r:

[Lisa]

Hmm, no I don't think so. But I believe DantheMan proposed to your wife. So SHE may be in trouble if she followed thru with it. :)

[kath]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 18 2003, 04:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 18 2003, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Aug 18 2003, 07:36 PM


Perhaps Shakespeare.

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
fuck...Oprano is going down,
I can't even squeeze a decent piss out of Opranoids
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Oprano is NOT going down... I see it as a sign of "maturity" - some boards will piss about ANYTHING - the weather, some guy's sig line, the "tone of voice" in a post from someone they don't know... lol IMHO that's not real "piss" as we know it from "back in the day" - it's the watered down toilet-water version that nobody could truly "enjoy".

I think that if there was a GOOD reason to piss, Opranauts would still come out on TOP!

:bdance: :bdance: :bdance:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Lisa@Aug 19 2003, 03:28 AM
Hmm, no I don't think so. But I believe DantheMan proposed to your wife. So SHE may be in trouble if she followed thru with it. :)
Dantheman was a silent partner in all this - I merely married him w/o his knowledge when I bought him dinner. It's a bad habit of mine. :rolleyes:

(I bet Gonzo will now refuse to let me buy him the meal I owe him.... :awinky: )

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 18 2003, 04:02 AM

Dig is lickin' his wounds after Voodoo left him

==============







Voodoo is missed here. He is a hard worker. I miss my little buddy! Dig has made himself feel better buying a new Lexus and meeting a new girlfriend.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches+Aug 19 2003, 04:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Aug 19 2003, 04:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Lisa@Aug 19 2003, 03:28 AM
Hmm, no I don't think so. But I believe DantheMan proposed to your wife. So SHE may be in trouble if she followed thru with it. :)
Dantheman was a silent partner in all this - I merely married him w/o his knowledge when I bought him dinner. It's a bad habit of mine. :rolleyes:

(I bet Gonzo will now refuse to let me buy him the meal I owe him.... :awinky: )[/b][/quote]
As we were discussing last night on the phone...

I dont shy away from too many meals. Besides Ive hired 2 and fired 2 and let some temp work go recently. So Peaches Ill bring you a coke can [not the kind Brad talks about] pop top and you can have visions of being hooked up. I can endear a nice dinner at Morton's while you admire that "ring"....about the time the Godiva cake comes out Ill start breaking it off so you can catch that check before its over.

Besides...I can almost run back to the data center from the one downtown.

And since 6 1/2 racks are empty cuz we got rid of our non paying spamming buddies...[FUCK YOU GOLDSTEINS!] I wont run into any gear outside my office.

[DannyCox]

Originally posted by confucy@Aug 17 2003, 05:27 PM
Yeah, I miss Dravyk. I miss Dig, ScottPB (don't tell him), Charles Carreon, Robin (didn't have time to get to know him), the fishman who swears he is Cohen's friend), and sometimes I miss the old un-threaded board.
Who here remembers ScottPB throwing up in the elevator at the Clarion in Orlando back in '97? That just hit me when I saw his name :hic:

I think he got in a fight with someone that evening too?? Don't fully remember...

Danny

[DaveAFX]

I can't even squeeze a decent piss out of Opranoids



Too many nice people?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by DaveAFX@Aug 19 2003, 02:56 PM
I can't even squeeze a decent piss out of Opranoids



Too many nice people?
I think so....somehow scumbags don't put roots arouns here,
the wrong environment for them,
no fertile soil
;-))))

[DaveAFX]

no fertile soil

Need to get more "calories" into the food chain...
Too many skinny newbies?

[Forest]

Originally posted by DaveAFX@Aug 19 2003, 05:01 PM
no fertile soil

Need to get more "calories" into the food chain...
Too many skinny newbies?
times are tough

[slavdogg]

Hey Serge why did you ban Dravyk from Opranoi ??

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Aug 19 2003, 11:27 PM
Hey Serge why did you ban Dravyk from Opranoi ??
I unbanned him,
passwd: Electra (he can change it)

let him know.

anymore questions?

it's easier to unban him than go thru all the shit which took place

[gonzo]

Originally posted by DaveAFX@Aug 19 2003, 02:01 PM
no fertile soil

Need to get more "calories" into the food chain...
Too many skinny newbies?
Send em down South...we can show em how to eat and put some lbs on em.

[DaveAFX]

Send em down South...we can show em how to eat and put some lbs on em.


Yeah, "meat and three" plus a hunk of banana pudding. No place to get that anywhere here in Boca. I have to eat twice as much sushi to stay fat. No sweet tea either.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 20 2003, 05:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 20 2003, 05:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--slavdogg@Aug 19 2003, 11:27 PM
Hey Serge why did you ban Dravyk from Opranoi ??
I unbanned him,
passwd: Electra (he can change it)

let him know.

anymore questions?

it's easier to unban him than go thru all the shit which took place[/b][/quote]
now....that is good..... Stir the curiosity.... Try to stir the piss.... Then do what you were planning to do anyway...... and leave us all hanging wondering what it was originally about to begin with....

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw: :wnw: :nyanya:



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[PornoDoggy]

This whole thing seems like a pretty simple straightforward dispute between a couple of resource sites over the normal thing that resource sites get into disputes about.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 20 2003, 08:52 PM
This whole thing seems like a pretty simple straightforward dispute between a couple of resource sites over the normal thing that resource sites get into disputes about.
Thanx for clarifying that for me pd..... :blink:

[Opti]

I miss the oprano reviews... and would like to see Oprano in boardscanner.

Btw... Dravyk did something "nice" for me a couple of months ago that has directly made me money. As far as him being a fence-sitter.. he could also be called a diplomat.. and by the looks, no one seems to like him taking a stand this time anyway! ;-)

[Dravyk]

Well I will again thank those who posted good things here.

Next, I agree if someone is a constant board reader of this board, reviews would not be of much use to those. To those who read many boards, while it's impossible to capture the Oprano "flavor" in reviews (one has to read Serge's posts themselves to enjoy them fully), it has its benefits, IMHO.

All in all, as PD said, "twas much ado about nothing".

However, I will not and can not let this post go unchallenged ...

I will say it. Drav is a weenie. He has always been a weenie, and will always be a weenie. He is a fence sitter, and an ass kisser. Could this be because of his job? Maybe. But regardless, I have no respect for people who cannot stand up for the things they beleive. ( It is even worse if they do not have anything they beleive in)

I have NEVER kissed anyone's ass. EVER.

Next, Mike, not sure if you know what year this is, but just to inform you, it is 2003, not 1999. Yes I WAS a fence sitter, as you call it, during the time when I was a newbie and during the early days at Condom/Netpond as an official of that resource. At the time, being an official there, working for someone else, and that board being only one of two major boards, you didn't fuck over sponsors or try to take sides, especially when you worked there. Later when it was one of five major boards and there became more competition for advertisers, that held even more true.

And even while I was there, I remember getting called on the carpet a few times for NOT using discretion, and told to tone it down. (Or rather recall Nick screaming "what the fuck were you thinking, talking to so-so like that on the board. He's a fucking sponsor!") That's one of the many ironies in your statement, Mike.

(Another might be, I have never seen you put bitch-slap any of your advertisers listed on here, but hey, let's not ruin this post with facts or anything.)

What you call fence sitting, I call my being diplomatic. Something that you both don't know how to do and never had to worry about doing being in a different position. But, for me, that was four years ago; get with the program. Haven't sat on any fences for a long fucking time. In fact, if I was someone who didn't take stands, didn't have opinions, and kissed assed, this whole banning shit would never have come up. Duh! :-)

Personally, I think the weeniest shit I've seen in a long time was your taking shots here at a time you knew I wasn't able to respond. Now THAT is weenie, Mike.

And with that said, nice to be back to be able to say all of that.

[Billy]

Glad to see you made it back !

[HoneyBlond]

Originally posted by cj@Aug 19 2003, 09:51 AM
Quite simply ...

the world needs garbage collectors, waitresses and general shit kickers more than it needs any more leaders.

every person's place in this world is useful to me, even if for no other reason than I don't have to collect my own garbage.

IMHO anyone who takes care of things that bore me is automatically helping me and hopefully the things i do in return are as useful for someone else.

the 'dravyks' of the world are just as important as the 'serges', because if they didn't exist, the 'serges' would be very busy hunting for food



:okthumb:

Well said CJ

[HoneyBlond]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Aug 24 2003, 07:21 AM
What you call fence sitting, I call my being diplomatic.
In fact, if I was someone who didn't take stands, didn't have opinions, and kissed assed, this whole banning shit would never have come up. Duh! :-)


:lol:

Banning a Diplomatic Fence Sitter is particulally pointless
isn't it ?

:awinky:

[confucy]

Dravyk, my man! Wowzee Zow!

You are much more appealing when you say what's on your mind. Never in my life did I think you would be banned from anywhere. Didn't know you were gone from Oprano, just thought you were too busy to post on all the boards.

This news about you is making my day. According to KK, I've become a whiner. She's right. Let's kick some ass, Dravyk. We may have more in common than just being banned. :rokk: :rokk:

[Dravyk]

Thanks, Billy! :bjump:

HoneyBlonde, yeah, it would have been pointeless had that been the case, wouldn't it have? :D

Confucy, not the first time I've opened up, spoke my mind, nor gotten into a rip roaring piss. Plenty of history there across many boards over many years. Plenty of history of me getting along with folks too on boards and elsewhere. Just the normal mix.

Mike has always been a shit-stirrer. No problem. There are appealing things about that when done in moderation. I prefer getting along with folks. It's easier, it's less stressful, it's more productive. If anyone thinks that's a weakness, they are dead wrong and fucking stupid too. And I pretty much put them in place quickly.

Plus, not everything happens on the boards. I've had some nice, um, "conversations" off the boards in email, ICQ and even phone lately. :-) Anyone who knows me knows I'm not afraid of saying anything *directly* to anyone if I have need for it. Some folks can only post on boards then be wusses when you hit them up directly. (And no, Mike and Serge are not wusses there'. Nor am I.)

One of the things Mike and I do see eye to eye on is loathing keyboard warriors, those who can say something on a board, then show themselves as the wimps they are when it's direct.

Confucy, I will kick some ass in public ... when I feel that is the best way for me to get my message across. And I'll be nice publicly or kick ass privately or be nice privately ... all on a case-by-case basis, all just as I have always done. So, in that sense, nothing has changed. Just maybe a few people's misguided perceptions, and I'm sure some of those haven't changed either. But then that's their problem, so I really don't give a damn. :)

[Forest]

Originally posted by sarettah+Aug 20 2003, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Aug 20 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Aug 20 2003, 08:52 PM
This whole thing seems like a pretty simple straightforward dispute between a couple of resource sites over the normal thing that resource sites get into disputes about.
Thanx for clarifying that for me pd..... :blink:[/b][/quote]
thats what he is good at

[Forest]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Aug 23 2003, 11:09 PM

One of the things Mike and I do see eye to eye on is loathing keyboard warriors, those who can say something on a board, then show themselves as the wimps they are when it's direct.


Hmmm
we have a few of those on here dont we?

(see sig)

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Forest+Aug 24 2003, 08:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Forest @ Aug 24 2003, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -sarettah@Aug 20 2003, 10:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Aug 20 2003, 08:52 PM
This whole thing seems like a pretty simple straightforward dispute between a couple of resource sites over the normal thing that resource sites get into disputes about.
Thanx for clarifying that for me pd..... :blink:
thats what he is good at[/b][/quote]
Hey ... FYI (and as if you didn't know), at the time that I posted my response the last guy who attempted to explain the scenario began experiencing "technical difficulties" immediately that were only recently cleared up.

Besides, I figure sarettah could piece it together with a little bit of thought. Kind boils down to the a variation of the old Chinese laundryman maxim, "No Linkee, no Laundry."